What will be the outcome of the US-NK talks

[shakey1]

I don't see NK giving up all it's nukes... what do you think will happen?

[Jamesiv1]

I don't see NK giving up all it's nukes... what do you think will happen?
I expect Trump will make it worth their while to either give up the nukes completely, or agree to plenty of inspections.

Access to our economy, build some factories over there, buy raw materials from them.... something along those lines.

[euphemia]

I don't know. I think it will depend on what the other people at the table are willing to offer. KJU has shut down the rhetoric since the Olympics. Prime Minister Abe has been solidly allied with Trump since shortly after the election. China loves Trump. I think they have come to this summit having already agreed on what they are going to offer N Korea. There will be some good takeaways for N Korea to help them get back on their economic feet and be a player in Western Asia. I think N Korea will be asked to relinquish nukes and political prisoners and do some things to restore freedom to the people.

[euphemia]

PS: You haven't seen anything like this since Reagan went to Russia. Margaret Thatcher met with Gorbachev first. Reagan called her and asked what she thought. "I think you out to talk to him."

"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall." You know the rest of the story.

That was almost exactly 30 years ago.

[timosman]

PS: You haven't seen anything like this since Reagan went to Russia. Margaret Thatcher met with Gorbachev first. Reagan called her and asked what she thought. "I think you out to talk to him."

"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall." You know the rest of the story.

That was almost exactly 30 years ago.

And now we are building a wall? Something does not add up unless you want to believe Gorbachev was our agent. :D

[Danke]

McDonald's in NK.

[Wooden Indian]

My money's on them making some hot dictator on dictator sweaty gay porn.

[nobody's_hero]

About the only thing Kim Jung Un has to fight with would be automated weapons like missiles (including those with nuclear warheads). His troops—though there might be a lot of them—are eaten up with parasites. I'll be amazed if he actually gives up the nukes


But I think North Korea's leaders know that communism failed them. They just haven't told the population yet. I'd say economic changes would be more likely than disarmament.

Whatever happens, you've got two rather narcistic, ego-driven leaders who WILL NOT walk away from the table without looking like they've accomplished something great, and weakness and defeat is not the image they are going for.

I'm also wary of what the deep state has in mind to sabotage the prospect of peace in Asia. I can hear the defense contractor stocks whistling in a freefall to the bottom of the charts. That won't be tolerated.

[timosman]

An agreement to remove the Korean Demilitarized Zone (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Demilitarized_Zone) would be a great success even if nothing else was accomplished.

[oyarde]

McDonald's in NK.

What type of meat will be used for the burgers ? puppies ?

[enhanced_deficit]

Possibilities are wide open, but hoping that it won't end like G7 Summit this week and another round of name calling between ours and NK's supreme leader won't start.


North Korea 5 hours ago

There's a 'special place in hell' for Trudeau after his G7 'stunt,' top WH Trade Adviser Peter Navarro says (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?522116-Historic-American-Trump-and-Korean-Kim-Jong-Un-to-meet-on-June-12-in-Singapore&p=6639115&viewfull=1#post6639115)

There is a "special place in hell" for Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau because of his decision to slam the U.S. in a post-G7 press conference, White House Director of Trade Policy Peter Navarro said on "Fox News Sunday."
"There's a special place in hell for any foreign leader that engages in bad faith diplomacy with President Donald J. Trump and then tries to stab him in the back on the way out the door," Navarro said. "And that's what bad faith Justin Trudeau did with that stunt press conference. That's what weak, dishonest Justin Trudeau did. And that comes right from Air Force One."




Related

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/misc/poll_posticon.gif Poll: Do you think Trump will succeed in getting North Korea to give up its Nukes? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?522646-Do-you-think-Trump-will-succeed-in-getting-North-Korea-to-give-up-its-Nukes&)



Yes 30.00%
No 60.00%
Don't know/other 10.00%

(Initial polling sample 10 people)

[luctor-et-emergo]

My option is not a choice in this poll: "Nothing".


About the only thing Kim Jung Un has to fight with would be automated weapons like missiles (including those with nuclear warheads). His troops—though there might be a lot of them—are eaten up with parasites. I'll be amazed if he actually gives up the nukes
They won't. It's their life insurance.


But I think North Korea's leaders know that communism failed them. They just haven't told the population yet. I'd say economic changes would be more likely than disarmament.
They know. See above. They don't want to die.


Whatever happens, you've got two rather narcistic, ego-driven leaders who WILL NOT walk away from the table without looking like they've accomplished something great, and weakness and defeat is not the image they are going for.
Both of them will walk away, pretending that they accomplished something great.



I'm also wary of what the deep state has in mind to sabotage the prospect of peace in Asia. I can hear the defense contractor stocks whistling in a freefall to the bottom of the charts. That won't be tolerated.
The world is crazy but I suspect very few people actually look forward to a conflict on Chinas' doorstep. Even those who would profit from it.

[Swordsmyth]

Since they don't really have Nukes they will agree to give them up.

[Brian4Liberty]

Doubt that NK will give up nukes. They might put a halt to testing and firing missiles though.

Other possibilities:

- Formal declaration of end of war.
- Removal of some US troops.
- Some type of agreement between NK, SK and Japan.

[Zippyjuan]

Trump criticized the Iran nuclear arms treaty as "worst deal ever" (he says that about every agreement though). Will this one be amazing? Or will it be much ado about nothing and basically a photo op? Whatever the outcome, I expect Trump to let us know how amazing he is.

I don't expect much to actually change.

[oyarde]

I sent Dennis Rodman to singapore for you guys .

[FSP-Rebel]

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[FSP-Rebel]

Trump criticized the Iran nuclear arms treaty as "worst deal ever" (he says that about every agreement though). Will this one be amazing? Or will it be much ado about nothing and basically a photo op? Whatever the outcome, I expect Trump to let us know how amazing he is.

I don't expect much to actually change.

Thanks for sharing what CNN and MSNBC are reporting on today.

[Anti Globalist]

There should have been an option for "US Troops in SK will remain."

[TheCount]

There will definitely be some kind of deal so that victory can be declared and the mission accomplished banners can be rolled out. What, exactly, that deal will entail and whether or not it will actually be implemented and enforced will be the more interesting things.

For optimum laughs, it needs to have all of the same flaws of the Iran deal, and then more, but be universally declared as the best deal by all of the same people who declared the Iran deal to have been the worst deal ever of all time.

[nobody's_hero]

The world is crazy but I suspect very few people actually look forward to a conflict on Chinas' doorstep. Even those who would profit from it.

Weapons manufacturers don't really need a war. They just need governments to think there will be a war. The boogeyman must not be allowed to die.

[timosman]

Weapons manufacturers don't really need a war. They just need governments to think there will be a war. The boogeyman must not be allowed to die.

Unfortunately today ...

[Cleaner44]

Trump criticized the Iran nuclear arms treaty as "worst deal ever" (he says that about every agreement though). Will this one be amazing? Or will it be much ado about nothing and basically a photo op? Whatever the outcome, I expect Trump to let us know how amazing he is.

I don't expect much to actually change.

I confidently predict that you will hugely wrong. The lives of humans in NK will be changing for the better and Kim Jung Un will be the one to deliver that improvement to them. They will love that he will have made a deal with Trump that improves the economy and condition for the people.

These are bad days to be a Democrat.

[Swordsmyth]

These are bad days to be a Democrat.

And they will only get worse.

[Swordsmyth]

U.S. President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un signed a "comprehensive" document following a historic summit aimed at the denuclearization of the Korean peninsula.

There were mo immediate details on the contents of the document but Trump said he expected the denuclearization process to start "very, very quickly".

More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-upb...001837803.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-upbeat-u-ready-today-north-korea-summit-001837803.html)

[timosman]

And they will only get worse.

We were right about being oppressed!:mad:

[Swordsmyth]

Trump said more information would come out “in just a little while” and did not say what the agreement entailed, but some have already managed to extract the key contents from the letter Trump held up.

https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/2018-06-11%20%281%29_0.png

The letter says that the U.S. and North Korea “will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula,” and that North Korea "commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula."
The pair also agree to "establish new U.S.-DPRK relations, and the two leaders "have committed to cooperate for the development of new U.S.-DPRK relations and for the promotion of peace, prosperity and security of the Korean Peninsula and of the world."
Notably, the U.S. and N. Korea agree to follow-on negotiations led by Sec. of State Mike Pompeo and a DPRK counterpart.
In other words this is just the first of many summits.
Speaking to reporters, Trump also said the he would “absolutely” invite Kim to the White House to continue their talks, meanwhile Kim called the document “historic” and said it would lead to a new era in the U.S.-North Korea relationship.
“We had a historic meeting and decided to leave the past behind, and we are about to sign a historic document,” he said through a translator. “The world will see a major change.”
Kim also thanked Trump for making “this meeting happen."
To be sure, analysts had expected both Trump and Kim to sell the summit as a success regardless of outcome since both have much at stake. At the signing ceremony, Trump said he was “very proud” of what happened Tuesday and thanked Kim, reiterating that it was an “honor” to meet.

“I think our whole relationship with North Korea and the Korean peninsula is going to be a very much different situation than it has in the past,” Trump said. “We’ve development a very special bond.”
* * *

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-12/trump-and-kim-sign-comprehensive-letter-end-historic-summit

[Swordsmyth]

Moments ago Bloomberg released the full text. Here's what it says (highlights ours).
Joint Statement of President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea at the Singapore Summit
President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) held a first, historic summit in Singapore on June 12, 2018.
President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un conducted a comprehensive, in-depth, and sincere exchange of opinions on the issues related to the establishment of new U.S.-DPRK relations and the building of a lasting and robust peace regime on the Korean Peninsula. President Trump committed to provide security guarantees to the DPRK, and Chairman Kim Jong Un reaffirmed his firm and unwavering commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.
Convinced that the establishment of new U.S.-DPRK relations will contribute to the peace and prosperity of the Korean Peninsula and of the world, and recognizing that mutual confidence building can promote the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un state the following:



The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity.
The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.
Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.
The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.

Having acknowledged that the U.S.-DPRK summit — the first in history — was an epochal event of great significance in overcoming decades of tensions and hostilities between the two countries and for the opening up of a new future, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un commit to implement the stipulations in this joint statement fully and expeditiously. The United States and the DPRK commit to hold follow-on negotiations, led by the U.S. Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, and a relevant high-level DPRK official, at the earliest possible date, to implement the outcomes of the U.S.-DPRK summit.
President Donald J Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea have committed to cooperate for the development of new U.S.-DPRK relations and for the promotion of peace, prosperity, and security of the Korean Peninsula and of the world.




More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-12/here-full-text-letter-signed-trump-and-kim

[Danke]

These are bad days to be a Democrat.

That won't stop him from posting here.

[TheCount]

There will definitely be some kind of deal so that victory can be declared and the mission accomplished banners can be rolled out.

A signed deal agreeing to sign another deal sometime in the future? Cue the banners.

[kcchiefs6465]

A signed deal agreeing to sign another deal sometime in the future? Cue the banners.
Because progress towards peace in the Korean Peninsula would be the meeting never happening?

[juleswin]

Because progress towards peace in the Korean Peninsula would be the meeting never happening?

Strawman much? signing a paper agreeing to meet again is still not a deal. If its actually what happened then he is right. I personally think progress will only come once the Trump administration agree to make a serious concession to the NK. Which I doubt will happen with people like Bolton and Pompeo in his team.

[timosman]

Strawman much? signing a paper agreeing to meet again is still not a deal. If its actually what happened then he is right. I personally think progress will only come once the Trump administration agree to make a serious concession to the NK. Which I doubt will happen with people like Bolton and Pompeo in his team.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8c/Debbie_Downer.PNG

[juleswin]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8c/Debbie_Downer.PNG

Thank you for your always informative addition to the discussion.

[timosman]

Thank you for your always informative addition to the discussion.

You don't sound like Zippy at all.:cool:

[juleswin]

You don't sound like Zippy at all.:cool:

Some people say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Dunno about that, what do you think?

[timosman]

Some people say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Dunno about that, what do you think?

I think your gears might be out of order. Did you think about having them checked?

[juleswin]

I think your gears might be out of order. Did you think about having them checked?

Gear is euphemism for what?

[timosman]

Gear is euphemism for what?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUFHH0yX4AATgDT.jpg

[juleswin]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUFHH0yX4AATgDT.jpg

You are too much for me, you win. I take the big capital L for feeding the troll.

[TheCount]

Because progress towards peace in the Korean Peninsula would be the meeting never happening?
Progress is great. I think that it's fantastic that the summit happened.

It's not mission accomplished banner material.

[Zippyjuan]

Lots of talk and pats on the back and maybe it will lead to improvements. Hopefully it will. However, the only actual change/ concession is that Trump agreed to not have any military exercises in the area (this was not in the paper they signed but done unilaterally by Trump afterwards). The "agreement" is a vague list of non-binding goals. Kim gets to declare victory for round one.

Will this be a Nixon in China moment? Kim does seem to be interested in improving his country and opening it up a bit. Is he ready go get rid of all his nuclear weapons which led to the meeting with Trump and offers security and prestige? I doubt he will go that far.

[oyarde]

I am ready for north korea to surrender the war of northern aggression . I will pick up some beer and celebrate.

[juleswin]

Lots of talk and pats on the back and maybe it will lead to improvements. Hopefully it will. However, the only actual change/ concession is that Trump agreed to not have any military exercises in the area. The "agreement" is a vague list of non-binding goals. Kim gets to declare victory for round one.

Well, I have to say that this is huge if they actually go through with it. Lets hope everyone behaves before someone decides to renege on this one agreement

[H_H]

s he ready go get rid of all his nuclear weapons which led to the meeting with Trump and offers security and prestige?

Who cares. Nobody cares, really, if Korea has or doesn't have nukes. The important thing is the Korean War is at last officially coming to an end, whatever shady business the Ruling Elite -- CIA, FBI, and invisible puppet-masters higher up -- may or may not have had going on in NK (the whole situation this past 25 years is goofy and suspicious) is coming to an end, and this is a huge WIN for TRUMP.

Trump having this HUGE WIN -- and it is a HUGE WIN -- is good, because this will free him up a ton on foreign policy, give him a lot more power, a lot more ability to do what he wants to do and still keep control of the narrative. This is good because it's clear -- at least it's clear to me -- that Trump, in his heart, is a non-interventionist and wants to be a non-interventionist. There are certain..."forces" in this world who are deranged and snarling for eternal, infinite, self-destructive war, and they have been doing everything they can to prevent this from coming about.

This will weaken them.

Hopefully, that will clear the way.

Come back, Campaign Trump! Fire Retard Bolton! Bring the Troops Home!

[Jamesiv1]

Trump wants to be the economic president and yes, would much rather end or diffuse conflict and replace it with trade.

I think he dreams day and night about bringing prosperity to America. That's how he wins 2020.

Hopefully the war machine will not be part of the equation.

[shakey1]

Who cares. Nobody cares, really, if Korea has or doesn't have nukes. The important thing is the Korean War is at last officially coming to an end, whatever shady business the Ruling Elite -- CIA, FBI, and invisible puppet-masters higher up -- may or may not have had going on in NK (the whole situation this past 25 years is goofy and suspicious) is coming to an end, and this is a huge WIN for TRUMP.

Trump having this HUGE WIN -- and it is a HUGE WIN -- is good, because this will free him up a ton on foreign policy, give him a lot more power, a lot more ability to do what he wants to do and still keep control of the narrative. This is good because it's clear -- at least it's clear to me -- that Trump, in his heart, is a non-interventionist and wants to be a non-interventionist. There are certain..."forces" in this world who are deranged and snarling for eternal, infinite, self-destructive war, and they have been doing everything they can to prevent this from coming about.

This will weaken them.

Hopefully, that will clear the way.

Come back, Campaign Trump! Fire Retard Bolton! Bring the Troops Home!

+rep

[Swordsmyth]

To those pointing out this isn't a final deal I would like to ask why they thought Trump would waste this win without stretching it out to affect the midterms or even 2020?

[Schifference]

Everything will work out great. Democrats will credit Rodman, China, South Korea, Russia, Hillary and Obama.

[Zippyjuan]

Everything will work out great. Democrats will credit Rodman, China, South Korea, Russia, Hillary and Obama.

Trump credits Otto Warmbier.


Otto Warmbier is a very special person and he will be for a long time in my life. His parents are good friends of mine. I think without Otto, this would not have happened. Something happened from that day. It was a terrible thing. It was brutal. But a lot of people started to focus on what was going on, including North Korea. I really think that Otto is someone who did not die in vain. I told this to his parents. A special young man and I have to say, special parents, special people. Otto did not die in vain. He had a lot to do with us being here today.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a21285658/trump-kim-agreement-no-commitments/

But if things don't work out,


“I may be wrong, I mean I may stand before you in six months and say, ‘Hey I was wrong.’ I don’t know that I’ll ever admit that, but I’ll find some kind of an excuse.”

[nikcers]

Trump credits Otto Warmbier.



https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a21285658/trump-kim-agreement-no-commitments/

But if things don't work out,
They stripped out the part that really stuck out with me.

“Honestly, I think he’s going to do these things."

“I may be wrong, I mean I may stand before you in six months and say, ‘Hey I was wrong.’ I don’t know that I’ll ever admit that, but I’ll find some kind of an excuse.”

The real problem with this is the absurd mental hoops you have to take to go with the media narrative on this. The narrative is that Trump was tired and therefore being honest- plus he said he was being honest. This is all political theater, we won't find out what really goes on until shots are fired.

[nikcers]

I really think that Trump's comments on Kim taking over the NK regime at a young age is a back handed compliment because he inherited all of his power, and Trump doesn't seem like he is really that all optimistic about it all as far as his body language goes, but I could be wrong but he has no conviction when he speaks, his tone seems pessimistic even when he is talking about peace.

Kim on the other hand seems like he is having his cake and eating it too, not on the literal sense but in the egotistical sense he acts like he is a true psychopath, maybe thats why Trump seemed so morbid and pessimistic in tone.

[nobody's_hero]

To those pointing out this isn't a final deal I would like to ask why they thought Trump would waste this win without stretching it out to affect the midterms or even 2020?

Good point. For max political gain, these types of events need to happen sometime in October during election years.

[Jamesiv1]

I really think that Trump's comments on Kim taking over the NK regime at a young age is a back handed compliment because he inherited all of his power, and Trump doesn't seem like he is really that all optimistic about it all as far as his body language goes, but I could be wrong but he has no conviction when he speaks, his tone seems pessimistic even when he is talking about peace.

Kim on the other hand seems like he is having his cake and eating it too, not on the literal sense but in the egotistical sense he acts like he is a true psychopath, maybe thats why Trump seemed so morbid and pessimistic in tone.
That's a good point. What if Kim Jung was such a psycho that Trump is like, "Holy shit. I had no idea..."

The dood hangs out with Dennis "Freakshow" Rodman, after all.

[juleswin]

To those pointing out this isn't a final deal I would like to ask why they thought Trump would waste this win without stretching it out to affect the midterms or even 2020?

Anyone remember when people used to say Trump is NOT a politician. Well, it seems like either the man has always been a politician or he is a quick learner and is not acting like any regular politician. I never believed that talking point any way, the man is more of a politician than many of the people in Washington and sadly its one of the things you need when your policies are shyte to survive in DC

[Swordsmyth]

Anyone remember when people used to say Trump is NOT a politician. Well, it seems like either the man has always been a politician or he is a quick learner and is not acting like any regular politician. I never believed that talking point any way, the man is more of a politician than many of the people in Washington and sadly its one of the things you need when your policies are shyte to survive in DC

Trump is and always was a politician, he just wasn't an office holder until now.
He is also the best POTUS since Coolidge.

[nikcers]

Good point. For max political gain, these types of events need to happen sometime in October during election years.
Max monetary gain always has a priority over political gain, they can buy political gain, they are going to get every penny they can out of this war before it ends. Even if there was a deal they wouldn't bring the troops home.

[nikcers]

Trump is and always was a politician, he just wasn't an office holder until now.
He is also the best POTUS since Coolidge.
Trump is just a cannibalistic politician and we get more entertained when they eat their own.

[Zippyjuan]

Trump is and always was a politician, he just wasn't an office holder until now.
He is also the best POTUS since Coolidge.

He is a salesman. And Donald Trump is his #1 client and product.

[Swordsmyth]

He is a salesman. And Donald Trump is his #1 client and product.

Politicians are salesmen who are their own #1 client and product.
Trump has always been more of a politician than that since he had to deal with zoning etc. and made heavy use of eminent domain. (eminent domain is one of the main reasons I didn't trust him when he ran for POTUS)

[Zippyjuan]

Politicians are salesmen who are their own #1 client and product.
Trump has always been more of a politician than that since he had to deal with zoning etc. and made heavy use of eminent domain. (eminent domain is one of the main reasons I didn't trust him when he ran for POTUS)

Salesmen and politicians are also habitual exaggerators and liars. Neither can be trusted.

With Trump, everything is the "most amazing" or the "worst ever".

[juleswin]

Politicians are salesmen who are their own #1 client and product.
Trump has always been more of a politician than that since he had to deal with zoning etc. and made heavy use of eminent domain. (eminent domain is one of the main reasons I didn't trust him when he ran for POTUS)

I think I prefer politicians that tries to sell me on policy rather than their personality. Call me old school but that is what moves my meter :)

[nobody's_hero]

Max monetary gain always has a priority over political gain, they can buy political gain, they are going to get every penny they can out of this war before it ends. Even if there was a deal they wouldn't bring the troops home.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewnXII06_7E

Guess we'll see. I'm pessimistic but not because I think Trump doesn't really want it. I think he'll be sabotaged by the deep state.

[Swordsmyth]

Salesmen and politicians are also habitual exaggerators and liars. With Trump, everything is the "most amazing" or the "worst ever".

What else is new?

[Swordsmyth]

I think I prefer politicians that tries to sell me on policy rather than their personality. Call me old school but that is what moves my meter :)

I agree and that is why I didn't vote for him, but he is the best POTUS since Coolidge now that he is in office so depending on who is running aginst him I might vote for him in 2020.

The best politicians sell on policy and personality.

[dude58677]

I voted partial agree ment because I didn't want to get my hopes up but I'm happy to be proven wrong!:)

[juleswin]

I agree and that is why I didn't vote for him, but he is the best POTUS since Coolidge now that he is in office so depending on who is running aginst him I might vote for him in 2020.

The best politicians sell on policy and personality.

I don't even know what that means by him being the best president since Coolidge. Regardless, shouldn't we wait until the end of his term to start making any comparisons?
I don't agree that the best politician sells policy and personality rather I think they use personality to sell policy. That is not what Trump is doing.

[timosman]

What else is new?

The team - Zippy + juleswin

[Zippyjuan]

The team - Zippy + juleswin

Thank you for your informative contribution to the discussion.

[timosman]

Thank you for your informative contribution to the discussion.

This is not new and actually stolen from another member.

[Zippyjuan]

This is not new and actually stolen from another member.

It was. From me.

[juleswin]

This is not new and actually stolen from another member.

Are u slow or what? u asked me earlier on in this thread if I was shadowing zippy and I said imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Who the hell did u think I was imitating?

[TheCount]

Trump wants to be the economic president and yes, would much rather end or diffuse conflict and replace it with trade.

How does that explain ending the Iran deal and re-imposing sanctions on them?

What about Cuba? We were moving towards legal travel and trade and he walked that back too.

And the increased sanctions?

Tariffs?

[Jamesiv1]

How does that explain ending the Iran deal and re-imposing sanctions on them?

What about Cuba? We were moving towards legal travel and trade and he walked that back too.

And the increased sanctions?

Tariffs?
Don't worry about all that. We're focused on North Korea right now.

[Swordsmyth]

Don't worry about all that. We're focused on North Korea right now.

Iran next
- Q

Trump: 'Iran Is a Different Country Now Than It Was 3 or 4 Months Ago' (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?523162-Trump-Iran-Is-a-Different-Country-Now-Than-It-Was-3-or-4-Months-Ago)

[euphemia]

I think I prefer politicians that tries to sell me on policy rather than their personality. Call me old school but that is what moves my meter :)

Is that what Obama did?

[Zippyjuan]

Don't worry about all that. We're focused on North Korea right now.

He won't even have time to tweet about Muller he will be so busy with Korea. He said so.

[TheCount]

Don't worry about all that. We're focused on North Korea right now.
Focused or invested?

[Zippyjuan]

Focused or invested?

He is already eyeing space for hotels.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-says-north-korea-beaches-great-place-for-hotels-condos-2018-6


Trump applauds North Korea's 'great beaches,' says they would be a perfect location for condos and hotels

In a press conference following his summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in Singapore, President Donald Trump applauded North Korea's "great beaches" and said they would be a great location for condos and hotels.

As a former developer, Trump appeared to hint at that real estate could be the key to North Korea's economic development as a country.

"As an example, they have great beaches," Trump said to reporters. "You see that whenever they're exploding their cannons into the ocean. I said, 'Boy, look at that view. Wouldn't that make a great condo?'"

Trump added that North Korea could be a great location for hotels, too.

"You could have the best hotels in the world right there," Trump said. "Think of it from a real estate perspective. You have South Korea, you have China, and they own the land in the middle. How bad is that, right? It's great."

[Jamesiv1]

He is already eyeing space for hotels.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-says-north-korea-beaches-great-place-for-hotels-condos-2018-6
lol

They will be the BEST hotels lol

[juleswin]

Is that what Obama did?

Yes, the only problem is that I disagreed with his policies.

[Aratus]

Let's assume unification of the Korean Peninsula is the immediate unspoken long term goal that makes demilitarization and denuclearization possible. This then is the first step towards political unity. It formally ends the Korean War by eliminating its causes...

[Zippyjuan]

Let's assume unification of the Korean Peninsula is the immediate unspoken long term goal that makes demilitarization and denuclearization possible. This then is the first step towards political unity. It formally ends the Korean War by eliminating its causes...

It will be much more difficult to unify than Germany was. The differences- politically, socially, and economically- are huge.

[timosman]

It will be much more difficult to unify than Germany was. The differences- politically, socially, and economically- are huge.

Now we have Rammstein.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr8ljRgcJNM

[nikcers]

It will be much more difficult to unify than Germany was. The differences- politically, socially, and economically- are huge.

People adapt, its what we do.

http://www.designsonthetruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/germancars.jpg

[Aratus]

Cool.
Thanks.
Way to go!

[timosman]

Cool.
Thanks.
Way to go!

:rolleyes:

[Aratus]

:rolleyes:

See... it can be done!
N.K might be close to
wanting Unity. SK is
not a fan of nuclear war.
If DJT and Kim get a nod
for a joint Nobel Peace Prize,
they need to share it with
DENNIS RODMAN!!!!!

[Aratus]

Mr Trump wants first dibs on N.Ks empty beaches,
he wants to turn the place into Asia's Atlantic City.

[Aratus]

Six months to a year ago, he wanted
to drop nuclear weapons somewhere.
Funny how time flies. Anyway, back to
politics as usual. The Blue Waves hits.

[nikcers]

See... it can be done!
N.K might be close to
wanting Unity. SK is
not a fan of nuclear war.
If DJT and Kim get a nod
for a joint Nobel Peace Prize,
they need to share it with
DENNIS RODMAN!!!!!
Don't forget the CIA SOS and John Bolton.. we wouldn't have peace without them. Nobel peace prizes for all the peace makers. Trump promised Rand there wouldn't be any more new wars atleast.


Secretary of State Mike Pompeo played a crucial role in its success and President Trump’s preparation. He activated the proper resources in the State Department for the occasion and regularly worked with White House national security adviser John Bolton to brief President Trump with the best intelligence. In addition, he ensured the logistics of the summit would go smoothly.

[nobody's_hero]

It will be much more difficult to unify than Germany was. The differences- politically, socially, and economically- are huge.

One of those rare occasions I'm gonna agree with the zipster.

You'd have to have really, really high hopes for reunification to happen. This isn't like East/West Germany. East Germany was under the control of a foreign power, a rather abusive and controlling one at that. When it came time to reunify no one had to tell the Germans to get ready. They were ready from the start.

I think North Korea is a bit different. It's internal. The Korean War was essentially a civil war, with outsiders poking their noses into it, and civil wars are seldom settled without one side being a clear victor. All of North Korea's former communist allies have dabbled in capitalism and free enterprise, and while China has North Korea's back in a fight if one breaks out, I don't think even the Chinese subscribe to the same economic philosophy that they once influenced North Korea to adopt. North Korea is truly the last to change, if it changes. No outside entity is forcing them to subscribe to communism. They're doing it themselves.

Now, if North Korea goes capitalist (or at least, some Chinese version of limited capitalism), it makes the process easier. I don't think that the South Koreans will go for communism. So as it stands there's a huge elephant in the room. Who governs over two diametrically opposite systems? Kim Jun Un will say it is him. The South Koreans will probably not go for that.

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/reuniting-north-korea-and-south-korea-could-cost-trillions-investment/


Reuniting North Korea and South Korea could cost trillions of dollars

President Donald Trump's historic summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in Singapore on Tuesday, following on the heels of the two Korean leaders meeting a little over two months ago, has raised the question of whether North Korea and South Korea would ever reunite.

Analysts say unifying North and South Korea could cost a trillion dollars under the best of circumstances and take several decades. The final price tag would also depend largely on what the catalyst for reunification is.

Some analyses put the cost of reunification at far more -- closer to $3 trillion. Experts argue that much of the cost surrounding any scenario for Korean unification would depend on whether the countries decided to converge gradually or if a chaotic event occurs. If the reform were carefully planned and followed by a peaceful union, it would be far less expensive than if North Korea's economy collapsed or a war broke out, requiring massive reconstruction costs.

South Korea's annual economic output is around $2 trillion -- that's 50 times North Korea's estimated $40 billion. South Korea, with about 50 million people, constitutes the world's fifth-largest export economy. The country is a powerhouse in advanced manufacturing sectors like automobiles and mobile phones -- think Hyundai and Samsung. On the other hand, North Korea, with around 25 million people, is one of the world's most closed economies with a state-planned, mainly agriculture-based system that has limped along for years, decimated by sanctions aimed at stopping the regime's nuclear ambitions and human rights violations. Decades of spending on defense at the expense of investments in infrastructure and other industries has also harmed growth. China accounts for 90 percent of its total trade volume.

North Korea has a strategic advantage for attracting capital -- its location. President Trump nodded to the country's potential for future economic opening in a press conference after his meeting with Kim Jong Un, citing North Korea's coastline as a way to attract real estate development. "As an example, they have great beaches. You see that whenever they're exploding their cannons into the ocean, right?," Trump said during the the briefing with reporters. "I said, 'Boy, look at that place, wouldn't that make a great condo?' And I explained it, I said, 'Instead of doing that, you could have the best hotels in the world right there.'"

"Think of it from a real estate perspective. You have South Korea. You have China and they own the land in the middle. How bad is that, right? It's great. But I told him, I said, 'you may not want to do what's there. You may want to do a smaller version of it and that could be,'" Trump added.

Sitting smack dab between major economies South Korea and China could make North Korea a desirable place for new roads and rails to facilitate trade, and even private real estate investment if the country opens itself to foreign investors and pursues more market-oriented policies. Betting on a boon if relations with its neighbors improve, Chinese property speculators are already buying up real estate along the North Korean border and driving up prices, Reuters reported last month.

Another positive for North Korea -- its young people. The median age of a North Korean is 34, versus about 42 for a South Korean. For an economy like South Korea, which will need to offset the costs of an aging society, an influx of young workers looking to transform their lives if unification comes to pass is an advantage. That said, many of these potential workers have been cut off from modern society by a brutal police state; they would need the education and training to function in an advanced economy.

Didn't Germany do this successfully a couple of decades ago? Yes, but consider that East Germany was in much better shape to rejoin a market economy than North Korea. "The GDP per capita is $33,200 in South Korea and $1,800 in the North," William Parker, COO of the EastWest Institute, told CBS MoneyWatch. "If you compare those numbers to West and East Germany, it's a completely different ballgame -- the [per capita GDP] ratio there was estimated between 7 or 10 to 1 as opposed to 40 to 1 in the case of South and North Korea."

[Aratus]

Folks, Donald John Trump has his two grown sons running his business empire, for good or ill.

North Korea in summer has warm & inviting beaches, and our young Mister Kim is slightly bored

with the Soviet look his grandfather and father liked. If 'first dibs' are going to both young Trumps!

[Aratus]

If you were a large & wealthy Las Vegas "whale"
who has gotten tired of being landlocked... are
you open to seeing casinos like Atlantic City in NK?

[Aratus]

DJT did a pitch to Kim

[Aratus]

:toady::toady::toady::toady::toady::toady::toady:: toady::toady:

[Aratus]

The poll did not have "gambling casinos" or
"more gambling casinos" as options for us all...

[shakey1]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?523223-It-looks-like-North-Korea-is-coming-through-with-a-major-denuclearization-step-for-Trump

It's sounding like real progress is being made on this whole thing... waiting for something or someone to put a wrench in the works tho. There are those in power that don't want this deal to work... hoping for the best.

[timosman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeiIH4IKL0U

[shakey1]

Kim Jong Un Arrives in China to Brief President Xi Following U.S. Summit in SingaporeOAN Newsroom
UPDATED 6:23 AM PT — Tues. June 19, 2018North Korea’s leader Kim Jong Un is expected to brief Chinese officials on last week’s summit in Singapore.
A motorcade was spotted leaving the Beijing airport early Tuesday, with Kim believed to be inside.
Chinese state media confirmed he’s expected to meet with Chinese President Xi Jingping during his two-day visit. However, reports say Kim could also be seeking China’s help in gaining relief from U.S. sanctions.

Residents of South Korea have since come out in support of the meeting.
“The governments of South Korea and China share the same strategic goal of completely denuclearizing the Korean peninsula,” stated Noh Kyu-Duk, Foreign Ministry spokesman for South Korea. “Also, our government hopes China will play a constructive role in resolving this problem — we hope Chairman Kim Jong Un’s visit will contribute to that.”
This is the third meeting between Xi and Kim since March as North Korea continues to seek global recognition.



http://www.oann.com/kim-jong-un-arrives-in-china-to-brief-president-xi-on-u-s-summit/

[shakey1]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. intelligence agencies believe North Korea has increased production of fuel for nuclear weapons at multiple secret sites in recent months and may try to hide these while seeking concessions in nuclear talks with the United States, NBC News quoted U.S. officials as saying.

In a report on Friday, the network said what it described as the latest U.S. intelligence assessment appeared to go counter to sentiments expressed by President Donald Trump, who tweeted after an unprecedented June 12 summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un that “there is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea.”

NBC quoted five unidentified U.S. officials as saying that in recent months North Korea had stepped up production of enriched uranium for nuclear weapons, even as it engaged in diplomacy with the United States.




more... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missles-usa-report/u-s-intelligence-believes-north-korea-making-more-nuclear-bomb-fuel-despite-talks-nbc-idUSKBN1JQ03O

[Zippyjuan]

But they signed agreements with Bill Clinton and George W. Bush promising to end their nuclear programs!

[Swordsmyth]

more... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missles-usa-report/u-s-intelligence-believes-north-korea-making-more-nuclear-bomb-fuel-despite-talks-nbc-idUSKBN1JQ03O

Do you trust U.S. intelligence any more than N. Korea?
I don't.

I'll wait and see what happens.

[TheCount]

Do you trust U.S. intelligence any more than N. Korea?
I don't.

I'll wait and see what happens.

How did that work out for you?