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Anti Federalist
05-14-2018, 07:54 PM
That's one of the troubles with the Beltwaytarian crowd, like those at Reason.

Logic?

There is no fucking logic, government does it because it can.




Sacramento Wants to Boost Rail Ridership By Banning Drive-Throughs and Gas Stations Near Transit

http://reason.com/blog/2018/05/14/sacramento-wants-to-boost-rail-ridership

The logic of the policy is perplexing.

Christian Britschgi|May. 14, 2018 3:45 pm

New York, which saw subway ridership plunge by 30 million trips from 2016 to 2017, is cracking down on transit's competition, with politicians pondering a cap on the number of rideshare vehicles allowed in the city and a mandatory floor for Uber and Lyft prices. Los Angeles, where transit use is stubbornly stuck at about 5 percent of all trips, is spending billions to build out its light rail network and cluster more development around transit stops. Washington is investing in flashy marketing campaigns and a new merch shop to reverse its Metro system's near 20 percent decline in ridership since 2012.

But Sacramento has the most creative approach. Absurd, but creative. City staff there are drafting an ordinance that would ban building new gas stations, drive-throughs, and other auto-related businesses within a quarter mile of any of the city's 23 light rail stations. (Also to be prohibited, for reasons unclear: marijuana cultivation sites.) Other businesses "not considered transit-supportive"—car lots, auto repair businesses, manufacturing sites, wholesale outlets—would still be allowed, but only if the city grants them a special permit.

Preexisting businesses would be grandfathered in.

Though the plan is still in the early stages, the Sacramento Bee reports that it has already attracted support from some city councilmen and from the Sacramento Regional Transit (SacRT), which operates the city's buses and light rail network. "I'm encouraged that this will attract new riders," SacRT head Henry Li tells the Bee.

How exactly this is supposed to attract new riders is a bit of a mystery.

Would a motorist really decide to switch to transit if using a drive-through window is not an option, or would he instead just patronize a different fast-food joint that's further away from a light rail station? Would someone really leave her car at home because she can't gas up near a transit stop that she isn't using already?

If anything, this seems like it would further deter light rail by inconveniencing people whose commutes involve a mix of transit and driving. It's fair to assume that fewer people will use the 16 park-and-rides located at Sacramento's light rail stations if they can't get gas or food anywhere nearby.

The way city planners explain it, booting businesses that cater to motorists will open up room for new development that will better serve riders, thus boosting ridership.

"You wouldn't ride light rail to a gas station, but you would ride it to buy groceries, get a haircut or have a meal," city planner Jim McDonald tells the Bee.

Yet the businesses targeted by this ordinance can and do cater to both transit-takers and motorists alike. After all, restaurants with drive-through windows typically have dining rooms too. And plenty of gas stations make money selling not just low-margin gas but soda, snacks, and cigarettes.

Surely some businesses would think twice about locating near light rail if they knew that their access to customers who drive will be curtailed. Serving a transit-only crowd probably doesn't sound very enticing right now, given that the number of people using Sacramento's transit system has been spiraling downward for years. In 2017 alone, ridership declined by about 10 percent.

That reflects a larger trend. In fiscal year 2009, the city's two light rail lines serviced an average of 58,000 riders every weekday. By the end of fiscal year 2016, that number had fallen to about 44,600 weekday riders, even though the city had opened a whole new light rail line during that time. According to a study by the Cato Institute's Randal O'Toole, less than 3 percent of commutes are taken via transit in the Sacramento urban area.

Transportation works best when people can make real choices about what mode of travel works best for them, and when businesses can dynamically respond to those choices. Policy makers' role should be to facilitate these choices, not to try to reverse them—and especially not with a measure as hamfisted as this one.

Raginfridus
05-14-2018, 07:59 PM
If there is no need for rail, just create one.

Anti Federalist
05-14-2018, 08:20 PM
If there is no need for rail, just create one.

I'm sure they will get there soon enough.

timosman
05-14-2018, 08:40 PM
Is this protectionism?

Brian4Liberty
05-14-2018, 10:10 PM
You will use public transit. Big Mommy insists...plus it's a great place to shoot up, for those so inclined.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gT5NULvRSk

Brian4Liberty
05-14-2018, 10:24 PM
And it's so entertaining...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsq3CQKy034

Brian4Liberty
05-14-2018, 10:41 PM
Pro tip: always bring an old cell phone with you on public transit...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjJuw354vkU

Brian4Liberty
05-14-2018, 10:53 PM
Nevermind. Nothing to see here. Move along. All is well.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TVIBKwJKzc

timosman
05-14-2018, 10:58 PM
Nevermind. Nothing to see here. Move along. All is well.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC5UTUAxgpE

Occam's Banana
05-15-2018, 08:39 AM
[...]

Logic?

There is no fucking logic, government does it because it can.

Sacramento Wants to Boost Rail Ridership By Banning Drive-Throughs and Gas Stations Near Transit

[...] Sacramento has the most creative approach. Absurd, but creative. City staff there are drafting an ordinance that would ban building new gas stations, drive-throughs, and other auto-related businesses within a quarter mile of any of the city's 23 light rail stations. (Also to be prohibited, for reasons unclear: marijuana cultivation sites.) Other businesses "not considered transit-supportive"—car lots, auto repair businesses, manufacturing sites, wholesale outlets—would still be allowed, but only if the city grants them a special permit.

[...]

Sheep require shepherds.

Brian4Liberty
05-15-2018, 11:37 AM
Everyone should spend time everyday in a homeless shelter, an insane asylum and a drug den. It's by design...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6epfLeWqsI

Anti Federalist
05-15-2018, 11:56 AM
And it's so entertaining...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsq3CQKy034

Watched a crackhead like that down in Miami, kept an eye on him until he snatched a woman's purse, hauled ass and caught him just outside the Walgreens on South Beach.

Pulled a knife, I pulled my sidearm and lit him up with the laser sight.

And amazingly, he calmed down.

How about that?

CaptUSA
05-15-2018, 12:42 PM
So glad the pious planners are at it again. What would we ever do without them?

Brian4Liberty
05-15-2018, 01:00 PM
Watched a crackhead like that down in Miami, kept an eye on him until he snatched a woman's purse, hauled ass and caught him just outside the Walgreens on South Beach.

Pulled a knife, I pulled my sidearm and lit him up with the laser sight.

And amazingly, he calmed down.

How about that?

Good work.

Interesting. So some portion of the "crazy" may be an act based on what pays the best and what they can get away with?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02sAYGl6uew

Anti Federalist
05-15-2018, 02:33 PM
Good work.

Interesting. So some portion of the "crazy" may be an act based on what pays the best and what they can get away with?

I'm convinced of it.

Or maybe you need extra servings of crazy to keep acting up when a laser and gun barrel is pointed at your chest from 10 feet away.

Great scene from a great movie produced by a great libertarian activist, btw.

RIP John Russo.

dannno
05-15-2018, 02:58 PM
Nevermind. Nothing to see here. Move along. All is well.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TVIBKwJKzc

1:18

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oyarde
05-15-2018, 02:59 PM
Sacramento is devoid of logic and has been for some time . Nor will it ever be restored until they are all dead .

TheTexan
05-15-2018, 03:01 PM
These new rules would work very well with a big increase in gas taxes. A lot of synergy to be found there. Just a thought.

Brian4Liberty
05-15-2018, 06:52 PM
These new rules would work very well with a big increase in gas taxes. A lot of synergy to be found there. Just a thought.

Of course. Raising gas taxes is a given. But that doesn't work anymore on electric vehicles. Think about this: a tax on tires. No one can drive without tires.

Swordsmyth
05-15-2018, 06:55 PM
Of course. Raising gas taxes is a given. But that doesn't work anymore on electric vehicles. Think about this: a tax on tires. No one can drive without tires.
Higher electricity taxes perhaps?

Brian4Liberty
05-15-2018, 06:58 PM
Higher electricity taxes perhaps?

Most definitely. And parking fees too. Thinking like a progressive is easy!

Anti Globalist
05-15-2018, 07:28 PM
Is there anything California doesn't want to get banned.?

Swordsmyth
05-15-2018, 07:32 PM
Is there anything California doesn't want to get banned.?

Perversion.....Communism...... Pretty much anything normal humans would want banned.

Brian4Liberty
05-15-2018, 07:50 PM
Is there anything California doesn't want to get banned.?

Must ban electric scooters. Only publik transport for you, comrade.

It's funny to hear the dance that these progressive companies do with the Big Mommy government. "We love regulation. Just tell us what to do and we will jump through your hoops. Please don't ban us. We love Big Brother."

People In San Francisco Are Really Pissed Over These Electric Scooters (HBO)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2SK_60VpHs