New York could give teachers the power to keep guns out of students hands

[Swordsmyth]

Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced new legislation Tuesday that would make New York State the first in the nation to give teachers the power to keep guns out of kids' hands.
If passed, the proposal would create a new type of court order called an 'extreme risk protection order.'
It would allow family members, police officers and teachers or school administrators to petition the state Supreme Court system, arguing that someone is likely to harm themselves or others and they shouldn't be allowed access to guns.


If the court found the complaints legitimate, a judge could issue a temporary order restricting that person from purchasing, owning or having access to any type of firearm.
The National Rifle Association did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Cuomo said Tuesday that the legislation, which he's calling the 'Red Flag Bill,' is a better solution than President Trump's proposal to arm teachers in the classroom.
'That makes absolutely no sense to us,' Cuomo said of Trump's suggestion. 'But a teacher should have recourse. We're also talking about teachers' safety here. and right now you have the teachers in a situation where there's nothing they can do, and it's frightening.'
The governor's office noted that students and teachers had expressed concerns about Nikolas Cruz before the 19-year-old former student was arrested in the February 14 shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida. Cruz has been charged with 17 counts of first-degree murder in the attack.

A spokesman for Cuomo said the law wouldn't take guns away from parents whose children were brought before the court – but judges could require parents to have a secure method (such as a safe) for storing any weapons away from a minor under an extreme risk protection order.

More at: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5810395/New-York-state-teachers-power-guns-students-hands.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

[navy-vet]

Oh boy, now what could possibly go wrong here....:rolleyes:

[Danke]

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[Danke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_bmFJRcseg

[DamianTV]

Laws only punish Law Abiding Citizens, they dont do shit about stopping anyone determined to kill.

[pcosmar]

That is so ridiculous,,
Most of the school shooters were under age of owning a firearm. (by current laws)

Minor children with guns do not get them from licensed dealers.

[euphemia]

I thought New York had strict gun laws. How would teachers be able to address this if nobody has a gun?

[RJB]

Does that power come with a magic wand?

[dannno]

Cuomo said Tuesday that the legislation, which he's calling the 'Red Flag Bill,' is a better solution than President Trump's proposal to arm teachers in the classroom.

'That makes absolutely no sense to us,' Cuomo said of Trump's suggestion. 'But a teacher should have recourse. We're also talking about teachers' safety here. and right now you have the teachers in a situation where there's nothing they can do, and it's frightening.'

Wow, this guy has serious mental retardation.

[Wooden Indian]

My simple response to this post became... A little more. ROFL


Unarmed, unaware, unbelievably naive

The 2nd was our Founders' answer to a very familiar question- how to protect your countrymen from a tyrannical government.

Believing that inevitably our Liberty would need to be "refreshed", The Right To Bear Arms offered hope and a means to The People of engaging in the forceful removal of those put in place to serve, were it to be required.

Time passes and with it also passes the wisdom of our fathers. Generations of wealth and security turn the once brave and fierce to be complacent and compliant, and as the forefathers prophesied, first blood was drawn by the nation's powerful.

This early battle manifest its presence with barely a whisper and even now rages in near silence. A move of strategical brilliance, the government shelved their standing armies and trillion dollar arsenals in favor of propaganda and disinformation. Slowly positioning themselves to oversee the private sector and local governments, the elites of Media and Academia were put in place for the purpose of simultaneously swaying public opinion, deconstructing longstanding ethics, and demonizing moral traditions.

Shaping the minds and souls of the growing population, the people turn on one another, disarm themselves, and gladly offer their unwavering allegiance.

Laying their naked children prone at the gaping jaws of Leviathan, they emphatically cheer on their own demise, "USA. USA. USA".

[Anti Federalist]

So, looking cross-eyed at a government indoctrination agent gets you a SWAT raid, property seized, and a significant human right revoked, based on nothing but a government judge's say so?

Reason #34,791 to homeschool.

[Anti Federalist]

Homeschooling surges as parents seek safer option for children

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/30/homeschooling-surges-parents-seek-escape-shootings/

30 May 2018

After a gunman opened fire on students in Parkland, Florida, the phones started ringing at the Texas Home School Coalition, and they haven’t stopped yet.

The Lubbock-based organization has been swamped with inquiries for months from parents seeking safer options for their kids in the aftermath of this year’s deadly school massacres, first in Parkland and then in Santa Fe, Texas.

“When the Parkland shooting happened, our phone calls and emails exploded,” said coalition president Tim Lambert. “In the last couple of months, our numbers have doubled. We’re dealing with probably between 1,200 and 1,400 calls and emails per month, and prior to that it was 600 to 700.”

Demands to restrict firearms and beef up school security have dominated the debate following the shootings, but flying under the radar is the surge of interest in homeschooling as parents lose faith in the ability of public schools to protect students from harm.

And it’s not just the threat of school shootings. Christopher Chin, president of Homeschool Louisiana, said parents are also increasingly concerned about “the violence, the bullying, the unsafe environments.”

“One of the things we’ve seen definitely an uptick in the last five years is the aspect of violence. It’s the bullying. That is off the charts,” Mr. Chin said.
In his experience, a mass shooting won’t change the minds of parents satisfied with their children’s public-school experiences, but it can tip the balance for those already leaning toward home education.

“I think what happens with these school shootings is they’re the straws that broke the camel’s back,” Mr. Chin said. “I don’t think it’s the major decision-maker, but it’s in the back of parents’ minds.”

Brian D. Ray, president of the National Home Education Research Institute in Salem, Oregon, who has conducted homeschool research for 33 years, said school safety has increasingly become an issue for parents looking at teaching their kids at home.

He said the top three reasons that parents choose homeschooling are a desire to provide religious instruction or different values than those offered in public schools; dissatisfaction with the academic curriculum, and worries about the school environment.

“Most parents homeschool for more than one reason,” Mr. Ray said. “But when we ask families why do they homeschool, near the top nowadays is concern about the environment of schools, and that includes safety, pressure to get into drugs, pressure to get into sexual activity. It includes all of that.”

After the Feb. 14 shooting in Parkland, Florida, vows by parents to pull their kids out of school erupted on social media, and some of them apparently followed through by making contact with their local homeschool advocates.

“I talk with these people on a regular basis, and clearly after a shooting, more of them are saying, ‘Hey, we’re getting more phone calls, we’ve got more people at the beginner session asking about safety,’” Mr. Ray said.

Not everyone agrees with the homeschool response. Takisha Coats Durm, lead virtual school teacher for the Madison County Schools System in Huntsville, Alabama, said
that fleeing the classroom teaches the wrong lesson.

“Even though it seems we may be protecting them, we may be sheltering them instead of teaching them to work and find a solution for the issues and not necessarily running away from them, because these things are going to happen,” Ms. Durm told WAAY-TV in Huntsville.

Her comments came shortly after the May 18 shooting at Santa Fe High School, which left 10 dead, just three months after 17 were killed in the massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland.

Tracking the numbers

While homeschool advocates are confident their ranks are growing, pinning down the number of U.S. at-home students is a challenge, given most states don’t keep count.
A 2017 U.S. Department of Education report estimated 1.69 million homeschool students from ages 5-17 in spring 2016, using data from the National Household Education Surveys program, which mailed questionnaires to about 200,000 selected households.

Those findings would indicate that homeschooling has been flat since 2012, but Mr. Ray estimated there were 2.3 million homeschool students in spring 2016, using figures provided by the 15 states that track homeschoolers, as well as Maricopa County, Arizona.

His figure represented a 25 percent increase between 2012-16. During the same period, the U.S. school-age population grew by about 2 percent.

“My bottom-line summary is that it’s been growing at an estimated 2 to 8 percent per year, and that’s compounded,” Mr. Ray said.

In Louisiana, which does ask homeschoolers to report their kids, Mr. Chin said there were 30,134 homeschool students registered in January, up from an estimated 18,500 to 20,000 in 2011.

“Homeschooling has exploded in our state,” said Mr. Chin, who homeschools his five children with his wife in New Orleans. “If homeschoolers were their own school district in our state, we would be the sixth largest in the state.”

Texas doesn’t require registration, but Mr. Lambert, who homeschooled his four now-adult children, estimated that the state has about 150,000 families and more than 300,000 students being taught at home.

“In fact we have more students being homeschooled in Texas than we have in traditional private schools in Texas, and that’s quoted by a number of our state officials,” he said.

His organization sponsored a poll last year that found safety ranked fourth among reasons parents decide to educate their kids at home.

“I’m required by law to place my kids in a public school or private or homeschool, but the state is not accountable in terms of the safety of these children,” said Mr. Lambert. “So we get lots of calls from people saying, ‘Hey my kid’s being bullied, my kid’s being attacked, and the school either can’t or won’t do anything about it, so we’re going to take care of our child. We’re withdrawing him.’”

Like Mr. Chin, he said a highly publicized school shooting may come as the tipping point for parents already inclined to pull their kids out of the public system.
“When a shooting happens, I call it the straw that basically breaks their idea of the public schools,” Mr. Lambert said. “They’ve already been thinking about it, and now somebody gets stabbed, or another teacher beats up another kid, or another kid beats up another teacher, and they say, ‘You know what? We don’t want to be there.’”

[euphemia]

We were home schooling when Columbine, Paducah, and Russellville happened. It was part of what kept us home schooling. Schools, malls, concert venues, and any large gathering of people are soft targets.

Statistics pretty much prove education is more successful in the home.

[Wooden Indian]

We were home schooling when Columbine, Paducah, and Russellville happened. It was part of what kept us home schooling. Schools, malls, concert venues, and any large gathering of people are soft targets.

Statistics pretty much prove education is more successful in the home.

Same here. And one positive contribution by technology for us we the relative ease of homeschooling and remote courses/ material. The home PC and a encouraging parent effectively eliminates the need of an indoctrinat... err... educator.

[euphemia]

We home schooled before home computers were common. Libraries still had standing card catalogs.

I think our grandchildren are mostly pen and paper home schooling, too. They use some technology, but only when it is relative to what they study. Their dad is teaching them how to code.

[Anti Globalist]

Stupid is as stupid does.