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enhanced_deficit
06-27-2018, 06:56 AM
Will the titanic NY election upset yesterday do longterm damage to neocon movement in NY/US?

Or this is short term symbolic blip and such "anti-establishment" candidates can be easily purchased by neocons/war crimes lobbies etc (as happened in case of "anti war" Barack Hussein Obama who was early on dubbed as "Iraq war punishment candidate")?


4 major lessons from Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's titanic upset in New York

Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large
Wed June 27, 2018


https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/180626221928-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-headshot-exlarge-169.jpg


(CNN)At first glance, the upset victory scored by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez over 10-term Rep. Joe Crowley (https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/26/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-joe-crowley-new-york-14-primary/index.html) in New York's 14th District Democratic primary is no big deal for Democrats' chances of flipping the House in November. After all, the Bronx and Queens seat is overwhelmingly Democratic and has zero effect on Democrats' fight for the majority.

But that first glance is very, very deceiving. This isn't just about a single House race. This is about the struggle for the future of the Democratic Party -- both in New York and nationally. This is about the kind of candidate Democratic voters want. This is about the kind of leaders the Democratic Party will have after 2018.
In short: Ocasio-Cortez's victory is about a whole hell of a lot more than just a single strongly Democratic House seat. Below, four major lessons Democrats should take from her win -- the primary upset of the 2018 cycle to date.

1. The Democratic base is sick of the establishment

Donald Trump's hostile takeover of the Republican Party in 2016 -- and the establishment's acquiescence to him in 2017 and 2018 -- put a massive spotlight on the divide between the GOP party leadership and the Republican base.
Meanwhile, overlooked amid the Trump furor, Democrats have been in the early stages of a civil war of their own -- between pragmatic establishment types and liberals infuriated with the Trump presidency.
That Crowley, the heir apparent to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, of California, could lose a primary to a 28-year-old, politically unknown and woefully underfunded Democratic Socialist speaks volumes about where the energy in the party is right now.
All you need to do is watch the two-minute bio video Ocasio-Cortez put out (https://t.co/A9Tjq3otKy) to understand a) where the party is right now and b) how terrifying that should be to the party establishment.

2. Politics punishes people who get ahead of themselves

3. House Democrats need some younger blood

4. Women rule

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/26/politics/joe-crowley-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-new-york-upset/index.html


CNN commentary not all objective but probably would sell well to democratic bases.




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Good riddance.
Shame on Dems that it took them 15 years to vote out a politician who had voted for the biggest blunder in US history (Iraqi Freedom War) even if he was a champion of our closest ally & only non-racist democracy in mideast.

Wonder how much role voters' disgust with recent massacre of civilians in open air camp (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?522238-US-embassy-in-Jerusalem-opens-Mon-Ivanka-arrives-Bachmann-apologizes-for-Jews-conversion-rem&p=6628676&viewfull=1#post6628676) in mideast with US tax payers funded weapons played in this election upset.


Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the insurgent firebrand who Tuesday toppled the No. 4 Democrat in the House of Representatives, is a strong critic of Israel who denounced the killings of Palestinian protesters as a “massacre.”

June 26, 2018 By Dave Goldiner



This is a massacre.

I hope my peers have the moral courage to call it such.

No state or entity is absolved of mass shootings of protesters. There is no justification. Palestinian people deserve basic human dignity, as anyone else.

Democrats can’t be silent about this anymore. https://t.co/wJGATOtDsR— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@Ocasio2018) May 14, 2018 (https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/996009689312825344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)



Ocasio-Cortez, 28, stunned the political world by decisively beating Joe Crowley, a Queens powerbroker who had been mentioned as a possible future candidate for Speaker of the House.
With about 90% of precincts reporting, Ocasio-Cortez was ahead by 58%-to-42%, making Crowley the first incumbent Democrat to lose his seat this year.

“Especially in New York people say this is political suicide,” Ocasio-Cortez told Glenn Greenwald of the Intercept, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuoKLLLpiuE) referring to her criticism of Israel. “But I had a lot of my constituents thanking me for taking that position. I had a lot of Jewish Americans who thanked me.”

https://forward.com/fast-forward/404159/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-democrat-joe-crowley-israel/

AuH20
06-27-2018, 06:59 AM
Neocons are open border advocates as well, so not so much.

enhanced_deficit
06-27-2018, 07:05 AM
That seems to be true.
Ahead of/during Iraqi freedom war project, then GOP base savior W Bush had left soutern border pretty open and there were numerous 'fast track' processing incentives for people coming through that border/from elsewhere who went to join Iraqi freedom war.

shakey1
06-27-2018, 07:06 AM
Only if she don't get bought, as so often happens.

nobody's_hero
06-27-2018, 07:58 AM
Only if she don't get bought, as so often happens.

She might not be bought. But she'll be buying a lot with other people's money judging by the platform she's spouting.

timosman
06-27-2018, 08:58 AM
She might not be bought. But she'll be buying a lot with other people's money judging by the platform she's spouting.

Hope and change?:cool:

Swordsmyth
06-27-2018, 01:06 PM
The damage will come from exposing their extremism with such candidates.

Ender
06-27-2018, 01:28 PM
Well. at least I can stand to look at her. ;)

enhanced_deficit
06-27-2018, 02:47 PM
To be fair, she is 28.


She might not be bought. But she'll be buying a lot with other people's money judging by the platform she's spouting.

Ideally there should be freedoms/free trades with no socialism, no protectionism, tariffs etc.
But if it has to be, domestic socialism is far batter with far less blowback risks than $6Trillion global socialism of Iraq war that the guy she replaced supported. On the surface, appears to be major improvement compared to the Crowley dude she defeated.

RonZeplin
06-27-2018, 03:39 PM
Yes, the Pelosi, Trump, Schulmer, Graham globalist neocon establishment will suffer long-term damage for the foreseeable future.

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/K_SI6MSjCb5N1yAJbL.iVw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAw/http://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/354dbadd27194dfdb2fffea54591784e

Jamesiv1
06-27-2018, 03:40 PM
she's pretty hawt

nobody's_hero
06-27-2018, 04:25 PM
To be fair, she is 28.



Ideally there should be freedoms/free trades with no socialism, no protectionism, tariffs etc.
But if it has to be, domestic socialism is far batter with far less blowback risks than $6Trillion global socialism of Iraq war that the guy she replaced supported. On the surface, appears to be major improvement compared to the Crowley dude she defeated.

Oh definitely looking forward to having someone else against neocon foreign policy in the House. But, 99% of her platform is "free unicorn rides." Good luck to her though. She won a primary with about 15,000 votes. I wish it were that easy to get a liberty candidate on the ballot of a major party in a city as big as New York.

Brian4Liberty
06-27-2018, 04:30 PM
Neocons are open border advocates as well, so not so much.

Yep. She is still on the Trotsky tract...


Will the titanic NY election upset yesterday do longterm damage to neocon movement in NY/US?

Neoconservativism is much more nuanced than simply following the dictates of the Likud Party.

- She is a Marxist. Classic neocon.
- She is a statist. Neocon position.
- She is a globalist. Neocon position.
- She is a cultural Marxist. Neocon position.
- Will she want to use the US military in foreign lands? Maybe. Probably. That would keep the MIC lobby happy, and be consistent with neocon dogma. We shall see.
- Will she completely agree with everything that comes from the Likud Party? Probably not. That is her biggest departure from current day US neoconservatism. Does that mean she is anti-Israel? No. Am I sounding like Rumsfeld? I better stop answering my own questions...

angelatc
06-27-2018, 04:49 PM
The damage will come from exposing their extremism with such candidates.

Her vocal criticisms of Israel might be enough to get a GOP seated there. Granted, the GOP in NY is liberal as all get out, but it would be fun to watch.

Brian4Liberty
06-27-2018, 05:09 PM
What is her stance on Assad/Syria? Putin/Russia? Iran?

euphemia
06-27-2018, 05:12 PM
This is not her victory. It’s Crowley’s loss.

Anti Globalist
06-27-2018, 05:14 PM
she's pretty hawt
Not as hawt as Tulsi Gabbard.

Jamesiv1
06-27-2018, 05:37 PM
Not as hawt as Tulsi Gabbard.
Agreed. Tulsi is double-hawt. I love it when in interviews she occasionally let's her guard down and slips into a little surfer jive.

nikcers
06-27-2018, 05:39 PM
The neocons are allied with the progressive movement on every single issue they really care about so I guess it depends on your definition of losing.

dannno
06-27-2018, 05:52 PM
Agreed. Tulsi is double-hawt. I love it when in interviews she occasionally let's her guard down and slips into a little surfer jive.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPo2RMHgSKQ

oyarde
06-27-2018, 05:53 PM
I voted no . I have not been wrong since the 1960's I think so that should settle it .

Anti Globalist
06-27-2018, 05:55 PM
I was shocked when I heard she was only 28. Do you have to be a certain age to run for congress and does it vary from state to state?

devil21
06-27-2018, 09:02 PM
If you think a socialist is in any way an opponent of neocons, you don't know a whole lot. Neocons are socialists, perhaps communists even.

oyarde
06-27-2018, 09:30 PM
I was shocked when I heard she was only 28. Do you have to be a certain age to run for congress and does it vary from state to state?

For the house ( federal ) , minimum 25 yrs old and a citizen for 7. Indiana Mayor and Sec of State requirements are age 18 . None for Indiana Attorney General , Gov and Lt Gov are 30, Indiana House 21 , Senate 25 . Article 12 in Indiana Constitution states everyone over 17 is subject to serve in the state Militia . Conscientious Objectors will serve but do not have to bear arms .

Jamesiv1
06-27-2018, 09:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPo2RMHgSKQ
awesome lol

Sean Penn's finest moment.

specsaregood
06-27-2018, 09:47 PM
Oh definitely looking forward to having someone else against neocon foreign policy in the House.

So much for that idea:
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oyarde
06-27-2018, 10:02 PM
she's pretty hawt

If you look closely at her eyes you can see the brain damage . This causes devotion to the religion of marx . Dannno calls this fetal alcohol syndrome or something but he is not really a Medicine Man . I just call them commies .

Anti Federalist
06-27-2018, 10:19 PM
4. Women rule

That they do.

You want more government, more regulation, more taxation...woemen rule.

Swordsmyth
06-27-2018, 10:24 PM
That they do.

You want more government, more regulation, more taxation...woemen rule.

Isaiah 3:12

“As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.”

King James Version (KJV)

nikcers
06-27-2018, 11:54 PM
If you think a socialist is in any way an opponent of neocons, you don't know a whole lot. Neocons are socialists, perhaps communists even.

Thats the joke its pretty obvious the neoliberals are hijacking the progressive movement. There is no ideological progressive movement just neoliberals and neocons running partisan mind games on useful idiots. This is why they are cracking down on the elections even more with Russiagate. They are working on all communications, I don't think that anyone can stop an idea who's time has come but they won't go without a fight, the revolution will not be televised.

dannno
06-27-2018, 11:57 PM
If you look closely at her eyes you can see the brain damage . This causes devotion to the religion of marx . Dannno calls this fetal alcohol syndrome or something but he is not really a Medicine Man . I just call them commies .

It's the thin upper lip that often signifies fetal alcohol syndrome, I didn't notice but you're correct.


https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/180626221928-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-headshot-exlarge-169.jpg

shakey1
06-28-2018, 06:59 AM
Not as hawt as Tulsi Gabbard.

I concur.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/VerifiableUnhappyAmericancicada-max-1mb.gif

AuH20
06-28-2018, 05:39 PM
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