Trump Threatens To ‘Close Down The Country’ If Border Wall Doesn’t Get Funding

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-threatens-shutdown-over-wall_us_5ae539fce4b02baed1bac833

The entire country? "If I don't get what I want, nobody gets anything."


WASHINGTON, Michigan (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald on Saturday threatened to shut down the federal government in September if Congress did not provide more funding to build a wall on the border with Mexico.

“That wall has started, we have 1.6 billion (dollars),” Trump said at a campaign rally in Washington, Michigan.

“We come up again on September 28th and if we don’t get border security we will have no choice, we will close down the country because we need border security.”

Trump made a similar threat in March to push for changes in immigration law that he says would prevent criminals from entering the country. The government briefly shut down in January over immigration.

A $1.3 trillion spending bill, which Trump signed last month, will keep the government funded through the end of September. A government shutdown ahead of the November mid-elections is unlikely to be supported by his fellow Republicans who are keen to keep control of the U.S. Congress.

Trump cited the hundreds of Central American migrants traveling in a “caravan” as one of the reasons for strong border security.

“Watch the caravan, watch how sad and terrible it is, including for those people and the crime that they inflict on themselves and that others inflict on them,” said Trump.

“It’s a horrible dangerous journey for them and they come up because they know once they can get here they can walk right into our country.”

Migrants, who include women and children, have said they fled their homes in Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras because of death threats from gangs, the murder of family members or political persecution.

[Raginfridus]

Don't tease me like this.

[nikcers]

Don't tease me like this.
Prediction: Trump will use wall funding as an excuse to sign another omnibus. He will say- I had to make a devils bargain, in order to get what we need.

[Zippyjuan]

Prediction: Trump will use wall funding as an excuse to sign another omnibus. He will say- I had to make a devils bargain, in order to get what we need.

Keep in mind that Trump says lots of things at his rallies he never follows up on- he wants the adoration of the crowds and gives them what he thinks they want to hear. Also the timeline would be in September- just before the fall elections- and Republicans could be hurt by voters for a shutdown increasing the risks of losing both the House and the Senate at midterms.

[Pauls' Revere]

Don't tease me like this.

ROFLMAO! :D

[RonZeplin]

"Wall" is a code word for Illegal Alien DACA Amnesty, aka "Bill Of Love".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS4oWmyuikE

President Trump is "pushing DACA" amnesty @9:00....

Trump is likely to succeed with his lying flip-flop strategy, where Bush and Obama failed. The result will be the second Reconquista Republican amnesty. Make Aztlan Great Again?

http://24ahead.com/images/george-bush-aztlan-partisan.jpg

[kpitcher]

Has he stopped saying Mexico will pay for it?
For a tit for tat I think the dems should try to pass a resolution allowing a wall to be built, as soon as Mexico funding comes in.

[Zippyjuan]

Has he stopped saying Mexico will pay for it?
For a tit for tat I think the dems should try to pass a resolution allowing a wall to be built, as soon as Mexico funding comes in.

Yeah, he has dropped that line for now.

During the campaign he said everything would be free. Europe would pay for expanding our military. Mexico would pay for the wall. Tax cuts for the middle class would be off-set by tax increases on somebody else.

[dannno]

Has he stopped saying Mexico will pay for it?



Yeah, he has dropped that line for now..

Uh, no he hasn't.. Mexico is going to pay for it through trade negotiations. That's what he has been saying for years.

[Zippyjuan]

Uh, no he hasn't.. Mexico is going to pay for it through trade negotiations. That's what he has been saying for years.

He can't force Mexico to pay for anything. What is he willing to offer Mexico if they do agree to pay for it? But if Mexico IS going to pay for it, why try to blackmail Congress into paying for it? His comments this week did not include any references to Mexico paying anything for the wall. Earlier he also said the US Military would pay for the wall out of their budget.

He is in no hurry to reach a trade deal with Mexico and Canada. And since the aluminum and steel tariffs are not in effect for those countries while NAFTA is still being negotiated- they aren't in any hurry either.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-12/trump-is-said-to-further-soften-demand-on-nafta-car-content


Trump Threatens Endless Nafta Talks After Walk-Back on Autos


Donald Trump says he’s willing to “renegotiate forever” on Nafta, a threat that comes as his trade office again softens its marquee demand for changes to the auto sector.

The president, speaking Thursday at the White House, said renegotiation of the North American Free Trade Agreement with Canada and Mexico is progressing well but there isn’t a timeline for reaching a deal -- in part because the uncertainty of talks is already discouraging investment outside the U.S. “As long as we have this negotiation going, nobody’s going to build billion-dollar plants in Mexico,” Trump said.

[dannno]

He can't force Mexico to pay for anything. What is he willing to offer Mexico if they do agree to pay for it? But if Mexico IS going to pay for it, why try to blackmail Congress into paying for it? His comments this week did not include any references to Mexico paying anything for the wall. Earlier he also said the US Military would pay for the wall out of their budget.

He is in no hurry to reach a trade deal with Mexico and Canada. And since the aluminum and steel tariffs are not in effect for those countries while NAFTA is still being negotiated- they aren't in any hurry either.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-12/trump-is-said-to-further-soften-demand-on-nafta-car-content

You never learn, this has all been explained before. The US has been on the shitty side of trade deals that have been costing us since WWII. Trump is saying enough is enough, and doing some tough renegotiating. Trump is willing to let negotiations run on because Mexico knows they are getting a good deal and will do whatever they can to hold out, but they will negotiate something that will be much better for us, and for both sides.. because it will be better than no deal. Mexico will pay for the wall.

[Zippyjuan]

You never learn, this has all been explained before. The US has been on the $#@!ty side of trade deals that have been costing us since WWII. Trump is saying enough is enough, and doing some tough renegotiating. Trump is willing to let negotiations run on because Mexico knows they are getting a good deal and will do whatever they can to hold out, but they will negotiate something that will be much better for us, and for both sides.. because it will be better than no deal. Mexico will pay for the wall.

So how are we going to force Mexico to give us the money to pay for the wall (estimated to cost as much as $70 billion- and construction estimates tend to be very low- not including acquiring any land)?

$70 billion could purchase, stock, and staff four aircraft carriers (about $13 billion each).

"If he asks nicely, they will be happy to give us the money because his name is Trump!"

[navy-vet]

The money for the wall will be collected indirectly and will come from Mexico. That was obvious the moment that he said they would pay for it.:cool:

[Zippyjuan]

The money for the wall will be collected indirectly and will come from Mexico. That was obvious the moment that he said they would pay for it.:cool:

We could have people with collection cups taking donations at crossing points.

[oyarde]

He should really fuck with them and lay out a plan to conscript welfare recipients to wall building camps .

[Swordsmyth]

He should really $#@! with them and lay out a plan to conscript welfare recipients to wall building camps .
We need to get you a job as Trump's personal advisor.

[navy-vet]

We could have people with collection cups taking donations at crossing points.
or:
https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/29/politics/can-mexico-pay-for-wall-trnd/index.html

[Zippyjuan]

or:
https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/29/politics/can-mexico-pay-for-wall-trnd/index.html

The tariff option would cost Mexico jobs and money so more Mexicans may try to get to the US to look for work.

[Dr.3D]

The tariff option would cost Mexico jobs and money so more Mexicans may try to get to the US to look for work.

LOL, and there will be work for them, building that wall. :p

[Swordsmyth]

LOL, and there will be work for them, building that wall. :p

And then digging a canal.

[Dr.3D]

And then digging a canal.
Yeah, we could compete with the Panama Canal for income and help pay for the wall that way too. :p

[Swordsmyth]

Yeah, we could compete with the Panama Canal for income and help pay for the wall that way too. :p

Now you are reading my mind.

[nikcers]

Keep in mind that Trump says lots of things at his rallies he never follows up on- he wants the adoration of the crowds and gives them what he thinks they want to hear. Also the timeline would be in September- just before the fall elections- and Republicans could be hurt by voters for a shutdown increasing the risks of losing both the House and the Senate at midterms.
What do you mean ISIS got bombed and Russia had to pay for it. No doubt Mexico will pay for the wall. No doubt he is going after Iran, that was what he promised at rallies.

[Jan2017]

Prediction: Trump will use wall funding as an excuse to sign another omnibus. He will say- I had to make a devils bargain, in order to get what we need.
Prediction . . .

https://s26.postimg.cc/g88q613jd/borderzones01.jpg (https://postimages.org/)


All but the San Diego Sector will get funding for border walls, fences, and land mines dependent on effectiveness for the particular geological terrain
where MOST needed to keep all the flourishing Mexico opium poppy farmers from the ATVing of their processed product across the desert at
the fave key Gulf Cartel and el Chapo Cartel locations.

Marta Sector is notorious for this ATVing, and as one can often see the ATV tracks at the Interstate rest stops in the morning sun due south of the McDonald Observatory in west Texas.

San Diego sector needs MORE Mexico immigrants to fill the San Diego homeless shelters as the CA gov refuses to put national security
interests at the Mexcali border without national guard. San Diego should be a great place to camp out in shopping malls as well
for the expected summer 2018 influx.

So . . . everyone gets what they need.

[jmdrake]

Uh, no he hasn't.. Mexico is going to pay for it through trade negotiations. That's what he has been saying for years.

Did Mexico pay for Trump's face scanning cameras?

[Voluntarist]

xxxxx

[nikcers]

Did Mexico pay for Trump's face scanning cameras?
I've been thinking about this ever since they made this into a serious political debate and the very best reason for having a wall in between the United States and Mexico would be in the case of a regime change. Either to keep us in because an anti liberty American regime always has people fleeing to Mexico to escape government tyranny, or regime change in Mexico.

Going by the way that Trump has treated the government of Mexico I would think that regime change in Mexico is something the deep state wants, but can't have. They don't want a flood of immigrants coming here if the Mexican government collapsed and civil war broke out. The liberals would probably just want to let all of them come here, and the deep state probably doesn't want that.

So when he says Mexico will pay for it I think he means they will pay for it in blood, not sweat or tears.

[Jan2017]

It will be us minarchists dream come true . . . no federal government and a border wall.


. . .
So when he says Mexico will pay for it I think he means they will pay for it in blood, not sweat or tears.

Sweat doubtful - ain't even havin' Mexicans work on the border wall on their prison detail.

I think it will be in land . . . a one-mile strip of neutral land . . .
The fishin' and huntin' on the "DMZ-type" border zone on the south side of the Rio Grande could be interesting though . . . lots of dead bodies courtesy of the rampant Mexico Gulf Cartel.

[Jan2017]

PREDICTION: The newspaper article will start:
"Jose Hernandez, age 9, was blown up today while riding on his ATV in ..."

And the Sarah Sanders press release will be:
"Well we put up signs ..."

Underage driving . . . so kid would die on any public road anyway.

Don't put up a legitimate and respected border between the sovereign nations and
continue to let Mexico abuse the immigration quota for every other nation of the world for a couple more decades (?)

NO BORDER WALL -DO IT FOR THE CHILDREN !

[Voluntarist]

xxxxx

[Swordsmyth]

U.S. President Donald Trump said on Sunday he would allow the federal government to shut down if Democrats do not fund his border wall and back immigration law changes, betting that maintaining a hard line will work in Republicans’ favor in November congressional elections.

“I would be willing to ‘shut down’ government if the Democrats do not give us the votes for Border Security, which includes the Wall! Must get rid of Lottery, Catch & Release etc. and finally go to system of Immigration based on MERIT! We need great people coming into our Country!” Trump said on Twitter.

Congress must agree on a spending measure to fund the government by a Sept. 30 deadline.

More at: https://in.reuters.com/article/usa-immigration-trump/trump-threatens-u-s-government-shutdown-over-border-wall-idINKBN1KJ0FX

[Zippyjuan]

He made the same threat before- and signed it anyways. He won't veto it right before the elections when his party would be blamed for a shutdown.

[oyarde]

Shut it down .

[Anti Federalist]

he would allow the federal government to shut down

Good.

[euphemia]

We have been funding a wall, fence, or whatever since before 2006. Wish I had a chart showing just how much money we have poured into a barrier at the border. Nobody has gotten it done yet, but we have sure been paying for it.

Link (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006)

Looks like Trump is following the law that Bush and Obama should have followed.

[Zippyjuan]

I don't see why he is so excited. He said Mexico was going to pay for the wall anyways.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEAH5RRNBoA

[enhanced_deficit]

This could be a 3D chess move from the art of the deal.



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WALL FUNDING OFF TABLE
USA GIVING $4.8 BILLION TO MEXICO
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