"Pentagon Money Can be Used to Construct a Border Wall"

[goldenequity]

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(1) ALL RIGHT!

It's true!
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/economic-intelligence/articles/2017-07-19/congress-slyly-diverts-pentagon-money-to-fund-donald-trumps-border-wall

(2) "And at the end of a long and exhausting day (and story), that means Pentagon money can be used to construct a border wall."

(3) That article is from JULY 19, 2017

Nobody caught on.

(4) So...

Trump: Border wall construction will start on Monday
Although the White House requested $25 billion in funding for wall construction, lawmakers included just $1.6 billion in the final version of their omnibus.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/trump-border-wall-construction-will-start-on-monday

(5) "President Trump said Friday that construction of his promised border wall would start 'immediately' after signing the omnibus spending bill, which included $1.6 billion in funding for the wall."

(6) "'We're going to be starting work literally on Monday,' Trump said during an event Friday at the White House.
'We have a lot of money coming to the border.'"

(7) Oh, you sly realDonaldTrump, you!
We sure DO have a lot of money coming to the border, don't we?

(8) It just won't come all at once.

Ha.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/977788831930884096.html


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These are OPINIONS...
we'll see :cool:

[Zippyjuan]

I visited the Berlin Wall while it was still up. They were repairing one section. There was one East German guard with a gun for each worker standing right behind them in case they decided to defect.


Trump: Border wall construction will start on Monday


Construction will not begin Monday. There are no materials or workers in place to possibly do so. They don't even have any plans drawn up or designs finalized.

[TheCount]

Fan fiction

[kcchiefs6465]

Let us assume this is true, so you are okay with spending 1.3 trillion dollars so that 25 billion dollars can be funneled to build a border wall?

In what universe is that a worthy trade off?

[acptulsa]

Then Congress had better earmark those funds, or they had better figure out how to justify building land defenses with Coast Guard money.




Sec. 15. From and after the passage of this act it shall not be lawful to employ any part of the Army of the United States, as a posse comitatus, or otherwise, for the purpose of executing the laws, except in such cases and under such circumstances as such employment of said force may be expressly authorized by the Constitution or by act of Congress ; and no money appropriated by this act shall be used to pay any of the expenses incurred in the employment of any troops in violation of this section and any person willfully violating the provisions of this section shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction thereof shall be punished by fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars or imprisonment not exceeding two years or by both such fine and imprisonment

Fan fiction.

[Superfluous Man]

ALL RIGHT!

It's true!

What's with the exclamation points?

You're not for a border wall, are you?

[goldenequity]

What's with the exclamation points?

You're not for a border wall, are you?

They're not mine...
part of original trumpster tweet.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/977788831930884096.html

[Swordsmyth]

I visited the Berlin Wall while it was still up. They were repairing one section. There was one East German guard with a gun for each worker standing right behind them in case they decided to defect.

Which side of the wall were you on?

[goldenequity]

Which side of the wall were you on?

R U going to be here all week?

[Jan2017]

Construction will not begin Monday. There are no materials or workers in place to possibly do so. They don't even have any plans drawn up or designs finalized.

Huh, no materials or workers ?

Do the first prototypes count (?) - 'cause they are already started.

https://s26.postimg.org/l4sunxjwp/prototype02a.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Cleaner44]

Which side of the wall were you on?

Maybe Zippy is a Russian bot?

[Swordsmyth]

Maybe Zippy is a Russian bot?

More like a communist sleeper.

[charrob]

I'm confused. :o Sorry. Just not familiar with how the government appropriates money. From the article:



But the House Armed Services Committee version of the annual Pentagon policy bill included a common-sense provision to make sure the Pentagon isn't tasked with paying for the wall: "Section 1039. Rule of construction regarding use of Department of Defense funding of a border wall. None of the funds authorized to be appropriated by this act or otherwise made available for the fiscal year 2018 for the Department of Defense may be used to plan, develop or construct any barriers, including walls or fences, along the international border of the United States."


I thought that spending bills only incorporated monies spent for the current fiscal year. As GoldenEquity points out, this article was written on July 19, 2017. Yet the wording above in highlights indicates that a particular spending bill includes monies for multiple years for government agencies. And the purpose of the article is that the "self-executing rule" that was put into the fiscal year 2017 spending bill applies also to fiscal year 2018, apparently even if that self-executing rule was not adopted in the current fiscal year 2018 omnibus.

Is this correct?

[Jan2017]

Just not familiar with how the government appropriates money. From the article:

How the appropriated monies actual get divvied up among agencies/branches or individual projects probably gets blurred from Congress "oversight" easily.

[Zippyjuan]

Which side of the wall were you on?

I was on both sides (though obviously not at the same time!)

[Zippyjuan]

Huh, no materials or workers ?

Do the first prototypes count (?) - 'cause they are already started.

https://s26.postimg.org/l4sunxjwp/prototype02a.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

There was enough materials to build the prototypes (at a cost of about $300,000 each) and now they are done. No materials or workers left.

[Swordsmyth]

I was on both sides (though obviously not at the same time!)

So you were a double agent?

Which side did you really work for?

[Jan2017]

There was enough materials to build the prototypes (at a cost of about $300,000 each) and now they are done. No materials or workers left.

Well, they did not finalize the design, so hard to pick crews and materials -
but the building site is not same as the San Diego area prototypes -
Army Corp of Engineers ready to survey the 72 miles south-southeast of Yuma, AZ and work out troop roles and
military logistics for security as el Chapo still has bullets I hear.


I was on both sides (though obviously not at the same time!)

Oh, a switch hitter.

[TheCount]

I'm confused. :o Sorry. Just not familiar with how the government appropriates money. From the article: The government's fiscal year begins October 1st.

[goldenequity]

Most will not have the patience for this but here ya go....

try from 8:30+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsGRRjTZRgU


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[TheCount]

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There is existing border fencing along some parts of the border. It is maintained and replaced periodically. Some money was allocated for more of the same. Pretending that this is Trump's wall that he promised during the campaign is pure, sad goal post relocation. The saddest part is that it's Trumpkins who are desperately trying to convince themselves that they haven't been swindled.

The rest is hopium and fan fiction.

[asurfaholic]

We don’t need a wall on the south border any more than we need one on the north border.

End welfare and the problem largely disappears.

[Zippyjuan]

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/380476-trump-pushing-pentagon-to-pay-for-border-wall-report


A senior Pentagon official told the newspaper that any reallocation of 2018 military funding for the border wall would require an act of Congress.

A budget amendment to find funds for the border wall in the fiscal 2019 budget would require 60 votes in the Senate, which the White House would be unlikely to find. Republicans currently hold a slim 51-49 seat majority.

Democrats on the House Armed Services Committee last fall added language to the 2017 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) that would have prevented any Pentagon funding from being used to cover the wall's costs.

[Zippyjuan]

We don’t need a wall on the south border any more than we need one on the north border.

End welfare and the problem largely disappears.

Most immigration is currently coming from Asia- not Mexico- anyways. We need a new Great Wall of China!

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/asians-now-outpace-mexicans-in-terms-of-undocumented-growth/432603/

[Jan2017]

Most immigration is currently coming from Asia- not Mexico- anyways. We need a new Great Wall of China!
Well. you are jus' sick or sometin' Zippy . . . count your DACA Scheemers . . . they are still on the books.

But you do notice and acknowledge that this long overdue is getting back on the right track now - and as the DACA Scheemers will count against immigration in the future even more since Mexico cooked the books, the 800,000 - 1.3 million will take years of nada Mexico future immigration - very last nation in legal immigration every upcoming year for quite a while - goose eggs . . . year after year for several decades - to provide a more perfect balance than the lopsided Mexico immigration scheme that has been going on for years - with Dem "patriots" looking the other way providing illegal sanctuary.

fwiw, Asia and Phillipines have always met the immigration policy quotas - and far below the immigrants from Mexico.
And other Central American nation states - Dominicans and Guatemalans have also been in the top ten nationality
of legal immigration . . . and Costa Rica is like the 52nd state, anyway - imho.

Nope - Zip the continuing problem of one nation - Mexico - necessitates one of these . . .

https://s26.postimg.org/l4sunxjwp/prototype02a.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Construction on that first new 72 mile border stretch southeast of Yuma will start this fiscal year budget, prolly - imho.

btw, what's all your all fave designs for the "Great Wall of Trump" ? Jus' wonderin'

[wizardwatson]

Broken Dotard Fallacy

[Superfluous Man]

Nope - Zip the continuing problem of one nation - Mexico - necessitates one of these . . .

I take it you're not much of a Ron Paul fan.

[Jan2017]

The example prototypes all prolly need deep pylons . . . el Chapo may need better tunneling ?

https://s26.postimg.org/jglxrcnop/pylons-building02a.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Jan2017]

I take it you're not much of a Ron Paul fan.
Immigration statistics bother you why ?

https://s26.postimg.org/6p7rkygih/foreignpolicyoffreedom.jpg (https://postimages.org/) . . .- opens with the quote from Jefferson's First Inaugural Address, 1801

Peace, Commerce. . . .. . . . . . .. . . .. . . . . .

[Superfluous Man]

Immigration statistics bother you why ?

They don't at all. Which is why I agree with Ron Paul that a border wall would be a bad thing.

I thought they bothered you?

[PAF]

We don’t need a wall on the south border any more than we need one on the north border.

End welfare and the problem largely disappears.

This can not be stressed enough!



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[Jan2017]

They don't at all. Which is why I agree with Ron Paul that a border wall would be a bad thing.

I thought they bothered you?

You seem to be bothered by the fact-statistic of the amount and breadth of the immigration from one nation for several decades.

How many millions on the cooked books ?

It is getting solved though -
future limits to counter the Mexico attack on sovereignty / commerce / welfare has not imo been very worthy of any sanctuary really. But you can disagree.

Too much of a sucking sound of USA jobs for too long - this is 1992 guys and gals . . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkgx1C_S6ls

[nikcers]

You seem to be bothered by the fact-statistic of the amount and breadth of the immigration from one nation for several decades.

How many millions on the cooked books ?

It is getting solved though -
future limits to counter the Mexico attack on sovereignty / commerce / welfare has not imo been very worthy of any sanctuary really. But you can disagree.

Too much of a sucking sound of USA jobs for too long - this is 1992 guys and gals . . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkgx1C_S6ls
He was talking about NAFTA and trade policy, government policies lead to a broken economy, government policies like building useless things to fix government caused problems.

[Superfluous Man]

You seem to be bothered by the fact-statistic of the amount and breadth of the immigration from one nation for several decades.


I don't know what you got that idea from. I'm totally fine with it. I thought your whole point was that it bothered you?

[EBounding]

The key to strengthening the country's national defense is not naval or weapons upgrades but a bunch of concrete at the Mexico border.

[Origanalist]

This can not be stressed enough!



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I agree.

[TheCount]

The key to strengthening the country's national defense is not naval or weapons upgrades but a bunch of concrete at the Mexico border.
It worked for France!

[acptulsa]

It worked for France!

Oh, yeah, that Maginot Line really kept those Germans at bay!

[AuH20]

The symbolism of a wall is immense. It communicates to the world that the games are over. We will no longer absorb your problems into our country. That's the main reason why the TPTB is freaking out over the mere mention of a wall. The psychological effect would chill passage.

[acptulsa]

The symbolism of a wall is immense. It communicates to the world that the games are over. We will no longer absorb your problems into our country. That's the main reason why the TPTB is freaking out over the mere mention of a wall. The psychological effect would chill passage.

LOL

And then a thing called the airplane was invented.

[TheCount]

The symbolism of a wall is immense. It communicates to the world that the games are over. We will no longer absorb your problems into our country. That's the main reason why the TPTB is freaking out over the mere mention of a wall. The psychological effect would chill passage.
How many billions of dollars would you say is an appropriate amount of money to be spent on such a symbol?

[EBounding]

The symbolism of a wall is immense. It communicates to the world that the games are over. We will no longer absorb your problems into our country. That's the main reason why the TPTB is freaking out over the mere mention of a wall. The psychological effect would chill passage.

That's fine as long as symbolic money is used to build it.

[Swordsmyth]

Oh, yeah, that Maginot Line really kept those Germans at bay!

Actually the Maginot Line worked quite well, the Germans came through a gap in the French defenses at Sedan that the French hadn't covered with enough troops.

(This is not intended to support the wall, we should bring the troops home and have them patrol both borders)

[dannno]

That's fine as long as symbolic money is used to build it.

Pretty sure that's what they are going to do, did you think they would use gold or crypto :confused:

[Zippyjuan]

It worked for France!

That Berlin Wall was awsome! It made East Germany an amazingly prosperous country compared to West Germany. Kept out those evil capitalists and protected everybody's freedoms.

[acptulsa]

Actually the Maginot Line worked quite well, the Germans came through a gap in the French defenses at Sedan that the French hadn't covered with enough troops.

(This is not intended to support the wall, we should bring the troops home and have them patrol both borders)

The Maginot Line was useless as tits on a boar hog. The Germans came through a gap in the wall called Belgium, and the reason the French didn't have what they needed to cover their Belgian border is because they spent all their money and stationed all their troops in the Maginot line--and they just couldn't figure out how to move it west. There was, for example, no steering wheel.

[Swordsmyth]

The Maginot Line was useless as tits on a boar hog. The Germans came through a gap in the wall called Belgium, and the reason the French didn't have what they needed to cover their Belgian border is because they spent all their money and stationed all their troops in the Maginot line--and they just couldn't figure out how to move it west. There was, for example, no steering wheel.

Most of the French army was on the Belgian border, they thought Sedan was too heavily wooded and they could station just a few troops there, the Germans came through Sedan and the French army had to retreat to avoid having it's lines of supply cut.

The Maginot Line required only a few garrison troops because of the fortifications.

[TheCount]

The Maginot Line was useless as tits on a boar hog. The Germans came through a gap in the wall called Belgium, and the reason the French didn't have what they needed to cover their Belgian border is because they spent all their money and stationed all their troops in the Maginot line--and they just couldn't figure out how to move it west. There was, for example, no steering wheel.
That seems very comparable to, say, trying to eliminate illegal immigration by building a wall on a border to keep out illegal border crossers from Central and South America when, in fact, most illegal immigrants are neither from Central and South America nor are they crossing borders illegally.

[acptulsa]

Most of the French army was on the Belgian border, they thought Sedan was too heavily wooded and they could station just a few troops there, the Germans came through Sedan and the French army had to retreat to avoid having it's lines of supply cut.

The Maginot Line required only a few garrison troops because of the fortifications.

Is this the New World Order Official Revisionist History? Didn't learn that.

Um, dude, it was 1940. Those 'fortifications', a.k.a. guns, were not automated.


That seems very comparable to, say, trying to eliminate illegal immigration by building a wall on a border to keep out illegal border crossers from Central and South America when, in fact, most illegal immigrants are neither from Central and South America nor are they crossing borders illegally.

Not to mention the Gulf of Mexico is even easier to navigate than Belgium was.

A person can rewrite history until doomsday trying to deny that a person can not only go over a wall, but there's always a way to go around a wall. But the fact remains.

[Swordsmyth]

Is this the New World Order Official Revisionist History? Didn't learn that.

Um, dude, it was 1940. Those 'fortifications', a.k.a. guns, were not automated.

The garrison troops operated the guns, but many fewer were needed because of the fortifications than would have been needed without them.

The bulk of the French army was on the Belgian border until it was outflanked at Sedan, had the French stationed sufficient troops at Sedan 1940 would have been much different.

[Zippyjuan]

That seems very comparable to, say, trying to eliminate illegal immigration by building a wall on a border to keep out illegal border crossers from Central and South America when, in fact, most illegal immigrants are neither from Central and South America nor are they crossing borders illegally.

Half of those in the country illegally didn't sneak across our borders- they came legally and stayed past their visa expirations (student, travel, work, etc visas). Build a wall and they either go over, under, or around it. The return on investment for a complete border wall is very low. $25 billion Trump wants is only to get it started. It will run $100's of billions if completed.

[TheCount]

Half of those in the country illegally didn't sneak across our borders- they came legally and stayed past their visa expirations (student, travel, work, etc visas). Build a wall and they either go over, under, or around it. The return on investment for a complete border wall is very low. $25 billion Trump wants is only to get it started. It will run $100's of billions if completed.
Yeah but Mexico is going to pay for it.

[Zippyjuan]

Yeah but Mexico is going to pay for it.

And it will be beautiful!

[goldenequity]

Rep. Russell on using military funding to pay for a border wall


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO3L5KwF4yU




Should the military help build the border wall?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8zQ6X3MXPo






Trump has suggested US military should fund border wall: Sources


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zlYEbi4E0I

"Congress would need to sign off."

[undergroundrr]

I think he's going to make Jeff Bezos pay for the wall.

[dannno]

I think he's going to make Jeff Bezos pay for the wall.

No, Jeff Bezos is going to pay for owning an extremely dishonest deep state propaganda outlet, Mexico is going to pay for the wall.

[Raginfridus]

The symbolism of a wall is immense. It communicates to the world that the games are over. We will no longer absorb your problems into our country. That's the main reason why the TPTB is freaking out over the mere mention of a wall. The psychological effect would chill passage.

If symbolism alone is so powerful, put stop signs at the border.

[Ender]

The garrison troops operated the guns, but many fewer were needed because of the fortifications than would have been needed without them.

The bulk of the French army was on the Belgian border until it was outflanked at Sedan, had the French stationed sufficient troops at Sedan 1940 would have been much different.

if the US had stayed out of WWI, there would have been no WWII and the Belgian border would never have been an issue.

[Swordsmyth]

if the US had stayed out of WWI, there would have been no WWII and the Belgian border would never have been an issue.

Maybe, it doesn't matter though, we didn't stay out and if we had there might have been another war anyway.

We should have stayed out but that has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the Maginot Line.

P.S. The Maginot Line may not have been worth the money.

[Ender]

Maybe, it doesn't matter though, we didn't stay out and if we had there might have been another war anyway.

We should have stayed out but that has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the Maginot Line.

P.S. The Maginot Line may not have been worth the money.

If we don't learn from history we are destined to repeat it.

[Swordsmyth]

If we don't learn from history we are destined to repeat it.

The lesson is that we should have stayed out, what would have happened if we did is speculation.

[fcreature]

Getting a kick out of the Trumpkins over at TD convincing themselves that this 30 mile fence replacement is the border wall Trump promised. LOL

[TheCount]

Getting a kick out of the Trumpkins over at TD convincing themselves that this 30 mile fence replacement is the border wall Trump promised. LOL
Yeah, I saw at least a couple of threads about it. I think that the current delusion is that the fence is just the outer perimeter and there will be an additional "big beautiful wall" behind it.

It's equal parts funny and sad. At this point, I wonder what the troll-to-dannno ratio is on TD. For every true believer, how many are just memeing?

[fcreature]

Yeah, I saw at least a couple of threads about it. I think that the current delusion is that the fence is just the outer perimeter and there will be an additional "big beautiful wall" behind it.

It's equal parts funny and sad. At this point, I wonder what the troll-to-dannno ratio is on TD. For every true believer, how many are just memeing?

Usually there is at least some sort of backward mental gymnastics I can at least understand for how they get to their conclusions. This time though, I don't know. There is no way what-so-ever to con yourself into thinking this is the wall that was promised. It is explicitly a repaired fence that already exists.

[goldenequity]

If we don't learn from history we are destined to repeat it.


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[Ender]

The lesson is that we should have stayed out, what would have happened if we did is speculation.

It was a border spat and power play of Britain's; if we had stayed out it wouldn't have blown into a full fledged world war that was blamed entirely on Germany. Germany was made to pay for the entire war, throwing it into extreme poverty and sowing the seeds for a Hitler.

[Swordsmyth]

It was a border spat and power play of Britain's; if we had stayed out it wouldn't have blown into a full fledged world war that was blamed entirely on Germany. Germany was made to pay for the entire war, throwing it into extreme poverty and sowing the seeds for a Hitler.

LOL, we didn't enter till it was almost over, it was a full fledged war for years before we entered.

It is not clear whether Germany or France would have won but the loser was going to burn for revenge either way.
Britain would have continued to try to play the continental powers against eachother and might have caused another war sooner or later than WWII happened.

The only thing we can be sure of is that we would have been better off to have stayed out of both WWI and WWII.

[pcosmar]

The border Wall is as serious as Obama closing Guantanamo. and leaving Afghanistan.

[Jan2017]

The border Wall is as serious as Obama closing Guantanamo. and leaving Afghanistan.
Which of the nine border zones do you think is the least "seriously" planned and furthest from implementation . . .
- San Diego, El Centro, Yuma, Tucson, El Paso, Marfa, Del Rio, Laredo, or Rio Grande Valley (?)
or in which border zone are the US Geological Survey recommendations for the terrains way out of sync with the reality on the ground(?)

Which of the nine zones are farthest along (?) Different protoypes/walls in different zones (?) Any tieing rebar jobs in Yuma (?)

https://s26.postimg.org/g88q613jd/borderzones01.jpg (https://postimages.org/)


https://s26.postimg.org/sa4404urd/borderwall09a.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[TheCount]

Which of the nine zones are farthest along ? Different protoypes/walls in different zones ? Any tieing rebar jobs in Yuma ?

None of the prototypes are being used in any of the zones.




https://s26.postimg.org/sa4404urd/borderwall09a.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

That picture is from 2012. That's Obama's wall.

[EBounding]

https://static.pjmedia.com/lifestyle/user-content/36/files/2018/03/Screen-Shot-2018-03-26-at-10.57.31-PM.png

Trump Fan Fiction comes to life.

[Jan2017]

That picture is from 2012. That's Obama's wall.
It is . . . and glad you can recognize the problems of some of the previous barriers needing replacement.

fyi, here is a March 14, 2009 sunrise shot between Yuma and Calexico.

https://s26.postimg.org/o4xss1me1/borderwall070v.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

A section of the controversial US-Mexico border fence expansion project crosses previously pristine desert sands at sunrise on March 14, 2009, between Yuma, Arizona and Calexico, California.
The barrier stands 15 feet tall and sits on top of the sand so it can lifted by a machine and repositioned whenever the migrating desert dunes begin to bury it.
The almost seven miles of floating fence cost about $6 million per mile to build.

[TheCount]

It is . . . and glad you can recognize the problems of some of the previous barriers needing replacement.

The almost seven miles of floating fence cost about $6 million per mile to build.

How many billions of dollars should be spent on a better fence for these seven miles of desert?

[Superfluous Man]

It is . . . and glad you can recognize the problems of some of the previous barriers needing replacement.


The problem is that they exist. The position this website takes is that they need to be replaced with nothing.

[Jan2017]

None of the prototypes are being used in any of the zones.

Thanks for update -
we'll all be sure to let el Chapo milksh!tters know that all is still jus' swell for them along with their criminal cohorts at The Gulf Cartel headquarters in Matamoros. Carry on . . . disinformation works. Thanks.


Huh, no materials or workers ?

Do the first prototypes count (?) - 'cause they are already started.

https://s26.postimg.org/l4sunxjwp/prototype02a.jpg (https://postimages.org/)


That fourth from the left has construction design similar to designs already in use in the Yuma sector with a thick base of concrete-
all probably with deep pylons. Likely different prototypes have different advantages in different terrain as USGS gets more involved.

https://s26.postimg.org/s3v0azdmx/border_fence_3.jpg (https://postimages.org/)



https://s26.postimg.org/qc21fv4i1/border009d.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/uxy5o7q11/)



https://s26.postimg.org/52ef51bcp/borderwall090s.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/lq5x7j645/)



https://s26.postimg.org/cidoqutx5/borderwall003.jpg (https://postimages.org/)


Some fences work for border security against the illegal Mexico-specific immigration problem starting to be solved and don't need replacement . . . others not so much.


https://s26.postimg.org/mfopjxgyh/borderwall786s.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[nikcers]

Thanks for update -
we'll all be sure to let el Chapo milksh!tters know that all is still jus' swell for them along with their criminal cohorts at The Gulf Cartel headquarters in Matamoros. Carry on . . . disinformation works. Thanks.



Some fences work for border security against the illegal Mexico-specific immigration problem starting to be solved and don't need replacement . . . others not so much.


El Chapo made money on drugs and was able to escape from prison walls, he got his money from the war on drugs that still goes on to this day. How do you stop el chapos without stopping the war on drugs?

[Jan2017]

The problem is that they exist. The position this website takes is that they need to be replaced with nothing.
Military border patrol probably intensifying though, whether RP website approves or not.

Here's TN National Guard in Yuma sector . . . Carry On.

https://s26.postimg.org/oa1k1mto9/borderwall065d.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[TheCount]

Thanks for update -
we'll all be sure to let el Chapo milksh!tters know that all is still jus' swell for them along with their criminal cohorts at The Gulf Cartel headquarters in Matamoros. Carry on . . . disinformation works. Thanks.

Aww, I'm sorry for bursting your fantasy bubble.

Also, yeah, I'm sure that drug cartels come to Ron Paul Forums to find out the latest intel on border wall construction, rather than looking with their own fucking eyes. Don't be so melodramatic.





That fourth from the left has construction design similar to designs already in use in the Yuma sector with a thick base of concrete-
all probably with deep pylons. Likely different prototypes have different advantages in different terrain as USGS gets more involved.


Some fences work for border security against the illegal Mexico-specific immigration problem starting to be solved and don't need replacement . . . others not so much.


https://s26.postimg.org/mfopjxgyh/borderwall786s.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

All of those prototypes are solid, immovable concrete which would not work in areas with shifting sands. In fact, they would work less well than a fence, as they would allow sands to pile up against their surface.



Again, how many billions of dollars should be spent to make the existing walls marginally better? Your own link had that wall at $6 million per mile; Trump's estimate of his 'big beautiful' concrete version is six times that, without including consideration for any special requirements in difficult areas or the price of the land itself.

[Superfluous Man]

Military border patrol probably intensifying though, whether RP website approves or not.

Here's TN National Guard in Yuma sector . . . Carry On.

Let's advance our mission by getting to work on trying to shift public opinion to stronger disapproval of this and try to reverse the trend.

[RonPaulMall]

This can not be stressed enough!



https://app.box.com/s/m1sxa2cfn0x5961duss2x8aa1vyf5o2g

Well guess what? Welfare isn't going to end anytime soon. So you can either support a stop gap measure that preserves the country while you fight for an end to welfare or the globalists will simply replace you and whether welfare is done away with or not becomes moot.

This is why Libertarianism is so unpopular. Plenty of people may be sympathetic to your position on welfare, but once you start telling people their children's school needs to be flooded with illegals and their neighborhood turned in to a 3rd world favela while we all wait for the great libertarian paradise to finally come about everybody stops listening.

[Superfluous Man]

Well guess what? Welfare isn't going to end anytime soon. So you can either support a stop gap measure that preserves the country while you fight for an end to welfare or the globalists will simply replace you and whether welfare is done away with or not becomes moot.


Please explain what you mean by "replace you."

[Ender]

El Chapo made money on drugs and was able to escape from prison walls, he got his money from the war on drugs that still goes on to this day. How do you stop el chapos without stopping the war on drugs?

You don't.

The WoD is THE cause for the cartels & drug runs- it makes the alphabets mucho bucks.

Wanna stop the immigration problem? It's simple:

No welfare
No WoD

And while we're at it:

No gov in medicine, education, etc.

Problem solved.

And a lot cheaper than a stupid shitty wall.

[Ender]

LOL, we didn't enter till it was almost over, it was a full fledged war for years before we entered.

It is not clear whether Germany or France would have won but the loser was going to burn for revenge either way.
Britain would have continued to try to play the continental powers against eachother and might have caused another war sooner or later than WWII happened.

The only thing we can be sure of is that we would have been better off to have stayed out of both WWI and WWII.

Just because we didn't "declare war" doesn't mean we weren't involved. The MIC was making huge profits.

And, most people researching the real history of WWI have come to realize that it was Britain that was the actual war monger, not Germany.

And, I definitely agree with your last sentence. ;)

[Jan2017]

It is . . . and glad you can recognize the problems of some of the previous barriers needing replacement.

fyi, here is a March 14, 2009 sunrise shot between Yuma and Calexico.

https://s26.postimg.org/o4xss1me1/borderwall070v.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

A section of the controversial US-Mexico border fence expansion project crosses previously pristine desert sands at sunrise on March 14, 2009, between Yuma, Arizona and Calexico, California.
The barrier stands 15 feet tall and sits on top of the sand so it can lifted by a machine and repositioned whenever the migrating desert dunes begin to bury it.
The almost seven miles of floating fence cost about $6 million per mile to build.


How many billions of dollars should be spent on a better fence for these seven miles of desert?

It seems like an interesting type of movable fence/barrier . . . I offer no input if it is earmarked for replacement eventually,
but it is disingenous to pretend to RPF that this section is some sort of a priority - it's not.
It seems like an artificial reef or sometin' - but unburying it from sand dunes for seven miles probably is NOT gonna be so cheap
and is a projected maintenance future expense that other designs don't have.

Maybe jus' pile junk cars on the border is all that's needed for national security purposes for the multi-faceted solution to
that pesky problem invading nation directly to the south that doesn't and has shown really that they CAN'T
and are actually morally incapable of playing by the rules in controlling it's population from the continental spread of their criminal activity.

So. this is the southwest Yuma sector that is NOT being replaced, fwiw.
It illustrates the different terrains will have different prototypes implemented.

Laredo sector won't necessarily utilize the same prototype as Yuma sector in all locations.

[Jan2017]

Again, how many billions of dollars should be spent to make the existing walls marginally better? Your own link had that wall at $6 million per mile; Trump's estimate of his 'big beautiful' concrete version is six times that, without including consideration for any special requirements in difficult areas or the price of the land itself.
Upkeep for the movable dune reef is expensive . . .
but no one here mentioned that as an example of a replaced section priority.

[Jan2017]

All of those prototypes are solid, immovable concrete which would not work in areas with shifting sands. In fact, they would work less well than a fence, as they would allow sands to pile up against their surface.


Duh . . .
that is why your fiscally irresponsible hallucination is so disingenuous and your suggesting this to RPF is what(?) a clever dumbing down attempt?
The reality is the architects and design team are not working on those southwest portions of the Yuma sector. Think 72 miles of the south - southeast
for one of the eight prototypes offered by six construction firms.

https://s26.postimg.org/l4sunxjwp/prototype02a.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Swordsmyth]

Just because we didn't "declare war" doesn't mean we weren't involved. The MIC was making huge profits.
But our industries didn't change it from a border spat into a full fledged war, the British empire saw to it that it was a full fledged war from the start.


And, most people researching the real history of WWI have come to realize that it was Britain that was the actual war monger, not Germany.
Absolutely, the articles here (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?519806-An-interesting-series-of-articles-on-WWII) show that quite well for WWI and WWII, and the British empire would have done their best to cause another war if we had stayed out of WWI.

[Aratus]

The border Wall is as serious as Obama closing Guantanamo. and leaving Afghanistan.

i agree

[Jan2017]

Let's advance our mission by getting to work on trying to shift public opinion to stronger disapproval of this and try to reverse the trend.The trend has already started towards reversing this decade old problem finally -
. . . finally a President facing the immigration/ invasion scheme of one particular border nation instead of free amnesty.
Founders were aware of these potential national sovereignty problems that have been swept under the rug way too much in recent decades, imho.
.

Most immigration is currently coming from Asia- not Mexico- anyways. We need a new Great Wall of China!

Zero immigration coming from Mexico to coincide with the new DACA Scheemer's Path to Mexico program better sooner than later.

[Jan2017]

The Cheapest Way to Build Trump’s Wall
The U.S. military has become expert at building concrete walls and might be able to do the job for less than the private sector.

The spring of 2008 was a grim time for the U.S. military in Baghdad. Not least among the problems were rockets raining down on the Green Zone,
which housed government offices and foreign embassies, from a suburb of the Iraqi capital called Sadr City.
American forces fought back and captured launch locations, but the missiles kept falling.
. . .
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-29/the-cheapest-way-to-build-trump-s-wall

A look at Trump’s border wall prototypes

Walls need to be at least 18 feet tall, however, 30 feet is considered ideal.
A person shouldn’t climb to to the top unassisted.
Walls should also include anti-climbing features that prevent scaling, even with the use of climbing aids.
No hole larger than a foot can be made through the wall in under an hour of trying with the use of hand-held tools.
Wall designs must be able to prevent tunnelling from below for at least 6 feet.
Walls must accommodate surface drainage and also be constructable on slopes of up to 45 percent.
Wall designs must be cost effective to construct, maintain and repair. The designs should also accommodate Border Patrol-approved pedestrian and vehicle sliding gates.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/national/border-wall-prototypes/?utm_term=.61cf9b3027d6

[TheCount]

for one of the eight prototypes offered by six construction firms.

https://s26.postimg.org/l4sunxjwp/prototype02a.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

None of the prototypes are being used.


The sections of barrier that already exist cover the highest traffic areas. How many billions of dollars should be spent on the section south-southeast of the section that you agree probably won't be replaced? Or any other section of wall? Or the whole wall?

[Zippyjuan]

If net immigration from Mexico is zero (and it is), there is no gain to spending $100 billion or more on a wall to try to keep more of them out. It also won't stop the 50% of immigrants who entered the US legally. If the goal is to stop the flow of drugs, that is not working either. They are using ramps to go over the wall. They are digging tunnels under it. They are using drones to carry contraban over the wall. They are using boats to carry them around the wall. Costs greatly exceed any perceived benefits.

What it does do is expand the State and waste more taxpayer dollars.

[Zippyjuan]

None of the prototypes are being used.


The sections of barrier that already exist cover the highest traffic areas. How many billions of dollars should be spent on the section south-southeast of the section that you agree probably won't be replaced? Or any other section of wall? Or the whole wall?

And none meet the Border Patrol's request that any barrier be "see through" so they can tell what is going on on the other side of the fence. Only two of the San Diego prototypes meet that requirement.

[Jan2017]

And none meet the Border Patrol's request that any barrier be "see through" so they can tell what is going on on the other side of the fence. Only two of the San Diego prototypes meet that requirement.

Engineering solutions abound with the horrific Mexico-specific immigration/criminal activity problem that has existed for the last 50 years, eh ?

https://s26.postimg.org/52ef51bcp/borderwall090s.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/lq5x7j645/)

[Jan2017]

If net immigration from Mexico is zero (and it is), there is no gain to spending $100 billion or more on a wall to try to keep more of them out. It also won't stop the 50% of immigrants who entered the US legally. If the goal is to stop the flow of drugs, that is not working either. They are using ramps to go over the wall. They are digging tunnels under it. They are using drones to carry contraban over the wall. They are using boats to carry them around the wall. Costs greatly exceed any perceived benefits.

What it does do is expand the State and waste more taxpayer dollars.

perceived benefits ? LOL

Deportation to just "net" immigration zero is sad of a suggestion after so long - not enough for the decades of Mexico rape of other immigrants from around the globe deprived because of Mexicans taking advantage of proximity of a long desert border and not respecting the border in the first place to the detriment of Central and South American, Asian, African, or Middle Eastern immigrant applicants.

Zero immigration - Net efflux . . . as the DACA penalty kicks in - 1.3 million illegal entries have to surely be fairly equalized across all nations immigrating to a diverse USA - without favor to Mexico lying scheemers or their anchor baby leftovers on Obamacare.

[dannno]

If net immigration from Mexico is zero (and it is), there is no gain to spending $100 billion or more on a wall to try to keep more of them out.

How many illegal border crossings are there annually?

[Zippyjuan]

How many illegal border crossings are there annually?

How many?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2017/12/05/wheres-the-immigration-crisis-u-s-border-patrol-reports-illegal-border-crossings-at-record-low/#6ce277f94b73


Where's the Immigration Crisis? U.S. Border Patrol Reports Illegal Border Crossings At Record Low

“In FY17, CBP recorded the lowest level of illegal cross-border migration on record, as measured by apprehensions along the border and inadmissible encounters at U.S. ports of entry,” according to a new report from U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP). A low level of apprehensions means fewer people are attempting to enter unlawfully. The record low numbers reported by the Border Patrol call into question the demands for unprecedented new enforcement measures as the price for enacting a legislative solution for individuals who arrived in America as children, commonly known as “Dreamers.”

Here are the highlights of the Customs and Border Protection report:

“CBP recorded 310,531 apprehensions by U.S. Border Patrol agents and 216,370 inadmissible cases by CBP officers in FY17, a 23.7% decline over the previous year.” (Emphasis added.)

Between FY 2000 and FY 2017, the number of Border Patrol apprehensions along the Southwest border plummeted by approximately 80%, from a high of over 1.6 million in FY 2000 to around 300,000 in FY 2017.

“Nationwide, U.S. Border Patrol apprehensions averaged over 1 million per year between 1980 and 2016,” according to the CBP.

The percentage of Southwest border apprehensions involving Mexicans has continued to decline. “In FY17, approximately 58% of U.S. Border Patrol apprehensions were individuals from countries other than Mexico.” Of the 303,916 apprehensions along the Southwest border, “162,891 were from El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. Another 127,938 were from Mexico,” reported Customs and Border Protection.

A large percentage of those apprehended are fleeing violence in Central America, particularly families and young people. “By the end of the year, family-unit apprehensions and inadmissible cases reached 104,997 along the Southwest border,” reports CBP. “Another 48,681 unaccompanied children were apprehended or determined to be inadmissible.”

Due to demographic changes in Latin America the United States is not likely to ever again experience the level of illegal entry it saw 10 to 20 years ago. “The total fertility rate in Mexico was seven in 1965, which then plummeted over the next several decades, dropping to 2.5 by 2000, close to the U.S. level of 2.1,” according to economists Gordon Hanson, Chen Liu and Craig McIntosh. “This means that in the past decade, a major demographic driver of unskilled immigration to the U.S. has effectively switched into neutral. These demographic changes are likely to have substantial impacts on the relative scarcity of unskilled to skilled labor, regardless of which immigration policy the U.S. pursues on its border.”



Spend hundreds of $billions protecting us from an imaginary hoarde.

[Jan2017]

How many?

Spend hundreds of $billions protecting us from an imaginary hoarde.

How many pesos (?) to build the first 72 miles under early construction prep - USGS work - in the southeast Yuma sector
which is guarded by National Guard this fine Good Friday morning.

https://s26.postimg.org/oa1k1mto9/borderwall065d.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Goonerment will spend regardless if the infrastructure is a wall or a bridge to nowhere and Mexicans send plenty money out of the country as well.
Creative financing can come over time from corporate sponsorships to international financing and contracts.
Will the tariffs mean only USA steel for the rebar ?

Rest assured - considered as a national security priority because of the horde of Mexicans in the USA now. accumulated over decades -
changing the language - utilizing socialism benefits -
the southern border barrier - concrete glass screen lasers force fields drones land mines is there now and will stretch longer

USA highway interstate system was a national security infrastructure initiative - border wall is less concrete and rebar, but has to be done right.

The National Guard On The Southwest Border - Defining The Role
by Colonel Tim Lawson, United States Army National Guard
-2012 online revision posted at :
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a561204.pdf

[Jan2017]

. . . an imaginary hoarde.
Uh, . . . UN does not have your backs on this Zippy Group.
Laugh Out Loud when the Scheemers ancestors of the Spaniard conquistador Cortez talk about "diversity" - bullsh!t
US suckers bought in to it, quietly acquiescing to the invasion . . . like sheep - LOL

According to the United Nations Population Division, an international migrant is someone who has been living for one year or longer
in a country other than the one in which he or she was born.
In 2017, as you hover over the country on the world map . . . or use the chart . . .
12,680,000 Mexico-born migrants in USA out of the 49,780,000 total migrants in the USA for over one year (25.5%)

In 2010, 12,170,000 Mexico immigrants in USA out of the 44,180,000 migrants in USA (27.5%)

In 2000, 9,410,000 Mexico migrants living in USA out of 34,810,000 total (27.03%)

Also, northern border never a problem . . .
in 2017 it was 890,000 migrants born in Canada living for over one year in the USA (1.79%) -
[ btw, all years include the Canadian-born US Senator wanting to be the first migrant US President - Lyin' Teduardo Cruz ]
2010 : 870,000 (1.97%)
2000 : 840,000 (2.41%)

Origins and Destinations of the World’s Migrants, 1990-2017

2017 : http://www.pewglobal.org/2018/02/28/global-migrant-stocks/?country=US&date=2017
2010 : http://www.pewglobal.org/2018/02/28/global-migrant-stocks/?country=US&date=2010
2000 : http://www.pewglobal.org/2018/02/28/global-migrant-stocks/?country=US&date=2000


In 2017, 49,780,000 people living in the United States were born in other countries.


Origin
Migrants


Mexico
12,680,000


China
2,420,000


India
2,310,000


Philippines
2,080,000


Puerto Rico
1,900,000


Vietnam
1,410,000


El Salvador
1,390,000


Cuba
1,250,000


South Korea
1,180,000


Dominican Republic
1,070,000


Guatemala
980,000


Canada
890,000


Jamaica
770,000


Colombia
750,000


United Kingdom
750,000


Haiti
670,000


Germany
650,000


Honduras
600,000


Peru
480,000


Poland
470,000


Ecuador





Ecuador
470,000


Russia
420,000


Iran
400,000


Italy
390,000


Ukraine
380,000


Turkey
370,000


Pakistan
370,000


Japan
370,000


Brazil
370,000


Guyana
290,000


Nigeria



and the UN list goes on . . .

[nikcers]

The troops should go door to door next, and build roads, because you need roads for defense too.

[Jan2017]

The troops should go door to door next, and build roads, because you need roads for defense too.
Nah . . . bring all the troops stateside since war is over in Afghanistan (not) . . . and then next . . .
line them up at arm length all along the land portion of the US-problem nation southern border.

The Mexico migrant Scheemers still on the path to c̶i̶t̶i̶z̶e̶n̶s̶h̶i̶p̶ Mexico . . .
can go on their own back to the homeland preemptively - or - wait longer and get kicked out - forcibly and/or by adjudication - their choice.

[nikcers]

Nah . . . bring all the troops stateside since war is over in Afghanistan (not) . . . and then next . . .
line them up at arm length all along the land portion of the US-problem nation southern border.
They could just use a little of the pentagon money to make our roads more durable. When you drive tanks and heavy vehicles over them they get destroyed anyways, just have a big military parade and then when the roads get destroyed have the military build new roads. They could drop the roads from F-35 planes and we could build more tanks for the parade so we can destroy more roads so we can build more roads.

[Jan2017]

They could just use a little of the pentagon money to make our roads more durable. When you drive tanks and heavy vehicles over them they get destroyed anyways, just have a big military parade and then when the roads get destroyed have the military build new roads. They could drop the roads from F-35 planes and we could build more tanks for the parade so we can destroy more roads so we can build more roads.

Destroying roads won't change the problem nation immigrant pattern over the past decades tho.
But build a national security infrastructure jus' like the mandate to get the interstate system - the National Interstate and Defense Highways Act of 1956

if ya' like, give it a cute name too - call it the National Border State and Defense Trumpwall Act of 2019.

[nikcers]

Destroying roads won't change the problem nation immigrant pattern over the past decades tho.
But build a national security infrastructure jus' like the mandate to get the interstate system - the National Interstate and Defense Highways Act of 1956

if ya' like, give it a cute name too - call it the National Border State and Defense Trumpwall Act of 2019.
The new roads are electronic though and have RF transmitters embedded to alert authorities of any non citizens. It will be the only way to truly get rid of all the illegals because we have so many.

[Jan2017]

The troops should go door to door next, and build roads, because you need roads for defense too.
But yes, on the right starting track - that troops are already building southern roads.
Your Border Wall Road(s) will be needed for all the heavy equipment need to secure the southern border from the persistent, pesky invaders.

[Jan2017]

The new roads are electronic though and have RF transmitters embedded to alert authorities of any non citizens. It will be the only way to truly get rid of all the illegals because we have so many.

Chips planted in the non-citizens (?) - Mexico could implant all their citizens I guess. -
a great way to pay for USA-Mexico border security -
- but more likely with those non-compliant Cortez' descendants we would have to go with your door-to-door service for the transmiiter implants you desire.

Bloody Gina aids implants with her meticulous surgical techniques . . . or rather notorious, criminal lack thereof -
in this Abu Ghraib still (jpg dated circa 2009 (WashPost published), but actual photo taken earlier in her career, 2006? )

https://s26.postimg.org/779ck142x/abu-ghurayb-prison-abuse22-700x464.jpg (https://postimages.org/)


However, Bloody Gina has been known for higher than usual mortality rates with her techniques . . .

https://s26.postimg.org/b79iinvsp/080324tdt.jpg (https://postimages.org/)


Brennan and Clapper give the thumbs up too!

[nikcers]

Chips planted in the non-citizens (?) - mexico could implant all their citizens I guess. Not too compliant those Cortez descendants, eh?
or I guess go with your plan . . . that does require door to door . . .

Door to door is necessary, as they convince the masses that there are people that are harboring non citizens in inhumane conditions to run sweatshops on U.S soil.

[Superfluous Man]

Engineering solutions abound with the horrific Mexico-specific immigration/criminal activity problem that has existed for the last 50 years, eh ?


You mean drug prohibition?

[nikcers]

Chips planted in the non-citizens (?) -
Nah the citizens have already opted into carrying their own chips. People buy the latest and greatest monitoring device every year from the biggest electronic surveillance companies in the world. Even the government can't hack their security, :rolleyes:. Anyone who doesn't have a chip' is suspect and is automatically monitored, plus its easy to tell who is Mexican... They found Saddam in a hole they can find mexicans in tunnels.


Saddam's capture came after a lengthy investigation in which intelligence officers questioned bodyguards and family members close to the deposed leader
Thanks bloody Gina.

[Jan2017]

https://s26.postimg.org/l4sunxjwp/prototype02a.jpg (https://postimages.org/)


And none meet the Border Patrol's request that any barrier be "see through" so they can tell what is going on on the other side of the fence. Only two of the San Diego prototypes meet that requirement.

Engineering solutions abound with the horrific Mexico-specific immigration/criminal activity problem that has existed for the last 50 years, eh ?

https://s26.postimg.org/52ef51bcp/borderwall090s.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/lq5x7j645/)
so, it seems Superfluous Man does not understand the above Zip post reply . . . my bad.

Engineering solutions abound with the horrific Mexico-specific immigration/criminal activity problem that has existed for the last 50 years, eh ?

You mean drug prohibition?
The problem of unfettered migration from Mexico has gone on for some 50 years -
intensified quite a bit over the last two decades, with UN population statistics counting 15 million new Mexico-migrants to USA
comparing 2000 with 2017.
Mexico has been raping the USA immigration policy to the detriment of every other nation is a fact.

Zip is concerned that the eight border wall prototypes submitted and constructed near San Diego by six different construction firms won't comply - screen or glass would work good, as well as the pedestrian and vehicle gates through the Trumpwall.

[undergroundrr]

But build a national security infrastructure jus' like the mandate to get the interstate system - the National Interstate and Defense Highways Act of 1956

Ugh. Is this the government action that eliminated the prevailing futuristic vision of flying cars and jet packs and ensured dependence on fossil fuels. And established that government was the only possible venue for major transportation projects such as travel to the moon. And that set the precedent for indiscriminate eminent domain grabs. Total infringement of private property and perpetuator of poverty, just like the stupid beaner wall.

No kidding, I think the interstate highway system is why Americans are still stuck on this ball and still squabbling about stupid borders between the pig stall swill troughs called nation-states.

[Superfluous Man]

The problem of unfettered migration from Mexico has gone on for some 50 years -
intensified quite a bit over the last two decades, with UN population statistics counting 15 million new Mexico-migrants to USA
comparing 2000 with 2017.
Mexico has been raping the USA immigration policy to the detriment of every other nation is a fact.


The number of immigrants from Mexico to the USA may be a fact. But that this is a problem, or a "raping" of something, is just your statist opinion.

It's reasonable to suppose that if the government got out of the way, we would have more immigrants from Mexico, rather than fewer. If this is true, then it would be proof that the number of Mexican immigrants in the US now is too low.

[dannno]

It's reasonable to suppose that if the government got out of the way, we would have more immigrants from Mexico, rather than fewer. If this is true, then it would be proof that the number of Mexican immigrants in the US now is too low.

Uh, I think you're forgetting big government and welfare programs is a reason many are here.

[Zippyjuan]

Uh, I think you're forgetting big government and welfare programs is a reason many are here.

Jobs. When did the number of illegal immigrants coming go net zero? When the recession hit.

http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2016/11/02131714/PH_11.03.16_unauthorized-00-04.png

Most of the ones here now have been here for a decade or more.

http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2016/09/PH_2016.09.20_Unauthorized-04.png

They are more likely to have a job than citizens. From Breitbart: http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/03/28/hold-think-tank-illegal-immigrant-males-more-likely-to-be-in-workforce-than-legal-immigrants-us-born-men/


Pew Researcher: Rate of Illegal Immigrant Males in Workforce 12 Percent Higher Than US-Born Males

WASHINGTON, DC — An illegal immigrant male residing in the United States is more likely to be gainfully employed than a male who is a legal immigrant or U.S.-born citizen, a senior demographer at the Pew Research Center think tank told lawmakers.

In 2012, the most recent year for which data is available, an estimated 91 percent of illegal immigrant males were in the workforce. This compares to 84 percent of legal immigrant men and 79 percent of U.S.-born males, Pew Research Center demographer Jeffrey Passel wrote in testimony prepared for a March 26 hearing held by the Senate Homeland Security & Government Affairs Committee.

Put in a different way, legal and illegal immigrant males had a better chance to be in the workforce than U.S.-born men in 2012.

[Jan2017]

The number of immigrants from Mexico to the USA may be a fact. But that this is a problem, or a "raping" of something, is just your statist opinion.

It's reasonable to suppose that if the government got out of the way, we would have more immigrants from Mexico, rather than fewer. If this is true, then it would be proof that the number of Mexican immigrants in the US now is too low.
Statist . . .- LOL
protecting the rights of immigrants from Nigeria to China and El Salvador and all others derailed by Mexico-specific over-immigration over decades contrary to the Founders intent.

"raping" is a harsh word . . . but you sheep'll just turn your back and ignore for how much longer (?)
and it is the figurative rape of every other nation's immigrant applicant - it is figurative - not literal - use to elicit some response
Stop pretending Mexico deserves favored immigrant status as some sort of libertarian ideal to eff over every other nation
ya' seem all "numb" from the ongoing invasion of 15 million Mexicans in 17 years or sometin'

It is 5 million new Mexico resident/censusgerrymandering migrants more living in the USA in 2017 than in 2000 . . .
but total new migrant up 5 million total . . . Mexico are cheaters, eh ?

[Superfluous Man]

15 million new Mexico resident/censusgerrymandering migrants more living in the USA in 2017 than in 2000 . . .
but total new migrant up 5 million total . . . Mexico are cheaters, eh ?

Did you get this from one of those gibberish generator websites?

[Superfluous Man]

Uh, I think you're forgetting big government and welfare programs is a reason many are here.

I don't know how much of a factor it is. Nor do I see anything I said that would imply I forgot it.

[Superfluous Man]

Statist . . .- LOL

"raping" is a harsh word . . . but you sheep'll just turn your back and ignore for how much longer (?)
and it is the figurative rape of every other
stop pretending Mexico deserves favored immigrant staus
all "numb" from the ongoing invasion of 15 million Mexicans in 17 years.

It is 5 million new Mexico resident/censusgerrymandering migrants more living in the USA in 2017 than in 2000 . . .
but total new migrant up 5 million total . . . Mexico are cheaters, eh ?

Yes, that's right. Ron Paul and his supporters are sheeple.

[Zippyjuan]

How many pesos (?) to build the first 72 miles under early construction prep - USGS work - in the southeast Yuma sector
which is guarded by National Guard this fine Good Friday morning.

https://s26.postimg.org/oa1k1mto9/borderwall065d.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Goonerment will spend regardless if the infrastructure is a wall or a bridge to nowhere and Mexicans send plenty money out of the country as well.
Creative financing can come over time from corporate sponsorships to international financing and contracts.
Will the tariffs mean only USA steel for the rebar ?

Rest assured - considered as a national security priority because of the horde of Mexicans in the USA now. accumulated over decades -
changing the language - utilizing socialism benefits -
the southern border barrier - concrete glass screen lasers force fields drones land mines is there now and will stretch longer

USA highway interstate system was a national security infrastructure initiative - border wall is less concrete and rebar, but has to be done right.

The National Guard On The Southwest Border - Defining The Role
by Colonel Tim Lawson, United States Army National Guard
-2012 online revision posted at :
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a561204.pdf

That was a few years ago. It ended in 2008. (your photo is from 2007)

https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/1021/~/operation-jump-start---cbp-border-patrol-and-the-national-guard


On May 15, President Bush addressed the nation regarding border security and immigration reform. As an immediate step to support CBP Border Patrol's efforts, the President called for up to 6,000 National Guard members to assist with surveillance, installing fences and vehicle barriers, as well as provide training. This support mission, Operation Jump Start, will provide significant assistance to securing the southern U.S. border during the next two years.

Timeline

CBP Border Patrol and the National Guard coordinated with the state governors and adjutants general to deploy National Guard troops in support of Border Patrol operations. This unprecedented cooperative effort has resulted in the deployment of 6,000 National Guard personnel to California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. Deployment numbers are based on operational need and threat.

This two-year deployment supplements and supports current efforts while CBP hires and trains 6,000 additional Border Patrol agents and implements the Secure Border Initiative and SBInet.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Jump_Start

Obama sent some National Guard troops there for two to six weeks at a time from 2009- 2011.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-to-deploy-national-guard-to-ariz-border/

[dannno]

I don't know how much of a factor it is. Nor do I see anything I said that would imply I forgot it.

You said that we would have more immigration if we had open borders, and therefore that is the way it should be.. But you are assuming that is the way it would be if we didn't have big government as well.

I think we would have more immigration if we had open borders, but if we didn't have big government and we had open borders I think it would be much lower.

[Superfluous Man]

You said that we would have more immigration if we had open borders.

Reread what I said.


I think we would have more immigration if we had open borders, but if we didn't have big government and we had open borders I think it would be much lower.

I doubt that you're right about that. I think it's more likely that a booming laissez faire economy would result in drawing more Mexicans seeking jobs, rather than fewer. But that wasn't what I claimed. All I claimed was that it was reasonable to expect that. Your contrary position is also reasonable (though, I think, all in all less likely).

And whatever the case, the situation that would obtain were the government to get out of the way would be the ideal. And this is just as true if that would mean more Mexican immigrants as it is if it would mean fewer.

[dannno]

You said that we would have more immigration if we had open borders


Reread what I said.



It's reasonable to suppose that if the government got out of the way, we would have more immigrants from Mexico, rather than fewer. If this is true, then it would be proof that the number of Mexican immigrants in the US now is too low.


Ya it's really not worth debating if you can't even remember what you said.

[Superfluous Man]

Ya it's really not worth debating if you can't even remember what you said.

You just quoted it. So I don't see the problem. In your previous post you totally misrepresented what I said, as this quote proves.

You are familiar with the meanings of the phrases, "It's reasonable to suppose," and, "If this is true." Are you not?

[dannno]

I doubt that you're right about that. I think it's more likely that a booming laissez faire economy would result in drawing more Mexicans seeking jobs, rather than fewer. But that wasn't what I claimed. All I claimed was that it was reasonable to expect that. Your contrary position is also reasonable (though, I think, all in all less likely).

A booming economy and free market would COMPLIMENT Mexico's economy, if they emulated us then they wouldn't need to come here. Individuals could, but most of them would prefer to stay where they are with their family and their communities. They only came here in droves because they got kicked off their land in the early 90s by their government because of a an agreement that was part of NAFTA that they were strong-armed into signing.

There is no reason people can't be successful pretty much anywhere in the world, people don't need to come here to be successful.

What they need to do is emulate free markets where they live. If nearly everybody who is smart and hard working and likes the idea of free markets in every developing country come here then who is left in the country that they fled? People who are not as hard working, not as smart and don't like free markets as much.

The world is a big, beautiful amazing place with a lot of resources, half the world does not need to move to our country - in fact that pushes humanity back because it means they aren't back helping to prop up their own communities from where they came.

[Jan2017]

That was a few years ago. It ended in 2008.

2012 . . . as linked . . .

[Jan2017]

Did you get this from one of those gibberish generator websites?
post #99 re-read requested (?) OK


Uh, . . . UN does not have your backs on this Zippy Group.
Laugh Out Loud when the Scheemers ancestors of the Spaniard conquistador Cortez talk about "diversity" - bullsh!t
US suckers bought in to it, quietly acquiescing to the invasion . . . like sheep - LOL

According to the United Nations Population Division, an international migrant is someone who has been living for one year or longer
in a country other than the one in which he or she was born.
In 2017, as you hover over the country on the world map . . . or use the chart . . .
12,680,000 Mexico-born migrants in USA out of the 49,780,000 total migrants in the USA for over one year (25.5%)

In 2010, 12,170,000 Mexico immigrants in USA out of the 44,180,000 migrants in USA (27.5%)

In 2000, 9,410,000 Mexico migrants living in USA out of 34,810,000 total (27.03%)

Also, northern border never a problem . . .
in 2017 it was 890,000 migrants born in Canada living for over one year in the USA (1.79%) -
[ btw, all years include the Canadian-born US Senator wanting to be the first migrant US President - Lyin' Teduardo Cruz ]
2010 : 870,000 (1.97%)
2000 : 840,000 (2.41%)

Origins and Destinations of the World’s Migrants, 1990-2017

2017 : http://www.pewglobal.org/2018/02/28/global-migrant-stocks/?country=US&date=2017
2010 : http://www.pewglobal.org/2018/02/28/global-migrant-stocks/?country=US&date=2010
2000 : http://www.pewglobal.org/2018/02/28/global-migrant-stocks/?country=US&date=2000


In 2017, 49,780,000 people living in the United States were born in other countries.


Origin
Migrants


Mexico
12,680,000


China
2,420,000


India
2,310,000


Philippines
2,080,000


Puerto Rico
1,900,000


Vietnam
1,410,000


El Salvador
1,390,000


Cuba
1,250,000


South Korea
1,180,000


Dominican Republic
1,070,000


Guatemala
980,000


Canada
890,000


Jamaica
770,000


Colombia
750,000


United Kingdom
750,000


Haiti
670,000


Germany
650,000


Honduras
600,000


Peru
480,000


Poland
470,000


Ecuador





Ecuador
470,000


Russia
420,000


Iran
400,000


Italy
390,000


Ukraine
380,000


Turkey
370,000


Pakistan
370,000


Japan
370,000


Brazil
370,000


Guyana
290,000


Nigeria



and the UN list goes on . . .


12,680,000 Mexico-born migrants in USA out of the 49,780,000 total migrants in the USA for over one year (25.5%)

In 2010, 12,170,000 Mexico immigrants in USA out of the 44,180,000 migrants in USA (27.5%)

In 2000, 9,410,000 Mexico migrants living in USA out of 34,810,000 total (27.03%)

[Superfluous Man]

A booming economy and free market would COMPLIMENT Mexico's economy, if they emulated us then they wouldn't need to come here. Individuals could, but most of them would prefer to stay where they are with their family and their communities. They only came here in droves because they got kicked off their land in the early 90s by their government because of a an agreement that was part of NAFTA that they were strong-armed into signing.

There is no reason people can't be successful pretty much anywhere in the world, people don't need to come here to be successful.

What they need to do is emulate free markets where they live. If nearly everybody who is smart and hard working and likes the idea of free markets in every developing country come here then who is left in the country that they fled? People who are not as hard working, not as smart and don't like free markets as much.

The world is a big, beautiful amazing place with a lot of resources, half the world does not need to move to our country - in fact that pushes humanity back because it means they aren't back helping to prop up their own communities from where they came.

It's possible that you're right. I doubt it, but it's possible.

At any rate, if what you suggest didn't hold, and a laissez faire economy did draw more Mexicans (whether Mexico itself emulated us or not), then it would follow that such an influx of Mexicans would be a good thing.

Some here seem to think otherwise.

[Zippyjuan]

12,680,000 Mexico-born migrants in USA out of the 49,780,000 total migrants in the USA for over one year (25.5%)

In 2010, 12,170,000 Mexico immigrants in USA out of the 44,180,000 migrants in USA (27.5%)

In 2000, 9,410,000 Mexico migrants living in USA out of 34,810,000 total (27.03%)

"Migrants" includes those who came legally and are now citizens.


an international migrant is someone who has been living for one year or longer
in a country other than the one in which he or she was born.

It also is not just the ones who entered in one year- that is total in the country at that point in time. We did not have fifty million enter the US in any single year. The one year figure is closer to one million.

http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-BF357_IMMIG_G_20140123154314.jpg

[Superfluous Man]

post #99 re-read requested (?) OK

Honestly, I don't know why you post anything. I can't make any sense out of whatever it is you're trying to say most of the time.

Is there a point you're making here? Are we supposed to think that a mere 12,680,000 Mexican-born people living in the entire USA is too many or something?

Once that number gets up into the billions, then we can talk about it.

[dannno]

You just quoted it. So I don't see the problem. In your previous post you totally misrepresented what I said, as this quote proves.

You are familiar with the meanings of the phrases, "It's reasonable to suppose," and, "If this is true." Are you not?

This:


we would have more immigration if we had open borders.

Is the same as this:


It's reasonable to suppose that if the government got out of the way, we would have more immigrants from Mexico

If you say it is reasonable to suppose [something], then I say you said [something], then you say I "totally misrepresented" what you said and shut down the entire discussion just because I didn't say you said it was reasonable to suppose, that is dishonest.

Are you trying to get banned again?

This is the kind of stuff that would cause me to flag posters if I were a mod.

It's really a waste of time having discussions with people who are dishonest.

[Jan2017]

Honestly, I don't know why you post anything. I can't make any sense out of whatever it is you're trying to say most of the time.

Is there a point you're making here? Are we supposed to think that a mere 12,680,000 Mexican-born people living in the entire USA is too many or something?

Once that number gets up into the billions, then we can talk about it. You asked if it was a gibberish website -
- it is the UN Population website - it is in post #99.

Very much a point to be made, in general - the wall is getting built as a national security measure chosen by the electorate.
Some of the sheep acquiesce into this Mexico invasion because they think it is what Ron Paul advocates - LOL

Zip and others can post there statistics - plenty of voters see enough with the UN numbers of 12 million Mexicans
which kinda shoots the Scheemers diversity argument, eh ? Plenty of Mexicao-born here already.

Military's 2012 directive for Yuma Sector prolly has updates no one will be privy to - it'll have to be classified to some degree.

[dannno]

It's possible that you're right. I doubt it, but it's possible.

At any rate, if what you suggest didn't hold, and a laissez faire economy did draw more Mexicans (whether Mexico itself emulated us or not), then it would follow that such an influx of Mexicans would be a good thing.

Some here seem to think otherwise.

If we didn't force Mexico to sign NAFTA, which was anti-laissez faire, then they wouldn't have gotten kicked off their land. Now admittedly they didn't have the greatest free market down there, and in a sense NAFTA was trying to open up their markets by allowing corporations to own land and such.. But then they stole the land from the people. It was sorta like the Bundy situation where the Bundy's had been there for over 150 years, but it was officially "public" land so the government felt entitled to take it from them simply because it was misclassified. It actually belonged to the Bundy's and the other ranchers who the government had kicked off the land for not paying grazing fees. Just like in Mexico the land belonged to the people, but they thought the land would be protected from being stolen if they made it "public" land that belonged to everybody... They sold the land to corporations and displaced millions of people and they had nothing.

[Zippyjuan]

You asked if it was a gibberish website -
- it is the UN Population website - it is in post #99.

Your numbers indicate that out of 330 million in the US, twelve million or 3.6% were born in Mexico- including those here legally and now citizens. Should we be afraid of 3.6% of the population?

[Ender]

If we didn't force Mexico to sign NAFTA, which was anti-laissez faire, then they wouldn't have gotten kicked off their land. Now admittedly they didn't have the greatest free market down there, and in a sense NAFTA was trying to open up their markets by allowing corporations to own land and such.. But then they stole the land from the people. It was sorta like the Bundy situation where the Bundy's had been there for over 150 years, but it was officially "public" land so the government felt entitled to take it from them simply because it was misclassified. It actually belonged to the Bundy's and the other ranchers who the government had kicked off the land for not paying grazing fees. Just like in Mexico the land belonged to the people, but they thought the land would be protected from being stolen if they made it "public" land that belonged to everybody... They sold the land to corporations and displaced millions of people and they had nothing.

So, you're saying basically it's the US of A that made this problem. amirite?

[dannno]

So, you're saying basically it's the US of A that made this problem. amirite?

Correct.

Wanna go back to some 2008 threads with me arguing against LE when I was for open borders?

[Ender]

Correct.

Wanna go back to some 2008 threads with me arguing against LE when I was for open borders?

I'm still for open borders- just not entitlements.

[Jan2017]

You mean drug prohibition?

Man, you make ALOT of stupid comments - this is what - inability to divide or understand fractions



Is there a point you're making here? Are we supposed to think that a mere 12,680,000 Mexican-born people living in the entire USA is too many or something?

12 million Mexicans - Why is Mexico so special for 25% of migrant resident population (?) . . . years to reverse what was done,
but Trump could be Chapter One at least. We'll see.

[Jan2017]

"Migrants" includes those who came legally and are now citizens.
Exactly . . . Mexico cheating at the diversity aspirations of every other nation -
Founders and libertarians totally against immigration policy to have 25% of migrant population from one country now -
after the decades of unfettered amnesty-seeking Mexico invaders left ignored and unchecked.

[Zippyjuan]

http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2015/09/PH_2015-09-28_immigration-through-2065-05.png


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/china-india-replace-mexico-top-u-s-immigrant-origin-nations-n353256


China, India Replace Mexico As Top U.S. Immigrant Origin Nations

A new review of 2013 immigration data shows that China replaced Mexico as the top country of origin for immigrants to the United States. The 2013 American Community Survey, conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau, recorded 1,201,000 immigrants. Of those, 125,000 came from Mexico, 129,000 came from India, and 147,000 came from China. The previous year, Mexican immigration (125,000) just topped Chinese immigration (124,000).

According to Eric Jensen, Statistician/Demographer with the Census Bureau's Population Division, this latest flip followed "a decade where immigration from China and India increased while immigration from Mexico decreased." Jensen reports that in 2000, 41.2 percent of all foreign-born immigrants were Hispanic, but by 2009, that number had fallen to 30.1 percent, while the rate of immigration for non-Hispanic Asian, foreign-born grew to 34.7 percent.

Asian Americans comprise the fastest-growing racial group in the U.S. at 2.9 percent, with the total population just short of 20 million. According to experts, immigration is the primary driver of that growth, "accounting for 61 percent of the total Asian population change" between 2012 and 2013. An estimated 74 percent of Asian adults in 2012 were foreign born. The 54-million strong Hispanic population is growing at 2.1 percent, with the birth rate accounting for 78 percent of that growth.

[Zippyjuan]

Do we need a wall to keep them from leaving?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/20/more-mexicans-leaving-us-than-entering-study-says.html


More Mexicans leaving US than entering, study says

SAN DIEGO – More Mexicans are leaving than moving into the United States, reversing the flow of a half-century of mass migration, according to a study published Thursday.

The Pew Research Center found that slightly more than 1 million Mexicans and their families, including American-born children, left the U.S. for Mexico from 2009 to 2014. During the same five years, 870,000 Mexicans came to the U.S., resulting in a net flow to Mexico of 140,000.

The desire to reunite families is the main reason more Mexicans are moving south than north, Pew found. The sluggish U.S. economic recovery and tougher border enforcement are other key factors.

The era of mass migration from Mexico is "at an end," declared Mark Hugo Lopez, Pew's director of Hispanic research.

The finding follows a Pew study in 2012 that found net migration between the two countries was near zero, so this represents a turning point in one of the largest mass migrations in U.S. history. More than 16 million Mexicans moved to the United States from 1965 to 2015, more than from any other country.

"This is something that we've seen coming," Lopez said. "It's been almost 10 years that migration from Mexico has really slowed down."

The findings counter the narrative of an out-of-control border that has figured prominently in U.S. presidential campaigns, with Republican Donald Trump calling for Mexico pay for a fence to run the entire length of the 1,954-mile frontier. Pew said there were 11.7 million Mexicans living in the U.S. last year, down from a peak of 12.8 million in 2007. That includes 5.6 million living in the U.S. illegally, down from 6.9 million in 2007.

[Jan2017]

Honestly, I don't know why you post anything. . . .

I am not a cheerleader for the disinformation - that's about it really - I am one of several adversaries to the distorted spin liars . . .

RPF gets this in post # 97


. . .
Spend hundreds of $billions protecting us from an imaginary hoarde.

I post #98


How many pesos (?) to build the first 72 miles under early construction prep - USGS work - in the southeast Yuma sector
which is guarded by National Guard this fine Good Friday morning.

https://s26.postimg.org/oa1k1mto9/borderwall065d.jpg (https://postimages.org/)


. . . USA highway interstate system was a national security infrastructure initiative - border wall is less concrete and rebar, but has to be done right.

The National Guard On The Southwest Border - Defining The Role
by Colonel Tim Lawson, United States Army National Guard
-2012 online revision posted at :
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a561204.pdf

I post #99 . . . and I'll chime in again that . . .
Uh, . . . UN does not have your backs on this Zippy Group.
According to the United Nations Population Division, . . .

Anyhoo, still how is this an "imaginary" hoarde ? What is the imaginary part of 25% of migrants living in the USA are Mexico birth right citizens?
525% more than the next nation - Mexico is numero uno !


Let's advance our mission by getting to work on trying to shift public opinion to stronger disapproval of this and try to reverse the trend.

Advance what mission . . . to ignore the rule of immigration law.
It is not at all "libertarian" to leave an international border open to a nation's migrants that abuse the immigration rules to the degree the Mexican-born migrants have over a very, very long time.

When is it too much - in respect of all nations ?
25% of the migrants from Mexico is not acceptable and does not respecxt the citizens of all other nations that seek the USA-flavor of liberty.

[Jan2017]

Do we need a wall to keep them from leaving?


Well, the Attorney General has decided to offer free coach airfare - no handcuffs or shackles - free airfare
with the Path to Mexico program, after the full process and proper adjudication of the deportation hearings held in the USA.

https://s26.postimg.org/6h3lalhy1/deportation01.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Jan2017]

I'm still for open borders- just not entitlements.

Honestly . . . I am for equality of that open border with all other nations in the true letter of the meaning
of "diversity" in immigration . . . as an avenue to prosperity for the entire nation.

Mexico has payback in some form for their abuse of all other nations - currently 525% more migrants than #2 China
as of 2017 UN statistics . . .
and if really vengeful, remind them they are JUST like their ancestor conquistadors from Europe.

[Zippyjuan]

Anyhoo, still how is this an "imaginary" hoarde ? What is the imaginary part of 25% of migrants living in the USA are Mexico birth right citizens?
525% more than the next nation - Mexico is numero uno !

By your own figures, 3.6% of the people in the US were born in Mexico. There are an estimated 5.9 million people from Mexico in the US illegally- and that is a million fewer than in 2007.

http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2016/09/PH_2016.09.20_Unauthorized-01.png

[Raginfridus]

We could stack the Pentagon's money into a wall... how high would it be?

[navy-vet]

We could stack the Pentagon's money into a wall... how high would it be?
ahhh, I give up

[Jan2017]

By your own figures, 3.6% of the people in the US were born in Mexico. There are an estimated 5.9 million people from Mexico in the US illegally- and that is a million fewer than in 2007.

Again . . . it is the overboard LEGAL legal LEGAL ya' fuckin retard legal immigration from Mexico MEXICO MEXICO that has thwarted the legal immigration from every other OTHER other nation.
Mexico lie gig scheme is over - Chapter One being written. Prototypes getting built - with screens to meet the Zip requirement for see through portions.

Ya' still need correction (?) to get it right. Damn Zip! That's sadd.

by the United Nations Population figures that I have posted - with the purpose of posting ONLY to dispute the disinformation you promulgate that Mexico is not the bulk of migrants residing in the USA . . .
25% of migrants residing in the United States of America in 2017 are from . . . tada . . . numero UNO - MEXICO.

China currently comes in at 4.7% of the migrant-born population residing in the USA over one year - again according to UN statistics.

Just pretend Mexico is NOT the problem nation of immigration policy/law/standards/ethics.
That fuels the nation's wrath and fury against the damn Cortez' descendants even more with your effin' lies/distortion stats.
Everybuddy knows it . . . but it is not PC enuf . . . yet!

Dream that the free deportation flights don't exist or sometin' as well.

Get on that Path to Mexico, Scheemers . . . gig is up, ya' motherfucker milksh!tters!

Enjoy that "free ride" home . . .

https://s26.postimg.org/6h3lalhy1/deportation01.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[nikcers]

Again . . . it is the overboard LEGAL legal LEGAL ya' $#@!in retard legal immigration from Mexico MEXICO MEXICO that has thwarted the legal immigration from every other OTHER other nation.
Mexico lie gig scheme is over - Chapter One being written. Prototypes getting built - with screens to meet the Zip requirement for see through portions.

Ya' still need correction (?) to get it right. Damn Zip! That's sadd.

by the United Nations Population figures that I have posted - with the purpose of posting ONLY to dispute the disinformation you promulgate that Mexico is not the bulk of migrants residing in the USA . . .
25% of migrants residing in the United States of America in 2017 are from . . . tada . . . numero UNO - MEXICO.

China currently comes in at 4.7% of the migrant-born population residing in the USA over one year - again according to UN statistics.

Just pretend Mexico is NOT the problem nation of immigration policy/law/standards/ethics.
That fuels the nation's wrath and fury against the damn Cortez' descendants even more with your effin' lies/distortion stats.
Everybuddy knows it . . . but it is not PC enuf . . . yet!

Dream that the free deportation flights don't exist or sometin' as well.

Get on that Path to Mexico, Scheemers . . . gig is up, ya' motherfucker milksh!tters!

Enjoy that "free ride" home . . .


Pretending like this is not a political problem means you are part of the problem. You don't think there weren't politicians profiting off all of this shit? You dont' think corporations weren't raking in tons of money privatizing boondoggles with cheap labor? This is just more of a boondoggle. There is not one fucking crocodile tear for the labor force that went unemployed overnight when 10s of millions of people came over and took our jobs? You people aren't even doing anything about it with your fake fucking bullshit political scam wall con. The only difference is the state will still bring people in to take our jobs, and corporations will get to fuck us by bilking our taxes to pay for a wall to wall us in so we can never escape the fucking taxes.

[Ender]

Again . . . it is the overboard LEGAL legal LEGAL ya' $#@!in retard legal immigration from Mexico MEXICO MEXICO that has thwarted the legal immigration from every other OTHER other nation.
Mexico lie gig scheme is over - Chapter One being written. Prototypes getting built - with screens to meet the Zip requirement for see through portions.

Ya' still need correction (?) to get it right. Damn Zip! That's sadd.

by the United Nations Population figures that I have posted - with the purpose of posting ONLY to dispute the disinformation you promulgate that Mexico is not the bulk of migrants residing in the USA . . .
25% of migrants residing in the United States of America in 2017 are from . . . tada . . . numero UNO - MEXICO.

China currently comes in at 4.7% of the migrant-born population residing in the USA over one year - again according to UN statistics.

Just pretend Mexico is NOT the problem nation of immigration policy/law/standards/ethics.
That fuels the nation's wrath and fury against the damn Cortez' descendants even more with your effin' lies/distortion stats.
Everybuddy knows it . . . but it is not PC enuf . . . yet!

Dream that the free deportation flights don't exist or sometin' as well.

Get on that Path to Mexico, Scheemers . . . gig is up, ya' motherfucker milksh!tters!

Enjoy that "free ride" home . . .

https://s26.postimg.org/6h3lalhy1/deportation01.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Backatcha.

Mexico is NOT the problem and contrary to your superior BS, they are among the hardest workers on the planet.

I've worked in tourist sites where- wait for it- NOBODY would take the maintenance/maid jobs that were paying $15 A HR 10 years ago. I saw bosses call places looking for Mexican workers because everyone else was "too good" for these jobs.

Independent farmers used to depend on the Bracero workers so that farming could actually get done. But Big Corps and GMO can't have that now can they? Must have only the products THEY produce.

The whole fucking country is run by the MIC, Big Corps, Big Pharma, and politicians who get wealthy from them. But if a farmer wants to hire some Mexicans, who actually know how to work, then HE"S the bad guy.

Welcome to the Kingdom of Mercantilism.

Maybe you ought to get some edumacation on what REAL freedom is and what the FF actually fought for- it ain't nothin' like we have right now.

[Pauls' Revere]

We don’t need a wall on the south border any more than we need one on the north border.

End welfare and the problem largely disappears.


^^^BINGO^^^

[TheCount]

Engineering solutions abound with the horrific Mexico-specific immigration/criminal activity problem that has existed for the last 50 years, eh ?
If the existing wall is superior to Trump's big beautiful prototypes, why should we spend billions to build the new, inferior concrete wall?


Goonerment will spend regardless if the infrastructure is a wall or a bridge to nowhere and Mexicans send plenty money out of the country as well.
Yes, and it does that by convincing useful idiots on all sides to advocate for their preferred avenue of spending. 'Compromise' is made by agreeing to every type of stupid spending.


Rest assured - considered as a national security priority because of the horde of Mexicans in the USA now. accumulated over decades -
changing the language - utilizing socialism benefits

We need the wall because the Mexicans are already here? Are you unfamiliar with how walls work?


Honestly . . . I am for equality of that open border with all other nations in the true letter of the meaning
of "diversity" in immigration . . . as an avenue to prosperity for the entire nation.

Mexico has payback in some form for their abuse of all other nations - currently 525% more migrants than #2 China
as of 2017 UN statistics . . .
and if really vengeful, remind them they are JUST like their ancestor conquistadors from Europe.

What will this wall change with regard to legal immigration?

[Zippyjuan]

We need the wall because the Mexicans are already here? Are you unfamiliar with how walls work?



Gotta keep them from leaving. If there were no Mexicans, who could we blame our problems on?

[navy-vet]

Gotta keep them from leaving. If there were no Mexicans, who could we blame our problems on?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/01/trump-calls-for-tough-immigration-reform-after-report-caravan-with-central-americans-heading-to-us.html

[goldenequity]

Dear World, Dump US Debt! You’ve Got Nothing to Lose but the Chains
http://www.checkpointasia.net/pentagons-record-700-billion-budget-is-entirely-funded-by-debt/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

As Russia steadily slashes its military spending and announces cuts will continue for the next five years through 2022, the US is going in the other direction and shoveling ever more fantastic sums of money into the military and parasite defense corporations. (Around half of Pentagon budget now goes to contractors.)

US Congress passed a $1.3 trillion budget for the fiscal 2018 last week that allocates $700 billion to Pentagon. For fiscal 2019 the military has been promised $716 billion.

The $1.3 trillion discretionary spending comes on top of projected $2.8 trillion mandatory spending by the US Federal Government mainly on health and unemployment that is not up to the Congress.

White House projections optimistically predicts its requested budget would result in a budget deficit of $440 billion. Congress predicts $563 billion.

Both numbers are fantasy. The US federal government already produced a $666 billion deficit in fiscal 2017. There is no way even more spending in 2018 will result in a smaller deficit.

In every of the first three months of the fiscal 2018 the monthly deficit exceeded its 2017 counterpart. The full 2018 deficit is going to exceed $666 billion.

A survey of “primary dealers”, privileged banks and brokers that can buy US bonds directly from the Fed, has them expecting a 2018 deficit of $750 billion rising to $965 billion the next year. One government spending watchdog projects a deficit of $833 billion.

In other words, US 2018 deficit is likely going to be larger than all but 15 national economies in the world. In 2018 the US will suck up as much purchasing power from its creditors (and add dollars to its debt) as is the entire gross domestic product of Netherlands or Turkey.

The deficit is also (just barely) larger than its fantastically bloated military budget. If the US was forced to run a balanced budget, and wanted to keep every other budget item untouched it actually wouldn’t have a single dollar for the military.

Ironically the US keeps expanding its fantastic “defense” budget which only brings it closer to its financial funeral.

Meanwhile its vassals equally ironically keep funding its deficit and therefore military, and thus foolishly sustain imperial domination over themselves.

The most ironic position is China’s. Clearly marked by the US as a rival and a threat whose rise is to be arrested and contained, it nonetheless helps finance US deficits that finance the US military.

At the same time the US is selling debt it can only ever make good on if it can sell even more debt down the line (or if it “repays” it in devalued paper). When it can no longer do that it will have to give up on fantastic military budgets, or first pay for them with inflation and the economic impoverishment that entails and then give up. (Or cut entitlements but that’s even more difficult than slashing defense spending.)

Ironically the might of the most powerful empire the world has ever seen now rests on the goodwill, generosity (and ignorance) of those held down or threatened by it.

[Swordsmyth]

President Donald Trump (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/donald_trump/index.html) said Friday that he’s considering using military resources to finish construction of his long-promised border wall instead of relying on Congress to fund the project through the Homeland Security Department’s budget.
He also wouldn’t eliminate the possibility of a government shutdown if Democrats continue to confound his efforts to appropriate money for the project on the U.S.-Mexico (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/mexico/index.html) border.
"We have two options," he told DailyMail.com aboard Air Force One as he flew from Billings, Montana to Fargo, North Dakota. "We have military, we have homeland security."
He was asked specifically about using the Army Corps of Engineers as a taxpayer-funded construction crew.
Trump said he would prefer to fund the ambitious construction "the old-fashioned way — get it from Congress — but I have other options if I have to."
He’s seeking about $25 billion.

More at: https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/immigration/item/30018-does-trump-have-the-authority-to-use-military-to-build-border-wall