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Jamesiv1
06-08-2018, 09:44 PM
Feel the burn and vote poll hard!

timosman
06-08-2018, 09:57 PM
Coming soon - How did I fix a shithole I inherited from Obama.

Zippyjuan
06-08-2018, 10:07 PM
I vote "what".

TheTexan
06-08-2018, 10:09 PM
Thanks for poll - I voted :cool:

And my vote is winning by a landslide so far :cool:

oyarde
06-08-2018, 10:37 PM
I voted

oyarde
06-08-2018, 10:39 PM
I would also like to vote for CalExit . America cannot be Great with them . They no longer even have enough water to wash their balls . Third world.

DamianTV
06-09-2018, 04:09 AM
Ron Paul would have been 100x better than Trump.

Anti Globalist
06-09-2018, 08:01 AM
Ron Paul would have been 100x better than Trump.
Now if only Ron Paul was an alpha male. He'd be unstoppable.

timosman
06-09-2018, 08:11 AM
Now if only Ron Paul was an alpha male. He'd be unstoppable.

After spending 30 years in congress he still didn't know how the game is played.:cool:

Cleaner44
06-09-2018, 11:14 AM
With all of Trump's flaws, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends of being the most effect president of my lifetime. The thing is that he works hard and is competent, I may or may not agree with his policies or goals, but he gets more done in 1 week than politicians do in 1 month and he is effective.

Trump is certainly no libertarian, but he is useful. He has badly exposed our corrupt media. He has reduced regulation. He has lead the effort to reduce our taxes. He has wiped out the individual mandate of Obamacare. He has North Korea on the verge of end their state of war with South Korea. He has exposed the corrupt deep state.

I hope to one day see someone like Harry Browne or Ron Paul as our president, but the Libertarian party seems to have given up on libertarians in favor dipshits like Bob Barr, Gary Johnson and William Weld. It seems like creating a better Republican party is best chance for moving things in a more libertarian direction. Hell Trump is now talking about ending the federal ban on marijuana and I won't be surprised if he actually does it.

I don't think Trump cares much about our Constitution but that doesn't stop him from being a better president than Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc.

Perfect is the enemy of good.

Trump is far from perfect, but Trump is good. The results are good and getting better. There will be no Blue Wave® this November. Trump is killing the Democrats and I appreciate that!

Pauls' Revere
06-09-2018, 11:35 AM
I think he does so through indirect methods. That is by attacking the support/base that they have. The media, and they are left holding the bag when things turn out ok/better than they wanted. Thus, he indirectly exposes their hypocrisy and real agenda. He loves the negative publicity because its an opportunity to turn it on its head against the left. I really don't think the left understands this.

My coworker shed light on this (and I think they "got it") when they said. "As much as I hate Trump, things are looking pretty good. Unemployment, markets up, etc.." I think people have a hard time separating his character from policies.

Pulls out of G7 talks, then turns around 48 hrs later and shakes hands with North Korea and invites Russia into G7. He throes things off balance and responds with a better counter weight.

Wonder if he strikes a killer trade deal with North Korea for unification and denuclearized Korean Peninsula and slaps Mexico with tariffs to pay for a wall.

He zigs,...then zags. Reminds me of the movie Red October when the Russian subs pull a "Crazy Ivan".

Zippyjuan
06-09-2018, 11:40 AM
Now if only Ron Paul was an alpha male. He'd be unstoppable.

If he was an alpha male he would be much more likely to support military aggression and intervention.

timosman
06-09-2018, 11:43 AM
I think he does so through indirect methods. That is by attacking the support/base that they have. The media, and they are left holding the bag when things turn out ok/better than they wanted. Thus, he indirectly exposes their hypocrisy and real agenda. He loves the negative publicity because its an opportunity to turn it on its head against the left. I really don't think the left understands this.

My coworker shed light on this (and I think they "got it") when they said. "As much as I hate Trump, things are looking pretty good. Unemployment, markets up, etc.." I think people have a hard time separating his character from policies.

I think people have had enough of this "but he doesn't work well with people" bullshit. :cool:

timosman
06-09-2018, 11:44 AM
If he was an alpha male he would be much more likely to support military aggression and intervention.

That actually would be somebody with a small penis trying to overcompensate.

CCTelander
06-09-2018, 11:44 AM
Or what.

Pauls' Revere
06-09-2018, 11:48 AM
I think people have had enough of this "but he doesn't work well with people" bull$#@!. :cool:

Right, this is what im getting at. Maybe I have a hard time explaining it. But yeah, you listen to the media but their message doesn't jibe with reality. People can't separate the two. people accept the media message as reality but rarely is it. My coworker understood this but the general public and the left doesn't.

Swordsmyth
06-09-2018, 12:26 PM
If he was an alpha male he would be much more likely to support military aggression and intervention.

Nice Non Sequitur you have there.

timosman
06-09-2018, 01:38 PM
Right, this is what im getting at. Maybe I have a hard time explaining it. But yeah, you listen to the media but their message doesn't jibe with reality. People can't separate the two. people accept the media message as reality but rarely is it. My coworker understood this but the general public and the left doesn't.

We have been conditioned being nice is more important than getting shit done. The failure of this policy can be seen by looking at Obama years and the rise of SJW ideology. Trump gets shit done which makes SJWs very uncomfortable as they are not used to not being in the right.

Anti Globalist
06-09-2018, 01:45 PM
Obviously people fail to understand the brilliance and genius that is Trump. Trump knew that if he ran on Ron Paul's platform, he would never have won the election. It would have been stolen from him 100% no questions asked. If you noticed during Trumps entire campaign, he never ran on core principles and beliefs. Trump is smart enough to realize that running on those things don't get you elected. They may have gotten you elected 100 years ago, but they certainly can't get you elected in todays modern world. So all Trump had to do was run for president based on the fact that he is a giant cult of personality. If Ron Paul was alive 100 years ago and ran for president, he would easily win. Especially with the disasters left in place by Woodrow Wilson.

dude58677
06-09-2018, 02:06 PM
I just think about the precedence that he set being a nonpolitician. Career politicians are the biggest problem with politics. He didn't get term limits bills passed but his victory as President alone inspired generations of people running who will have a cause. If someone out there wants to run on the Constitution regardless of not being in office before they can win. There are alot of celebrities considering a run for President. They will drown out the career politicians. 100 years from now historians will be calling the 2016 election as the greatest election of all time.

Anti Globalist
06-09-2018, 04:34 PM
Also quick note, I'm not even suggesting that Trump is even a defender of liberty and freedom. He's not even close to what Ron Paul is. I just see him as a lesser of two evils. Nothing more, nothing less.

Schifference
06-09-2018, 04:57 PM
Better than sliced bread or the Ginsu Knife!

enhanced_deficit
06-09-2018, 05:49 PM
Some critics like respected neoconservative Charles K had tried to paint current top dog of GOP as a left-wing liberal like other RINOS he ran against but CK missed the big picture.



The GOP’s Ideological Earthquake and the Aftermath

By Charles Krauthammer
May 6, 2016
..

But then comes the paradox. If insufficient resistance to Obama’s liberalism created this sense of betrayal, why in a field of 17 did Republican voters choose the least conservative candidate? A man who until yesterday was himself a liberal. Who donated money to those very same Democrats to whom the GOP establishment is said to have caved, including Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid, and Hillary Clinton.

Trump has expressed sympathy for a single-payer system of socialized medicine, far to the left of Obamacare. Trump lists health care as one of the federal government’s three main responsibilities (after national security); Republicans adamantly oppose federal intervention in health care. He also lists education, which Republicans believe should instead be left to the states.
As for Planned Parenthood, the very same conservatives who railed against the Republican establishment for failing to defund it now rally around a candidate who sings the praises of its good works (save for the provision of abortion).

More fundamentally, Trump has no affinity whatsoever for the central thrust of modern conservatism — a return to less and smaller government. If the establishment has insufficiently resisted Obama’s Big Government policies, the beneficiary should logically have been the most consistent, indeed most radical, anti-government conservative of the bunch, Ted Cruz.

Cruz’s entire career has consisted of promoting tea-party constitutionalism in revolt against party leaders who had joined “the Washington cartel.” Yet when Cruz got to his one-on-one with Trump at the Indiana OK Corral, Republicans chose Trump and his nonconservative, idiosyncratic populism.
#share#Which makes Indiana a truly historic inflection point. It marks the most radical transformation of the political philosophy of a major political party in our lifetime. The Democrats continue their trajectory of ever-expansive liberalism from the New Deal through the Great Society through Obama and Clinton today. While the GOP, the nation’s conservative party, its ideology refined and crystallized by Ronald Reagan, has just gone populist.
It’s an ideological earthquake. How radical a reorientation? Said Trump last week: “Folks, I’m a conservative. But at this point, who cares?”
RELATED: America Needs #NeverTrump Now More than Ever (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/434765/nevertrump-needed-now-more-ever?target=topic&tid=)

Who cares? Wasn’t caring about conservatism the very essence of the talk-radio, tea-party, grass-roots revolt against the so-called establishment? They cheered Cruz when he led the government shutdown in the name of conservative principles. Yet when the race came down to Cruz and Trump, these opinion-shaping conservatives who once doted on Cruz affected a studied Trump-leaning neutrality.

Trump won. True, the charismatically challenged Cruz was up against a prepackaged celebrity, an already famous showman.



https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/05/donald-trump-not-conservative-gop-doesnt-care/


One of the great things about leader in chief is that he's a big picture guy and doesn't let small things bogg him down. Although it's not confirmed but there were some speculation he may have even supported election of the last awsome POTUS also.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/304/cpsprodpb/11622/production/_87220217_trumpobama.png

Don't get any more awsome than that.

timosman
06-10-2018, 12:32 PM
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euphemia
06-10-2018, 12:55 PM
With all of Trump's flaws, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends of being the most effect president of my lifetime. The thing is that he works hard and is competent, I may or may not agree with his policies or goals, but he gets more done in 1 week than politicians do in 1 month and he is effective.

Trump is certainly no libertarian, but he is useful. He has badly exposed our corrupt media. He has reduced regulation. He has lead the effort to reduce our taxes. He has wiped out the individual mandate of Obamacare. He has North Korea on the verge of end their state of war with South Korea. He has exposed the corrupt deep state.

This. ^^^^ Trump may not have a fully libertarian ideology, but he is certainly acting along those lines. China has never been overtly involved in any kind of peaceful negotiation in the world, and certainly never outside its own border, but their premier is at the table with Japan, South Korea, and the US to convince Kim Jong Un to do away with his nuclear weapons. Paranoid Kim Jong Un has rarely been seen outside his own country. He was convinced to come to this meeting and have the conversation.

And Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize based on ideas. I'll take action and accomplishment over ideas any day.

donnay
06-10-2018, 01:43 PM
The origins of Trumpism

BY TERRY LAUTZ


The rise of Donald J. Trump may seem unprecedented, but we’ve seen this phenomenon before in the person of Robert H.W. Welch Jr., who founded the John Birch Society in 1958.

Like Trump, Welch was a wealthy businessman. As vice president for sales at his brother’s confectionery company—which manufactured Junior Mints, Sugar Babies, and other popular brands—he understood the power of publicity. Selling candy and marketing politics had a lot in common.

Like Trump, Welch was viewed as an unhinged rabble-rouser and a dangerous right-wing extremist. The media were fascinated and alarmed by him because he said such outrageous things: President Dwight Eisenhower was a communist who took his marching orders from his brother, Milton. Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren should be impeached because he supported school desegregation. The United States should withdraw from the United Nations, which existed to undermine US sovereignty. Fluoridation of water supplies was a communist plot.

The Society, which still exists, was named for a missionary-turned-soldier who was shot and killed by Communists in China at the end of World War II. Welch linked the martyrdom of the young John Birch to the subsequent “loss” of China to Mao’s Red Army. The cover-up of Birch’s death was evidence of treason within the Truman administration.

Welch, like Trump, aimed to transform the system. His core ideas hearkened back to a simpler time, before there was a federal income tax and the welfare policies of the New Deal. He advocated free market capitalism, opposed big-government, and attacked the Washington establishment as misguided and corrupt. He mounted a nationwide law-and-order campaign to “support your local police.”

Also like Trump, Welch claimed that conspiratorial forces threatened the United States, undermining its strength and sapping its will. Political elites were “insiders” working against America’s interests. They were either conscious agents or dupes being manipulated by subversive powers. If the government said something, the truth must be the opposite. The failed 1961 US invasion of Cuba was a phony assault to consolidate Castro’s alliance with the Soviets. Support for non-communist forces in South Vietnam actually disguised a plan to assist a communist takeover. In today’s world, Welch would have understood globalization as a sinister scheme, and China and Islam as existential threats.

Welch was maligned by liberals, denounced by conservatives, and dismissed by the mainstream media. Yet tens of thousands of Americans—mostly white, middle-class, suburban and many of them women—became loyal members. They didn’t necessarily agree with everything Robert Welch said, but they believed his basic message was important. They were concerned about the erosion of traditional values; the advance of socialism and communism; the overreach of government; runaway taxes and the national debt. Although Welch was not running for political office, he gave these citizens a voice.

President Trump’s politics draw on Robert Welch’s playbook. Trump has tapped into alienation and anxiety about rapid social change. He uses conspiracy theories and bogus information to provoke and disrupt. His supporters, who harbor a distrust for government and fear of foreign entanglements, are willing to look beyond his inflammatory rhetoric. And like members of the Birch Society, they believe that their individual rights are threatened, the federal government needs to be curtailed, and international agreements cannot be trusted.

The John Birch Society, which marked the beginning of our divided politics in modern times, faded from public view by the late 1960s. But with Trump’s electoral success, what was once considered a fringe movement has moved to the center. Mr. Welch, who died in 1985, would have celebrated Trumpism as the victory of Birchism. Whether the revival of his tactics and ideas will “make America great again” remains to be seen.
https://blog.oup.com/2017/01/trumpism-john-birch-society-robert-welch/

euphemia
06-10-2018, 02:12 PM
A lot of Americans see themselves as disenfranchised. That’s why they voted for Trump.

timosman
06-10-2018, 02:25 PM
A lot of Americans see themselves as disenfranchised. That’s why they voted for Trump.

Liberals still need to explain how can you give a preferential treatment to a group or groups of society without discriminating against everybody else. I would like to see the gymnastics involved.

CaptUSA
06-10-2018, 02:34 PM
Is government growing or shrinking? All else is smoke and mirrors.




(In case you weren’t aware... it’s growing faster than ever. )

timosman
06-10-2018, 02:38 PM
Is government growing or shrinking? All else is smoke and mirrors.




(In case you weren’t aware... it’s growing faster than ever. )

So is the number of TDS cases.

Suzanimal
06-10-2018, 02:52 PM
So is the number of TDS cases.

And STDs.

axiomata
06-10-2018, 03:08 PM
Troll poll needs Danke option.

Suzanimal
06-10-2018, 03:10 PM
I can't believe "He's truly awesome" is beating "CNN porn stars".

I didn't vote. Not enough options.
Dr.3D :p

oyarde
06-10-2018, 05:05 PM
I can't believe "He's truly awesome" is beating "CNN porn stars".

I didn't vote. Not enough options.
Dr.3D :p
I voted Porn stars since there was no Danke option .

Pauls' Revere
06-10-2018, 05:59 PM
Tweeted: realDonaldTrump Close bases in Germany, send EU into panic. Must pay their own way.

LOL

Cleaner44
06-10-2018, 06:50 PM
Is government growing or shrinking? All else is smoke and mirrors.




(In case you weren’t aware... it’s growing faster than ever. )

Nonsense. Government growing is one important factor in a very complex equation.

I love you but this is a childish view of our situation.

If our government were shrinking but taxes were doubling, would that be all good?

If our government were shrinking but gun ownership for individuals was prohibited, would that not matter?

I wish life was so simple but it just isn't... at least my life isn't.

Suzanimal
06-10-2018, 07:12 PM
I voted Porn stars since there was no Danke option .

Yes. Poll needed a Danke option, a Russian option, not enough options option, a too many options option, and should've been multiple choice.

oyarde
06-10-2018, 07:19 PM
Yes. Poll needed a Danke option, a Russian option, not enough options option, a too many options option, and should've been multiple choice.

And an option where Danke is with the russians too .

euphemia
06-10-2018, 07:31 PM
I didn’t vote. If we are going on presidents in the 21st century Trump rates awesome compared to the rest.

And he has been more awesome for the unborn compared to any president in the 20th or 21st century.

thoughtomator
06-10-2018, 09:52 PM
Now if only Ron Paul was an alpha male. He'd be unstoppable.

Wondering when people here are going to figure out that for most intents and purposes, Trump is basically Ronpaulasaurus.

thoughtomator
06-10-2018, 10:10 PM
Also quick note, I'm not even suggesting that Trump is even a defender of liberty and freedom. He's not even close to what Ron Paul is. I just see him as a lesser of two evils. Nothing more, nothing less.

In terms of real-world implementation of Ron Paul's ideas, both Rand and Trump exceed Ron's production by enormous margins.

The way he is fixing unequal treaties and achieving something a lot closer to free trade than what we get now, and in the process cutting out a lot of the foreign giveaways than Ron loved to point out as singularly poor policy.

The way he is bringing interminable foreign engagements to a head to close the books on them, as in NK and Syria, is probably not how Ron would have gone about it, but the ends are the same.

The means Trump uses aren't justified by the ends; they're justified by the environment he must operate in.

As Ron explained many times, this is a long process to reverse the socialization of government and there will be steps along the way, it won't be instant.

Just think of Trump as Ronpaulasaurus and it'll be easier to cheer for him.

TheCount
06-11-2018, 06:48 AM
Wondering when people here are going to figure out that for most intents and purposes, Trump is basically Ronpaulasaurus.
On steroids.

AuH20
06-11-2018, 06:54 AM
Trump gets an A for cultural awakening and a C on actual policy. Overall, he's probably going to eclipse Reagan as best republican president since Coolidge. The real profound effect of the Trump presidency will be felt years later.

AuH20
06-11-2018, 07:00 AM
Just look at the Deniro outburst. Has anyone ever seen anything like this? I have never seen a politician so apt at extracting forth the worst attributes of his enemies.

euphemia
06-11-2018, 07:05 AM
If Ron Paul was still in the House, I have a feeling this would all be seen in a different light, and perhaps Dr. Paul would be part of the delegation hammering out the agreement.

It disappoints me that Dr. Paul recognizes very little of the good accomplished by the Trump administration. I get the principle side of it, but we are get a lot of what we asked for. We don't need or necessarily want a media spotlight on all of it. We just want it done.

Sure we still have stuff going on in the Middle East. But you see what's happening here, right? China, Japan, S Korea, and N Korea area at the table. Once this agreement is done and gets traction. Who's next? Pakistan? Maybe.

Trump will put some goals out there, draft another team, and go get something done. Listen for the next rocket dude or whatever. That will give you a clue.

This is the pot stirring. The G7 and Russia stuff is a smoke screen. Trump does this on purpose because he doesn't want their input on N Korea. If the next goal is an economic goal he may well keep the pot stirring with Canada and go hammer out a deal having to do with the economy in south of the border.

That's how Trump rolls. If he comes to the table to talk and people won't talk, he walks away and talks with someone else. He's not going to beg or apologize.

AuH20
06-11-2018, 07:23 AM
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AuH20
06-11-2018, 07:27 AM
This one is good.

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shakey1
06-11-2018, 07:34 AM
Trump is too "allovertheplace" for me to vote.

euphemia
06-11-2018, 07:43 AM
I agree. He might still go off the rails and do something totally against principle.

Jamesiv1
06-11-2018, 07:54 AM
If Ron Paul was still in the House, I have a feeling this would all be seen in a different light, and perhaps Dr. Paul would be part of the delegation hammering out the agreement.

It disappoints me that Dr. Paul recognizes very little of the good accomplished by the Trump administration. I get the principle side of it, but we are get a lot of what we asked for. We don't need or necessarily want a media spotlight on all of it. We just want it done.

Sure we still have stuff going on in the Middle East. But you see what's happening here, right? China, Japan, S Korea, and N Korea area at the table. Once this agreement is done and gets traction. Who's next? Pakistan? Maybe.

Trump will put some goals out there, draft another team, and go get something done. Listen for the next rocket dude or whatever. That will give you a clue.

This is the pot stirring. The G7 and Russia stuff is a smoke screen. Trump does this on purpose because he doesn't want their input on N Korea. If the next goal is an economic goal he may well keep the pot stirring with Canada and go hammer out a deal having to do with the economy in south of the border.

That's how Trump rolls. If he comes to the table to talk and people won't talk, he walks away and talks with someone else. He's not going to beg or apologize.
+rep

Trump knows the game and plays it well.

euphemia
06-11-2018, 08:04 AM
Sidebar: After his annual physical, Trump was encouraged to incorporate more healthy foods into his diet. He looks like he may have lost about 10 pounds--especially in his face.

There was nowhere else to put this.

Firestarter
06-11-2018, 08:24 AM
Donald Trump, friends of: paedophiles, money launderers, Indonesian terrorists, Zionists, John McCain, George Soros and… Clinton.
I would have voted if this poll had the option – Second-rate actor.

Jimmy Kimmel asks kids what they think about Donald Drumpf. I think that most forum members could learn something from these kids…
The impersonations of President Donald at the end are awesome!

https://youtu.be/XYviM5xevC8

Superfluous Man
06-11-2018, 08:35 AM
With all of Trump's flaws, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends of being the most effect president of my lifetime.

That's a bad thing. Right?

timosman
06-11-2018, 08:55 AM
Just look at the Deniro outburst. Has anyone ever seen anything like this? I have never seen a politician so apt at extracting forth the worst attributes of his enemies.

After 8 years of Obama, where any attempt to criticize him was met with accusations of racism. :cool:

Philhelm
06-11-2018, 11:15 AM
And STDs.

You rang?

Jamesiv1
06-11-2018, 12:38 PM
Donald Trump, friends of: paedophiles, money launderers, Indonesian terrorists, Zionists, John McCain, George Soros and… Clinton.
I would have voted if this poll had the option – Second-rate actor.

Jimmy Kimmel asks kids what they think about Donald Drumpf. I think that most forum members could learn something from these kids…
The impersonations of President Donald at the end are awesome!

https://youtu.be/XYviM5xevC8
Kimmel is a loser and his failing show's ratings are terrible.

timosman
06-11-2018, 12:46 PM
Kimmel is a loser and his failing show's ratings are terrible.

Maybe the SJW agenda is the ticket to improving ratings or so he was told?

Henry Rogue
06-11-2018, 02:02 PM
Illegitimate poll, no Kludge is a douche option.

Suzanimal
06-11-2018, 02:29 PM
You rang?

Poll also needs a blumpkin option.
:D

pcosmar
06-11-2018, 02:35 PM
What

not a poll option.

shakey1
06-11-2018, 02:48 PM
What

not a poll option.

Maybe it should be.

http://www.freshmorningquotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Minions-DP-For-Facebook-and-WhatsApp-3.png

Cleaner44
06-12-2018, 12:11 AM
This seems pretty awesome to me...

Trump praises meeting with Kim Jong Un, says they’re ‘going’ to a signing
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/12/trump-praises-meeting-with-kim-jong-un-says-re-going-to-signing.html

Trump says he and Kim are 'going right now for a signing'
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/11/donald-trump-and-kim-jong-un-meet-at-historic-summit-in-singapore.html

eleganz
06-12-2018, 06:01 PM
After spending 30 years in congress he still didn't know how the game is played.:cool:

He knew how the game was played and chose not to play it.

Ron Paul would've been a great president.

Krugminator2
06-12-2018, 06:04 PM
If Sanford loses his race because of Trump tonight, I wish AIDS and cancer on him.

timosman
06-12-2018, 06:07 PM
He knew how the game was played and chose not to play it.

Ron Paul would've been a great president.

Jesse in the Whitehouse calling shots would have been great.

Zippyjuan
06-12-2018, 06:35 PM
If Sanford loses his race because of Trump tonight, I wish AIDS and cancer on him.

Trump supported candidates have a mixed record.

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Wasn't Sanford in some sex scandal as Governor? Katie Arrington has an early lead with 12% of votes in.

Krugminator2
06-12-2018, 06:58 PM
Trump supported candidates have a mixed record.


This is quite a bit different. Sanford has continuously attacked Trump and the whole campaign by Sanford's opponent was that he was an obstacle for Trump. And it was already have an effect in that district.


Wasn't Sanford in some sex scandal as Governor?

Yes. Just like Ron Paul had his own little scandals. I tend to think of their impeccable voting records instead because that's what actually matters.

thoughtomator
06-12-2018, 07:01 PM
If Sanford loses his race because of Trump tonight, I wish AIDS and cancer on him.

If he loses it's his own fault for staking out anti-Trump positions in order to represent an overwhelmingly pro-Trump constituency.

Zippyjuan
06-12-2018, 07:08 PM
This is quite a bit different. Sanford has continuously attacked Trump and the whole campaign by Sanford's opponent was that he was an obstacle for Trump. And it was already have an effect in that district.



Yes. Just like Ron Paul had his own little scandals. I tend to think of their impeccable voting records instead because that's what actually matters.

Unfortunately there isn't room in either party for moderates. Everybody has moved to the extremes.

Krugminator2
06-12-2018, 07:12 PM
Unfortunately there isn't room in either party for moderates. Everybody has moved to the extremes.


Sanford is about the least moderate member of Congress.

Zippyjuan
06-12-2018, 07:28 PM
VOX says she is farther right than he is.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/12/17453368/south-carolina-primary-election-live-results-mark-sanford-katie-arrington


State lawmaker Katie Arrington is running a campaign to his far right, portraying him as, as Politico put it, “a disloyal Never Trumper.”

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/02/mark-sanford-profile-214791


He worked for weeks alongside Sen. Rand Paul to prepare a House companion bill to replace Obamacare, and introduced it this month as the conservatives’ legislative vehicle of choice. And from a tactical and ideological standpoint, he is already viewed as a leader of the GOP resistance: In conversations since Election Day with leaders of the congressional right, Sanford is universally mentioned as one of the few House Republicans who looks forward to future confrontations with Trump. “Sanford will never back down,” Justin Amash, his colleague and fellow Tea Party troublemaker, tells me.

What concerns Sanford on a fundamental level—“the danger” of Trump’s presidency, he says— is that “historically there’s incredible deference to the presidency from the party in power.” He understands the reluctance of rank-and-file Republicans to criticize a president who “has a proven record of taking people down.” But, he says, there must be a muscular check on Trump from somewhere inside the GOP. He was encouraged to see Speaker Paul Ryan push back on him throughout 2016, but equally disheartened to see him willingly subjugated after the election results came in. “I admired his conviction in the campaign,” Sanford says of Ryan. However, he adds, “at the end of the day, radio silence is not sustainable in being true to yourself.”

Not looking good- with 61% in she leads 51% to 45% and that hasn't changed much all night.

Krugminator2
06-12-2018, 07:41 PM
VOX says she is farther right than he is.


Because they are fucking stupid. It is as simple as that. They think a moderate is someone who criticizes the party. They don't differentiate between Mitt Romney and Mark Sanford.

You could probably make a legit case that Sanford is one of the ten most conservative members in the history of Congress.

timosman
06-12-2018, 07:43 PM
Not looking good- with 61% in she leads 51% to 45% and that hasn't changed much all night.


Zippy, are you all right?

Swordsmyth
06-12-2018, 07:53 PM
Because they are $#@!ing stupid. It is as simple as that. They think a moderate is someone who criticizes the party. They don't differentiate between Mitt Romney and Mark Sanford.

You could probably make a legit case that Sanford is one of the ten most conservative members in the history of Congress.

https://www.thenewamerican.com/freedom-index

Dist.1: Marshall Sanford (https://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=38&Itemid=828&nameid=S000051) - 82%

He is #7 in the current crop.

Danke
06-12-2018, 07:54 PM
6013

Danke
06-12-2018, 08:03 PM
6014

Danke
06-12-2018, 08:03 PM
60146015

thoughtomator
06-12-2018, 08:27 PM
Maybe it should be.

http://www.freshmorningquotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Minions-DP-For-Facebook-and-WhatsApp-3.png

But do it in Japanese. Every poll should have a "Nani?" option.

https://pics.me.me/saying-nani-instead-of-what-swear-jar-omae-wa-mou-33433311.png

Zippyjuan
06-12-2018, 08:43 PM
I found this fascinating about South Carolina politics:

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/12/17448952/south-carolina-primary-ballot


As things currently stand, voters in South Carolina don’t need to identify themselves as Democrats, independents, or Republicans. Any voter can participate in any party primary that piques their interest, leading to a fair share of “crossover” voting.

“It really is fun in South Carolina because you actually have to think about the voters you’re trying to communicate and target,” South Carolina Democratic Party Chair Trav Robertson told the Charleston Post and Courier. “It’s prevented a lot of the craziness we see in other states. I’d very much hate to change that characteristic of South Carolina.”

There is a ballot question seeking to change that. California does have open primaries but you still register either with a party or unaffiliated. There are as many registered as "unaffiliated" as Republicans in the state.

FvS
06-12-2018, 08:50 PM
Trump should be doing more to stop the Central American invasion.

timosman
06-12-2018, 08:52 PM
I found this fascinating about South Carolina politics:

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/12/17448952/south-carolina-primary-ballot



There is a ballot question seeking to change that. California does have open primaries but you still register either with a party or unaffiliated. There are as many registered as "unaffiliated" as Republicans in the state.

Doesn't sound like unaffiliated will be voting democrat.

enhanced_deficit
07-07-2018, 06:58 PM
Now if only Ron Paul was an alpha male. He'd be unstoppable.

There used to be rumors during Monica Lewisnky scandal days that Clinton was alpha male. But was as big an alpha male as MAGA? Doubtful.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Clinton_Trump_2000_03.jpg





After spending 30 years in congress he still didn't know how the game is played.:cool:

Maybe he does and was just not willing to give up his principles in order to go to WH. It' a puppet show still to a great extent.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/7b/5e/e3/7b5ee33f5f6e9545c1c3edd607768673--bumper-stickers-liberty.jpg

oyarde
07-07-2018, 08:28 PM
Polling on RPF has Trump as Yes , Awesome .

AZJoe
07-08-2018, 01:28 PM
There is no option for "what".