Do you think Trump will succeed in getting North Korea to give up its Nukes?

[enhanced_deficit]

Considering deal making skills of Trump and Nk's Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un as well as history of US-NK relations, do you think Trump will succeed in getting North Korea to give up its Nukes?


There is increasing noise in media that our current leader is not a great deal maker as is often advertized.



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[Swordsmyth]

Do they really have nukes?
If they do did they make them or have the capability to make more?

[enhanced_deficit]

Do they really have nukes?
If they do did they make them or have the capability to make more?


Are you impying POTUS is operating based on very bad intel and they don't have nukes?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/22/20/4B6CA1A600000578-5644201-image-a-12_1524425279466.jpg





North Korea's nuclear weapons: What we know

20 Feb 2018

"The entire mainland of the US is within the range of our nuclear weapons and the nuclear button is always on the desk of my office," said North Korean leader Kim Jong-un (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2010/09/2010927205950221159.html) during his 2018 New Year's address.
The Hwasong-15, North Korea's furthest-reaching intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), could theoretically travel about 13,000km. This potentially puts the whole world within range, except for:



Latin America
Antartica


In January 2018, CIA Director Mike Pompeo predicted that North Korea will be capable of striking the US with nukes within "a handful of months".

While North Korea asserts (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/04/north-korea-handle-170414130717870.html)it will keep building up its nuclear arsenal in "quality and quantity", US officials estimate it has 60 (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/08/korea-threatens-missile-strike-territory-guam-170808230004855.html)nuclear weapons, whereas independent experts estimate (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/09/north-korea-produce-20-nuclear-bombs-experts-160914045813448.html) it has enough uranium to produce six new nuclear bombs a year.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/05/north-korea-testing-nuclear-weapons-170504072226461.html

[Swordsmyth]

Are you impying POTUS is operating based on very bad intel and they don't have nukes?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/22/20/4B6CA1A600000578-5644201-image-a-12_1524425279466.jpg

I'm implying that he and everyone else may be lying and that other things are going on behind the scenes.

[enhanced_deficit]

I'm implying that he and everyone else may be lying and that other things are going on behind the scenes.

Ok, while true there are many of fakenews / fake announcements in media lately from various supreme leaders, this question was mainly about deal making skills and for the sake of this question I guess you can assume this is accurate:


In January 2018, CIA Director Mike Pompeo predicted that North Korea will be capable of striking the US with nukes within "a handful of months".

While North Korea asserts (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/04/north-korea-handle-170414130717870.html)it will keep building up its nuclear arsenal in "quality and quantity", US officials estimate it has 60 (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/08/korea-threatens-missile-strike-territory-guam-170808230004855.html)nuclear weapons, whereas independent experts estimate (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/09/north-korea-produce-20-nuclear-bombs-experts-160914045813448.html) it has enough uranium to produce six new nuclear bombs a year.

[Swordsmyth]

Ok, while true there are many of fakenews / fake announcements in media lately from various supreme leaders, this question was mainly about deal making skills and for the sake of this question I guess you can assume this is accurate:

I assume it isn't accurate.

[TheCount]

Nope. My guess is that Kim is just attempting to look reasonable. He'll be able to say "well, I tried, but Trump" and that will be all the excuse that China and Russia need to ignore US sanctions on NK. He's better off without a deal with the US.

[Anti Globalist]

One things for sure. The US troops in SK won't be coming home.

[Swordsmyth]

One things for sure. The US troops in SK won't be coming home.

They might or maybe at least some of them will.

[Anti Globalist]

They might or maybe at least some of them will.
Some of them isn't good enough. I want them all to return home.

[Swordsmyth]

Some of them isn't good enough. I want them all to return home.

I am with you all the way but I will take some over none any day.

[enhanced_deficit]

Left leaning media pushing narrative that our leader got played even before the ink dried on historic agreement:

How Donald Trump Got Played By a Ruthless Dictator North Korea's Kim Jong-un got everything he wanted. What did Trump get?
https://img.wennermedia.com/article-leads-horizontal/gettyimages-971888078-8812b880-7372-4676-94b2-9a8b16ff355c.jpg SAUL LOEB/AFP/Getty Images

By Andy Kroll (https://www.rollingstone.com/contributor/andy-kroll)
1 day ago (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/trump-north-korea-meeting-results-w521438) (https://rol.st/2MkWKfW) (?to=&subject=Rolling%20Stone:%20How%20Donald%20Trump%20 Got%20Played%20By%20a%20Ruthless%20Dictator%20%21&body=Hey,%20I%20saw%20this%20on%20Rolling%20Stone% 20and%20thought%20you%E2%80%99d%20be%20interested% 20in%20it:%20https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/trump-north-korea-meeting-results-w521438?utm_source=email&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=emailshare) (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/trump-north-korea-meeting-results-w521438#)
Before President Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong-un issued their joint statement on Tuesday afternoon in Singapore, before the two men met in private at a luxury hotel on the Singaporean island of Sentosa, before they shook hands with all the world watching, this much was true: Kim Jong-un had already won.

Related https://img.wennermedia.com/featured-promo-320/president-trump-int-13-bugged-abc-jc-180612_hpembed_2_16x9_992-7a3235a9-fdfe-45b1-8e1a-7d10ce027a59.jpg (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/trump-interview-north-korea-w521433) Trump's Post-Game North Korea Interviews Were Shockingly Bad (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/trump-interview-north-korea-w521433) "I don't know that I'll ever admit that, but I'll find some kind of an excuse."

President Trump played right into Kim's hands. He signed his name alongside Kim's on a document that, by most indications, does little to pressure the North Koreans to truly denuclearize while committing to end U.S. joint military exercises with our ally South Korea. (North Korean sanctions will remain in place for now, Trump said.) He praised Kim's "great personality." He said it was a "great honor" to appear alongside Kim (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/trump-praises-kim-jong-un-takes-aim-again-justin-trudeau-n882266).

For Kim, the event was a coming out of sorts, a chance to show himself off to the world. He had a platform unlike any other – and far greater than anything available to him in the closed, impoverished nation he so cruelly presides over. Here was an opportunity to legitimize himself and his nation, to put North Korea on an equal footing with the mighty United States.

By all indications, Kim departed the summit on Tuesday having achieved exactly that. President Trump and the members of his administration validated the North Korean leader in a way like never before. "[Kim] is very talented," Trump said (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-kim-north-korea-gulags-summit-press-questions-a8394661.html) at his post-summit press conference. "Anybody that takes over a situation like he did at 26 years of age and is able to run it and run it tough...You can take 1 out of 10,000 could not do it." Later, Trump told (https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1006469315661615105) ABC's George Stephanopoulos: "He trusts me, and I trust him."

And what did the U.S. get in exchange? A vague, four-point joint statement (https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/12/politics/read-full-text-of-trump-kim-signed-statement/index.html) in which North Korea vaguely commits to the "complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula" with no way to verify that commitment. Trump got played by a dictator half his age.

Let's not forget who Kim Jong-un is. Like his father and grandfather before him, Kim is a dictator and a despot. He runs an authoritarian nation. His government – if you can call it that – is one of the most brutal regimes in the world. A 2014 United Nations investigation accused North Korea of committing "unspeakable atrocities" akin to Nazi Germany. Prison camps, torture, starvation, political repression – they're all features of the North Korean regime.

President Trump knows this. In a speech (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2018/02/01/trump-to-meet-with-north-korean-defectors-in-oval-office-in-bid-to-raise-pressure-on-kim-jong-un/?utm_term=.e40105951c22) to the South Korean parliament last year, Trump spoke of the estimated 100,000 North Koreans suffering "in gulags, toiling in forced labor and enduring torture, starvation, rape and murder on a constant basis." He added, "All responsible nations must join forces to isolate the brutal regime of North Korea – to deny it and any form – any form of it. You cannot support, you cannot supply, you cannot accept."

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/trump-north-korea-meeting-results-w521438

[enhanced_deficit]

Do they really have nukes?
If they do did they make them or have the capability to make more?


North Korea working to conceal key aspects of its nuclear program, U.S. officials say

by Ellen Nakashima and Joby Warrick June 30

U.S. intelligence officials, citing newly obtained evidence, have concluded that North Korea does not intend to fully surrender its nuclear stockpile, and instead is considering ways to conceal the number of weapons it has and secret production facilities, according to U.S. officials.
The evidence, collected in the wake of the June 12 summit (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-celebrates-singapore-accord-with-north-korea-but-substance-has-yet-to-be-revealed/2018/06/12/38970a9a-6e47-11e8-bf86-a2351b5ece99_story.html?utm_term=.6e56967848eb) in Singapore, points to preparations to deceive the United States about the number of nuclear warheads in North Korea’s arsenal as well as the existence of undisclosed facilities used to make fissile material for nuclear bombs, the officials said.

The findings support a new, previously undisclosed Defense Intelligence Agency estimate that North Korea is unlikely to denuclearize.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/north-korea-working-to-conceal-key-aspects-of-its-nuclear-program-us-officials-say/2018/06/30/deba64fa-7c82-11e8-93cc-6d3beccdd7a3_story.html




North Korea believed to be 'deceiving' US, increasing nuclear production: report

By Kathleen Joyce | Fox News (http://video.foxnews.com/v/5801550165001/us-expected-to-present-north-korea-denuclearization-timeline)

U.S. intelligence officials believe North Korea has been “deceiving” the U.S., saying the Hermit Kingdom was bolstering production for nuclear weapons at “multiple secret sites” in the past few months, a report stated.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/30/north-korea-believed-to-be-deceiving-us-increasing-nuclear-production-report.html

[nikcers]

Do you think Trump will succeed in getting North Korea to give up its Nukes?
The powerless don't have any power to give up. This is all about containment of China at this point.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrEqATvtGHA

[Swordsmyth]

North Korea working to conceal key aspects of its nuclear program, U.S. officials say

by Ellen Nakashima and Joby Warrick June 30

U.S. intelligence officials, citing newly obtained evidence, have concluded that North Korea does not intend to fully surrender its nuclear stockpile, and instead is considering ways to conceal the number of weapons it has and secret production facilities, according to U.S. officials.
The evidence, collected in the wake of the June 12 summit (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-celebrates-singapore-accord-with-north-korea-but-substance-has-yet-to-be-revealed/2018/06/12/38970a9a-6e47-11e8-bf86-a2351b5ece99_story.html?utm_term=.6e56967848eb) in Singapore, points to preparations to deceive the United States about the number of nuclear warheads in North Korea’s arsenal as well as the existence of undisclosed facilities used to make fissile material for nuclear bombs, the officials said.

The findings support a new, previously undisclosed Defense Intelligence Agency estimate that North Korea is unlikely to denuclearize.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/north-korea-working-to-conceal-key-aspects-of-its-nuclear-program-us-officials-say/2018/06/30/deba64fa-7c82-11e8-93cc-6d3beccdd7a3_story.html




North Korea believed to be 'deceiving' US, increasing nuclear production: report

By Kathleen Joyce | Fox News

U.S. intelligence officials believe North Korea has been “deceiving” the U.S., saying the Hermit Kingdom was bolstering production for nuclear weapons at “multiple secret sites” in the past few months, a report stated.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/30/north-korea-believed-to-be-deceiving-us-increasing-nuclear-production-report.html

Because we trust anonymous reports citing the deepstate that would be the ones running the scam?

Nothing is certain at this point.

[enhanced_deficit]

That is true, unnamed sources there but this is not uncommon with intel related reporting though.

Iraqi Freedom WMD threat intel claims leaders were shown to the world and we know how true they tirned out to be so. So named sources only matter so much when it comes to intel.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Powell_anthrax_jbc.jpg

[Swordsmyth]

That is true, unnamed sources there but this is not uncommon with intel related reporting though.

Iraqi Freedom WMD threat intel claims leaders were shown to the world and we know how true they tirned out to be so. So named sources only matter so much when it comes to intel.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Powell_anthrax_jbc.jpg

The deepstate part is more important than the anonymous part.

This was deepstate too.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Powell_anthrax_jbc.jpg

[Aratus]

POTUS Number 46 or POTUS Number 47 will eventually bring things closer to the endzone.
Trump merely pulled off a photo-op, IMOHO he may be impeached and convicted over the
next year. The next two presidents will have to carry through with the treaty terms carefully.

[Swordsmyth]

POTUS Number 46 or POTUS Number 47 will eventually bring things closer to the endzone.
Trump merely pulled off a photo-op, IMOHO he may be impeached and convicted over the
next year. The next two presidents will have to carry through with the treaty terms carefully.

LOL

[TheTexan]

Voted yes, because Trump succeeds at everything he does, he's a winner

[Aratus]

I had to vote NO but I admire TheTexan's true grit...

[DamianTV]

Rest assured, someone will twist it so the result has nothing to do with NK giving up Nukes, but Americans giving up Rights.