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Anti Federalist
05-24-2018, 08:07 AM
Trump cancels Singapore summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/24/trump-says-singapore-summit-with-north-korea-leader-kim-is-cancelled-.html

President Donald Trump has canceled his historic summit in Singapore with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un next month.
The meeting, which would have marked the first face-to-face encounter between a sitting U.S. president and a North Korean leader, was set for June 12.

Mike Calia | Michael_Calia

Published 21 Mins Ago Updated 3 Mins Ago
CNBC.com

President Donald Trump has canceled his historic summit in Singapore with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un next month.

The meeting, which would have marked the first face-to-face encounter between a sitting U.S. president and a North Korean leader, was set for June 12.

"Sadly, based on the tremendous anger and open hostility displayed in your most recent statement, I feel it is inappropriate, at this time, to have this long-planned meeting," Trump wrote in a letter to Kim, which was released Thursday morning.


May 24, 2018

His Excellency
Kim Jong Un
Chairman of the State Affairs Commission of the Democractic People's Republic of Korea
Pyongyang

Dear Mr. Chairman:

We greatly appreciate your time, patience, and effort with respect to our recent negotiations and discussions relative to a summit long sought by both parties, which was scheduled to take place on June 12 in Singapore. We were informed that the meeting was requested by North Korea, but that to us is totally irrelevant. I was very much looking forward to being there with you. Sadly, based on the tremendous anger and open hostility displayed in your most recent statement, I feel is inappropriate, at this time, to have this long-planned meeting. Therefore, please let this letter serve to represent that the Singapore summit, for the good of both parties, but to the detriment of the world, will not take place. You talk about your nuclear capabilities, but ours are so massive and powerful that i pray to God they will never have to be used.

I felt a wonderful dialogue was building up between you and me, and ultimately it is only that dialogue that matters. Some day, I look very much forward to meeting you. In the meantime, I want to thank you for the release of the hostages who are now home with their families. That was a beautiful gesture and was very much appreciated.

If you change your mind having to do with this most important summit, please do not hesitate to call me or write. The world, and North Korea in particular, has lost a great opportunity for lasting peace and great prosperity and wealth. This missed opportunity is a truly sad moment in history.
Sincerely yours,

Donald J. Trump
President of the United States of America

shakey1
05-24-2018, 08:11 AM
http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/president-trump-cancels-meeting-with-kim-jong-un

shakey1
05-24-2018, 08:13 AM
I blame Pence.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?522562-Mike-Pence-Kim-Jong-un-Will-End-Up-Like-Libyan-Model-If-He-Doesn-t-Deal

enhanced_deficit
05-24-2018, 08:57 AM
Did NK's Supreme Leader KJU make another 3D chess move by pushing our leader to cancel and keeping a Nobel Peace prize shot for himself still by working with Japan/others?

North Korea warns of nuclear showdown, calls Pence 'political dummy'
(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?522302-North-Korea-threatens-to-cancel-summit-with-Trump&p=6633127&viewfull=1#post6633127)


And unfortunately this cancellation would cause Dems/media to increase attacks like this ahead of midterms:

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/998839663807942656




https://cdnph.upi.com/svc/sv/upi/5921526932661/2018/1/da8557996c9c6d6008e1ba89242c20bb/Trump-administration-releases-North-Korea-summit-coin.jpg



http://www.cartoonistgroup.com/properties/anderson/art_images/cg5afd18a146b7e.jpg



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdypnXBU8AAsqmw.jpgSchumer: Trump should take Kim Jong Un off 'trip coin'
05/22/18
"I urge the White House to take Kim off the coin," Schumer tweeted. "Challenge coins are a time honored tradition and certainly appropriate in this situation, but Kim Jong Un’s face has no place on this coin. He is a brutal dictator and something like the Peace House would be much more appropriate."
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...-off-trip-coin (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/388781-schumer-trump-should-take-kim-jong-un-off-trip-coin)


Related

Did North Korea just yank the football — and Trump's Nobel Prize — away? (http://www.latimes.com/opinion/la-ol-enter-the-fray-did-north-korea-just-yank-the-football-1526419839-htmlstory.html)
Opinion Los Angeles Times 52m ago

North Korea threatens to cancel summit with Trump (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?522302-North-Korea-threatens-to-cancel-summit-with-Trump&)

RonZeplin
05-24-2018, 09:02 AM
Hair envy..

https://i1.wp.com/netmorie.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/b9614025.jpg?w=680

donnay
05-24-2018, 09:36 AM
999667181083295744

klamath
05-24-2018, 09:42 AM
I blame Pence.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?522562-Mike-Pence-Kim-Jong-un-Will-End-Up-Like-Libyan-Model-If-He-Doesn-t-Deal I blame Trump. He appointed Bolton who said it first. Really smart Trump administration, bring up Libya.........

Brian4Liberty
05-24-2018, 09:44 AM
I blame Pence.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?522562-Mike-Pence-Kim-Jong-un-Will-End-Up-Like-Libyan-Model-If-He-Doesn-t-Deal

The neoconservatives don't want peace with NK. The Chinese don't want us to have peace with NK or a Korean reunification.

Pretty hard for it to happen with those odds.

spudea
05-24-2018, 09:50 AM
96284991041974273

AuH20
05-24-2018, 09:50 AM
Bolton is an unmitigated disaster.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/john-boltons-wrecking-ball-takes-down-north-korea-summit

ILUVRP
05-24-2018, 09:53 AM
with pence and bolton on the team there will never be a good result for trump , only get worse .

klamath
05-24-2018, 09:56 AM
Or maybe Trump himself....

“In Libya, we decimated that country,” Trump said, adding that “that model would take place if we don’t make a deal [with North Korea], most likely.” This was nothing short of an overt threat to bring about Kim Jong Un's end should he not show up in Singapore prepared to prove his nuclear weapons program was shut down for good. Trump might not have a nonproliferation scholar's grasp of history, but his conflation of the 2003 and 2011 “Libya models” was ultimately the moment to destroy the summit.

Raginfridus
05-24-2018, 09:58 AM
Orange neocon is a globalist. His team is winning, so why quit winning now? We've got to have as many excuses to stay in the region as we can create.

AuH20
05-24-2018, 10:03 AM
What are our annual military outlays in SK? That's what I want to know.

AuH20
05-24-2018, 10:04 AM
Orange neocon is a globalist. His team is winning, so why quit winning now? We've got to have as many excuses to stay in the region as we can create.

He doesn't even know what a globalist is. He just listens to his 'great' advice.

donnay
05-24-2018, 10:18 AM
I blame Trump. He appointed Bolton who said it first. Really smart Trump administration, bring up Libya.........

I agree, I do not like Bolton at all.

shakey1
05-24-2018, 10:23 AM
Pence/Bolton 2020 :eek:

AuH20
05-24-2018, 10:27 AM
Pence/Bolton 2020 :eek:

Imagine the walkout if they nominate Pence/Haley? I could see a solid 3rd of the Republican voting bloc walking away and never looking back. Pence and Haley could repeat MAGA slogans until they are blue in the face, but it will never change their stripes.

Raginfridus
05-24-2018, 10:29 AM
Keep in mind NK was threatening to cancel anyway, so maybe he thinks canceling the summit before they do preserves his image, or he counts on NK having no other option but to beg for a new summit. So maybe that's his logic.

We're never leaving Asia though, including SK and Japan, so what difference does it really make either way?

juleswin
05-24-2018, 10:34 AM
Senator Rand Paul explained Tuesday that reports of North Korea threatening to cancel the imminent peace summit talks with President Trump are being ‘over-read’, and that the negotiations should go ahead unhindered.

“This is consistent with the historic position [on the exercises] and that is why I wouldn’t over-read what is going on here,” said Senator Paul, who sits on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
“I’m hopeful the talks will still occur and the talks we’re talking about having in Singapore. I think those will still occur.” Paul told Wolf Blitzer on CNN.


“From their perspective, they also feel they gave up the three prisoners and said they are ending military-weapons testing,” Paul continued, adding “They are giving and haven’t seen a little bit on the other side from us.”
“This is just their way of responding and pushing back,” Paul said. “But I don’t think it endangers the upcoming talks.”
The Senator also commented on the Iran nuclear deal, noting that he supports talks between Iran and President Trump, saying “I think that we need more discussion at a higher level with Iran.”

More at: https://www.infowars.com/rand-paul-north-korea-summit-is-still-on/

But but but Rand said the news that NK was threatening to cancel the meeting was over read :rolleyes: This is what happens to the brain when some who was once a respectable politician joins a cult of personality and starts kissing ass. A news that anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together knew was true, Rand comes around to tell us it is exaggerated.

ILUVRP
05-24-2018, 10:40 AM
in the land of the blind a one eyed man would be king

goldenequity
05-24-2018, 10:59 AM
Meanwhile in St. Petersburg: Putin meets Macron
#NotPhotoshop :D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dd-E7JsUQAED8fP.jpg:large


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South Korea's presidential Blue House seems blind-sided by Trump's cancelation of the summit:
"We are attempting to make sense of what, precisely, President Trump means," says spokesman Kim Eui-kyeom.


Pompeo won't comment on reports Trump didn't even bother to give the South Korean government a heads up he was pulling out of the summit.

UPDATE: South Korea's president has just called an emergency meeting at the Blue House, summoning his chief of staff, national security adviser, foreign minister, unification minister and intelligence chief. It's midnight in Seoul. Via Annafifield

South Korean president Moon voices "deep regret" over the cancelation of the U.S.-North Korea summit, urges Trump and Kim to hold direct talks, not to delay denuclearization

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TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WEIGHING NEW SANCTIONS ON NORTH KOREA AS EARLY AS NEXT WEEK -- OFFICIAL: DJ

NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL TO CONVENE AT 5 P.M. TO DISCUSS NORTH KOREA -- ADMIN OFFICIAL: DJ

TRUMP, ASKED ABOUT WAR THREAT: 'WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS...WE ARE IN A VERY STRONG POSITION': DJ

dannno
05-24-2018, 11:24 AM
But but but Rand said the news that NK was threatening to cancel the meeting was over read :rolleyes: This is what happens to the brain when some who was once a respectable politician joins a cult of personality and starts kissing ass. A news that anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together knew was true, Rand comes around to tell us it is exaggerated.

It's not cancelled forever, Trump said any time he wants to re-engage he is welcome and he still wants to have a meeting.

I don't know why everybody freaks out every time something small happens in a negotiation, they make it seem like the end of the world.

Rand doesn't get caught up in all this day to day nonsense and drama, he is better at seeing the bigger picture. Like me. And Trump. And many other people here on this forum.. but not you. Not zippy. Not TheCount. Certainly not CPUd.

I feel like in order to have respect for Trump you can't be one of those people who always gets caught up in the drama for the day. You have to have some patience.

Swordsmyth
05-24-2018, 12:16 PM
I'm going to predict that this is temporary and that a meeting will still take place.

juleswin
05-24-2018, 12:24 PM
It's not cancelled forever, Trump said any time he wants to re-engage he is welcome and he still wants to have a meeting.

I don't know why everybody freaks out every time something small happens in a negotiation, they make it seem like the end of the world.

Rand doesn't get caught up in all this day to day nonsense and drama, he is better at seeing the bigger picture. Like me. And Trump. And many other people here on this forum.. but not you. Not zippy. Not TheCount. Certainly not CPUd.

I feel like in order to have respect for Trump you can't be one of those people who always gets caught up in the drama for the day. You have to have some patience.

Ofc, nothing is cancelled forever. It could still go on but as for now, it is cancelled. That is the point

Btw, I am hurt that you put me in the same category as Zippy and thecount. I thought I was better than that. I am going to cry now.

Danke
05-24-2018, 12:28 PM
Btw, I am hurt that you put me in the same category as Zippy and thecount. I thought I was better than that. I am going to cry now.

If it makes you feel any better, I don't put you in that same category.

twomp
05-24-2018, 12:33 PM
It's okay. Hillary Clinton wouldn't have met with the North Korean leader either. It's tradition here at RPF to defend Trump by invoking the name Hillary Clinton every time Trump does something RPF doesn't like.

juleswin
05-24-2018, 12:39 PM
If it makes you feel any better, I don't put you in that same category.

It does make me feel better. The problem is that sometimes zippy, the count or CPuD sounds like Jules which to some people make em seem like I align with those people all the time. Well sometimes I do but for the most part, I am my own man.

I am open minded, have no sacred cows, follows no cult of personalities and I try to question everything (even the stuff James Corbertt) and that is in essence my motto

Vieux Canard
05-24-2018, 12:56 PM
Pence/Haley 2020!!

shakey1
05-24-2018, 03:17 PM
(snip)

Trump was referring to a statement released yesterday in the name of North Korean vice-foreign minister Choe Son Hui. That letter—arguably the real break-up letter in North Korean-US relations—takes umbrage at vice president Mike Pence’s suggestion that North Korea could end up like Libya, (http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2018/05/21/vp-mike-pence-on-russia-probe-alleged-campaign-surveillance.html) and describes Pence as a “dummy.” More concerning, it explicitly threatens a military attack, warning, “We can also make the US taste an appalling tragedy it has neither experienced nor even imagined up to now.”

https://qz.com/1287942/full-text-of-the-north-korean-statement-that-provoked-donald-trump-to-cancel-a-historic-summit/

dannno
05-24-2018, 03:27 PM
It's okay. Hillary Clinton wouldn't have met with the North Korean leader either. It's tradition here at RPF to defend Trump by invoking the name Hillary Clinton every time Trump does something RPF doesn't like.

Why doesn't RPF like Trump cancelling the meeting? It's probably the best thing that could possibly happen, if Trump is doing it. And it doesn't mean the meeting won't happen, it just needs to happen with the correct terms.

RonZeplin
05-24-2018, 03:45 PM
https://youtu.be/mHywLqNz7uw

Zippyjuan
05-24-2018, 04:05 PM
Why doesn't RPF like Trump cancelling the meeting? It's probably the best thing that could possibly happen, if Trump is doing it. And it doesn't mean the meeting won't happen, it just needs to happen with the correct terms.

If Trump does it, it must be awesome. Guess he doesn't want that Nobel Peace Prize and printed up all those pretty medals for nothing.

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/4bafb69d38ad413e03d946e6e6044e700ec53aab/c=0-71-1024-841&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2018/05/24/USATODAY/USATODAY/636627624973444615-nk-medal.jpg

RonZeplin
05-24-2018, 04:09 PM
Maybe they can update it by adding a mushroom cloud sticker?


If Trump does it, it must be awesome. Guess he doesn't want that Nobel Peace Prize and printed up all those pretty medals for nothing.

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/4bafb69d38ad413e03d946e6e6044e700ec53aab/c=0-71-1024-841&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2018/05/24/USATODAY/USATODAY/636627624973444615-nk-medal.jpg

TheTexan
05-24-2018, 04:33 PM
North Korea will not cancel the summit with Trump.

Noone cancels on Trump.

If anything, Trump will cancel on them.

^^

dannno
05-24-2018, 04:35 PM
^^

BOOM

TheCount
05-24-2018, 04:40 PM
It's not cancelled forever, Trump said any time he wants to re-engage he is welcome and he still wants to have a meeting.

I don't know why everybody freaks out every time something small happens in a negotiation, they make it seem like the end of the world.

Rand doesn't get caught up in all this day to day nonsense and drama, he is better at seeing the bigger picture. Like me. And Trump. And many other people here on this forum.. but not you. Not zippy. Not TheCount. Certainly not CPUd.

I feel like in order to have respect for Trump you can't be one of those people who always gets caught up in the drama for the day. You have to have some patience.
LOL.

Anti Globalist
05-24-2018, 04:47 PM
Good. I didn't want Trump to get involved in this anyway. Now maybe Un and Moon can have a talk that a lead to peace.

Swordsmyth
05-24-2018, 05:06 PM
It appears that Trump "jilted North Korean lover" approach may have been just what the doctor ordered.

Literally minutes after we said (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-24/trump-warns-us-military-ready-if-north-korea-takes-foolish-action)that most experts expected a violent, angry outburst from North Korea's president in response to Trump's unexpected cancellation of the Singapore June 12 summit, such as this comment from Senator Jack Reed...

Spoke w/ @BloombergTV (https://twitter.com/BloombergTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)’s @kevcirilli (https://twitter.com/kevcirilli?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) about Pres Trump pulling out of planned nuclear summit w/ North Korea & how if Pres Trump had taken a more considered approach to Mr. Kim’s initial offer for a summit, we wouldn’t be in this position.https://t.co/vY7HOiFYXf
— Senator Jack Reed (@SenJackReed) May 24, 2018 (https://twitter.com/SenJackReed/status/999775914484477953?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) ... North Korea has come crawling back, virtually begging for a meeting.
In a statement issued by state-run Korean Central News Agency, citing Vice Foreign Minister Kim Kye Gwan, North Korea announced it was willing to sit with the U.S. "whenever, however" through any method to try to resolve the outstanding issues.
Gwan said that whereas President Trump’s announcement to one-sidedly cancel the planned summit is unexpected and very regrettable, North Korea remains unchanged in its aim to do everything possible for the peace and stability of Korean peninsula and humanity, and noted that President Trump's decision to cancel the summit is "not what the world wants" and the summit is necessary to resolve the current hostile bilatereal relationship.
Furthermore, North Korea appears to be backtracking on the recent diplomatic escalation and has effectively apologized, stating that "its previous remarks regarding the U.S.-North Korea summit had been in protest against strong US remarks towards North."
While we await the full KCNA statement, here are the key bullet points courtesy of Reuters and Bloomberg:


NORTH KOREA SAYS TRUMP'S SUMMIT CANCELLATION IS UNEXPECTED
NORTH KOREA SAYS IT'S WILLING TO MEET WITH U.S. AT ANY TIME
NORTH KOREA SAYS IT IS STILL WILLING TO RESOLVE ISSUES WITH UNITED STATES WHENEVER, HOWEVER
NORTH KOREA SAYS U.S.-N.KOREA SUMMIT IS NECESSARY TO RESOLVE CURRENT HOSTILE BILATERAL RELATIONSHIP
NORTH KOREA SAYS IT HAD WISHED `TRUMP MODEL' COULD RESOLVE ISSUES
NORTH KOREA SAYS IT HAD HOPED FOR ISSUES REGARDING N.KOREA TO BE RESOLVED "TRUMP-STYLE"
NORTH KOREA SAYS NO CHANGE IN N. KOREA'S WILL TO DO BEST FOR PEACE
NORTH KOREA SAYS ITS PREVIOUS REMARKS REGARDING U.S.-N.KOREA SUMMIT HAD BEEN IN PROTEST AGAINST STRONG U.S. REMARKS TOWARDS NORTH
N.KOREA HAS WILLINGNESS TO GIVE CHANCE, TIME TO U.S.
NORTH KOREA HAS WILLINGNESS TO GIVE CHANCE, TIME TO U.S.

And the punchline:


NORTH KOREA SAYS CURRENT SITUATION REFLECTS DESPARATE NEED FOR SUMMIT

Or, to summarize North Korea's response to Trump's "dear John" letter:

North Korea right now pic.twitter.com/viFR0KHZa4 (https://t.co/viFR0KHZa4)
— Quoth the Raven (@QTRResearch) May 24, 2018 (https://twitter.com/QTRResearch/status/999782045936242688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) And now the ball is in Trump's court.


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-24/north-korea-comes-crawling-back-stresses-desperate-need-summit-whenever-however


https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FEsuAnPH mEej4I%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1

Swordsmyth
05-24-2018, 05:07 PM
https://media.8ch.net/file_store/0512b30ace9af4ea2599ff64ab31fce443e34032509da3c6eb e14abf38764ce3.jpg

dannno
05-24-2018, 05:22 PM
LOL.

You're right, Trump didn't need that much time this time.


North Korea has come crawling back, virtually begging for a meeting.

Weston White
05-24-2018, 08:29 PM
If governments are truly so great and wonderful, why cannot they even keep their "brown" straight on such matters that should be an agreeable cakewalk among all parties involved, such as promoting the NPT?

Swordsmyth
05-24-2018, 08:32 PM
If governments are truly so great and wonderful, why cannot they even keep their "brown" straight on such matters that should be an agreeable cakewalk among all parties involved, such as promoting the NPT?

Because the world is filled with powerful people who try to manipulate anything to their personal advantage, even if anarchy was achieved they would still exist and act as they always have.

Raginfridus
05-24-2018, 08:39 PM
Kim is not powerful, he's weak. His existence is anything but secure. What you're seeing isn't a madman on a power trip, its a man whose only reed of strength was a failed nuclear program and a decrepit propaganda machine. The US has much to teach the world in those matters...

dannno
05-24-2018, 08:56 PM
Kim is not powerful, he's weak. His existence is anything but secure. What you're seeing isn't a madman on a power trip, its a man whose only reed of strength was a failed nuclear program and a decrepit propaganda machine. The US has much to teach the world in those matters...

What you're seeing is a changed man.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?496584-Presidential-Candidate-Astrologies&p=6513031&viewfull=1#post6513031

enhanced_deficit
05-24-2018, 08:58 PM
Kim is not powerful, he's weak. ...


He could still win peace Prize though.

BTW was Barack Hussein Obama weaker or stronger than Trump when he won Nobel Peace Prize:

Will North Korea's Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un win Nobel Peace Prize? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?522565-Will-North-Korea-s-Supreme-Leader-Kim-Jong-Un-win-Nobel-Peace-Prize&)

Raginfridus
05-24-2018, 09:00 PM
Was Obama weak or strong whenhe win Nobel?

Will North Korea's Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un win Nobel Peace Prize? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?522565-Will-North-Korea-s-Supreme-Leader-Kim-Jong-Un-win-Nobel-Peace-Prize&)

Let's wait until all the facts are in.

Swordsmyth
05-24-2018, 09:40 PM
Update: As if the earlier begging was not enough, it appears Kim wants to make sure that President Trump is aware of his efforts and desire to meet.
Yonhap reports (http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2018/05/25/0200000000AEN20180525002451315.html)that North Korea's state media said Friday the demolition of its only known nuclear test site has demonstrated its "peace-loving" efforts and pursuit of a "total halt" to nuclear tests.
As we detailed yesterda (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-24/north-korea-dismantles-nuke-test-site-amid-eruptions-earth-and-rock)y, North Korea officially demolished the test-site overnight, inviting a number of reporters to witness the event.
And today, the Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) said in English.


"The dismantlement of the nuclear test ground is a vivid manifestation of the DPRK government's fixed peace-loving stand to join in the international aspiration and efforts for total halt to the nuclear test and make positive contribution to building a nuclear free world,"
The KCNA added that the demolition of the tunnels and other surrounding facilities, including a communications center, power systems and observation centers, was carried out "completely" and "with transparency."
* * *

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-24/north-korea-comes-crawling-back-stresses-desperate-need-summit-whenever-however

TheCount
05-24-2018, 09:57 PM
Oh good, Zerohedge. Their excellent analysis of how Trump is awesome and Kim is begging is extremely insightful and informative.

dannno
05-24-2018, 10:15 PM
Oh good, Zerohedge. Their excellent analysis of how Trump is awesome and Kim is begging is extremely insightful and informative.

Not an argument.

TheCount
05-24-2018, 10:18 PM
Not an argument.

Neither is this:


Why doesn't RPF like Trump cancelling the meeting? It's probably the best thing that could possibly happen, if Trump is doing it. And it doesn't mean the meeting won't happen, it just needs to happen with the correct terms.

Or this:


It's not cancelled forever, Trump said any time he wants to re-engage he is welcome and he still wants to have a meeting.

I don't know why everybody freaks out every time something small happens in a negotiation, they make it seem like the end of the world.

Rand doesn't get caught up in all this day to day nonsense and drama, he is better at seeing the bigger picture. Like me. And Trump. And many other people here on this forum.. but not you. Not zippy. Not TheCount. Certainly not CPUd.

I feel like in order to have respect for Trump you can't be one of those people who always gets caught up in the drama for the day. You have to have some patience.

dannno
05-24-2018, 10:35 PM
Neither is this:



Or this:

Of course they are, and they happened to be correct arguments.

TheCount
05-24-2018, 10:52 PM
Of course they are, and they happened to be correct arguments.

This is a philosophy, not an argument:


It's probably the best thing that could possibly happen, if Trump is doing it.


It's also a rather effective and to-the-point summary of your last 15,000 posts.

kahless
05-24-2018, 10:57 PM
Why doesn't RPF like Trump cancelling the meeting? It's probably the best thing that could possibly happen, if Trump is doing it. And it doesn't mean the meeting won't happen, it just needs to happen with the correct terms.

It is not RPF, it is some establishment shills that post here. It should not be forgotten the weekend in 2015 that the Neocons released the #nevertrump strategy it was echoed here full blast by a variety of so called self proclaimed Paul supporters.

dannno
05-24-2018, 11:22 PM
This is a philosophy, not an argument:

No, it's an argument, not a philosophy. Trump has a past history of winning big when it comes to negotiations. If Trump is using a negotiating tactic, you can rest assured that it is probably a good tactic to use at that time based on his history. It turned out that it was a good tactic to use. Argument won.

TheCount
05-24-2018, 11:34 PM
Fake News Alert


Trump has a past history of winning big when it comes to negotiations. If Trump is using a negotiating tactic, you can rest assured that it is probably a good tactic to use at that time based on his history.

Fake News Alert

goldenequity
05-25-2018, 03:23 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dd97Yw5VwAA3NLt.jpg:large

Anti Federalist
05-25-2018, 04:00 AM
If Trump does it, it must be awesome.

I try to remain objective.

There are Trump and non Trump partisans here.

I thought that reaching out to Northern Korea, in an effort to avoid conflict, war and further aggression, in addition to maybe, someday, FFS, bring our forces home, was a bold move.

I remain hopeful that continuing negotiations will bring Kim back to the table and that ultimately, Trump is successful.

That's not blind partisanship nor TDS.

enhanced_deficit
05-25-2018, 05:50 AM
Oh good, Zerohedge. Their excellent analysis of how Trump is awesome and Kim is begging is extremely insightful and informative.

If they are begging, they have funny way of showing it:


White House: North Korea 'stood us up'

By Jamie Tarabay, CNN
Fri May 25, 2018
Last week, the White House sent its deputy chief of staff and his advance team to the city state, the official said. "The North Koreans never showed up. The North Koreans didn't tell us anything. They simply stood us up."
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/25/politics/north-korea-trump-summit-singapore-intl/index.html


I'm going to predict that this is temporary and that a meeting will still take place.

Meeting wihout giving up nukes is what NK have wanted all along and will be big win for them.

Do you think NK will give up Nukes and Mexico will pay for the Wall?


Still there is no proof that the whole thing was 'fakenews' to begin with, although his fixers for this summit don't seem very bright.

'99.9 per cent' chance Trump-Kim Summit will be held as scheduled despite tensions: Seoul official
"We believe there is a 99.9 per cent chance the North Korea-US summit will be held as scheduled," said Mr Chung Eui Yong, chief of South Korea's presidential ...
The Straits Times
3 days ago





I blame Trump. He appointed Bolton who said it first. Really smart Trump administration, bring up Libya.........


with pence and bolton on the team there will never be a good result for trump , only get worse .

In defense of POTUS, he has to surround himself with the best people as promised.

enhanced_deficit
05-25-2018, 05:58 AM
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/11/3e/d4/113ed41805d956660bcbe6b588492fdb.jpg




https://media.8ch.net/file_store/0512b30ace9af4ea2599ff64ab31fce443e34032509da3c6eb e14abf38764ce3.jpg


National debt hits $21 trillion (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?520482-National-debt-hits-21-trillion&)

Government Debt Explosion!...$52,000 per SECOND!...Is the END near? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcGMZ2RCcV8)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcGMZ2RCcV8

enhanced_deficit
05-25-2018, 06:06 AM
Keep in mind NK was threatening to cancel anyway, so maybe he thinks canceling the summit before they do preserves his image, or he counts on NK having no other option but to beg for a new summit. So maybe that's his logic.

We're never leaving Asia though, including SK and Japan, so what difference does it really make either way?

First there is matter of national insult, top White House officials travelled to Singapore for summit prep and NK did not show up and did not even bother to inform our team that they will be not showing up.

Then there is matter of this growing demand from peace loving base of our national leader's party:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFNL_nfH6Vk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFNL_nfH6Vk

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFNL_nfH6Vk)
And to be fair, if their guy can win peace awards, why shouldn't ours?


Yes, Kim Jong Un is receiving an international peace prize

By Adam Taylor August 3, 2015

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_908w/2010-2019/Wires/Images/2015-07-27/Reuters/2015-07-27T162829Z_01_SIN70_RTRIDSP_3_NORTHKOREA-POLITICS.jpg&w=1484
North Korean leader Kim Jong Un visits the Kumsusan Palace of the Sun, where the statues of President Kim Il Sung and leader Kim Jong Il are standing during the 62nd anniversary of the end of the Korean War in this undated photo released by North Korea's Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) in Pyongyang on July 27. (KCNA via Reuters)

Kim Jong Un is hardly a man short on accolades – the problem is, most are given out by the North Korean state (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-koreas-kim-jong-un-adds-marshal-to-list-of-official-titles-cementing-power-over-military/). Later this year, however, the North Korean leader will finally gain some international recognition, joining the likes of Myanmar's Aung San Suu Kyi and India’s Mahatma Gandhi in receiving a statesmanship award from an Indonesian-based organization.
The accolade, given out by the Bali-based Sukarno Education Foundation, honors Kim for his "peace, justice and humanity," Agence France Presse reports (http://jakarta.coconuts.co/2015/08/03/sukarno-education-foundation-defends-awarding-kim-jong-un-peace-prize). The North Korean leader is due to receive the award in September.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...l-peace-prize/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/08/03/yes-kim-jong-un-is-receiving-an-international-peace-prize/)

dannno
05-25-2018, 08:34 AM
Fake News Alert



Fake News Alert

You are quantifiably wrong.

TheCount
05-25-2018, 11:14 AM
You are quantifiably wrong. Do go on.

dannno
05-25-2018, 11:40 AM
Do go on.

Donald Trump has negotiated billions of dollars, very few people on earth have done this.

He started with 14 million, and is now up to at minimum $3 billion in assets according to Forbes, but possibly much higher. Plenty of lotto winners get more than 14 million and end up losing it all.

Also according to Forbes, his net worth went down by $400 million (almost a half a billion!!) just this year since he has been so busy being President.

That just shows you how important he thinks what he is doing is, being President will end up costing him billions of dollars.. he is doing it because he sincerely wants to see America do better and ungrateful fucks like you will still benefit heavily from being in office, even though you don't deserve a god damn thing. You deserve to live in Hillary's shithole.

So again, you are quantifiably wrong and you have no credibility and you live in a leftist echo chamber that has zero basis in reality.

CaptUSA
05-25-2018, 11:55 AM
and you have no credibility ...

Ahem... why don't you just put credibility in the things that the Count says that you like and give him no credibility in the things you don't like? That seems to work out. In fact, that's how you build credibility on forums!





I put a lot of trust in the statements that he says that I like, and much less or zero trust in the statements that he says that I don't like.

That sounds kinda weird, but it actually ends up being pretty accurate in the longrun.

dannno
05-25-2018, 11:57 AM
Ahem... why don't you just put credibility in the things that the Count says that you like and give him no credibility in the things you don't like? That seems to work out. In fact, that's how you build credibility on forums!

Because he has, maybe, one good post out of 20 or 40, and I think the intention of those posts is for gaining credibility and I'm not convinced he believes what he says.

TheCount
05-25-2018, 12:48 PM
Donald Trump has negotiated billions of dollars, very few people on earth have done this.

He started with 14 million, and is now up to at minimum $3 billion in assets according to Forbes, but possibly much higher. Plenty of lotto winners get more than 14 million and end up losing it all.

Also according to Forbes, his net worth went down by $400 million (almost a half a billion!!) just this year since he has been so busy being President.

That just shows you how important he thinks what he is doing is, being President will end up costing him billions of dollars.. he is doing it because he sincerely wants to see America do better and ungrateful fucks like you will still benefit heavily from being in office, even though you don't deserve a god damn thing. You deserve to live in Hillary's shithole.

So again, you are quantifiably wrong and you have no credibility and you live in a leftist echo chamber that has zero basis in reality.


Precisely zero examples of his bigly historical winnings due to his negotiating skills. So much for quantifiable.

But you did manage to find a bunch of room to fit in your typical hero worship and the mandatory BUT HILLARY reference.

Anti-Neocon
05-25-2018, 01:16 PM
https://media.8ch.net/file_store/0512b30ace9af4ea2599ff64ab31fce443e34032509da3c6eb e14abf38764ce3.jpg
At one point I was under the impression that people joined here because they liked liberty and peace, and despised warlords.

Now I see posters all but directly expressing their desire for warlords with jingoistic propaganda. What is this?

Sad!

Swordsmyth
05-25-2018, 01:18 PM
At one point I was under the impression that people joined here because they liked liberty and peace, and despised warlords.

Now I see posters all but directly expressing their desire for warlords with jingoistic propaganda. What is this?

Sad!

One can love peace and still admire strength.
Strength is required for peace.

Swordsmyth
05-25-2018, 01:20 PM
I try to remain objective.

There are Trump and non Trump partisans here.

I thought that reaching out to Northern Korea, in an effort to avoid conflict, war and further aggression, in addition to maybe, someday, FFS, bring our forces home, was a bold move.

I remain hopeful that continuing negotiations will bring Kim back to the table and that ultimately, Trump is successful.

That's not blind partisanship nor TDS.
^^^THIS^^^

Ender
05-25-2018, 01:50 PM
At one point I was under the impression that people joined here because they liked liberty and peace, and despised warlords.

Now I see posters all but directly expressing their desire for warlords with jingoistic propaganda. What is this?

Sad!

Agree.

dannno
05-25-2018, 01:56 PM
Precisely zero examples of his bigly historical winnings due to his negotiating skills. So much for quantifiable.


That is the most retarded thing I've ever read, you must work for the government.

Ender
05-25-2018, 02:01 PM
That is the most retarded thing I've ever read, you must work for the government.

Careful, dannno- people usually call others what they are themselves. :eek::p

dannno
05-25-2018, 02:06 PM
Careful, dannno- people usually call others what they are themselves. :eek::p

That only applies to leftists like TheCount.

People who work in the free market as opposed to government jobs or who are on welfare generally have a better understanding of how value is required to be provided in order to amass wealth. Trump's value to his companies was primarily his negotiating skills and he made a lot of money.

To argue that Trump has poor negotiating skills is like arguing that the best golfer in the world is bad at golf. It is, literally, retarded.

Zippyjuan
05-25-2018, 02:17 PM
I have been saying all along that Korea will never give up their nukes. Trump is wasting his time. But he wants a photo op and so does Kim.

https://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.14326006.1506906425!/httpImage/image.jpeg_gen/derivatives/landscape_768/image.jpeg

TheCount
05-25-2018, 02:34 PM
To argue that Trump has poor negotiating skills is like arguing that the best golfer in the world is bad at golf. It is, literally, retarded.

First, no one argued that Trump has poor negotiating skills. Quite the opposite, you argued that Trump has excellent negotiating skills. So good, in fact, that anything that he does is, by definition, good negotiation.

Your golf analogy is a poor one. The world's best golfer is quantifiably good at golf. One could quote records, games, scores, etc. Although you state that Trump is quantifiably good at negotiating, you are unable to quantify his skill. Instead, all you have is a tautology.

"Trump's negotiations are good because Trump is a good negotiator."

Which, with the slightest bit of critical thought, is actually:

"Trump is a good negotiator because Trump says that he is a good negotiator."

People like you believing the things that he says, even when they are objectively false, is the actual value that he brought to his brand.

It's adorable that you believe that Trump's alleged positive qualities are so self-evident and obvious that you state them as objective, quantifiable fact... Then, when pressed to actually substantiate the thing that you stated, you are unable to do so. I wonder if you ever realize that your beliefs have no basis in fact, or if your reflexive defensiveness is really all that you know.

dannno
05-25-2018, 03:03 PM
First, no one argued that Trump has poor negotiating skills.


Precisely zero examples of his bigly historical winnings due to his negotiating skills. So much for quantifiable.


..

Swordsmyth
05-25-2018, 03:05 PM
A day after President Trump declared that the historic summit planned between the US and North Korea had been cancelled, Trump appeared to pull off another pivot on Friday when he kept hopes of a meeting alive, saying that the Singapore meeting may still happen as scheduled on June 12, just hours after North Korea said they are very eager to get back to the negotiating table, and that the only reason for Pyongyang's harsh language was because it was responding to similar language by the US.

"We'll see what happens," Trump told reporters at the White House on his way to Annapolis adding that "it could even be the 12th. We're talking to them now. They very much want to do it. We'd like to do it. We'll see what happens" and then explained his negotiating strategy: "everybody plays games."

"We're going to see what happens, we're talking to them now."

President Trump says North Korea summit with Kim Jong-un could still be possible on 12 June https://t.co/eMeK1Oyldi pic.twitter.com/BRjgtAnmeT (https://t.co/BRjgtAnmeT)
— BBC News (World) (@BBCWorld) May 25, 2018 (https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1000014330610442240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) Trump credited the North's "very nice statement" for prompting the US to reconsider its cancellation.
Shortly after, Reuters reported that Mattis echoed Trump's optimismsaying that he had received "possibly good news" on the June 12 summit which "may be on if diplomats can pull it off."


MATTIS SAYS RECEIVED POSSIBLY GOOD NEWS ON N.KOREA SUMMIT: RTRS
MATTIS SAYS SUMMIT MAY BE ON IF DIPLOMATS CAN PULL IT OFF: RTRS

Earlier in the day, Trump welcomed the conciliatory statement from North Korea saying it remained open to talks. Trump tweeted (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/999986971660423170)"Very good news to receive the warm and productive statement from North Korea. We will soon see where it will lead, hopefully to long and enduring prosperity and peace. Only time (and talent) will tell!"

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-25/north-korea

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FEsuAnPH mEej4I%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1

https://media.8ch.net/file_store/0512b30ace9af4ea2599ff64ab31fce443e34032509da3c6eb e14abf38764ce3.jpg

dannno
05-25-2018, 03:06 PM
Your golf analogy is a poor one. The world's best golfer is quantifiably good at golf. One could quote records, games, scores, etc. Although you state that Trump is quantifiably good at negotiating, you are unable to quantify his skill. Instead, all you have is a tautology.

"Trump's negotiations are good because Trump is a good negotiator."

Which, with the slightest bit of critical thought, is actually:

"Trump is a good negotiator because Trump says that he is a good negotiator."


Wrong.


Donald Trump has negotiated billions of dollars, very few people on earth have done this.

He started with 14 million, and is now up to at minimum $3 billion in assets according to Forbes, but possibly much higher. Plenty of lotto winners get more than 14 million and end up losing it all.


You've got to be the lowest value poster in the world. Even zippy, occasionally, posts something with some factual basis, or at least it could have some factual basis - there is at least an appearance of a factual basis.

All you post is cancer slop.

TheCount
05-26-2018, 12:30 AM
..
You made the claim. I asked you for evidence of his his alleged skill. You gave none.

dannno
05-26-2018, 12:33 AM
You made the claim. I asked you for evidence of his his alleged skill. You gave none.

Of course I gave evidence, but apparently you are a leftist or something and don't understand that making that much money in his position requires very good negotiation skills. Try working for somebody besides the government.

Swordsmyth
05-26-2018, 03:26 PM
North Korea's president Kim Jong Un held a surprise two-hour second summit with South Korean President Moon Jae-in at the truce village of Panmunjom on Saturday afternoon to pave way for a summit between North Korea and the United States.
The South Korean presidential office said the two leaders met at the DPRK side of the border village of Panmunjom from 3:00 pm to 5:00 pm local time on Saturday, where they "candidly discussed the potential Trump-Kim summit", and exchanged their opinions on implementing the April 27 Panmunjom Declaration.


Moon will release the result of the summit at 10:00 a.m. local time on Sunday, South Korea's Blue House said, without elaborating further.
The two leaders previously met on the South Korean side of Panmunjom on April 27, reaching a historic agreement on the complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula and the change of the current armistice agreement into a peace treaty.
https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/kim%20moon%202.jpg
Their second summit came after U.S. President Donald Trump said on Friday that the United States will possibly reinstate the meeting with Kim. Late on Friday Trump said that "we are having very productive talks with North Korea about reinstating the Summit which, if it does happen, will likely remain in Singapore on the same date, June 12th., and, if necessary, will be extended beyond that date."

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...president-moon (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-26/kim-jong-un-holds-surprise-meeting-south-korea-president-moon)

Swordsmyth
05-26-2018, 03:35 PM
The White House said on Saturday its pre-advance team for the U.S.-North Korea summit will head to Singapore as scheduled, signaling that the high-stakes meeting President Donald Trump abruptly cancelled just days ago could be back on track.

More at: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/26/whit...scheduled.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/26/white-house-spokesperson-pre-advance-team-for-us-north-korea-summit-in-singapore-to-leave-as-scheduled.html)

enhanced_deficit
05-26-2018, 03:40 PM
If our visionary leader succeeded in getting NK to give up its nukes, that would be huge win, put Nobel Prize win back in the play and negate this narrative spreading in media:



MJ guest suggests President Trump has never succeeded at making a good deal (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?522601-MJ-guest-suggests-President-Trump-has-never-succeeded-at-making-a-good-deal&)

Donald Trump, deal-breaker in chief

The Editorial Board, USA Today Published 3:31 p.m. ET May 24, 2018

President Donald Trump calls the summit's cancellation a "tremendous setback" for North Korea and the world. USA TODAY

North Korea summit joins the art of the deal-breaking list of Paris climate accord, TPP, Iran nuclear deal, NAFTA, DACA: Our view


https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/46d5e3175489ac421f86ab5ca0f954a53ac85f4e/c=299-0-4966-3509&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2018/05/24/USATODAY/USATODAY/636627722547442836-trump.ourview.JPG
(Photo: Evan Vucci, AP)


Thursday's collapse of a highly anticipated nuclear summit between President Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un is a stark and disturbing reminder of the chasm between what the president says he can do and reality.
Trump sold himself to voters as the great negotiator, the ultimate problem-solver. "I alone can fix it," he said in his acceptance remarks at the Republican convention about rigged systems.
The pitch worked. Supporters rightly fed up with years of congressional gridlock and a declining manufacturing base were certain that Trump would make great deals. Was he not, after all, the billionaire real estate wheeler-dealer whose name was synonymous with gold-plated success?

But after 16 months as president, Trump has shown himself less talented at making new deals than at breaking existing ones. The list of broken or endangered agreements keeps growing: The Paris climate accord. The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade agreement. The Iran nuclear deal. The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). The Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) policy.
In other words, Trump's pretty good at deal-breaking.It's deal-making where he stumbles:





If it just ended with phot op and NK kept its nukes, it will be major win for NK's Peace Prize winning leader who wanted recognition and meetings with top US leaders without giving up nukes.

Zippyjuan
05-26-2018, 03:42 PM
Nukes are the only reason Trump is paying them any attention. They aren't going to give them all up. Then they have nothing again. With them, they are somebody.

Swordsmyth
05-27-2018, 06:05 PM
President Donald Trump (https://www.upi.com/topic/Donald_Trump/) said a plan for a June 12 summit in Singapore with Kim Jong Un (https://www.upi.com/topic/Kim_Jong_Un/) "hasn't changed" and the North Korean leader reiterated his commitment to the historic meeting. South Korean President Moon Jae (https://www.upi.com/topic/Moon-Jae/)-in, after meeting Saturday with the regime leader, told reporters Sunday (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-27/trump-says-u-s-north-korea-talks-start-after-moon-meets-kim) "that Chairman Kim and I have agreed that the June 12 summit should be held successfully, and that our quest for the Korean peninsula's denuclearisation and a perpetual peace regime should not be halted."

Trump said arrangements are "moving along very nicely," including sessions Sunday in North Korea. Trump made the comments Saturday night (https://publicpool.kinja.com/subject-remarks-by-president-trump-in-meeting-with-u-s-1826353117) about the summit from the Oval Office (https://www.upi.com/topic/Oval_Office/) as he welcomed Josh Holt, an American prisoner released by Venezuela.
"A lot of people are working on it," Trump said. "It's moving along very nicely. We're looking at June 12 in Singapore. That hasn't changed. And it's moving along pretty well, so we'll see what happens."
On Sunday, a U.S. advance team departed Japan and arrived at Tongilgak in North Korea -- north of the demilitarized zoned -- for planning meetings that are expected to continue Monday and Tuesday, Heather Nauert (https://www.upi.com/topic/Heather-Nauert/), a State Department spokesman, told The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/us-officials-hold-summit-preparation-talks-despite-uncertainty-surrounding-meeting/2018/05/27/870c8196-61ae-11e8-b166-fea8410bcded_story.html?utm_term=.1e8c34d24aa4).

Trump said preparation meetings are going on "as we speak in a certain location which I won't name, like the location, it's not very far from here."

More at: https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2018/05/27/Trump-June-12-summit-plan-hasnt-changed-Kim-Still-committed/8891527427921/

TheCount
05-27-2018, 09:05 PM
Of course I gave evidence, but apparently you are a leftist or something and don't understand that making that much money in his position requires very good negotiation skills. Try working for somebody besides the government.

The very definition of circular logic.

dannno
05-27-2018, 09:07 PM
The very definition of circular logic.

The very definition of leftist logic.

Swordsmyth
05-27-2018, 09:08 PM
The very definition of circular logic.

You should know.

Swordsmyth
05-28-2018, 04:46 PM
South Korean President Moon Jae-in could make a trip to Singapore for a three-way summit with his U.S. and North Korean counterparts next month, depending on the outcome of ongoing discussions between Washington and Pyongyang, a ranking government official here said Monday.
The trip, if made, will likely be made around June 12 when U.S. President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong-un are scheduled to hold their bilateral summit, the official from Seoul’s presidential office Cheong Wa Dae said.
“The discussions are just getting started, so we are still waiting to see how they come out, but depending on their outcome, the president could join President Trump and Chairman Kim in Singapore,” the official told Yonhap News Agency, while speaking on condition of anonymity.

More at: http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2018/05/28/0200000000AEN20180528003800315.html

enhanced_deficit
05-28-2018, 08:24 PM
With the apparent un-cancellation, following narrative should not be allowed to resonate within media circuit.

From other discussion:

"No one cancels on North Korea's Supreme Leader"

But the latest narrative emerging among some critics ("No one cancels on North Korea's Supreme Leader") seems bit reckless. Also Pelosi mocked POTUS' letter to NK's leader as "Valentine" and Trump quickly withdrew meeting cancellation call/agreed to meet again right after NK called sitting US Vice President and prominent rep of Christian Evangelical community Mike Pence "stupid", "political dummy (https://news.sky.com/story/north-korea-brands-mike-pence-stupid-as-it-warns-of-nuclear-showdown-with-us-11383609)". However this should be seen as showing a bigger heart by not responding to NK's Pence insults with counter-insults and not as folding.

http://img1-azcdn.newser.com/square-image/259694-20180524050957/n-korea-threatens-war-slams-stupid-mike-pence.jpeg


From:
Trump Almost Always Folds (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?522641-Trump-Almost-Always-Folds&)

Swordsmyth
05-28-2018, 08:28 PM
With the apparent un-cancellation, following narrative should not be allowed to resonate within media circuit.

From other discussion:

"No one cancels on North Korea's Supreme Leader"

But the latest narrative emerging among some critics ("No one cancels on North Korea's Supreme Leader") seems bit reckless. Also Pelosi mocked POTUS' letter to NK's leader as "Valentine" and Trump quickly withdrew meeting cancellation call/agreed to meet again right after NK called sitting US Vice President and prominent rep of Christian Evangelical community Mike Pence "stupid", "political dummy (https://news.sky.com/story/north-korea-brands-mike-pence-stupid-as-it-warns-of-nuclear-showdown-with-us-11383609)". However this should be seen as showing a bigger heart by not responding to NK's Pence insults with counter-insults and not as folding.

http://img1-azcdn.newser.com/square-image/259694-20180524050957/n-korea-threatens-war-slams-stupid-mike-pence.jpeg


From:
Trump Almost Always Folds (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?522641-Trump-Almost-Always-Folds&)

LOL

Kim folded and came crawling back begging for a meeting.

enhanced_deficit
05-28-2018, 08:35 PM
LOL

Kim folded and came crawling back begging for a meeting.


This is very funny way of showing their crawl.



White House starts selling Summit Coins, ramps up Nobel Prize chatter:

https://cdnph.upi.com/svc/sv/upi/5921526932661/2018/1/da8557996c9c6d6008e1ba89242c20bb/Trump-administration-releases-North-Korea-summit-coin.jpg



Korea's team threatens to cancel, doesn't show up for meeting prep, insults US VP and threatens nuclear showdown:


White House: North Korea 'stood us up'
Fri May 25, 2018
Last week, the White House sent its deputy chief of staff and his advance team to the city state, the official said. "The North Koreans never showed up. The North Koreans didn't tell us anything. They simply stood us up."
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/25/polit...ntl/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/25/politics/north-korea-trump-summit-singapore-intl/index.html)

http://img1-azcdn.newser.com/square-image/259694-20180524050957/n-korea-threatens-war-slams-stupid-mike-pence.jpeg


US cancels
No public apology from NK to Pence/US
US Un-cancels

Swordsmyth
05-28-2018, 08:45 PM
This is very funny way of showing their crawl.



White House starts selling Summit Coins, ramps up Nobel Prize chatter:

https://cdnph.upi.com/svc/sv/upi/5921526932661/2018/1/da8557996c9c6d6008e1ba89242c20bb/Trump-administration-releases-North-Korea-summit-coin.jpg



Korea's team threatens to cancel, doesn't show up for meeting prep, insults US VP and threatens nuclear showdown:


White House: North Korea 'stood us up'
Fri May 25, 2018
Last week, the White House sent its deputy chief of staff and his advance team to the city state, the official said. "The North Koreans never showed up. The North Koreans didn't tell us anything. They simply stood us up."
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/25/polit...ntl/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/25/politics/north-korea-trump-summit-singapore-intl/index.html)

http://img1-azcdn.newser.com/square-image/259694-20180524050957/n-korea-threatens-war-slams-stupid-mike-pence.jpeg


US cancels
No public apology from NK to Pence/US
US Un-cancels

^^^FAKE NEWS^^^


Real News:

It appears that Trump "jilted North Korean lover" approach may have been just what the doctor ordered.

Literally minutes after we said (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-24/trump-warns-us-military-ready-if-north-korea-takes-foolish-action)that most experts expected a violent, angry outburst from North Korea's president in response to Trump's unexpected cancellation of the Singapore June 12 summit, such as this comment from Senator Jack Reed...

Spoke w/ @BloombergTV (https://twitter.com/BloombergTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)’s @kevcirilli (https://twitter.com/kevcirilli?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) about Pres Trump pulling out of planned nuclear summit w/ North Korea & how if Pres Trump had taken a more considered approach to Mr. Kim’s initial offer for a summit, we wouldn’t be in this position.https://t.co/vY7HOiFYXf
— Senator Jack Reed (@SenJackReed) May 24, 2018 (https://twitter.com/SenJackReed/status/999775914484477953?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
... North Korea has come crawling back, virtually begging for a meeting.
In a statement issued by state-run Korean Central News Agency, citing Vice Foreign Minister Kim Kye Gwan, North Korea announced it was willing to sit with the U.S. "whenever, however" through any method to try to resolve the outstanding issues.
Gwan said that whereas President Trump’s announcement to one-sidedly cancel the planned summit is unexpected and very regrettable, North Korea remains unchanged in its aim to do everything possible for the peace and stability of Korean peninsula and humanity, and noted that President Trump's decision to cancel the summit is "not what the world wants" and the summit is necessary to resolve the current hostile bilatereal relationship.
Furthermore, North Korea appears to be backtracking on the recent diplomatic escalation and has effectively apologized, stating that "its previous remarks regarding the U.S.-North Korea summit had been in protest against strong US remarks towards North."
While we await the full KCNA statement, here are the key bullet points courtesy of Reuters and Bloomberg:



NORTH KOREA SAYS TRUMP'S SUMMIT CANCELLATION IS UNEXPECTED
NORTH KOREA SAYS IT'S WILLING TO MEET WITH U.S. AT ANY TIME
NORTH KOREA SAYS IT IS STILL WILLING TO RESOLVE ISSUES WITH UNITED STATES WHENEVER, HOWEVER
NORTH KOREA SAYS U.S.-N.KOREA SUMMIT IS NECESSARY TO RESOLVE CURRENT HOSTILE BILATERAL RELATIONSHIP
NORTH KOREA SAYS IT HAD WISHED `TRUMP MODEL' COULD RESOLVE ISSUES
NORTH KOREA SAYS IT HAD HOPED FOR ISSUES REGARDING N.KOREA TO BE RESOLVED "TRUMP-STYLE"
NORTH KOREA SAYS NO CHANGE IN N. KOREA'S WILL TO DO BEST FOR PEACE
NORTH KOREA SAYS ITS PREVIOUS REMARKS REGARDING U.S.-N.KOREA SUMMIT HAD BEEN IN PROTEST AGAINST STRONG U.S. REMARKS TOWARDS NORTH
N.KOREA HAS WILLINGNESS TO GIVE CHANCE, TIME TO U.S.
NORTH KOREA HAS WILLINGNESS TO GIVE CHANCE, TIME TO U.S.


And the punchline:



NORTH KOREA SAYS CURRENT SITUATION REFLECTS DESPARATE NEED FOR SUMMIT


Or, to summarize North Korea's response to Trump's "dear John" letter:

North Korea right now pic.twitter.com/viFR0KHZa4 (https://t.co/viFR0KHZa4)
— Quoth the Raven (@QTRResearch) May 24, 2018 (https://twitter.com/QTRResearch/status/999782045936242688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
And now the ball is in Trump's court.


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...enever-however (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-24/north-korea-comes-crawling-back-stresses-desperate-need-summit-whenever-however)


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dannno
05-29-2018, 12:39 AM
Nukes are the only reason Trump is paying them any attention. They aren't going to give them all up. Then they have nothing again. With them, they are somebody.

Projecting much??

Trump knows NK is a relic that the deep state created that they use as a distraction and a war mongering tactic.. it's nothing more than a psychological ploy that is really bad and unfair for all those involved. So he is ending it.

The mainstream media is trying to stir up animosity and drama on all sides, they don't want it to happen.. hence the fake news enhanced_deficit has been posting.. but a peaceful resolution to the NK conflict has been something that Trump has been working very hard on since he got into office.

Swordsmyth
05-29-2018, 12:58 AM
The U.S. will hold off on applying major new sanctions against North Korea while it tries to put back on track a June meeting between President Trump (http://thehill.com/people/donald-trump) and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, The Wall Street Journal reported on Monday.
A U.S. official told the Journal (https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-prepares-sanctions-while-pursuing-revived-north-korea-talks-1527526255?mod=e2tw) that the White House had been set to announce the sanctions as soon as Tuesday but will now delay them indefinitely as negotiations with North Korea continue.

More at: http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/389645-us-pauses-new-north-korea-sanctions-as-officials-try-to-reset-trump

Swordsmyth
05-29-2018, 04:07 PM
In the latest sign that the recently "canceled" US-North Korea summit - which as we and so many others speculated was merely a negotiating ploy by Trump - is now fully back on, North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has sent one of his top aides to New York to meet with US officials in New York this week, Bloomberg (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-29/kim-jong-un-sends-aide-to-u-s-for-pre-summit-talks-yonhap-says) reported. President Trump announced the official's impending arrival in a tweet sent early Tuesday.
Kim Yong Chol, the former head of North Korea's spy agency, is the highest-ranking NK official to visit the US since 2000, when Vice Marshal Jo Myong Rok met with then-President Bill Clinton. This time, Kim will meet with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. The meeting is the latest sign that preparations for the June 12 summit in Singapore are rapidly progressing.

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-29/north-korea-sends-senior-official-new-york-prepare-summit

Swordsmyth
06-01-2018, 08:26 PM
The on-again, off-again relationship between President Trump and North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un continued this Friday when the President announced that the historic peace summit in Singapore on June 12 will proceed as planned. This comes just one week after President Trump announced the summit had been canceled due to Kim Jong Un showing bad faith.
President Trump's announcement to continue the summit came after receiving a letter, which was "hand delivered to the White House by the dictator's top envoy (http://www.cnn.com/2018/05/30/politics/kim-yong-chol-new-york/index.html)," according to CNN. Though Trump acknowledged he had not yet read the letter, he said contents were "very interesting."

Speaking with reporters, the President adopted an optimistic tone, saying that recent gestures from North Korea, including their threats of nuclear bombings, were a thing of the past.
"I think we're over that, totally over that, and now we're going to deal and we're going to really start a process," Trump said after meeting with the North Korean envoy, another historic meeting in the long list of historic meetings that have occurred in recent weeks.
"We're meeting with the chairman on June 12 and I think it's probably going to be a very successful — ultimately a successful process," Trump said. "We'll see. Remember what I say. We will see what we will see, but I think it's going to be a process that we deserve to have."

More at: https://www.dailywire.com/news/31355...&utm_content=1 (https://www.dailywire.com/news/31355/north-korea-peace-summit-back-paul-bois?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=idealmedia&utm_campaign=dailywire.com&utm_term=68731&utm_content=1)