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goldenequity
04-05-2018, 04:36 PM
Still 'active' and on the current drawing boards...
Any/each Presidential Omnibus 'rescission' would be a 'request' and would require Congressional approval.
If they agree to vote (1st hurdle)
then a simple majority can approve/disapprove. (2nd hurdle)
I say go for it.


WH Considers Using Obscure Law To Gut Omnibus Bill, Democrats Helpless To Stop
https://conservativetribune.com/wh-considers-using-obscure-law-to-gut-omnibus-bill-democrats-helpless-to-stop/

The Impoundment Control Act allows the president to ask Congress to rescind funds that have been allocated in the budget.
Congress is not required to vote on the request, but if they do agree to vote, a simple majority in both chambers
is all that is needed to approve cuts the president requests.

Congress has 45 days to approve any or all rescission requests from the president.

The Impoundment Control Act was put in place in 1974 in response
to President Richard Nixon’s practice of withholding funds for programs he opposed.
Instead, the act requires any requests to withhold funding to go through Congress.

The Impoundment Control Act is considered obscure because it hasn’t been used often in recent years.
The Examiner report says it was never used by Presidents Barack Obama or George W. Bush,
but was used frequently during the administrations of Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush and Bill Clinton.

These measures could pass with just a majority vote, meaning Democrats could do nothing to stop them —
unless, of course, they can convince enough Republicans not to support the president’s wishes.

Considering the slim 51-to-49 majority Republicans hold in the Senate, it wouldn’t take many left-leaning Republicans to foil the president’s plans.

But a chance to rescind some of the budget programs gives conservatives reason for hope —
and if Republicans throw away that chance, it will make conservatives angry all over again.

Zippyjuan
04-05-2018, 05:22 PM
Actually the Dems can stop it. It would require 60 in the Senate to vote with the president to remove funding for any portion of the budget. Republicans would need at least eight Democrats voting with every single Republican. Not gonna happen.

Swordsmyth
04-05-2018, 05:25 PM
Actually the Dems can stop it. It would require 60 in the Senate to vote with the president to remove funding for any portion of the budget. Republicans would need at least eight Democrats voting with every single Republican. Not gonna happen.

Unless they go nuclear.

Zippyjuan
04-05-2018, 05:29 PM
Unless they go nuclear.

Which they are reluctant to do since if they lose control in the elections this fall, Dems could pass whatever they want (or stop anything Republicans want).

Swordsmyth
04-05-2018, 05:36 PM
Which they are reluctant to do since if they lose control in the elections this fall, Dems could pass whatever they want (or stop anything Republicans want).
Which Dems will be happy to do anyway if they win.

TheCount
04-05-2018, 05:50 PM
Nope.

Zippyjuan
04-05-2018, 05:52 PM
Which Dems will be happy to do anyway if they win.

They won't for the same reason- so they still can have some say when they are again out of power.

Swordsmyth
04-05-2018, 05:59 PM
They won't for the same reason- so they still can have some say when they are again out of power.
That isn't how it has worked in the past, Dems don't play by the rules and then the RINOs do anyway.

Zippyjuan
04-05-2018, 06:09 PM
That isn't how it has worked in the past, Dems don't play by the rules and then the RINOs do anyway.

Examples of Democrats using the Nuclear Option?

Swordsmyth
04-05-2018, 06:12 PM
Examples of Democrats using the Nuclear Option?

Reid triggers ‘nuclear option’ to change Senate rules, end repeat filibustershttp://thehill.com/homenews/senate/186133-reid-triggers-nuclear-option-to-change-senate-rules-and-prohibit-post-cloture-filibusters

Zippyjuan
04-05-2018, 06:20 PM
Reid triggers ‘nuclear option’ to change Senate rules, end repeat filibustershttp://thehill.com/homenews/senate/186133-reid-triggers-nuclear-option-to-change-senate-rules-and-prohibit-post-cloture-filibusters

Thank you but that applied to approval of nominations to government posts and judges other than the Supreme Court (but not legislation). Republicans expanded it to include Supreme Court nominees to get Gorsuch through.

Swordsmyth
04-05-2018, 06:24 PM
Thank you but that applied to approval of nominations to government posts and judges other than the Supreme Court (but not legislation). Republicans expanded it to include Supreme Court nominees to get Gorsuch through.

That is only one example, Dems break the rules far more often to get what they want and the RINOs play by the rules anyway because most of the time they want to lose.

r3volution 3.0
04-05-2018, 10:06 PM
There won't be any "gutting" (that would require that someone care about reckless spending, which no one does).

Assuming anything at all happens, it'll be some kind of maneuvering to get more spending, for The Great Wall of Donald.

...which, recall, was the only reason Trump objected to the bill in the first place.