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hawkeyenick
12-12-2007, 01:59 PM
Luntz "group" went to 0% when he said he would bring the troops home...you know it's rigged just by that!

risiusj
12-12-2007, 02:00 PM
I'm not watching on Fox, but I wouldn't doubt the handpicked group is all pro-war.

LibertyRevolution
12-12-2007, 02:00 PM
was off the chart low -1? wow they hate paul.

azminuteman
12-12-2007, 02:00 PM
Romney brought in $150,000 from Iowa
Paul $41,000

If that's the case, Romney should bring in $60,000,000 for the quarter.

Ayse
12-12-2007, 02:01 PM
It went into the negatives...Paul must really be popular if they're trying to shaft him with the "meter".

jenninlouisiana
12-12-2007, 02:02 PM
Why are you watching Fox? You know Rupert Murdoch is a HUGE Clinton supporter.

Do yourself a favor and switch over to CNN.

conner_condor
12-12-2007, 02:09 PM
I believe from what I seen so far. These people really like Ron Paul. They are being nice to him and she has thanked him more than any other candidate so far.

Jobarra
12-12-2007, 02:10 PM
LOL, if it went NEGATIVE, the graph is rigged. It's a zero based graph isn't it?

azminuteman
12-12-2007, 02:13 PM
IT's not on CNN where I live

coffeewithchess
12-12-2007, 02:14 PM
Lol, the people that "BOOO!" or go negative when Paul says "Bring the troops home" are absolutely stupid! They are basically "Booing" because they want the troops to stay in Iraq? These people make no sense...to me anyway!

JPFromTally
12-12-2007, 02:23 PM
Bring the troops home: BOOOOO!
15 month deployments: YAI!!!!!!

CountryboyRonPaul
12-12-2007, 02:24 PM
That graph is BS.

It starts dropping before Ron Paul even begins his answer, yet McCain was asked a question and it rose to 7 or 8 when he started off with "I don't know what I would do"


The people taking this poll must be the most loyal FOX viewers they can find.

Ninja Homer
12-12-2007, 02:36 PM
Luntz "group" went to 0% when he said he would bring the troops home...you know it's rigged just by that!

It's definitely rigged. A poll of Iowa Republicans said that 50% want the troops home immediately. This is DEFINITELY a hand-picked group of pro-war neocons.

FU Frank!

osofaux
12-12-2007, 05:20 PM
Farque You Frank!

Bossobass
12-12-2007, 05:27 PM
Luntz got his 21 from the lunchroom at Blackwater.

Bosso

JosephTheLibertarian
12-12-2007, 05:28 PM
Luntz "group" went to 0% when he said he would bring the troops home...you know it's rigged just by that!

they're instructed to dial down when Ron Paul speaks and many (if not all) focus group members are HARDCORE neo cons that already support a candidate.

MrCobaltBlue
12-12-2007, 05:38 PM
Luntz went into Iowa to pick 21 hardcore rednecks. And it only took him 30 seconds to do so.

steph3n
12-12-2007, 05:40 PM
Luntz went into Iowa to pick 21 hardcore rednecks. And it only took him 30 seconds to do so.

CNN had similar dials on 21 people and it went to about 50%

CurtisLow
12-12-2007, 05:42 PM
Lol, the people that "BOOO!" or go negative when Paul says "Bring the troops home" are absolutely stupid! They are basically "Booing" because they want the troops to stay in Iraq? These people make no sense...to me anyway!

Must be a setup audience.. Every other time RP said that there was cheer!

Why can't we have a fair debate? It should be a crime for the people that rig these debates. :mad:

fluoridatedbrainsoup
12-12-2007, 06:34 PM
For those who didn't see it on the brain spike:

Wolf asked Ron to take a quick look at the real-time approval survey of 21 undecided republicans that voted last election cycle. Then they split the screen so that the graph took up about 2/3 of the screen with Ron saying bring the troops home in the other. Graph plummeting.. then below all that a cnn poll appeared which had Paul at 2%, Romney at 25, Huckabee at 23. Then Wolf asked Paul what he thought about all that, he responded that that was a rather narrow view and reiterated his position on foreign policy.

They fully use those chyrons and polls to control people. Even if you are concentrating as hard as you can on what Paul is saying, subconsciously you are being literally barraged with negativity, which you then associate with Ron Paul. That's the idea anyway.

Energy
12-12-2007, 06:47 PM
UNbelievable. The establishment definitely knows what they're doing and they're damn good with these propaganda tactics. They're fearless on pushing the envelope... polls, real-time graphs of 21 people (WTF?!!) and people fall for it, subconsciously or otherwise.

therealjjj77
12-12-2007, 10:01 PM
I believe from what I seen so far. These people really like Ron Paul. They are being nice to him and she has thanked him more than any other candidate so far.

I heard the inside scoop on this. The Des Moines Register really does not like the Republican party. They would like to stick it to the GOP. For the last couple weeks they have been featuring each of the candidates in their Sunday paper and Ron Paul was excluded from this. Well, one of the people in the official campaign sat down and had lunch with this lady and basically very politely told her the best way they could stick it to the GOP. So now it seems they absolutely love Ron Paul. At least that is what I heard.

Goldwater Conservative
12-12-2007, 10:43 PM
Assuming this is even a representative sample of the GOP caucus population, what's the margin of error for a sample size of 21?

reaver
12-12-2007, 10:50 PM
Assuming this is even a representative sample of the GOP caucus population, what's the margin of error for a sample size of 21?

i would go around 90%.
The charts had to be fixed. Giuliani went above ten and Paul went below 0. Neither of these cases should have occured.