NFL Star Reggie Bush Gets Conservative On Twitter

[Swordsmyth]

https://www.dailywire.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_full/public/uploads/2018/05/reggie_bush_gi.jpg?itok=FpbVvA0P

It looks like someone poisoned the entertainment well with conservative ideology. On Sunday morning, former NFL star and Kim Kardashian-boyfriend Reggie Bush went into a conservative line of questioning over the Internal Revenue Service (IRS).
"This might be a dumb question so I’m apologizing ahead of time but who audits the IRS?" Bush asked via Twitter. "How do we know exactly where our tax dollars go and that they are being used the right way?"

This might be a dumb question so I’m apologizing ahead of time but who audits the IRS? How do we know exactly where our tax dollars go and that they are being used the right way?
— Reggie Bush (@ReggieBush) April 29, 2018 (https://twitter.com/ReggieBush/status/990656910280933376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

Bush, aligning himself with the principle of fiscal responsibility, makes a great point about the abundance of monetary waste and lack of real transparency in our federal tax system.

More at: https://www.dailywire.com/news/30072/culture-shift-nfl-star-reggie-bush-gets-amanda-prestigiacomo?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=idealmedia&utm_campaign=dailywire.com&utm_term=68731&utm_content=2229274

[Anti Globalist]

First Kayne, now Reggie Bush? What other black celebrities are going to break the mold?

[jmdrake]

First Kayne, now Reggie Bush? What other black celebrities are going to break the mold?

Reggie Bush was being serious. Kayne is trolling. Slavery a choice (http://time.com/5263242/kanye-west-slavery-tweets-history/)? :rolleyes: If it was a choice then why wasn't Dred Scott freed when he told the Supreme Court "I choose not to be a slave anymore?"

It's not hard to find a black person who makes over 6 figures who doesn't like the IRS. Ummm.....Wesley Snipes anyone? How about David Chappelle?

If conservatives actually want to make headway with blacks, talk taxes and government waste. Talk about how much is wasted on military spending and big government contracts. Don't try to re-write history like Kanye.

[Krugminator2]

If conservatives actually want to make headway with blacks, talk taxes and government waste. Talk about how much is wasted on military spending and big government contracts. Don't try to re-write history like Kanye.

While you perhaps a better perspective, every black leader I have ever seen -Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jesse Jackson, Sharpton, all the MSNBC black people Michael Eric Dyson, Toure, Melissa Harris Perry, etc range from hard core socialist to communist.

I think talking about fiscal issues is a political loser with every group, but particularly with blacks.

[jkr]

PREPARE
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[AuH20]

Reggie Bush was being serious. Kayne is trolling. Slavery a choice (http://time.com/5263242/kanye-west-slavery-tweets-history/)? :rolleyes: If it was a choice then why wasn't Dred Scott freed when he told the Supreme Court "I choose not to be a slave anymore?"

It's not hard to find a black person who makes over 6 figures who doesn't like the IRS. Ummm.....Wesley Snipes anyone? How about David Chappelle?

If conservatives actually want to make headway with blacks, talk taxes and government waste. Talk about how much is wasted on military spending and big government contracts. Don't try to re-write history like Kanye.

Kanye is actually right. His thought process has transcended that of the simpleton blacks who are incapable of breaking their mental shackles. Many seem to be content in their victim-hood, waiting for the white man and very system that enslaved them, to rescue them from their own ignorance. Frankly, they will be waiting for salvation for a long time at the current rate.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHhyA_Dkilo

[enhanced_deficit]

No proof that Kim Kardashian converted him

http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/kim-kardashian-kanye-west-reggie-bush-twitter-feud__oPt.jpg



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Is Kanye getting more people on the Trump train?


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(https://www.onenewspage.com/video/20170409/7241770/Ivanka-May-Have-Convinced-Trump-To-Bomb-Syria.htm)

[jmdrake]

Kanye is right. His thought process has transcended that of the simpleton blacks who are incapable of breaking their mental shackles.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHhyA_Dkilo

:rolleyes: No he's not. Dred Scott "chose" to be free. He sued his master in court. He lost. Did you see the movie 12 years a slave? That was the story of a free man who was kidnapped and it took him 12 years to escape back to freedom. You still live in a country with an income tax. Did you choose that? Nat Turner attempted a slave rebellion. It failed. Denmark Vessey attempted a slave rebellion. It failed as well. If by "choice" you mean "Well I and a lot of my friends and family can choose to die so that ultimately slavery will end" then okay. But blacks who joined the union army did just that. So did the blacks who decided to be spies for the Union Army like Harriet Tubman.

[AuH20]

:rolleyes: No he's not. Dred Scott "chose" to be free. He sued his master in court. He lost. Did you see the movie 12 years a slave? That was the story of a free man who was kidnapped and it took him 12 years to escape back to freedom. You still live in a country with an income tax. Did you choose that? Nat Turner attempted a slave rebellion. It failed. Denmark Vessey attempted a slave rebellion. It failed as well. If by "choice" you mean "Well I and a lot of my friends and family can choose to die so that ultimately slavery will end" then okay. But blacks who joined the union army did just that. So did the blacks who decided to be spies for the Union Army like Harriet Tubman.

Slavery started in the Americas roughly by 1619. Slaves were freed in 1863. Granted, we had the Jim Crow laws and other disadvantages, but that's nearly 155 years of relative free will. What has been accomplished? With no whippings or physical imprisonment, the slaves continue to pester the master for rinds of bread.

[jmdrake]

While you perhaps a better perspective, every black leader I have ever seen -Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jesse Jackson, Sharpton, all the MSNBC black people Michael Eric Dyson, Toure, Melissa Harris Perry, etc range from hard core socialist to communist.

I think talking about fiscal issues is a political loser with every group, but particularly with blacks.

Let's see. You left off of your list Booker T. Washington, Frederick Douglas, A.G. Gaston, Marcus Garvey (Malcom X's father was a follower of Garvey), Tony Brown of Tony Brown's Journal and a whole host of other black leaders. And when talking to individual black people, most have a disfavorable view of the IRS. (I mentioned Wesley Snipes and David Chapelle but you snipped that out.) Why do you think Bill Clinton was able to get away with taking credit for the Republican "contract on America" and have "black leaders" behind him cheering him on as he pledged to "end welfare as we know it?" Sadly the GOP/Clinton crime bill was part of the legislation that got passed too.

[jmdrake]

Slavery started in the Americas roughly by 1619. Slaves were freed in 1863. Granted, we had the Jim Crow laws and other disadvantages, but that's nearly 155 years of relative free will. What has been accomplished? With no whippings or physical imprisonment, the slaves continue to pester the master for rinds of bread.

Now you are changing what Kanye said. Kanye wasn't talking about 155 years of post slavery. He was talking about 400 years OF SLAVERY! (http://time.com/5263242/kanye-west-slavery-tweets-history/) If you have to change what the person you are defending actually said in order to defend him, then that is a tacit admission that you know he was full of crap.

[AuH20]

Now you are changing what Kanye said. Kanye wasn't talking about 155 years of post slavery. He was talking about 400 years OF SLAVERY! (http://time.com/5263242/kanye-west-slavery-tweets-history/) If you have to change what the person you are defending actually said in order to defend him, then that is a tacit admission that you know he was full of crap.

He was referring to present day as well. 1619 to 2019. That was the clever dig.

[pao]

He was referring to present day as well. 1619 to 2019. That was the clever dig.

To me it seemed his point was if someone was still considering themselves a slave it is their choice to do so. I bet if he was asked to claify, this would be it. Could be wrong however.

[jmdrake]

He was referring to present day as well. 1619 to 2019. That was the clever dig.

Usually when people speak of 400 years of slavery they are referring to the entire history of the slave trade in the Americas and not just what is now the United States.

[dannno]

Reggie Bush was being serious. Kayne is trolling. Slavery a choice (http://time.com/5263242/kanye-west-slavery-tweets-history/)? :rolleyes: If it was a choice then why wasn't Dred Scott freed when he told the Supreme Court "I choose not to be a slave anymore?".

Wow, fuckin horse shit.. Maybe you should listen to what Kanye says instead of the mainstream media..

Kanye explained his reasoning for why he said that.. He didn't mean it was each individual's choice to be a slave, but that collectively black people were mentally imprisoned for it to have gone on for 400 years. If all black people had Dred Scott's attitude much earlier, then they wouldn't have been slaves for that long.. at least in his opinion (his opinion is black people are still mentally enslaved to the Democratic Party)

The fact you think Kanye is just trolling and doesn't seriously agree with a lot of the conservative values he is espousing, though, is completely ludicrous.. is he using some trolling techniques? Ya, but what you said is completely wrong.

[dannno]

Usually when people speak of 400 years of slavery they are referring to the entire history of the slave trade in the Americas and not just what is now the United States.

It didn't get to the colonies until the 17th century - the US wasn't a country until 1776

[dannno]

To me it seemed his point was if someone was still considering themselves a slave it is their choice to do so. I bet if he was asked to claify, this would be it. Could be wrong however.

Kanye already clarified his statements but certain people depend on the mainstream media way too much.

[Brian4Liberty]

Let me just throw this out for discussion and brainstorming...

It is fact that Hollywood constantly inserts left-wing propaganda, both subtle and blatant. Is it possible that perhaps they over-shot and created some unintended consequences with the recent movie "Black Panther"? Instead of making black people feel dependent upon the left-wing crony Democrats, it was actually motivational?

I have not yet seen the movie, so I can't comment. I have heard good reviews. Has anyone else seen that movie? I would wager that both Kanye and Reggie Bush have seen the movie.

[Swordsmyth]

Let me just throw this out for discussion and brainstorming...

It is fact that Hollywood constantly inserts left-wing propaganda, both subtle and blatant. Is it possible that perhaps they over-shot and created some unintended consequences with the recent movie "Black Panther"? Instead of making black people feel dependent upon the left-wing crony Democrats, it was actually motivational?

I have not yet seen the movie, so I can't comment. I have heard good reviews. Has anyone else seen that movie? I would wager that both Kanye and Reggie Bush have seen the movie.

I haven't seen it yet either but this is the thread where some people have given their opinions:
Black Panther Pounces on Social Justice Warriors (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?519772-Black-Panther-Pounces-on-Social-Justice-Warriors)

[jmdrake]

It didn't get to the colonies until the 17th century - the US wasn't a country until 1776

Ummm...that's why I said the Americas and not the British colonies. :rolleyes: Reading is fundamental.

[jmdrake]

Wow, $#@!in horse $#@!.. Maybe you should listen to what Kanye says instead of the mainstream media..

Maybe you should quit making stupid assumptions? I listened to what Kanye said, not what the MSM said about what he said. Later he came back and clarified his comments and walked back some of what he initially said. You call that "explaining." Whatever. Kanye was trolling from the start. He could have explained it all the first time. Speaking of explaining, when T.I. asked Kanye "What half of what Trump has done do you like" in response to Kanye's "I only like half of the shit Trump does", Kanye didn't have a real answer.

[dannno]

Maybe you should quit being a dumbass and making stupid assumptions? I listened to what Kanye said, not what the MSM said about him. Later he came back and clarified his comments and walked back some of what he initially said. You call that "explaining." Whatever. Kanye was trolling from the start. He could have explained it all the first time. Speaking of explaining, when T.I. asked Kanye "What half of what Trump has done do you like" in response to Kanye's "I only like half of the shit Trump does", Kanye didn't have a real answer.

I guess it's a lot better than "I don't like any of the crap Hillary does"

You're still dead wrong about Kanye.. trolling? Ya.. but not serious? No, he is totally serious.

[dannno]

Ummm...that's why I said the Americas and not the British colonies. :rolleyes: Reading is fundamental.

No. Listening to what KANYE SAID is fundamental. The 400 years comment came directly from what Candace Owens said, and she was VERY CLEARLY saying 400 years ago to today, that black people are still enslaved today on the Democratic Plantation.

Making things up and pretending you know what other people were saying does not lead to a correct understanding.

[jmdrake]

No. Listening to what KANYE SAID is fundamental. The 400 years comment came directly from what Candace Owens said, and she was VERY CLEARLY saying 400 years ago to today, that black people are still enslaved today on the Democratic Plantation.

Making things up and pretending you know what other people were saying does not lead to a correct understanding.

Ummm......wrong. Kanye got the 400 years thing from Lupe Fiasco who used it in a rap years before anyone heard of Candace Owens. And for all you know she got that from Kanye. Just because C.O. used it recently doesn't mean she coined the phrase.

See: https://genius.com/Rap101-lupe-fiasco-all-black-everything-lyrics

And:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moXSZOVqjkQ

[jmdrake]

I guess it's a lot better than "I don't like any of the crap Hillary does"

You're still dead wrong about Kanye.. trolling? Ya.. but not serious? No, he is totally serious.

In the TMZ video where he made the 400 year choice comment he clearly said he is not a political thinker, he's just talking from emotion and doesn't have the facts to back up what he's saying. He is about "free thought" and I think that's great. That said, maybe Kanye will grow into the role he just thrust himself into.

[jmdrake]

More on when to put the start date for slavery in the Western hemisphere for dannno. https://genius.com/Rap101-lupe-fiasco-all-black-everything-lyrics And at this point, I'm not 100% sure if Kanye was 100% sure of what he was saying. I'm not saying that as a knock on Kanye. But again, according to his own words, he was speaking more from a position of emotion than anything.

[dannno]

Ummm......wrong. Kanye got the 400 years thing from Lupe Fiasco who used it in a rap years before anyone heard of Candace Owens. And for all you know she got that from Kanye. Just because C.O. used it recently doesn't mean she coined the phrase.

See: https://genius.com/Rap101-lupe-fiasco-all-black-everything-lyrics

And:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moXSZOVqjkQ

Um, even with your "proof" that still means you're wrong. Kanye said he liked what Candane Owens said, he didn't say he liked what Lupe Fiasco said, nor does Kanye likely remember one of his older songs.. But even if that is where Candace got it, which may or may not be true, you're still wrong about them starting the clock in the 1400s and ending it in the mid 1800s, 1492 - 1863 is less than 400 years anyway..

[jmdrake]

Um, even with your "proof" that still means you're wrong. Kanye said he liked what Candane Owens said, he didn't say he liked what Lupe Fiasco said, nor does Kanye likely remember one of his older songs.. But even if that is where Candace got it, which may or may not be true, you're still wrong about them starting the clock in the 1400s and ending it in the mid 1800s, 1492 - 1863 is less than 400 years anyway..

Actually I went back and watched it. Candace Owens didn't say what you think she said. Watch it again for yourself.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FS_wtnsBXI

"400 years of slavery. Jim Crowe. It's embarrassing. And by the way none of you lived through that. Your grandparents lived through that."

So, dannno, use your brain. If Candace Owens was talking about 400 years from 1619 to 2019, why did she say "None of you lived through that. Your grandparents lived that?" That is an illogical interpretation of what she said. Follow the progression, if you can. Slavery (400 years), Jim Crowe, now. So, I was right all along.

[dannno]

Actually I went back and watched it. Candace Owens didn't say what you think she said. Watch it again for yourself.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FS_wtnsBXI

"400 years of slavery. Jim Crowe. It's embarrassing. And by the way none of you lived through that. Your grandparents lived through that."

So, dannno, use your brain. If Candace Owens was talking about 400 years from 1619 to 2019, why did she say "None of you lived through that. Your grandparents lived that?" That is an illogical interpretation of what she said. Follow the progression, if you can. Slavery (400 years), Jim Crowe, now. So, I was right all along.

"The reason why I brought up the 400 years point is because we can't be mentally imprisoned for another 400 years," he added. "We need free thought now. Even the statement was an example of free thought. It was just an idea." -Kanye West

I still don't see you proving your point about Kanye being serious or not.

"Of course I know that slaves did not get shackled and put on a boat by free will" -Kanye West

This isn't difficult. Kanye doesn't like that black people have a victim mentality. Democrats encourage the victim mentality, conservatives tend to say work hard and pull yourself up, we live in a free country, the sky is the limit. Why is it so hard for you to understand why he is coming out like this?

[jmdrake]

"The reason why I brought up the 400 years point is because we can't be mentally imprisoned for another 400 years," he added. "We need free thought now. Even the statement was an example of free thought. It was just an idea." -Kanye West

I still don't see you proving your point about Kanye being serious or not.

"Of course I know that slaves did not get shackled and put on a boat by free will" -Kanye West

This isn't difficult. Kanye doesn't like that black people have a victim mentality. Democrats encourage the victim mentality, conservatives tend to say work hard and pull yourself up, we live in a free country, the sky is the limit. Why is it so hard for you to understand why he is coming out like this?

I've proven my point that Candace Owens was talking about 400 years of slavery and not 200 years of slavery followed by 200 years of "mental enslavement." You said Kanye was taking what he was saying from her. So based on what you said, I have proven my point. I don't expect you to be honest enough to admit that though. Now if you take what Candace Owens actually said, as opposed to the words you put in her mouth, and take that with what Kanye said about mental enslavement, the only rational interpretation that takes what both of them said into account is that there was 400 years of physical slavery and there's no need to continue mental enslavement for 400 years after the physical slavery ended. Further if you look at what Kanye said about how if he was in Nat Turner's time he would have chosen to rebel instead of choosing to remain a slave, it's clear, to any rational and honest person, that Kanye was referring to physical slavery being a choice. Not when you're in the boat in chains, but later when you are on the plantation. You can choose to go along with slavery and have your best chance at survival or you can choose to fight back and have your best chance at freedom. Now I'm sure you will continue to believe you are right just like you will continue to believe that Trump isn't an adulterer and that's just "made up by the media" even though Trump admitted that. You can believe whatever irrational thought it is you wish to believe.

[Danke]

https://pics.me.me/that-nigga-in-the-background-look-like-he-came-from-10312114.png

[Gumba of Liberty]

Reggie Bush was being serious. Kayne is trolling. Slavery a choice (http://time.com/5263242/kanye-west-slavery-tweets-history/)? :rolleyes: If it was a choice then why wasn't Dred Scott freed when he told the Supreme Court "I choose not to be a slave anymore?"

It's not hard to find a black person who makes over 6 figures who doesn't like the IRS. Ummm.....Wesley Snipes anyone? How about David Chappelle?

If conservatives actually want to make headway with blacks, talk taxes and government waste. Talk about how much is wasted on military spending and big government contracts. Don't try to re-write history like Kanye.

Slavery is a choice. You can be conditioned to believe it is not but you always have the option to RESIST your oppressors. Live Free or Die.

[dannno]

I've proven my point that Candace Owens was talking about 400 years of slavery and not 200 years of slavery followed by 200 years of "mental enslavement." You said Kanye was taking what he was saying from her. So based on what you said, I have proven my point. I don't expect you to be honest enough to admit that though. Now if you take what Candace Owens actually said, as opposed to the words you put in her mouth, and take that with what Kanye said about mental enslavement, the only rational interpretation that takes what both of them said into account is that there was 400 years of physical slavery and there's no need to continue mental enslavement for 400 years after the physical slavery ended. Further if you look at what Kanye said about how if he was in Nat Turner's time he would have chosen to rebel instead of choosing to remain a slave, it's clear, to any rational and honest person, that Kanye was referring to physical slavery being a choice. Not when you're in the boat in chains, but later when you are on the plantation. You can choose to go along with slavery and have your best chance at survival or you can choose to fight back and have your best chance at freedom. Now I'm sure you will continue to believe you are right just like you will continue to believe that Trump isn't an adulterer and that's just "made up by the media" even though Trump admitted that. You can believe whatever irrational thought it is you wish to believe.


It was 400 years of slavery + jim crow (for Candace, in that instance you posted), for reference.

You still have Kanye's shit all wrong, you are literally contradicting what he has said, and you aren't even trying to understand what he is saying.. It's very simple he wants the victim mentality to stop. Why it is so hard for you to understand what he is saying, and instead make up your own bullshit that he directly contradicted is beyond me.

[jmdrake]

Slavery is a choice. You can be conditioned to believe it is not but you always have the option to RESIST your oppressors. Live Free or Die.

Kanye came back later and clarified his comments to say "I know that people didn't choose to get put on boats and brought over as slaves." And he later added in the "I would be with Nat Turner" argument that goes along with what you are saying. But initially he just flung it out there. In the same interview he stated "I'm all about emotion. I don't have any facts." By definition that is trolling. Wading into an intellectual argument without factual underpinnings and throwing of inflamatory statements just off of "emotion" is, by definition (mine anyway), trolling. Now if dannno wasn't so full of himself and actually watched the Lupe Fiasco video I posted when I proved what he was claiming regarding what Kanye was saying about 400 years was totally wrong, he would see that Lupe made the exact "You can choose to resist slavery" argument that you are making in defense of Kanye. But Kanye didn't initially make that argument. Again, watch the entire TMZ video. Kanye said "I'm about emotion and free thought. Candace Owens has the facts."

[jmdrake]

It was 400 years of slavery + jim crow (for Candace, in that instance you posted), for reference.

You left out the most important part of what she said. She said "And that what your grandparents lived through. That's not what you lived through." So any intelligent person knows she counting the 400 years of slavery going through to today. So just admit it. You were wrong. It's okay.



You still have Kanye's $#@! all wrong, you are literally contradicting what he has said, and you aren't even trying to understand what he is saying.


You haven't even watched the entire TMZ video have you? Kanye literally said "I don't have any facts. I am just going off of emotion." And you are so arrogant and full of yourself that you didn't even click on the links I gave you from Lupe. In those links Lupe actually defended the idea of slavery being a choice, but he wasn't talking about modern "mental slavery" but on slave uprisings when slavery actually was going on including the only truly successful one which happened in Haiti. Lupe actually has the factual underpinnings, which Kanye admits he does not have, to carry out an actual conversation on the issue, and not just throw out emotional catch phrases to see what happens.

Oh yeah, in his latest song, Kanye praises both Obama and Trump. "Obama was heaven sent. But Trump makes me believe I can be president." If Hillary had somehow won he might be praising her too. In contrast, in his rap "Words I never said", Lupe disses both Bush "I think the war on terror is a bunch of bullshyt 9/11 building 7 did you really pull it" and Obama "Gaza was getting bombed and Obama didn't say shyt that's why I didn't vote for him, next time either."


It's very simple he wants the victim mentality to stop. Why it is so hard for you to understand what he is saying, and instead make up your own bull$#@! that he directly contradicted is beyond me.

FFS Dannno! I AM DIRECTLY QUOTING KANYE WEST WHERE HE SAYS "I HAVE NO FACTS! I AM GOING OFF OF EMOTION! How stupid do you have to be to call that "making up your own bullshyt" when I AM THE ONLY ONE DIRECTLY QUOTING THE MAN? You are one making up stuff! You totally made up the "Kanye was talking about 400 years from 1619 to present" when Kanye didn't say that and neither did Candace Owens.

[dannno]

You totally made up the "Kanye was talking about 400 years from 1619 to present" when Kanye didn't say that and neither did Candace Owens.

I already posted the quote where he said he had been 400 years, and he didn't want it to be another 400. What does that mean to you?

[jmdrake]

I already posted the quote where he said he had been 400 years, and he didn't want it to be another 400. What does that mean to you?

Reading is fundamental. A copy and paste of what I already told you.

Now if you take what Candace Owens actually said, as opposed to the words you put in her mouth, and take that with what Kanye said about mental enslavement, the only rational interpretation that takes what both of them said into account is that there was 400 years of physical slavery and there's no need to continue mental enslavement for 400 years after the physical slavery ended.

Again, based on what you said, Kanye was channeling Candace Owens. And based on what Candace Owens said, she was talking about a slavery period that ended before the people she was talking to were born. So Kanye called that slavery period a choice. And when he later clarified that first slavery period, he stated "I would have rebelled with Nat Turner" which means he was calling the physical slavery period a choice. Not a choice to get put on the boat in chains (he made that later clarification), but a choice later when slaves were living on the plantation to either go along and live or rebel and most likely die...at least until the white people ran out of bullets or got caught and killed trying to reload like the Zulus did the British in their one major victory over them.

[dannno]

Reading is fundamental. A copy and paste of what I already told you.

Now if you take what Candace Owens actually said, as opposed to the words you put in her mouth, and take that with what Kanye said about mental enslavement, the only rational interpretation that takes what both of them said into account is that there was 400 years of physical slavery and there's no need to continue mental enslavement for 400 years after the physical slavery ended.

Again, based on what you said, Kanye was channeling Candace Owens. And based on what Candace Owens said, she was talking about a slavery period that ended before the people she was talking to were born. So Kanye called that slavery period a choice. And when he later clarified that first slavery period, he stated "I would have rebelled with Nat Turner" which means he was calling the physical slavery period a choice. Not a choice to get put on the boat in chains (he made that later clarification), but a choice later when slaves were living on the plantation to either go along and live or rebel and most likely die...at least until the white people ran out of bullets or got caught and killed trying to reload like the Zulus did the British in their one major victory over them.

But he also said the mental slavery still exists, it existed before and he doesn't want it to go on for another 400 years. So even though he heard the Candance Owens interview and heard the 400 year comment, he was using it in a slightly different context here.

It's important to take all of his statements in whole all at once, not pick apart things the way you want to that flies in the face of everything else he said.

[jmdrake]

But he also said the mental slavery still exists, it existed before and he doesn't want it to go on for another 400 years.

I addressed that. Again reading in fundamental. I never said Kanye didn't say there was mental slavery. But that's not what he was initially referring to when he talked about the 400 years of slavery being a "choice." Again, in his clarification, he said if he could go back to the time of Nat Turner he would have made the choice to rebel. Do you not understand that the Nat Turner rebellion happened during the period of physical slavery? His own clarification of his slavery comment proves me right. You just don't want to admit you were wrong on this. It's okay dannno. We all make mistakes.

[dannno]

But that's not what he was initially referring to when he talked about the 400 years of slavery being a "choice."

Yes it was, that is precisely what his statement clarifying what he meant said. It's funny how YOU think YOU know what he meant when HE said he meant something else. I will take his word about what he meant over your lame MSM interpretation.

It's like when Trumps said you have to take out their families and all these people said he meant you have to kill a terrorist's 1 year old niece or some shit, when later he clarified that isn't what he meant.

You are playing the MSM game of putting words and thoughts into other people's mouths and it's really annoying and really deceptive and dishonest and manipulative. You need to stop.

[jmdrake]

Dannno, you are straight up lying. I quoted from you where Kanye clarified his remarks by talking about the Nat Turner rebellion which happened during the physical period of slavery! This is not taking the "MSM view". This is quoting what Kanye said back to you. Quit lying.

Edit: And you are not taking what Kanye said about what he meant. You are cherry picking the part of what he said that supports your own inflated ego. Again, I quoted Kanye's clarification when he talked about the Nat Turner rebellion. Again the Nat Turner rebellion happened during the period of physical enslavement. Are you just too stupid to understand that?


Yes it was, that is precisely what his statement clarifying what he meant said. It's funny how YOU think YOU know what he meant when HE said he meant something else. I will take his word about what he meant over your lame MSM interpretation.

It's like when Trumps said you have to take out their families and all these people said he meant you have to kill a terrorist's 1 year old niece or some $#@!, when later he clarified that isn't what he meant.

You are playing the MSM game of putting words and thoughts into other people's mouths and it's really annoying and really deceptive and dishonest and manipulative. You need to stop.

[dannno]

Dannno, you are straight up lying. I quoted from you where Kanye clarified his remarks by talking about the Nat Turner rebellion which happened during the physical period of slavery! This is not taking the "MSM view". This is quoting what Kanye said back to you. Quit lying.

Edit: And you are not taking what Kanye said about what he meant. You are cherry picking the part of what he said that supports your own inflated ego. Again, I quoted Kanye's clarification when he talked about the Nat Turner rebellion. Again the Nat Turner rebellion happened during the period of physical enslavement. Are you just too stupid to understand that?

Ya this obfuscation is getting tiresome. Obviously when Kanye said 400 years of slavery, he also meant during the period of slavery - but he also means NOW. He is saying black people have always been imprisoned since slavery, and they are still mentally enslaved. He said they were mentally enslaved as well as physically enslaved, and now they are still mentally enslaved to the Democrat plantation. He clarified his comments, that is what he said he meant, I'm not cherry picking YOU ARE.

What Kanye is talking about has much deeper meaning and it is more difficult to understand than what MSM lemmings and TMZ retards are portraying.

[dannno]

I think I already posted this, but I guess I have to post it again because some people need major help understanding shit.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNj_8Jf0lcU

[jmdrake]

Ya this obfuscation is getting tiresome. Obviously when Kanye said 400 years of slavery, he also meant during the period of slavery - but he also means NOW. He is saying black people have always been imprisoned since slavery, and they are still mentally enslaved. He said they were mentally enslaved as well as physically enslaved, and now they are still mentally enslaved to the Democrat plantation. He clarified his comments, that is what he said he meant, I'm not cherry picking YOU ARE.

What Kanye is talking about has much deeper meaning and it is more difficult to understand than what MSM lemmings and TMZ retards are portraying.

Dannno, YOU ARE THE ONE OBFUSCATING! In fact do you even know what the word means? You are dishonestly ignoring what Kanye actually said in defense of his position about slavery being a choice! He said that he if he could he would go back in time and choose to help Nat Turner. That is during the physical period of slavery! I have already acknowledge that Kanye also talked about the a mental period of slavery, but he already clarified that engaging in rebellion was a choice against the physical period of slavery. And I'm not the only one who sees this. And my pointing this out isn't even an attack on Kanye. You're just being an ass. Here's more proof that your'e just being an ass.


Slavery is a choice. You can be conditioned to believe it is not but you always have the option to RESIST your oppressors. Live Free or Die.

There you go dannno. Gumba of Liberty gets what Kanye was saying. Now why don't you spent the next twenty posts arguing with him for making the exact same point I did?

[dannno]

Dannno, YOU ARE THE ONE OBFUSCATING! In fact do you even know what the word means? You are dishonestly ignoring what Kanye actually said in defense of his position about slavery being a choice! He said that he if he could he would go back in time and choose to help Nat Turner. That is during the physical period of slavery! I have already acknowledge that Kanye also talked about the a mental period of slavery, but he already clarified that engaging in rebellion was a choice against the physical period of slavery. And I'm not the only one who sees this. And my pointing this out isn't even an attack on Kanye. You're just being an ass. Here's more proof that your'e just being an ass.

I really have no idea what you are even arguing here. I don't dispute any of the things Kanye said. He would have helped Nat Turner with a physical rebellion, because Nat Turner wasn't mentally enslaved and neither is he. What's the problem? You keep coming up with these random arguments that have nothing to do with the discussion. Are you just trying to fill the thread up with garbage??

Did you watch the PJW video? Would you say you agree with all of it? Most of it? 90% of it? 10% of it?

I'm trying to have a discussion about deeper issues affecting the black community and you keep bringing up all this random stuff that has nothing to do with that for some reason.

[jmdrake]

I think I already posted this, but I guess I have to post it again because some people need major help understanding $#@!.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNj_8Jf0lcU

Why don't you actually listen to Kanye to explain Kanye?

if this was 148 years ago I would have been more like Harriet or Nat

— KANYE WEST (@kanyewest) May 1, 2018

I freed a thousand slaves I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves. – Harriet Tubman

— KANYE WEST (@kanyewest) May 2, 2018

Actually there's no evidence that Harriet Tubman ever said that. But Kanye's point is clear. He believes blacks could have and should have revolted during the period of physical enslavement. He sees himself as someone who would have led such a revolt. Easier said than done but okay. The real choice then was live free or die. Many more choices today.

[jmdrake]

I really have no idea what you are even arguing here. I don't dispute any of the things Kanye said. He would have helped Nat Turner with a physical rebellion, because Nat Turner wasn't mentally enslaved and neither is he.

Which = saying that blacks made a choice to remain mentally and physically enslaved during the period of physical enslavement which is exactly what I said from the beginning which means that you've been arguing over nothing.



What's the problem? You keep coming up with these random arguments that have nothing to do with the discussion. Are you just trying to fill the thread up with garbage??


You started with the garbage and you've been continuing it.



Did you watch the PJW video? Would you say you agree with all of it? Most of it? 90% of it? 10% of it?


Did you watch the Lupe Fiasco video? Until I see PJW take on Trump for something other than just flip flopping on Syria, neither he nor the rest of Infowars has any credibility with me. And since I haven't seen any evidence that you watched the Lupe Fiasco video I posted, I'm really not interested in watching your videos.



I'm trying to have a discussion about deeper issues affecting the black community and you keep bringing up all this random stuff that has nothing to do with that for some reason.

:rolleyes: I have yet to see you ever attempt to have a serious discussion about issues affecting the black community. And frankly you aren't qualified to do so. It's not because you are white. Ron Paul and Rand Paul are white. They are credible. You are not.

[dannno]

Which = saying that blacks made a choice to remain mentally and physically enslaved during the period of physical enslavement which is exactly what I said from the beginning which means that you've been arguing over nothing.

The argument was about whether Kanye is serious or not. We both know he is trolling to some extent, but you think he is not serious and doesn't have these ideas about black people being mentally enslaved, he doesn't think black people victim attitude hurts them, etc.. I think he absolutely believes in these things. You are the one who keeps dragging us into the proverbial gutter and arguing about nothing.



Did you watch the Lupe Fiasco video? Until I see PJW take on Trump for something other than just flip flopping on Syria, neither he nor the rest of Infowars has any credibility with me. And since I haven't seen any evidence that you watched the Lupe Fiasco video I posted, I'm really not interested in watching your videos.


I watched Lupe's videos when they all first came out, I know what he talks about. Republicans and Democrats are the enemy, two sides of the same coin, and that made a lot of sense 10 years ago.

But let me ask you, if Ron Paul had won the 2008 Republican nomination, would it have been wrong to vote for him because he was a Republican? Of course not.. Because Ron Paul isn't part of the deep state, he doesn't represent the same interests that all the other politicians do.. But guess what? Trump isn't part of the deep state, he doesn't represent the same interests that other politicians do either. He isn't as pure on liberty issues as Ron Paul, but he clearly isn't on team deep state or else the media would be treating him like they do.

[dannno]

If you want to understand what Kanye is talking about, I recommend listening to PJW and Scott Adams. Kanye tweeted a bunch of Scott Adams quotes about a week ago, and Scott Adams has been talking about this issue quite a bit. I posted an interview with him and Molyneux that is quite lengthy. But all you want to do is focus on what the MSM says.

[jmdrake]

The argument was about whether Kanye is serious or not. We both know he is trolling to some extent, but you think he is not serious and doesn't have these ideas about black people being mentally enslaved, he doesn't think black people victim attitude hurts them, etc.. I think he absolutely believes in these things. You are the one who keeps dragging us into the proverbial gutter and arguing about nothing.

You're putting words in my mouth. Typical dishonesty. I said Reggie Bush was serious. Kanye was trolling. You admit, finally, that Kanye was trolling. That doesn't mean that he hasn't said anything serious at all. But come on. Did you even watch the TMZ interview? Kanye: 1) Admits to recently being addicted to opioids, 2) starts talking about getting liposuction "to look good for y'all, 3) looks like he's actually high while giving the interview. The same day he did an interview with Charlamagne and he looked and sounded coherent. There is just simply no comparison with Reggie Bush saying "I'd like to know how my taxes are being spent" and Kanye's obvious, and know you've even admitted it, trolling. And this is what people outside of a group do when looking into it. One person in the group does something way off in la la land, and someone else in the group says something that's not really even controversial but somehow distantly related and then it's "Oh they just did the same thing." Ummm...no they didn't. It's not at all unusual for a black person to wonder "Are my tax dollars being spent wisely?" It's patronizing and frankly insulting to claim otherwise. This whole thread is wack.



I watched Lupe's videos when they all first came out, I know what he talks about. Republicans and Democrats are the enemy, two sides of the same coin, and that made a lot of sense 10 years ago.


I makes sense today. That said, are you saying that you have watched every Lupe video ever? I doubt that. And the video I posted didn't even speak to the issue of Republicans and Democrats. So it seems you still haven't watched it.


But let me ask you, if Ron Paul had won the 2008 Republican nomination, would it have been wrong to vote for him because he was a Republican? Of course not.. Because Ron Paul isn't part of the deep state, he doesn't represent the same interests that all the other politicians do.. But guess what? Trump isn't part of the deep state, he doesn't represent the same interests that other politicians do either. He isn't as pure on liberty issues as Ron Paul, but he clearly isn't on team deep state or else the media would be treating him like they do.

If a president Ron Paul installed face scanning cameras by executive order he would immediately lose all support from me. If he attempted to ban any part of any gun by executive order he would immediately lose all support from me. If he threatened to execute Edward Snowden he would immediately lose all support from me. My support for Ron Paul is based on the principles he upholds and not based on the powers arrayed against him. I base my politics on principles, not paranoia. That's what separates me from people like you. All of your "deep state this and deep state that" crap will never change that.

[jmdrake]

If you want to understand what Kanye is talking about, I recommend listening to PJW and Scott Adams.

That's about the most ignorant thing I have ever heard you say and I've heard you say a lot. If you want to understand Ron Paul listen to Ron Paul. If you want to understand Donald Trump listen to Donald Trump. If you want to understand Kanye West listen to Kanye West. If you


But all you want to do is focus on what the MSM says.

You are a disgusting liar. I listened to the full length TMZ interview and apparently you have not. I've listed to much of the Charlamagne interview and it seems you have not. I listened to Kanye's on stage rant from 2017 and it seems you have not. I'm quoting Kanye, no the MSM. It is sickening that you feel the need to lie and make up shyt to "prove" your point when I'm quoting what Kanye says about Kanye you. To hell with PJW and Scott Adams. They are not Kanye's spokespersons. They have an agenda just like the so called MSM has an agenda. Let me know when PJW does a video condemning Trump for installing face scanning cameras at airports. Alex Jones used to use PrisonPlanet as an alias for his organization and maybe he still does. But he and his lackeys have become fellow guards keeping simple minded people enslaved. Maybe they always were.

[dannno]

That's about the most ignorant thing I have ever heard you say and I've heard you say a lot. If you want to understand Ron Paul listen to Ron Paul. If you want to understand Donald Trump listen to Donald Trump. If you want to understand Kanye West listen to Kanye West. If you



You are a disgusting liar. I listened to the full length TMZ interview and apparently you have not. I've listed to much of the Charlamagne interview and it seems you have not. I listened to Kanye's on stage rant from 2017 and it seems you have not. I'm quoting Kanye, no the MSM. It is sickening that you feel the need to lie and make up shyt to "prove" your point when I'm quoting what Kanye says about Kanye you. To hell with PJW and Scott Adams. They are not Kanye's spokespersons. They have an agenda just like the so called MSM has an agenda. Let me know when PJW does a video condemning Trump for installing face scanning cameras at airports. Alex Jones used to use PrisonPlanet as an alias for his organization and maybe he still does. But he and his lackeys have become fellow guards keeping simple minded people enslaved. Maybe they always were.

LOL... amazing..

I said


Kanye tweeted a bunch of Scott Adams quotes about a week ago, and Scott Adams has been talking about this issue quite a bit. I posted an interview with him and Molyneux that is quite lengthy. But all you want to do is focus on what the MSM says.

Kanye says he likes what Scott Adams is saying and he knows what he is talking about, and you say that is irrelevant and ignorant.

OK......

PJW has been paying attention to this a lot more than you have as well, and has some good thoughts on the subject and what is being discussed. All you want to do is refer to MSM and currently irrelevant artists.

You know how they say dumb people like to talk about people, kinda smart people like to talk about events and really smart people talk about ideas? Kanye is talking about ideas. TMZ is talking about people. You are talking about events. You're not dumb, but you're not rising up either.

[jmdrake]

LOL... amazing..

I said


Kanye says he likes what Scott Adams is saying and he knows what he is talking about, and you say that is irrelevant and ignorant.

So Kanye liking something Scott Adams says makes Scott Adams the official spokesperson for Kanye West? Seriously? You really believe that? Ummm..okay. I stand by what I said. That's pure ignorant. It's also contradictory. You were all for looking at what Candace Owens said until I proved to you that she wasn't saying what you though she was saying. Again, if you want to understand Kanye, listen to Kanye. If you want to spin then spin. Oh and you didn't just say Scott Adams. You said Scott Adams and PJW. And finally Kanye has said positive things about Obama too. So if I find a quote where Kanye says he likes something Obama said that means that Obama is Kanye's official spokesperson? Some "freedom" for Kanye when you can enslave him whenever you like by choosing his official spokespeople rather than just letting him speak for himself.



OK......

PJW has been paying attention to this a lot more than you have as well, and has some good thoughts on the subject and what is being discussed. All you want to do is refer to MSM and currently irrelevant artists.


:rolleyes: So now you are calling Kanye irrelevant. Because I've been quoting Kanye. Why can't you just let Kanye speak for himself massah?


Kanye is talking about ideas. TMZ is talking about people.

You dumbass. I'M TALKING ABOUT KANYE'S INTERVIEW ON TMZ! I'm talking about WHAT KANYE IS SAYING! So in your warped mind what Kanye says when he's on TMZ is not relevant to understanding Kanye? Mind = blown.

[dannno]

So Kanye liking something Scott Adams says makes Scott Adams the official spokesperson for Kanye West? Seriously? You really believe that?


Again, you are misunderstanding what is going on because you aren't paying attention to anything except MSM..

Kanye liked MANY things that Scott Adams was saying about what Kanye said!!! So Kanye essentially endorsed Scott Adams as a spokesperson for Kanye.

Kanye liked what Candace Owens said about black people and black culture. Kanye liked what Scott Adams said about Kanye's messaging.

[jmdrake]

Again, you are misunderstanding what is going on because you aren't paying attention to anything except MSM..

Kanye liked MANY things that Scott Adams was saying about what Kanye said!!! So Kanye essentially endorsed Scott Adams as a spokesperson for Kanye.

:rolleyes: 1) That still doesn't make Scott Adams an official spokesperson. 2) That says nothing about PJW. 3) You still haven't addressed your abject ignorance for saying "Kanye is talking about ideas. TMZ is talking about people. " when I was revering to Kanye's statements that Kanye made on TMZ including the statement at the heart of the controversy and 4) If Kanye can't be allowed to speak for himself, if he needs Scott Adams or anyone else to explain what he is saying, then why the hell should anybody pay him any attention?

[dannno]

:rolleyes: 1) That still doesn't make Scott Adams an official spokesperson. 2) That says nothing about PJW. 3) You still haven't addressed your abject ignorance for saying "Kanye is talking about ideas. TMZ is talking about people. " when I was revering to Kanye's statements that Kanye made on TMZ including the statement at the heart of the controversy and 4) If Kanye can't be allowed to speak for himself, if he needs Scott Adams or anyone else to explain what he is saying, then why the hell should anybody pay him any attention?

The synthesis of what Kanye, Candace Owens, Scott Adams and PJW are all saying is very powerful and awesome. It is a very coherent and cohesive message. Some smart people get it. You remain ignorant by choice.

The synthesis of what is on the MSM is kinda sucky because they suck and that is all you have admittedly seen. I steer clear of the MSM completely for the most part. People who ingest a lot of MSM bullshit tend to spew a lot of bullshit.

But hey, you don't like Trump and the MSM doesn't like Trump so according to you the MSM must be pro-liberty with regard to Trump. Keep believing that and see how far it gets you.

[jmdrake]

The synthesis of what Kanye, Candace Owens, Scott Adams and PJW are all saying is very powerful and awesome. It is a very coherent and cohesive message. Some smart people get it. You remain ignorant by choice.


In other words you're just using Kanye like a punk whore. What he says can't stand on its own because he's not coherent. It's like Alex Jones used Charlie Sheen when Charlie was obviously having a mental breakdown. It's sad, disgusting and unethical. I'm not being "ignorant" at all. I see what's going on far better than you. Or maybe I'm just more ethical. The Alex Jones "Pizzagate" media that caused Ben Swann to lose credibility by covering a fake pedophile scandal and poisoned the well for going after the real pedophile scandal (Jeff Epstein and friends and how Bill Clinton visited Orgy Island and Jeff Epstein recruited from Donald Trump's Mar-a-lago even after Trump knew he was a pedophile) is a cancer on the liberty movement. I tell you what. When you can show me a video of Paul Joseph Watson or any of the other infowars clowns covering Trump's executive order on face scanning cameras, I'll watch it. Until then you cannot convince me that the whole lot of them are not controlled opposition working for the New World Order they falsely claim to oppose. Your going only with that crap is willful ignorance and you know it.