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enhanced_deficit
06-19-2018, 09:30 PM
There is also no proof that yesterday's new China tariffs were announced because NK's supreme leader KJU visited China instead of calling Trump following their historic summit, although possible these were also meant to send a message to NK/China to not play Trump.
Incidentally Dennis Rodman is being treated as a rock star when he was hosted by MSNBC's Megyn Kelly today.


The past 24 hours in startling North Korea news, explained


The US made a big military concession, and Kim made a dramatic diplomatic trip to China — again.

By Alex Ward Jun 19, 2018, 12:00pm EDT

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Xt343DZEyqMinn88h7DwJKXq9hI=/0x0:4000x2667/1200x800/filters:focal%282236x918:2876x1558%29/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/60109815/971886868.jpg.0.jpg North Korean leader Kim Jong Un just had a great 24 hours.


President Donald Trump continues to tout the success of his North Korea summit last week — but it’s Kim Jong Un who’s taking the real victory lap.
On Tuesday morning, the North Korean leader made his third trip to China (https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/18/asia/kim-jong-un-china-intl/index.html) in as many months to meet with President Xi Jinping. Xi used the opportunity to praise Kim and say (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/kim-jong-un-makes-third-visit-to-china/2018/06/18/671e4e48-7368-11e8-be2f-d40578877b7b_story.html?utm_term=.6efd2410aa62) that the summit was an “important step toward the political solution of the Korean Peninsula nuclear issue.”
And just the night before, the Pentagon announced that it would cancel a key military exercise with South Korea (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/19/pentagon-cancels-freedom-guardian-military-drill-with-south-korea) in August. That’s a big deal since that’s a significant concession the North Koreans have wanted for a long time. After all, they see these exercises as prep for an invasion and have protested against them every time they occur.
So in just the past 24 hours, it seems that the relationship between Washington and Seoul took a slight hit while Beijing-Pyongyang ties got a little stronger. This may all be in service of a potential deal to curb North Korea’s nuclear weapons program — but until that happens, it sure does look like Kim is making out like a bandit from the summit.

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/19/17478528/trump-north-korea-kim-china-military-freedom-guardian



How Donald Trump Got Played By a Ruthless Dictator

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/trump-north-korea-meeting-results-w521438

Swordsmyth
06-19-2018, 09:34 PM
Please stop reading this kind of nonsense, it isn't good for your brain.

The new tariffs show that Trump doesn't need China to help with N Korea anymore.

enhanced_deficit
06-19-2018, 09:41 PM
The new tariffs show that Trump doesn't need China to help with N Korea anymore.

While true that media has its biases, but if China continued to open borders/increase trade with NK before sanctions are lifted, that won't impact NK's motivation to give up its nukes - the key objective of Kim-Trump historic summit?

Swordsmyth
06-19-2018, 09:42 PM
While true that media has its biases, but if China continued to open borders/increase trade with NK before sanctions are lifted, that won't impact NK's motivation to give up its nukes - the key objective of Kim-Trump historic summit?

Maybe Trump doesn't need their help with the stick now that he has sold Kim on the carrot.

enhanced_deficit
06-19-2018, 09:48 PM
Maybe Trump doesn't need their help with the stick now that he has sold Kim on the carrot.

That is optimistic and hopefully he's sold but we don't know that for sure. NK's dictators are known to lie.

Then there is history like this:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?522116-Historic-American-Trump-and-Korean-Kim-Jong-Un-to-meet-on-June-12-in-Singapore&p=6641911&viewfull=1#post6641911

Swordsmyth
06-19-2018, 09:52 PM
That is optimistic and hopefully he's sold but we don't know that for sure. NK's dictators are known to lie.

Then there is history like this:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?522116-Historic-American-Trump-and-Korean-Kim-Jong-Un-to-meet-on-June-12-in-Singapore&p=6641911&viewfull=1#post6641911

North Korea reportedly offered to abandon a key weapon — and it has nothing to do with nukes (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?523330-North-Korea-reportedly-offered-to-abandon-a-key-weapon-—-and-it-has-nothing-to-do-with-nukes)

RonZeplin
06-19-2018, 11:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKZqzMbMheY

enhanced_deficit
06-30-2018, 01:44 PM
Let's not rush to assumptions and wait till all the facts come out:



North Korea believed to be 'deceiving' US, increasing nuclear production: report

By Kathleen Joyce | Fox News http://a57.foxnews.com/media2.foxnews.com/BrightCove/694940094001/2018/06/25/896/504/694940094001_5801543788001_5801550165001-vs.jpg?ve=1&tl=1 (http://video.foxnews.com/v/5801550165001/us-expected-to-present-north-korea-denuclearization-timeline)

U.S. intelligence officials believe North Korea has been “deceiving” the U.S., saying the Hermit Kingdom was bolstering production for nuclear weapons at “multiple secret sites” in the past few months, a report stated.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/30/north-korea-believed-to-be-deceiving-us-increasing-nuclear-production-report.html

enhanced_deficit
07-07-2018, 09:29 AM
This sharp change in tone is bit concerning:

North Korea Slams `Cancerous' U.S. Demands at Nuclear Talks By Nick Wadhams
July 7, 2018, 6:41 AM EDT Updated on July 7, 2018, 10:44 AM EDT


Foreign ministry statement comes hours after Pompeo departs

Secretary of state said negotiations done in ‘good faith’

https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/icROEo2ldxUs/v1/800x-1.jpg

Mike Pompeo speaks to members of the media following meetings in Pyongyang on July 7.
Photographer: Andrew Harnik/AFP via Getty Images
The U.S. and North Korea sharply diverged after two days of talks, with Pyongyang terming the U.S. position on denuclearization during meetings with Mike Pompeo “extremely regrettable,” hours after the secretary of state cited progress on central issues.
A North Korean Foreign Ministry spokesman, in a statement reported by the state media outlet Korea Central News Agency, said Pompeo had put forward the same “cancerous” demands that past administrations had sought.
Trust between the two sides was now at a “dangerous stage” that could lead the country to falter in its commitment to give up nuclear weapons, KCNA said -- adding that North Korea still trusts President Donald Trump.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-07/pompeo-says-u-s-north-korea-weighed-denuclearization-timeline


Still this veridct few weeks ago by RS seemed premature & bit pessimistic.

How Donald Trump Got Played By a Ruthless Dictator

North Korea's Kim Jong-un got everything he wanted. What did Trump get?
https://img.wennermedia.com/article-leads-horizontal/gettyimages-971888078-8812b880-7372-4676-94b2-9a8b16ff355c.jpg SAUL LOEB/AFP/Getty Images


https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...esults-w521438 (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/trump-north-korea-meeting-results-w521438)





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New York Magazine Apr 29, 2018


North Korea cites Muammar Gaddafi's 'destruction' in nuclear test defence

Pyongyang says the fates of the late Libyan leader and Saddam Hussein show the need for a nuclear deterrent

https://secure.i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03545/koreancelebrate_3545044b.jpg North Koreans celebrate the nuclear test in Pyongyang's Kim Il-sung square on Friday. Photo: Reuters

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...t-defence.html

(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/12090658/North-Korea-cites-Muammar-Gaddafis-destruction-in-nuclear-test-defence.html)

https://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.14326006.1506906425%21/httpImage/image.jpeg_gen/derivatives/landscape_768/image.jpeg



Obama 'grateful' for release of Bae and Miller by North Korea
08 Nov 2014
US President Barack Obama has welcomed the release of two American men detained in North Korea.
Matthew Todd Miller, 24, and Kenneth Bae, 46, had been sentenced to hard labour by the secretive state.
The president said he was "grateful" for the outcome and praised the work of the Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, in securing their release.
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-...by-north-korea (http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-29970269/obama-grateful-for-release-of-bae-and-miller-by-north-korea)




August 23, 2015 / 3 years ago
North, South Korea hold marathon talks in bid to end standoff
SEOUL (Reuters) - Top aides to the leaders of North and South Korea negotiated overnight and into Monday morning in a marathon bid to try to ease tensions...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-n...0QR02D20150823 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-southkorea/north-south-korea-hold-marathon-talks-in-bid-to-end-standoff-idUSKCN0QR02D20150823)




https://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/b2eabbb/2147483647/thumbnail/640x420/quality/85/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.beam.usnews.com%2F3f%2F4f% 2F10807c7943ebabdbd0dcc60fbb07%2Fresizes%2F1500%2F 161031-clintonnork-editorial.jpg



https://cdnph.upi.com/svc/sv/upi/5921526932661/2018/1/da8557996c9c6d6008e1ba89242c20bb/Trump-administration-releases-North-Korea-summit-coin.jpg

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/misc/poll_posticon.gif Poll: Will North Korea's Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un win Nobel Peace Prize? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?522565-Will-North-Korea-s-Supreme-Leader-Kim-Jong-Un-win-Nobel-Peace-Prize&)


Foxnews owner's paper mocks Trump-Kim Summit

https://crooksandliars.com/files/imagecache/node_primary/primary_image/18/05/dehyk-lx4aeaez8.jpg (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?522859-Media-continues-to-lie-amp-call-Trump-racist-even-when-he-publicly-supports-interracial-romances&p=6636637&viewfull=1#post6636637)

White House: North Korea 'stood us up'
By Jamie Tarabay, CNN
Fri May 25, 2018
Last week, the White House sent its deputy chief of staff and his advance team to the city state, the official said. "The North Koreans never showed up. The North Koreans didn't tell us anything. They simply stood us up."
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/25/polit...ntl/index.html
(https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/25/politics/north-korea-trump-summit-singapore-intl/index.html)
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/cO5r2phn_opiBLBuifvjvg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAw/http://media.zenfs.com/en-US/homerun/inquisitr_395/17b27afc0d8d07f0eff3555bc055b62e
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Swordsmyth
07-07-2018, 02:18 PM
In the statement released hours after Pompeo departed Tokyo after meeting with Kim Yong Chol, a senior aide to North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, a North Korean Foreign Ministry spokesman accused the US is trying to unilaterally pressure Pyongyang into abandoning its nuclear weapons by insisting on unilateral complete, verifiable and irreversible denuclearisation (CVID), and said trust between countries is in a "dangerous stage", while adding that North Korea still trusts President Donald Trump.

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-07/north-korea-slams-extremely-troubling-us-attitude-says-resolve-denuclearization-may

enhanced_deficit
07-07-2018, 03:08 PM
In the statement released hours after Pompeo departed Tokyo after meeting with Kim Yong Chol, a senior aide to North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, a North Korean Foreign Ministry spokesman accused the US is trying to unilaterally pressure Pyongyang into abandoning its nuclear weapons by insisting on unilateral complete, verifiable and irreversible denuclearisation (CVID), and said trust between countries is in a "dangerous stage", while adding that North Korea still trusts President Donald Trump.


In reality, they probably only trust Dennis Rodman.

While there is no proof that they are using TV comedy show Office negotiation tactic #14 (massage opponent's ego before stabbing them) or they have read 'art of the dealer' but to be fair Trump also praised China's Prez has a 'great man' and 'a friend' just before he unleashed massive tariffs that have caused China's markets to fall by almost 30% so far.

Do you think NK's is atacking Trump's Sec of State while massaging his ego to 'divide and conquer' or is implying that Sec of State Pompeo is a rogue agent acting against Trump's direction?

Following similar 'gangster' like terms used by NK/China media were orchestrated or random coincidence?

China's State Paper calls Trump administration 'gang of hoodlums'
(in reality, Trump surrounds himself with the best people)

North Korea Criticizes ‘Gangster-Like’ U.S. Attitude After Talks With Mike Pompeo

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/07/world/asia/mike-pompeo-north-korea-pyongyang.html

Swordsmyth
07-07-2018, 03:15 PM
In reality, they probably only trust Dennis Rodman.

While there is no proof that they are using TV comedy show Office negotiation tactic #14 (massage opponent's ego before stabbing them) or they have read 'art of the dealer' but to be fair Trump also praised China's Prez has a 'great man' and 'a friend' just before he unleashed massive tariffs that have caused China's markets to fall by almost 30% so far.

Do you think NK's is atacking Trump's Sec of State while massaging his ego to 'divide and conquer' or is implying that Sec of State Pompeo is a rogue agent acting against Trump's direction?

Following similar 'gangster' like terms used by NK/China media were orchestrated or random coincidence?

China's State Paper calls Trump administration 'gang of hoodlums'
(in reality, Trump surrounds himself with the best people)

North Korea Criticizes ‘Gangster-Like’ U.S. Attitude After Talks With Mike Pompeo

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/07/world/asia/mike-pompeo-north-korea-pyongyang.html

It is certainly possible that it is some kind of negotiation tactic but that would just show that they are still interested in negotiation.

enhanced_deficit
07-07-2018, 06:47 PM
It is certainly possible that it is some kind of negotiation tactic but that would just show that they are still interested in negotiation.

They have always been intrested in 'negotiations', not clear if they are interested in giving up their nukes.

Obama 'grateful' for release of Bae and Miller by North Korea
08 Nov 2014
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-...by-north-korea (http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-29970269/obama-grateful-for-release-of-bae-and-miller-by-north-korea)

August 23, 2015


North, South Korea hold marathon talks in bid to end standoff
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-n...0QR02D20150823 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-southkorea/north-south-korea-hold-marathon-talks-in-bid-to-end-standoff-idUSKCN0QR02D20150823)




Widely respected lib Dem Senator and rising star of child civil rights Bob Menendez on this topic:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed1_HLhkdQk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed1_HLhkdQk

enhanced_deficit
07-12-2018, 03:48 PM
North Korean officials a no-show for meeting about U.S. troop remains

by Adam Taylor July 12

SEOUL — North Korean officials did not turn up to a Thursday meeting with the U.S. military about repatriating the remains of the war dead, according to a U.S. official with knowledge of the situation.
The two sides had been expected to meet at the Korean Peninsula’s demilitarized zone and discuss the return of U.S. troop remains from the 1950-1953 war — an arrangement that the State Department had announced after Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s visit to Pyongyang last Friday and Saturday.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/north-korean-officials-no-show-for-meeting-about-us-troop-remains/2018/07/12/9624d114-85ae-11e8-8589-5bb6b89e3772_story.html

Swordsmyth
07-12-2018, 03:53 PM
A very nice note from Chairman Kim of North Korea. Great progress being made! pic.twitter.com/6NI6AqL0xt (https://t.co/6NI6AqL0xt)
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 12, 201 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1017446575474335744?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
Here's the full text:

H.E. Donald J. Trump
President
United States of America
Your Excellency Mr. President,
The significant first meeting with Your Excellency and the joint statement that we signed together in Singapore 24 days ago was indeed the start of a meaningful journey.
I deeply appreciate the energetic and extraordinary efforts made by Your Excellency Mr. President for the improvement of relations between the two countries and the faithful implementation of the joint statement.
I firmly believe that the strong will, sincere efforts and unique approach of myself and Your Excellency Mr. President aimed at opening up a new future between the DPRK and the U.S. will surely come to fruition.
Wishing that the invariable trust and confidence in Your Excellency Mr. President will be further strengthened in the future process of taking practical actions, I extend my conviction that the epochal progress in promoting the DPRK-U.S. relations will bring our next meeting forward.
Kim Jong Un
Chairman of the State Affairs Commission
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Pyongyang, July 6, 2018
More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...-formal-letter (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-12/kim-thanks-trump-strong-will-sincere-efforts-formal-letter)

enhanced_deficit
07-12-2018, 08:49 PM
A very nice note from Chairman Kim of North Korea. Great progress being made! pic.twitter.com/6NI6AqL0xt (https://t.co/6NI6AqL0xt)
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 12, 201 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1017446575474335744?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
Here's the full text:
H.E. Donald J. Trump
President
United States of America
Your Excellency Mr. President,
The significant first meeting with Your Excellency and the joint statement that we signed together in Singapore 24 days ago was indeed the start of a meaningful journey.
I deeply appreciate the energetic and extraordinary efforts made by Your Excellency Mr. President for the improvement of relations between the two countries and the faithful implementation of the joint statement.
I firmly believe that the strong will, sincere efforts and unique approach of myself and Your Excellency Mr. President aimed at opening up a new future between the DPRK and the U.S. will surely come to fruition.
Wishing that the invariable trust and confidence in Your Excellency Mr. President will be further strengthened in the future process of taking practical actions, I extend my conviction that the epochal progress in promoting the DPRK-U.S. relations will bring our next meeting forward.
Kim Jong Un
Chairman of the State Affairs Commission
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Pyongyang, July 6, 2018



This letter does send any 'got played' vibes. And also shows that they have pretty strong trust level.



In other news:

US Blasts China, Russia Over Sneaky Oil Sales To North Korea; Urges UN Action (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?524148-US-Blasts-China-Russia-Over-Sneaky-Oil-Sales-To-North-Korea-Urges-UN-Action&)


Kim Jong-un Blew Off Mike Pompeo to Visit a Potato Farm

By Adam K. Raymond https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/11/11-kim-jong-un-farm.w710.h473.jpg
Potato inspector. Photo: Uncredited/AP/REX/Shutterstock/Uncredited/AP/REX/Shutterstock

When Secretary of State Mike Pompeo visited Pyongyang last weekend (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/north-korea-calls-u-s-diplomatic-posture-regrettable.html), he was supposed to have a one-on-one meeting with Kim Jong-un. But the North Korean leader never showed up during Pompeo’s three-day visit. His top deputy, who took the meeting in Kim’s absence, said his boss was out of town without revealing what was more important than a sit-down with the top U.S. diplomat.
Turns out, potatoes were more important. On Tuesday, North Korean state media published several reports about Kim’s visit to a rural area near the Chinese border where he provided “field guidance” to potato farmers.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/kim-jong-un-blew-off-mike-pompeo-to-visit-a-potato-farm.html

devil21
07-12-2018, 09:23 PM
A very nice note from Chairman Kim of North Korea. Great progress being made! pic.twitter.com/6NI6AqL0xt (https://t.co/6NI6AqL0xt)
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 12, 201 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1017446575474335744?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
Here's the full text:

H.E. Donald J. Trump
President
United States of America
Your Excellency Mr. President,
The significant first meeting with Your Excellency and the joint statement that we signed together in Singapore 24 days ago was indeed the start of a meaningful journey.
I deeply appreciate the energetic and extraordinary efforts made by Your Excellency Mr. President for the improvement of relations between the two countries and the faithful implementation of the joint statement.
I firmly believe that the strong will, sincere efforts and unique approach of myself and Your Excellency Mr. President aimed at opening up a new future between the DPRK and the U.S. will surely come to fruition.
Wishing that the invariable trust and confidence in Your Excellency Mr. President will be further strengthened in the future process of taking practical actions, I extend my conviction that the epochal progress in promoting the DPRK-U.S. relations will bring our next meeting forward.
Kim Jong Un
Chairman of the State Affairs Commission
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Pyongyang, July 6, 2018
More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...-formal-letter (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-12/kim-thanks-trump-strong-will-sincere-efforts-formal-letter)

Fwiw, Chinese and associated asian cultures are known to send messages like this without meaning any of it or having any intention to follow up on it. In negotiations they're very respectful and complimentary and all that but are always looking for an advantage, which may include buttering you up before they dick you over (if you let them). There are no emotions in negotiations.

Swordsmyth
07-13-2018, 08:41 PM
The U.S. State Department confirmed July 13 that North Korean representatives failed to attend talks on the return of U.S. soldiers' remains but proposed the meeting be rescheduled to July 15 after the fact, Yonhap reported July 13.

More at: https://worldview.stratfor.com/situation-report/north-korea-reschedule-requested-meeting-us-remains

Danke
07-13-2018, 11:17 PM
Nuke the little fuckers.

timosman
07-13-2018, 11:30 PM
Nuke the little fuckers.

I would open the border with South Korea first. Extreme vetting. :cool:

devil21
07-14-2018, 01:00 AM
Nuke the little fuckers.

Are you sure you want to cancel half of your routes Danke? In these international threads you are probably our most qualified to comment on what is fact and what is fiction about other countries and their conditions.

enhanced_deficit
08-25-2018, 09:05 AM
Could be a minor glitch:

Trump Asks Pompeo to Cancel North Korea Trip, Pointing to Stalled Diplomacy (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/24/us/politics/pompeo-north-korea-trip.html)

WASHINGTON — President Trump on Friday abruptly called off a trip to North Korea by his secretary of state, citing a lack of progress in nuclear disarmament ...
The New York Times
today

enhanced_deficit
05-04-2019, 11:05 PM
Here they go again:

https://s.abcnews.com/images/International/gty-north-korea-missile-launch-04-jc-170307_31x13_992.jpg




INCOMING

17 hours ago
North Korea Test-Fires Fires Short Range Missiles Into Sea of Japan






https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/c_crop,d_placeholder_euli9k,h_1687,w_3000,x_0,y_0/dpr_1.5/c_limit,w_608/fl_lossy,q_auto/v1556967145/RTX6U9XP_tplp0zREUTERS/Kim Kyung-Hoo




South Korea’s Joint Chiefs of Staff say North Korea launched a number of short-range missiles from the Hodo Penninsula into the Sea of Japan early Saturday morning local time, according to the BBC. The test launch is the first since Pyongyang tested an intercontinental ballistic missile in November 2017. It is also the first test since U.S. President Donald Trump walked out of a summit in Vietnam earlier this year. Last month, North Korea announced that it had tested a yet-unidentified “tactical guided weapon.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/north-korea-test-fires-fires-short-range-missiles-into-sea-of-japan

enhanced_deficit
05-24-2021, 08:54 PM
Timing is quite unfortunate, now that the 'Office of DJT' is mostly a symbolic web URL & letterpad seal without active twitter or full free speech privileges, such potentially damaging 'got played' narratives (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?554041-Senior-Chinese-Communist-Party-Loyalist-Professor-Declares-Victory-in-%93Biological-Warfare%94&p=7040402&viewfull=1#post7040402) are all over the news NOW suddenly?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?554041




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