David Hogg was at Home During the Parkland Shooting

[donnay]

David Hogg was at Home During the Parkland Shooting

By Danny Wolf - March 26, 2018

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In a recently released excerpt of a CBS video documentary with the students behind the March For Our Lives movement, David Hogg candidly admits he wasn’t at Marjory Douglas Stoneman High School during the shooting.

He explains that he was at home, and adds that he grabbed his camera so he could get footage of the events to advance his aspiring future career in journalism.

On the day of the shooting, I got my camera and got on my bike and rode as fast as I could three miles from my house to the school to get as much video and to get as many interviews as I could because I knew that this could not be another mass shooting.

He doesn’t elaborate on why he was at home during the shooting, and admits he didn’t know most of the students who were killed.

I didn’t know most of these people at a very personal level, but I wanted to make their voices heard and that’s what I’m really trying to do.

These statements are in direct conflict with Hogg’s earlier interview with Time Magazine. Here’s an excerpt of that interview:

When Hogg heard a “pop” while sitting in an AP environmental science class around 2:30 p.m. Wednesday, he told his teacher it sounded strangely like a gunshot. But there had been a fire drill that very morning and talk of a “Code Red” exercise to prepare for an active shooter. This must just be a surprise drill, he reasoned.

The full CBS documentary is yet to be released, but the excerpt is now available. You can watch the video below, Hogg’s statements on being home during the shooting start right after the 4:30 mark.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=487&v=IUOkBv6wMhc
https://columbianpost.com/latest-news/david-hogg-home-parkland-shooting/

[angelatc]

Damn. I hope it's true.

[Swordsmyth]

Those behind the shooting wouldn't want their own kids at risk.

[Anti Globalist]

This kid needs to go away. His 15 minutes of fame are up. The Taco Bell drive thru is backing up he needs to go back to work.

[Brian4Liberty]

Is this a surprise?

From exactly one month ago:


I believe he is a student there, but he certainly has career ambitions to be a leftist activist or CNN actor. There was an interview with him where he admitted that he didn't even know there was a real shooting at the school until he saw headlines. He was either no where near the shooting, or not even on campus at the time.

That kid ranks right up there with Chuck Schumer and Adam Schiff on the "face you'd like to punch" meter.

[jkr]

Okay what the actual f***

I never like to jump to conclusions I just don't have the mat for it ...BUT, this smells like a fking op bigger than BEAR shit and if it is heads should roll I mean that people should have their heads chopped off with a guillotine in public for punishment for treason.

or if you prefer they can be hung as the law states, (like they follow any laws anyway).

[dannno]

The only thing I can think of that might square all this up is if he was in his AP Environmental Studies class at around 2:30, heard a 'pop', thought it was a drill, then once they saw the headlines and realized it was a shooting, he started video taping his classmates on his phone, then when they let everybody out he rode his bike home, got his high quality camera, rode his bike back and did interviews with students.. but why would the students still be at school? Still doesn't make a lot of sense, and it would be interesting if somebody could rip a hole in this theory.

[Swordsmyth]

Okay what the actual f***

I never like to jump to conclusions I just don't have the mat for it ...BUT, this smells like a fking op bigger than BEAR sh it s*and if it is head should roll I mean that people should have their heads chopped off with a guillotine in public for punishment for treason.

or if you prefer they can be hung as the law states, (like they follow any laws anyway).
Firing squads: the ultimate ironic justice in this case.

[Raginfridus]

Fake as a $3 bill.

[Brian4Liberty]

The only thing I can think of that might square all this up is if he was in his AP Environmental Studies class at around 2:30, heard a 'pop', thought it was a drill, then once they saw the headlines and realized it was a shooting, he started video taping his classmates on his phone, then when they let everybody out he rode his bike home, got his high quality camera, rode his bike back and did interviews with students.. but why would the students still be at school? Still doesn't make a lot of sense, and it would be interesting if somebody could rip a hole in this theory.

It's pretty simple. He was at home watching CNN, and when the headlines came on about a possible shooting at his school, he grabbed his camera and rode his bike to school, long after the fact. No doubt he was looking for a chance to get his face on CNN.

[axiomata]

Well at least we have confirmed he wasn't a crisis actor as actors need to be on set.

[spudea]

why would he contradict himself now, on video? I don't think he is that stupid? or is he? This is an edited clip. This is bait. They will release the full version where he adds the needed context, then he will claim victim status once again to demonize any critics.

Seriously if he wasn't at the school at the time, not a single other student would call him out on it publicly?

[donnay]

why would he contradict himself now, on video? I don't think he is that stupid? or is he? This is an edited clip. This is bait. They will release the full version where he adds the needed context, then he will claim victim status once again to demonize any critics.

Seriously if he wasn't at the school at the time, not a single other student would call him out on it publicly?

When this gets out to enough people, Youtube will just delete it like they did with his profanity-laden video acting like a little punk, which is no longer available. It will go down the memory hole.

[devil21]

why would he contradict himself now, on video? I don't think he is that stupid? or is he? This is an edited clip. This is bait. They will release the full version where he adds the needed context, then he will claim victim status once again to demonize any critics.

Seriously if he wasn't at the school at the time, not a single other student would call him out on it publicly?

Yeah I agree, such an obvious oversight wouldn't have slipped through. They're not going through all these hoops of media blanketing, rallies, etc just to screw up something so simple. Everyone should tread lightly with this, for sure.

[fcreature]

update:


*Update: After being supplied with further information from CBS via the Washington Examiner’s inquiry, it has come to our attention that CBS released the video segment out of context. Hogg was referring to his returning to the school that night to interview witnesses.

[Anti Federalist]

https://i.imgur.com/dXRGspo.jpg

https://columbianpost.com/latest-news/david-hogg-home-parkland-shooting/

Rule number 1 - If the headline of an article is in the form of a question, the answer is almost always "no".

[pcosmar]

Seriously if he wasn't at the school at the time, not a single other student would call him out on it publicly?

Seriously? They have but no media coverage and video is yanked off the net.

Fake News is not allowed,, only the Official news.

[angelatc]

Seriously if he wasn't at the school at the time, not a single other student would call him out on it publicly?

How would we hear?

[Original_Intent]

Seriously, my biggest fear is that someone decide to take matters into their own hands and beat the living crap (or worse) out of this kid. He certainly needs it, but making a martyr out of this punk would just give the left the ammo they need. Probably not a concern as I'll bet he has a well-armed security detail...

It does drive me a little crazy how the media is falling all over themselves to promote this tool.

[Swordsmyth]

Seriously, my biggest fear is that someone decide to take matters into their own hands and beat the living crap (or worse) out of this kid. He certainly needs it, but making a martyr out of this punk would just give the left the ammo they need. Probably not a concern as I'll bet he has a well-armed security detail...

It does drive me a little crazy how the media is falling all over themselves to promote this tool.

He is being groomed for bigger things:
David Hogg's Next Crusade: Opposing Voter Identification Laws (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?520766-David-Hogg-s-Next-Crusade-Opposing-Voter-Identification-Laws)

If we lose the political/cultural war he may be President for life one day.

All hail his glorious majesty, ruler of the United States of Hazzard:


J.D. Hogg:
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2F736x%2Fb2%2Ff6%2F5 3%2Fb2f653c3d1e07baac4798e426c83cc0f--sorrell-booke-dukes-of-hazard.jpg&f=1



Huey Hogg:
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fimg4.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb2014 0309192344%2Fdukes-of-hazzard%2Fimages%2Fb%2Fbe%2FHughie_Hogg_in_episode _.png&f=1



Dewey Hogg:
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fvignette2.wikia.nocookie.net%2Fdu kes-of-hazzard%2Fimages%2F2%2F2b%2FDewey.png%2Frevision%2 Flatest%3Fcb%3D20140310231338&f=1



David Hogg:
https://columbianpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/IMG_3202-696x392.jpg

[angelatc]

update:


*Update: After being supplied with further information from CBS via the Washington Examiner’s inquiry, it has come to our attention that CBS released the video segment out of context. Hogg was referring to his returning to the school that night to interview witnesses.

What parent would allow this?

[TxRedneck]

The only thing I can think of that might square all this up is if he was in his AP Environmental Studies class at around 2:30, heard a 'pop', thought it was a drill, then once they saw the headlines and realized it was a shooting, he started video taping his classmates on his phone, then when they let everybody out he rode his bike home, got his high quality camera, rode his bike back and did interviews with students.. but why would the students still be at school? Still doesn't make a lot of sense, and it would be interesting if somebody could rip a hole in this theory.


You mean sort of like it says in the article update"l"?

[dannno]

You mean sort of like it says in the article update"l"?

Who could have predicted :confused:

[donnay]

David Hogg Wild


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=47&v=8aYUOqZrhos

BY: David Rutz
March 27, 2018 5:00 am

Stoneman Douglas High School shooting survivor David Hogg has become one of the faces of the young movement for gun control in the U.S., and he's hardly been subtle in his demands for sweeping changes to the nation's laws.

From a profanity-laced interview with The Outline that called out "pathetic fuckers that want to keep killing our children," to saying Sen. Marco Rubio (R., Fla.) took $1.05 for the life of every student's life in Florida, to calling the National Rifle Association "child murderers," Hogg—who dealt with false accusations of being a crisis actor in the aftermath of the shooting—has taken to inflammatory rhetoric to get his point across.

Don't expect Hogg to tone anything down; he told CNN on Monday he hasn't been "provocative enough."
http://freebeacon.com/issues/david-hogg-wild/

[fcreature]

What parent would allow this?

My thought as well...

I was in a school shooting freshmen year of high school. No way my parents would have let me ride my bike back to school after getting home. It would have been impossible anyway. We were locked up for hours until the police secured the scene then we were bussed to another school where everyone's parents were directed to pick us up.

By time we got home it was pretty late and no way were the police letting anyone on the high school campus...

[donnay]

https://i.imgur.com/dXRGspo.jpg

https://columbianpost.com/latest-news/david-hogg-home-parkland-shooting/

Rule number 1 - If the headline of an article is in the form of a question, the answer is almost always "no".

That question mark was not there when I first posted the article.

[Anti Federalist]

That question mark was not there when I first posted the article.

I would then question the reliability of the author and his source, if he added it after the fact.

It appears that the quote was taken out of context, that what he was referring to was him going back to the school later in the day, to get statements.

This is too important to get wrong.

False accusations, conjecture and conspiracy theories against this kid and their movement only serves to make them that much stronger and martyrs in the eyes of public opinion.

[Anti Federalist]

What parent would allow this?

It strains credulity to think he would be able to get within 1000 yards of the place, what with every cop in a 200 mile radius hut hutting about after the fact, looking to get their beat on somebody.

That said, I stand by what I said before, this is way too important to cloud the issue with half truths and conjecture and "maybes?"...there are enough firm facts to shoot these clowns down, no pun intended, without that.

[donnay]

I would then question the reliability of the author and his source, if he added it after the fact.

It appears that the quote was taken out of context, that what he was referring to was him going back to the school later in the day, to get statements.

This is too important to get wrong.

False accusations, conjecture and conspiracy theories against this kid and their movement only serves to make them that much stronger and martyrs in the eyes of public opinion.

I am sure the author was pressured to change it. In David Hoggs own words he says this! Then it was said that CBS took it out of context. I'm with other people here who said, what parent would allow their child to go back to a school to take photos and talk to students after a shooting? I think the agenda is pretty clear here, this kid is protected to serve their purpose. Never let a good crisis go to waste...

[donnay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1Tg9DjDJdg



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4L7VS4TMMw

[shakey1]

That kid ranks right up there with Chuck Schumer and Adam Schiff on the "face you'd like to punch" meter.

I'm not a violent person, but yeah, this^^.

[fedupinmo]

https://i.imgur.com/o20DSe1l.jpg

[Lamp]

What a dumb cunt..........

[Brian4Liberty]

update:


*Update: After being supplied with further information from CBS via the Washington Examiner’s inquiry, it has come to our attention that CBS released the video segment out of context. Hogg was referring to his returning to the school that night to interview witnesses.

That explanation would be consistent with an interview I saw with him at the time. He said he didn't know there was a shooting until he saw the headlines. So apparently a lot of kids went home thinking it was a drill. He saw the headline, realized there really was a shooting, and went back to the school to "get interviews" (be interviewed).

[nobody's_hero]

Seriously, my biggest fear is that someone decide to take matters into their own hands and beat the living crap (or worse) out of this kid. He certainly needs it, but making a martyr out of this punk would just give the left the ammo they need. Probably not a concern as I'll bet he has a well-armed security detail...

It does drive me a little crazy how the media is falling all over themselves to promote this tool.

I'm doing my best to try to ignore these kids, really. But my fellow Americans keep pushing for that 16th minute of fame.

[H_H]

This kid needs to go away. Umm, no, absolutely not, because:


That kid ranks right up there with Chuck Schumer and Adam Schiff on the "face you'd like to punch" meter.

Think about it for a minute.

I look forward to hope for at least another 8 months of non-stop coverage of The Kids(TM). Another few marches. Perhaps their own hit primetime show: Boggs & Baldy.

Bring it, bring it, double down! The European-style socialists in the MEDIA have gone too far left, and, bigger problem, the country is starting to shift back K (rightward), so they don't realize their error. They don't realize they're seriously triggering some K-selected amygdalae. They're too far out of whack. So they have lost their ability to persuade the mainstream.

Partially, of course.

Obviously when your group controls everything, you still can exert some heavy-duty crowd-control power. Controlling everything is nice like that.

[Anti Federalist]

I am sure the author was pressured to change it. In David Hoggs own words he says this! Then it was said that CBS took it out of context. I'm with other people here who said, what parent would allow their child to go back to a school to take photos and talk to students after a shooting? I think the agenda is pretty clear here, this kid is protected to serve their purpose. Never let a good crisis go to waste...

The author of the article has now confirmed that the comment was taken out of context by CBS.

*Update: After being supplied with further information from CBS via the Washington Examiner’s inquiry, it has come to our attention that CBS released the video segment out of context. Hogg was referring to his returning to the school that night to interview witnesses.

https://columbianpost.com/latest-news/david-hogg-home-parkland-shooting/

https://i.imgur.com/u9Vu6H9.jpg

[Anti Federalist]

I think the agenda is pretty clear here, this kid is protected to serve their purpose

Of course the kid is protected and serving an agenda.

You do not disprove that with easily discredited bullshit though.

That only improves his position, makes him more credible and weakens our already weak and minority point of view.

This is too important and too critical to fuck up, between disheartened, disgruntled and asleep patriots, about to be gutted by this scatterbrained fraud in the White House and an army GOP Quislings and traitors in the House and Senate, we're on the verge of losing years of progress on the gun rights front, THE ONLY PROGRESS ON INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY THAT CAN ARGUABLY BE SAID TO HAVE MADE GAINS OVER THE LAST THREE OR FOUR DECADES, all driven by a bunch of Bolshevik kids and their enablers.

These people need to be shouted down, loudly, boldly and with facts, not with tales of George Soros Boogeymen and out of context quotes that mean something completely different than what they actually mean.

[angelatc]

Seriously, my biggest fear is that someone decide to take matters into their own hands and beat the living crap (or worse) out of this kid. He certainly needs it, but making a martyr out of this punk would just give the left the ammo they need. Probably not a concern as I'll bet he has a well-armed security detail...

It does drive me a little crazy how the media is falling all over themselves to promote this tool.

I have to keep reminding myself that he is a 17 year old kid who is in way over his head. There is a look in his eyes that isn't normal though. When his 15 minutes are over, I hope he doesn't start shooting people.

[pcosmar]

I have to keep reminding myself that he is a 17 year old kid who is in way over his head. There is a look in his eyes that isn't normal though. When his 15 minutes are over, I hope he doesn't start shooting people.

17 or 24,, he is deeply entrenched and invested in this.. And I suspect his father is complicit if not a driving force.

That would make him a political asset of the FBI.. and Agent of the FBI. (Agent Provocateur )

and complicit with a Media Campaign,, Connected with CNN.. which makes him an agent of the Government pushing an agenda.

No Sympathy for what he reaps.

[parocks]

why would he contradict himself now, on video? I don't think he is that stupid? or is he? This is an edited clip. This is bait. They will release the full version where he adds the needed context, then he will claim victim status once again to demonize any critics.

Seriously if he wasn't at the school at the time, not a single other student would call him out on it publicly?

Yup. Stay away from this one.

He was at the school - during the day - then went home - and then went on TV. School typically ends at what, 3 pm? And TV cameras started showing up - and then they stayed. It was dark out when he was giving interviews. Night time. School, home, and then back to school.

There are a lot of lies in all of this. This is not the lies. Somebody is fcking up here.

[Swordsmyth]

17 or 24,, he is deeply entrenched and invested in this.. And I suspect his father is complicit if not a driving force.

That would make him a political asset of the FBI.. and Agent of the FBI. (Agent Provocateur )

and complicit with a Media Campaign,, Connected with CNN.. which makes him an agent of the Government pushing an agenda.

No Sympathy for what he reaps.

^^^THIS^^^

Those time travel theorists who debate the morality of killing Hitler as a child might be debating whether killing Hogg would be justified 75 years from now.

[Influenza]

^^^THIS^^^

Those time travel theorists who debate the morality of killing Hitler as a child might be debating whether killing Hogg would be justified 75 years from now.
LOL can i have that rep back that i gave u 30 min ago

[Swordsmyth]

LOL can i have that rep back that i gave u 30 min ago

I didn't say it was moral to kill him now, I would insist it isn't but we may be looking at the next Hitler in his larval stage.

[Influenza]

I didn't say it was moral to kill him now, I would insist it isn't but we may be looking at the next Hitler in his larval stage.

http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/politics/2018/03/25/fox-news-poll-voters-favor-gun-measures-doubt-congress-will-act/_jcr_content/article-text/article-par-3/inline_spotlight_ima/image.img.jpg/612/344/1521905527460.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

wow we sure got a lot of future hitlers in our country

[Swordsmyth]

http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/politics/2018/03/25/fox-news-poll-voters-favor-gun-measures-doubt-congress-will-act/_jcr_content/article-text/article-par-3/inline_spotlight_ima/image.img.jpg/612/344/1521905527460.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

wow we sure got a lot of future hitlers in our country

Fake News.

However we do have many budding NAZIs, almost all Demoncrats, a little less than half of Independents and some Republicans.
Hogg is a potential Hitler not just a NAZI because he has the connections and is being groomed for it.

[donnay]

Anti-Gun Activist David Hogg Raises Some Eyebrows After Recent Interview (VIDEO)

by Cristina Laila March 26, 2018

Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School student, David Hogg raised some eyebrows after it appears he told CBS News an under reported version about what transpired on the day Nikolas Cruz went on a shooting spree on February 14th.

Hogg initially told the media he was in his AP Environmental Science class when he heard a “pop” sound and immediately recognized it as a gunshot.

The 17-year-old student describes being huddled in a hot closet with other students during the shooting; he even filmed himself with a camera cell phone.

In a new CBS documentary about the Parkland students called “39 Days,” which aired on Saturday, Hogg says on the day of the shooting he grabbed his camera and quickly rode his bike 3 miles from his house to the school to get interviews.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/IMG_7715-600x338.jpg

CBS transcript:

6 HOURS AFTER THE RALLY
Delaney Tarr: It wasn’t even like an intentional — we all grouped together. It was – we all had these different things that we were saying and different things we were doing that people were responding to. And that was just kind of a natural push to get us to come together and for us to become, like, a united force.

DAVID HOGG: On the day of the shooting, I got my camera and got on my bike and road as fast as I could three miles from my house to the school to get as much video and to get as many interviews as I could because I knew that this could not be another mass shooting.

Hogg also admits he didn’t personally know many of the students who died that day.

DAVID HOGG: I didn’t know most of these people at a very personal level, but I wanted to make their voices heard and that’s what I’m really trying to do.

CBS should have cleared up the context.

This version has been overlooked by most of the media. Vox was first to report this version of the story:

The evening after the shooting, Hogg says, he biked up to the school, where the media was still camped out. This time, he put himself in front of the camera, making his first — but not final — plea for an end to mass shootings. He made another on CNN on Thursday morning, calling on lawmakers to “get something done.”

In an interview with TIME Magazine on the day of the shooting, Hogg says all he could think of during the shooting was “pull out my camera because if we all die the camera survives.”

Hogg told TIME in the hours following the ordeal. “And the only thing I could think of was, pull out my camera and try telling others. As a student journalist, as an aspiring journalist, that’s all I could think: Get other people’s stories on tape. If we all die, the camera survives, and that’s how we get the message out there, about how we want change to be brought about.”

In David Hogg’s interview with CBS he says he jumped on his bike with his camera and rode as fast as he could from his house to the school to get interviews.

Perhaps CBS should’ve clarified the timeline to put this into context.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/03/anti-gun-activist-david-hogg-raises-some-eyebrows-after-recent-interview-video/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

[Influenza]

Fake News.

However we do have many budding NAZIs, almost all Demoncrats, a little less than half of Independents and some Republicans.
Hogg is a potential Hitler not just a NAZI because he has the connections and is being groomed for it.

I can't speak for the other issues, but I've seen many polls about universal background checks and I've even seen them as high as 97% in favor. And probably not the kind of background checks that dylan roof was subject to - basically none at all because of the maximum waiting period. If you aren't in favor of universal background checks you might be a paranoid schizophrenic.

[Swordsmyth]

I can't speak for the other issues, but I've seen many polls about universal background checks and I've even seen them as high as 97% in favor. And probably not the kind of background checks that dylan roof was subject to - basically none at all because of the maximum waiting period. If you aren't in favor of universal background checks you might be a paranoid schizophrenic.

Anti-gunners are the paranoids.

[Influenza]

Anti-gunners are the paranoids.
that's rich coming from the guy who thinks there's a conspiracy around every corner

[Swordsmyth]

that's rich coming from the guy who thinks there's a conspiracy around every corner
Even paranoids have real enemies.

People kill people, the tool doesn't matter and shouldn't be restricted, especially since it doesn't work anyway.

[Influenza]

Even paranoids have real enemies.

People kill people, the tool doesn't matter and shouldn't be restricted, especially since it doesn't work anyway.

The tool certainly does matter, lmao. You don't exactly see dozens of people being killed by lone wolves with knives. You say it shouldn't be restricted because it doesn't work, but... it does work. Look at every other first world country and compare the homicide by firearm rate. And then compare the general homicide rate. Your argument simply doesn't hold up when you look at the numbers.

A far more compelling argument is: no gun should be blanket banned because freedom, which is an argument that I agree with. But to say that there shouldn't be background checks is just fucking lunacy.

[Swordsmyth]

The tool certainly does matter, lmao. You don't exactly see dozens of people being killed by lone wolves with knives. You say it shouldn't be restricted because it doesn't work, but... it does work. Look at every other first world country and compare the homicide by firearm rate. And then compare the general homicide rate. Your argument simply doesn't hold up when you look at the numbers.

A far more compelling argument is: no gun should be blanket banned because freedom, which is an argument that I agree with. But to say that there shouldn't be background checks is just $#@!ing lunacy.

Those lies have been debunked over and over.

[dannno]

But to say that there shouldn't be background checks is just fucking lunacy.

Is it in the Constitution?

[Influenza]

Those lies have been debunked over and over.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Which lies?

Country (homicide by firearm) (overall intentional homicide rate)
US (3.5) (4.88)
France (0.21) (1.58)
UK (0.06) (0.92)
Italy (0.35) (0.78)
Australia (0.18) (0.98)
Japan (0.00) (0.31)
South Korea (0.02) (0.74)

As you can see, no country's overall intentional homicide rate even comes close to the US homicide by firearm rate. An analysis of the data will tell you that murderers choose to do their murdering with other tools in those countries, but they are far less prolific.

Or are the transparent sources of wikipedia lying to us? (conspiracy?)

[Influenza]

Is it in the Constitution?
Don't think so, but of all the shit the gov. does that's against the constitution, it's kind of weird to get hung up on one thing that makes sense

[Swordsmyth]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Which lies?

Country (homicide by firearm) (overall intentional homicide rate)
US (3.5) (4.88)
France (0.21) (1.58)
UK (0.06) (0.92)
Italy (0.35) (0.78)
Australia (0.18) (0.98)
Japan (0.00) (0.31)
South Korea (0.02) (0.74)

As you can see, no country's overall intentional homicide rate even comes close to the US homicide by firearm rate. An analysis of the data will tell you that murderers choose to do their murdering with other tools in those countries, but they are far less prolific.

Or are the transparent sources of wikipedia lying to us? (conspiracy?)

There are other causes of the homicide rate difference, murders have gone down at the same time that gun ownership has gone up.

(and other countries do lie about their homicide rate)

[H_H]

Look at every other first world country and compare the homicide by firearm rate.

Does South Africa count as "First World"?

It sure used to.

Hmm, maybe we should be looking at the rate of some other factor as an explanation for varying violence levels. <shrug>

[H_H]

Country (homicide by firearm) (overall intentional homicide rate)
US (3.5) (4.88)
France (0.21) (1.58)
UK (0.06) (0.92)
Italy (0.35) (0.78)
Australia (0.18) (0.98)
Japan (0.00) (0.31)
South Korea (0.02) (0.74)

Excellent!

I wonder if even more insight could be gained by further examining the copious data that is, for better or worse, at our fingertips?

Does New Hampshire count as a first world country?

Does Louisiana? (Should it?)

I wonder if there's any difference in homicide rate between those two countries.

And if so, hmm, I wonder why.

[Influenza]

Is it in the Constitution?
Actually I changed my mind, a "well-regulated militia" would certainly have some screening process of who can and cannot be part of said militia. You would definitely have to amend the Constitution to blanket ban any firearm, which, ironically we do, but I don't think you would need to to justify background checks.

[Swordsmyth]

Actually I changed my mind, a "well-regulated militia" would certainly have some screening process of who can and cannot be part of said militia. You would definitely have to amend the Constitution to blanket ban any firearm, which, ironically we do, but I don't think you would need to to justify background checks.

That isn't what well regulated means and background checks are an infringement of the right to keep and bear arms.

"The Right to Keep and Bear Arms Shall not be Infringed" is the operative phrase and it is absolute, even if the statement of the goal meant what you said it doesn't change anything.

[Influenza]

Country (homicide by firearm) (overall intentional homicide rate)
US (3.5) (4.88)
France (0.21) (1.58)
UK (0.06) (0.92)
Italy (0.35) (0.78)
Australia (0.18) (0.98)
Japan (0.00) (0.31)
South Korea (0.02) (0.74)

Excellent!

I wonder if even more insight could be gained by further examining the copious data that is, for better or worse, at our fingertips?

Does New Hampshire count as a first world country?

Does Louisiana? (Should it?)

I wonder if there's any difference in homicide rate between those two countries.

And if so, hmm, I wonder why.
I imagine rate of poverty is heavily correlated with rates of violent crime. But honestly, most of Louisiana probably doesn't qualify as first world lul.

People will have fewer reasons to kill others if they are in economically sound situations, which is the prevailing circumstance in New Hampshire.

There are hundreds of factors that contribute to the data, but easy availability of firearms is certainly an important one, and to not admit that is just disingenuous

[fcreature]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Which lies?

Country (homicide by firearm) (overall intentional homicide rate)
US (3.5) (4.88)
France (0.21) (1.58)
UK (0.06) (0.92)
Italy (0.35) (0.78)
Australia (0.18) (0.98)
Japan (0.00) (0.31)
South Korea (0.02) (0.74)

As you can see, no country's overall intentional homicide rate even comes close to the US homicide by firearm rate. An analysis of the data will tell you that murderers choose to do their murdering with other tools in those countries, but they are far less prolific.

Or are the transparent sources of wikipedia lying to us? (conspiracy?)

lol

There is no correlation between gun ownership and gun murder rates. This is a mathematical and statistical fact. If you know how to do math, you can figure it out for yourself.

[Influenza]

That isn't what well regulated means and background checks are an infringement of the right to keep and bear arms.

"The Right to Keep and Bear Arms Shall not be Infringed" is the operative phrase and it is absolute, even if the statement of the goal meant what you said it doesn't change anything.
Please tell me what well regulated means then. I think it certainly means something along the lines of trained, monitored, etc. Aka a process in which a militia should be able to determine who can and cannot be a part of it

[Swordsmyth]

I imagine rate of poverty is heavily correlated with rates of violent crime. But honestly, most of Louisiana probably doesn't qualify as first world lul.

People will have fewer reasons to kill others if they are in economically sound situations, which is the prevailing circumstance in New Hampshire.

There are hundreds of factors that contribute to the data, but easy availability of firearms is certainly an important one, and to not admit that is just disingenuous

It is a totally unimportant factor and you are the disingenuous one.

[Influenza]

It is a totally unimportant factor and you are the disingenuous one.
You literally just say things with no justification whatsoever. Pretty clear indication of someone who can't defend his position

[Swordsmyth]

Please tell me what well regulated means then. I think it certainly means something along the lines of trained, monitored, etc. during which process a militia should be able to determine who can and cannot be a part of it

Well trained is what it means, people who own guns train themselves to shoot and stalk game, therefore our people are to be armed so that they can preserve the free nature of our state at a moment's notice without the need for remedial shooting lessons.

[Swordsmyth]

You literally just say things with no justification whatsoever. Pretty clear indication of someone who can't defend his position

The pot calling the china black.

[Influenza]

lol

There is no correlation between gun ownership and gun murder rates. This is a mathematical and statistical fact. If you know how to do math, you can figure it out for yourself.
100% of gun murderers owned a gun. This is a mathematical and statistical fact.

[angelatc]

Fake News.
.

Perhaps but Fox is the only thing that even closely resembles conservatives. People hate freedom.

[Swordsmyth]

100% of gun murderers owned a gun. This is a mathematical and statistical fact.

And they would have used something else if they didn't own a gun.

Are we sure the virus isn't a sock puppet of Republican guy?

[Influenza]

Well trained is what it means, people who own guns train themselves to shoot and stalk game, therefore our people are to be armed so that they can preserve the free nature of our state at a moment's notice without the need for remedial shooting lessons.
If the people are to solely train themselves, then why stipulate their training at all in the Constitution? The Constitution is for limiting and enumerating the powers of government

[Swordsmyth]

100% of gun murderers owned a gun. This is a mathematical and statistical fact.

Actually many stole the gun, often from government employees.

[Swordsmyth]

If the people are to solely train themselves, then why stipulate their training at all in the Constitution? The Constitution is for limiting and enumerating the powers of government

Who said "solely"?

[Influenza]

And they would have used something else if they didn't own a gun.

Are we sure the virus isn't a sock puppet of Republican guy?
Many of them would use another weapon, and they would also be far less successful with the other weapon. Did you already forget the data on the previous page?

Anyways, this is an issue that 9/10 people agree on, so it's really not me you need to convince, it's the entire country. I think I said most of what there is to say on the issue, so have fun cya bb

[Swordsmyth]

Many of them would use another weapon, and they would also be far less successful with the other weapon. Did you already forget the data on the previous page?
Most murderers only kill one person and mass murderers have more success with bombs, those who want guns get them somehow in spite of laws, you are also ignoring the lives and freedoms saved by guns.


Anyways, this is an issue that 9/10 people agree on, so it's really not me you need to convince, it's the entire country. I think I said most of what there is to say on the issue, so have fun cya bb

Fake news and the important thing is to be right not to be in the majority.

[dannno]

An analysis of the data will tell you that murderers choose to do their murdering with other tools in those countries, but they are far less prolific.


Are you trying to say that the murder rate in other countries is lower than the US?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate


Guns actually save many times more people's lives than they take, especially when you exclude suicides.

[Aratus]

The only thing I can think of that might square all this up is if he was in his AP Environmental Studies class at around 2:30, heard a 'pop', thought it was a drill, then once they saw the headlines and realized it was a shooting, he started video taping his classmates on his phone, then when they let everybody out he rode his bike home, got his high quality camera, rode his bike back and did interviews with students.. but why would the students still be at school? Still doesn't make a lot of sense, and it would be interesting if somebody could rip a hole in this theory.


I agree. Had he said I went home to my house, got my camera, and decided to ride back to the school, then there is no controversy. As it is he is recording first hand eyewitness accounts of the incident. He might not be his own story.

[spudea]

That isn't what well regulated means and background checks are an infringement of the right to keep and bear arms.

"The Right to Keep and Bear Arms Shall not be Infringed" is the operative phrase and it is absolute, even if the statement of the goal meant what you said it doesn't change anything.

No it is not absolute. The supreme court has reaffirmed several times there are valid legal restrictions on who can purchase or keep guns, and in order to do that a background check is used to confirm a legal purchase. You may not like it but there is nothing to support your statement.

[fcreature]

100% of gun murderers owned a gun. This is a mathematical and statistical fact.

That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Try again.

[Swordsmyth]

No it is not absolute. The supreme court has reaffirmed several times there are valid legal restrictions on who can purchase or keep guns, and in order to do that a background check is used to confirm a legal purchase. You may not like it but there is nothing to support your statement.

SCOTUS is wrong.

[spudea]

SCOTUS is wrong.

Feels good to say but the time you've spent thinking and researching the constitution is zero comparatively.

[Swordsmyth]

Feels good to say but the time you've spent thinking and researching the constitution is zero comparatively.

SCOTUS doesn't care about the constitution, the founders were quite clear, the 2nd Amendment is absolute.

[Original_Intent]

I think I just learned how to play 4D chess. Bear with my conspiracy theorist mind...

The deep state offs this kid and false flags it as some right wing militia/gun activist...Not saying his dad would sign off on it, of course, but if anything would "drive the point home" this would be it. It wouldn't matter how brainless, arrogant, or anything else this kid was. He'd be an effing martyr.

[Swordsmyth]

I think I just learned how to play 4D chess. Bear with my conspiracy theorist mind...

The deep state offs this kid and false flags it as some right wing militia/gun activist...Not saying his dad would sign off on it, of course, but if anything would "drive the point home" this would be it. It wouldn't matter how brainless, arrogant, or anything else this kid was. He'd be an effing martyr.

They could fake the death and give him a new identity.

[Ender]

Please tell me what well regulated means then. I think it certainly means something along the lines of trained, monitored, etc. Aka a process in which a militia should be able to determine who can and cannot be a part of it

A well regulated militia during the time the 2nd Amendment was written, meant: local men, 14 yrs of age & up, ORGANIZED to protect their community. This was for any town or local principality.

At this time, all men- and most women- could shoot a gun and were usually trained as children by their families. Communities were always ready for problems with nature, robber barons, rulers, etc.

This was a well-known and natural form of protection for communities. They were not off to military school to learn how to shoot and kill together, and they were not part of the federal government.

The 2nd Amendment was THE main reason that the states signed on to the Constitution. They knew full well the importance of being able to protect one's self, and one's family, from corrupt take-overs.

[angelatc]

100% of gun murderers owned a gun. This is a mathematical and statistical fact.

100% of gun murderers used guns, perhaps. Ownership is less.

[angelatc]

Feels good to say but the time you've spent thinking and researching the constitution is zero comparatively.He's right. SCOTUS is wrong.

Show me anything written by a founder to support your contention, which is that they intended to give the government the right to infringe.

[Swordsmyth]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Which lies?

Country (homicide by firearm) (overall intentional homicide rate)
US (3.5) (4.88)
France (0.21) (1.58)
UK (0.06) (0.92)
Italy (0.35) (0.78)
Australia (0.18) (0.98)
Japan (0.00) (0.31)
South Korea (0.02) (0.74)

As you can see, no country's overall intentional homicide rate even comes close to the US homicide by firearm rate. An analysis of the data will tell you that murderers choose to do their murdering with other tools in those countries, but they are far less prolific.

Or are the transparent sources of wikipedia lying to us? (conspiracy?)

Fortunately, the calls for more gun control have also inspired several reports in the media noting that Switzerland, despite having one of the highest rates of gun ownership in the world, has an overall murder rate near zero. Among these was a March 24 report in Business Insider by science reporter Hilary Brueck. In her report, Brueck noted that Switzerland hasn’t had a mass shooting since 2001, when a man attacked the local parliament in Zug (the capital of the Swiss canton of the same name), killing 14 people and then himself

The report went on to state that Switzerland, a nation of 8.3 million people, has about two million privately owned guns. Despite this large number of guns in private hands, the country had only 47 homicides in which firearms were used in 2016 and the country’s overall murder rate is near zero.

More at: https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/28600-swiss-example-of-no-mass-shootings-despite-widespread-gun-ownership-worth-citing

[fcreature]

100% of gun murderers used guns, perhaps. Ownership is less.

100% of gun murderers also eat food.

Guess Influenza thinks we need to ban food too?

[brushfire]

I think the statistics are not consistent.

https://crimeresearch.org/2017/02/france-suffered-more-casualties-murders-and-injuries-from-mass-public-shootings-in-2015-than-the-us-has-suffered-during-obamas-entire-presidency-508-to-424-2/

[Brian4Liberty]

Latest information indicates that when Hogg said he found out the shooting was real from "headlines", he saw it on Twitter on his cell phone. Too many interviews and stories that were out of context and no timelines probably caused all of the confusion.

[Anti Federalist]

Anyways, this is an issue that 9/10 people agree on, so it's really not me you need to convince, it's the entire country. I think I said most of what there is to say on the issue, so have fun cya bb

So issues of fundamental liberties and who gets to have them is decided by a popularity contest.

[fedupinmo]

No it is not absolute. The supreme court has reaffirmed several times there are valid legal restrictions on who can purchase or keep guns, and in order to do that a background check is used to confirm a legal purchase. You may not like it but there is nothing to support your statement.

The Supreme Court has ruled that people are property, that wheat grown and consumed on a farm in one state is interstate commerce, and that a tax on every individual isn't a direct tax. Honestly I can't see why anybody gives them any credence whatsoever, especially when they rule specifically against the Constitution to which they owe their very existence.
The law reads that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, but the Supreme Court says that the right can be infringed in whatever fashion you like, if you can get 91% of the retards to support it. Who is correct, the Supreme Law of the land, or the assholes in charge of protecting it?


They could fake the death and give him a new identity.

Boy, that would take a miracle of plastic surgery, wouldn't it? :D

[Swordsmyth]

Boy, that would take a miracle of plastic surgery, wouldn't it? :D

More than for most people :D but not as much as you might think, in a few years they can have him grow a mustache to help.