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Anti Federalist
03-24-2018, 04:34 AM
Expecting a million people in DC today, demanding that their freedom be taken away.

"We", on the other hand, are lucky to get 15,000.

Let's see what happens.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
03-24-2018, 05:31 AM
March for Our Lives is a 501-c-4 corporation with a crapload of money behind it. This is hardly organic or grassroots.

There was a time when YOU might pay $75 for a bus ride to protest in Washington. Now, Soros and his gang pay you. Make sure you blow dry your hair, kids!

One of the documents here: https://www.scribd.com/document/374294996/March-for-Our-Lives-Action-Fund-Application?irgwc=1&content=27795&campaign=VigLink&ad_group=976303&keyword=ft500noi&source=impactradius&medium=affiliate

Anti Federalist
03-24-2018, 05:48 AM
March for Our Lives is a 501-c-4 corporation with a crapload of money behind it. This is hardly organic or grassroots.

There was a time when YOU might pay $75 for a bus ride to protest in Washington. Now, Soros and his gang pay you. Make sure you blow dry your hair, kids!

One of the documents here: https://www.scribd.com/document/374294996/March-for-Our-Lives-Action-Fund-Application?irgwc=1&content=27795&campaign=VigLink&ad_group=976303&keyword=ft500noi&source=impactradius&medium=affiliate

Nah, sorry, I don't buy "The Soros BoogeyMan is behind all this" idea.

Sure, those orgs might be involved in the logistics of the whole mess, but these people would show up anyways, once agitated.

Look around you, we're living in a massive surveillance state, going bigger by the minute, restraints on government collecting, collating and storing data on innocent people are gone, government at levels is taking well over 3 TRILLION fucking dollars ever year from the AmeriKunt people, millions march and rally to demand freedom be taken away, or more property taken to pay for handouts and "gimmees", militarized cops shoot people, pets, livestock and get a hero's thanks for it.

Day in and day out and on and on it goes...

Freedom is not popular.

donnay
03-24-2018, 06:47 AM
March for Our Lives is a 501-c-4 corporation with a crapload of money behind it. This is hardly organic or grassroots.

There was a time when YOU might pay $75 for a bus ride to protest in Washington. Now, Soros and his gang pay you. Make sure you blow dry your hair, kids!

One of the documents here: https://www.scribd.com/document/374294996/March-for-Our-Lives-Action-Fund-Application?irgwc=1&content=27795&campaign=VigLink&ad_group=976303&keyword=ft500noi&source=impactradius&medium=affiliate

Yes his involvement has been directly and indirectly for a long time. We are also dealing with a generation who think hand-outs are what freedom is all about.

Flashback:
Marching to Soros' Tune: 100 Women's March Partners Funded by Left-Wing Billionaire
https://www.mrc.org/special-reports/marching-soros-tune-100-womens-march-partners-funded-left-wing-billionaire-0


Teen Gun Protest Funded, Promoted by Dozens of Left-Wingers, Including George Soros-Backed Moveon.org
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/03/16/teen-gun-protest-funded-promoted-dozens-left-wingers-including-george-soros-backed-moveon-org/

These Are The U.S. Billionaires Who Back Gun Control
https://www.forbes.com/sites/emmagoldberg/2016/06/15/these-are-the-u-s-billionaires-who-back-gun-control/#2bc95d6c7d9e

NorthCarolinaLiberty
03-24-2018, 06:50 AM
Nah, sorry, I don't buy the "Soros BoogeyMan" is behind all this idea.

Sure, those orgs might be involved in the logistics of the whole mess, but these people would show up anyways, once agitated.

Look around you, we're living in a massive surveillance state, going bigger by the minute, restraints on government collecting, collating and storing data on innocent people are gone, government at levels is taking well over 3 TRILLION fucking dollars ever year from the AmeriKunt people, millions march and rally to demand freedom be taken away, or more property taken to pay for handouts and "gimmees", militarized cops shoot people, pets, livestock and get a hero's thanks for it.

Day in and day out and on and on it goes...

Freedom is not popular.

I can agree with you on one level, but I think it's a mixed bag. I remember a DC rally I attended in the dead of January. We rode all night on a bus. It was 9pm-7am. We rallied Saturday morning. All I had for lunch was one these big ass soft pretzels. Cost me an arm and a leg (but man, it be good!). We left early Saturday afternoon. I got home early Sunday morning. Went to work Monday morning. I had to pay my bus fare.

I think they are paying people to organize these kids all the way down to about the lowest level. I don't know if the kids get paid, but I assume the kids are not paying their bus fare. Maybe they get boxed lunches or stop at some fast casual place. The internet makes it extra easy to round up people in hurry. This is much, much more sophisticated and orchestrated than the 1960s. The rally I went to was not too long ago. That's how much I think telecommunications has changed this in a very short time.

I could see some kids riding all night, but I bet most of them won't. They are too wrapped up in themselves and the phones to roll out of bed. Remember, these are the lazy fuckers who demand $15 an hour for salting fries. Bad attitude + big money = big rally.

donnay
03-24-2018, 07:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3j2taypdQs



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG0o3TAW7zU

NorthCarolinaLiberty
03-24-2018, 07:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3j2taypdQs



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG0o3TAW7zU



Holy crap; this is worse than I thought. I guess I'm shocked, but not surprised. They don't even tried to hide it. It's in your face, all supported by Amerikunts. AF is right.

kcchiefs6465
03-24-2018, 08:20 AM
It could be a million or 300 and I'd tell them the same thing.

Just would be nice to have a little back up from the executive but realistically, the executive never really was one to stand up for the violation of Law or rights.

TheTexan
03-24-2018, 11:22 AM
It's a good thing the Constitution has a built in mechanism that lets us defend our rights.





It's called voting.

Anti Federalist
03-24-2018, 11:43 AM
Michigan J Hogg says:

March for Our Lives will 'start a revolution,'

http://abcnews.go.com/US/parkland-school-shooting-survivor-march-lives-start-revolution/story?id=53981583

"We are sick and tired of the inaction here in Washington and around the country" by politicians who are "owned by the NRA," David Hogg, a senior at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, said on "Good Morning America" this morning. "Today we are going to start a revolution."

"We will change America with or without these politicians," continued Hogg, who lost 17 classmates and teachers in the mass shooting on Feb. 14.

Organizers of March for Our Lives expect hundreds of thousands of people to converge on Washington, D.C., for the main event there, with hundreds of other protests also planned today around the country and the world.

Hogg was asked about Parkland survivors' hopeful slogan of #NeverAgain after the massacre at their school considering there was another school shooting this week in Maryland high school in which one female student died and the male gunman was killed by a school-resource officer.

The Florida teen suggested the problem of gun violence has an array of causes in addition to the need for more firearms restrictions.

"It's due to a ... mental health care problem, a gun control problem, and an American problem," he said.

Hogg has been a harsh critic of the National Rifle Association.

The NRA is "just disgusting," hen told ABC News' "This Week" last month. "They act like they don't still own these politicians, but they do."

Since the Parkland school shooting, Hogg and classmates, including Cameron Kasky, Emma Gonzalez, Alex Wind and Jaclyn Corin, have played a leading role in helping to jumpstart a movement for greater restrictions on guns. A GoFundMe for March for Our Lives raised $3.3 million, and celebrities such as George and Amal Clooney and Oprah Winfrey contributed.

Raginfridus
03-24-2018, 11:49 AM
The NRA is disgusting. Hence why I support GOA, because they actually have a record of fighting, not one of tucking tail.

The NRA's an easy target, but in the end they won't hurt - we will.

seapilot
03-24-2018, 12:11 PM
They are marching so the government can control all the guns. At the same time they protest that Trump(in charge of the most powerful govt position) is a dictator and evil. Logic and Reason fail, thanks to the mislead media and publik edookatin.

nobody's_hero
03-24-2018, 12:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44zW84FKd50

Anti Federalist
03-24-2018, 12:19 PM
They are marching so the government can control all the guns. At the same time they protest that Trump(in charge of the most powerful govt position) is a dictator and evil. Logic and Reason fail, thanks to the mislead media and publik edookatin.

Exactly.


"Today we are going to start a revolution."

Insert <you keep using that word meme> here...

nobody's_hero
03-24-2018, 12:29 PM
I can agree with you on one level, but I think it's a mixed bag. I remember a DC rally I attended in the dead of January. We rode all night on a bus. It was 9pm-7am. We rallied Saturday morning. All I had for lunch was one these big ass soft pretzels. Cost me an arm and a leg (but man, it be good!). We left early Saturday afternoon. I got home early Sunday morning. Went to work Monday morning. I had to pay my bus fare.

I think they are paying people to organize these kids all the way down to about the lowest level. I don't know if the kids get paid, but I assume the kids are not paying their bus fare. Maybe they get boxed lunches or stop at some fast casual place. The internet makes it extra easy to round up people in hurry. This is much, much more sophisticated and orchestrated than the 1960s. The rally I went to was not too long ago. That's how much I think telecommunications has changed this in a very short time.

The story on my home page says that Delta airlines was covering air-fare to the march.

I'm sure Delta is pissed at republican state legislators in Georgia for killing their tax break on jet fuel after Delta cut the NRA discount. Maybe this is retaliation. I've got no love lost for Delta. They've been helping themselves to taxpayer subsidies for a good long time.

I swear I can't keep up with all the companies I'm supposed to be boycotting right now. I think I'm just gonna bury my paychecks in a coffee can in the backyard. No one gets my money until I figure out whose side you're on, lol. I've got a truck in the auto-shop right now and really I need a rental car. There's an Enterprise rental lot a block away but damned if I'm gonna rent from them.

Son_of_Liberty90
03-24-2018, 12:32 PM
I feel like becoming a member of gun rights advocacy groups today. Any recommendations on which ones I should join?

Son_of_Liberty90
03-24-2018, 12:33 PM
The NRA is disgusting. Hence why I support GOA, because they actually have a record of fighting, not one of tucking tail.

The NRA's an easy target, but in the end they won't hurt - we will.
Does GOA have education initiatives like NRA does though? NRA is pretty good with education. I saw a NRA youtube ad where one women said she got her CC license but still does not carry because she feels she needs more training.

Raginfridus
03-24-2018, 12:46 PM
Does GOA have education initiatives like NRA does though? NRA is pretty good with education. I saw a NRA youtube ad where one women said she got her CC license but still does not carry because she feels she needs more training.To my knowledge they don't. I can't apply for a cc, because I was officially diagnosed with depression by a headshrinker years ago.

Anti Federalist
03-24-2018, 12:58 PM
I feel like becoming a member of gun rights advocacy groups today. Any recommendations on which ones I should join?

Join NRA for the perks and frankly the clout of millions of members.

Join GOA for core values and staying on message.

The more the merrier.

Swordsmyth
03-24-2018, 01:03 PM
I feel like becoming a member of gun rights advocacy groups today. Any recommendations on which ones I should join?

GOA and/or NAGR

navy-vet
03-24-2018, 01:25 PM
Does GOA have education initiatives like NRA does though? NRA is pretty good with education. I saw a NRA youtube ad where one women said she got her CC license but still does not carry because she feels she needs more training.
Not everyone should carry. If they are uncomfortable or lack the confidence, then they, and those of us around them, might be better off if they don't.

timosman
03-24-2018, 01:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M0FWh2tOwg

AuH20
03-24-2018, 02:07 PM
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AuH20
03-24-2018, 02:11 PM
I give up on human beings. There is nothing organic about this movement.

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AuH20
03-24-2018, 02:13 PM
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Raginfridus
03-24-2018, 02:18 PM
I give up on human beings. There is nothing organic about this movement.

977615756740431872
https://youtu.be/3cur1uMGrxs

Swordsmyth
03-24-2018, 02:20 PM
Check out this little salute/gesture David Hogg does at the end of his speech.

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/sta...480066/video/1 (https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/977601968603480066/video/1)

Anti Globalist
03-24-2018, 02:29 PM
They can have as many marches as they want. At the end of the day, theres nothing about the movement thats organic.

PursuePeace
03-24-2018, 02:35 PM
Check out this little salute/gesture David Hogg does at the end of his speech.

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/sta...480066/video/1 (https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/977601968603480066/video/1)

What the heck was that?

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/730809saturday-night-fever-posters1_1827.jpg

:confused:
weird.

Swordsmyth
03-24-2018, 02:38 PM
What the heck was that?

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/730809saturday-night-fever-posters1_1827.jpg

:confused:
weird.

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03-24-2018, 03:08 PM
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kahless
03-24-2018, 03:27 PM
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Raginfridus
03-24-2018, 03:36 PM
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aGameOfThrones
03-24-2018, 03:44 PM
There are people that are saying that more teens are killed in car accidents than gun violence, but then the anti-gun groups says: “a car has multiple uses other than using it to drive over people whereas a gun is only use for killing” despite the fact that Many people use a gun to save their lives without even firing a single shot or killing anyone, but whatever. Now, if guns are only use for killing then it’s logical that abortionists are only use for killing(practicing medicine)too, right? 😉😉😉

When are these kids marching for babies lives matter?

kahless
03-24-2018, 03:46 PM
There are people that are saying that more teens are killed in car accidents than gun violence, but then the anti-gun groups says: “a car has multiple uses other than using it to drive over people whereas a gun is only use for killing” despite the fact that Many people use a gun to save their lives without even firing a single shot or killing anyone, but whatever. Now, if guns are only use for killing then it’s logical that abortionists are only use for killing(practicing medicine)too, right? ������

When are these kids marching for babies lives matter?

Proving it is all one big scam.

btw - also a statistic that more kids die playing Football.

enhanced_deficit
03-24-2018, 04:09 PM
Need to make a comment on the hypocrisy factor. Is left wing neocons/war crimes lobbies/media nexus using these emotionally vunlerable kids for their political agenda and suddenly opposed to violence against innocent, kids? Or the held such massive rallied when DGP 1.0 was droning little kids left n right during past decade?

Even human rights/kids civil rights chamion MLK family sent their kid to rally with media blessing and in recent past they were either quiet or standing with/enabling one of the worst child killing dronegangsters in US history?

Martin Luther King's granddaughter: 'I have a dream that enough is enough' (http://wtvr.com/2018/03/24/martin-luther-kings-granddaughter-i-have-a-dream-that-enough-is-enough/)
wtvr.com 2h ago

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"Every Time I Think About Those Kids It Gets Me Mad"

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SWC Drone King's Victims Diaries I (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?431097-U-S-drone-strikes-killed-Pakistani-grandmother&p=5277619&viewfull=1#post5277619)

SWC Drone King's Victims Diaries II (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?431958-Girl-who-survived-Obama-drone-attack-is-younger-than-his-daughter&p=5288233&viewfull=1#post5288233)

While You Were Debating Obama’s ‘Selfie,’ U.S. Drones Killed 13+ Yemen Wedding Guests (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?436307-While-You-Were-Debating-Obama%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98Selfie-%E2%80%99-U-S-Drones-Killed-13-Yemen-Wedding-Guests&)

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aGameOfThrones
03-24-2018, 04:14 PM
Proving it is all one big scam.

btw - also a statistic that more kids die playing Football.


It’s funny that Rifle homicides are about 3% of all murders(other murder accessories are higher), yet we must ban them while at the same time saying”we are not trying to confiscate your guns”. A Rifle ban is a gateway ban to other tools of equality.

sdsubball23
03-24-2018, 05:17 PM
One of the sentiments I would think these gun control advocates have is that guns make it much easier to kill people in mass quantities than a knife or other non-gun weapon.

How do you guys respond to that?

AuH20
03-24-2018, 05:23 PM
One of the sentiments I would think these gun control advocates have is that guns make it much easier to kill people in mass quantities than a knife or other non-gun weapon.

How do you guys respond to that?

Any competent machinist with a lathing machine can reproduce rifle parts pretty easily. There is no way to effectively ban rifles and their components if the populace wants them.

goldenequity
03-24-2018, 05:34 PM
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tod evans
03-24-2018, 05:36 PM
One of the sentiments I would think these gun control advocates have is that guns make it much easier to kill people in mass quantities than a knife or other non-gun weapon.

How do you guys respond to that?

Guns also empower weaker do-gooders to defend themselves and others...From a distance.

Disarming the law abiding is a fools game.

pcosmar
03-24-2018, 05:41 PM
Guns also empower weaker do-gooders to defend themselves and others...From a distance.

Disarming the law abiding is a fools game.

I am concerned that these ignorant children will end up sparking the comflict that they are least prepared to enter...


I'm still disarmed,, I'm still waiting for those that are not..

I have no problem picking up a gun from a corpse,, when that time comes.

these silly children are pushing an agenda that started before their parents.

tod evans
03-24-2018, 05:44 PM
I am concerned that these ignorant children will end up sparking the comflict that they are least prepared to enter...


I'm still disarmed,, I'm still waiting for those that are not..

I have no problem picking up a gun from a corpse,, when that time comes.

these silly children are pushing an agenda that started before their parents.

Conflict is inevitable, who sets it off really doesn't matter....

Son_of_Liberty90
03-24-2018, 05:47 PM
Not everyone should carry. If they are uncomfortable or lack the confidence, then they, and those of us around them, might be better off if they don't.
No, I'm saying thats a good thing. I'm glad NRA showed that in their commercial; that even those who get their license are self-aware enough to know they need more training. Very good IMO

pcosmar
03-24-2018, 05:48 PM
Conflict is inevitable, who sets it off really doesn't matter....

I am disinclined to start it..


I'll take a first round volley as long as I am guaranteed to see those that shot me fall. ;)

otherwise I counsel against such,, and wait for it


I don't run nothin'

goldenequity
03-24-2018, 05:51 PM
977679793738207232

977647505541423104

Son_of_Liberty90
03-24-2018, 06:09 PM
I give up on human beings. There is nothing organic about this movement.

977615756740431872
Emma Gonzalez literally looks like the face of cultural marxism.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
03-24-2018, 06:11 PM
One of the sentiments I would think these gun control advocates have is that guns make it much easier to kill people in mass quantities than a knife or other non-gun weapon.

How do you guys respond to that?




In the early morning of Tuesday July 26, a lone attacker with a backpack full of knives stabbed 19 people to death and injured at least 25 more...
(https://qz.com/742140/why-are-mass-murders-so-uncommon-in-japan/)

In June 2008, Tomohiro Kato killed seven and injured ten in the Tokyo entertainment district of Akihabara after driving into a crowd with a truck and then attacking bystanders with a knife. (https://qz.com/742140/why-are-mass-murders-so-uncommon-in-japan/)


...a man in Tokyo went on a random stabbing spree with a dagger in 2008, killing four people.
(https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/outside-americas-knives-are-often-weapon-choice-homicides-180949953/)


In June 2001, Mamoru Takuma stabbed eight students to death and wounded 15 others at an elementary school in Osaka. (https://qz.com/742140/why-are-mass-murders-so-uncommon-in-japan/)

In South Korea, a disgruntled man killed eight people in a stabbing spree at his apartment complex in 2008.
(https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/outside-americas-knives-are-often-weapon-choice-homicides-180949953/)

In Germany, a drunk 16-year-old stabbed 41 people at the opening ceremony of a Berlin train station.
(https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/outside-americas-knives-are-often-weapon-choice-homicides-180949953/)

...more than 130 people in a train station in Kunming, China, were injured when about ten men and women wielding knives began stabbing others at random, [31 were killed]
(https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/outside-americas-knives-are-often-weapon-choice-homicides-180949953/)

Last June, knife-wielding assailants killed nine policemen and 17 civilians at a police station in Lukqun Township in Xinjiang.
(https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/outside-americas-knives-are-often-weapon-choice-homicides-180949953/)

...another man stabbed several passengers on a bus in Henan province, killing three, including a 10-month old baby and a 10-year-old child.
(https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/outside-americas-knives-are-often-weapon-choice-homicides-180949953/)

There were 37,443 recorded knife offences and 6,694 recorded gun offences in the year up to September 2017. (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5251268/london-stabbings-rise-knife-crime-statistics-uk-latest/http://)

NorthCarolinaLiberty
03-24-2018, 06:12 PM
dupe

phill4paul
03-24-2018, 06:14 PM
It’s funny that Rifle homicides are about 3% of all murders(other murder accessories are higher), yet we must ban them while at the same time saying”we are not trying to confiscate your guns”. A Rifle ban is a gateway ban to other tools of equality.

I think you have hit on something here. "Tools of Equality." I really like that.

kahless
03-24-2018, 06:22 PM
I am concerned that these ignorant children will end up sparking the comflict that they are least prepared to enter...


I'm still disarmed,, I'm still waiting for those that are not..

I have no problem picking up a gun from a corpse,, when that time comes.

these silly children are pushing an agenda that started before their parents.

I am more worried the generation that has been brainwashed to hate the founding fathers over Marxist dictators will be lining us up in front of ditches one day. Of course all taught by the public school system, Hollywood and the news media to hate the elderly, right to life, gun owners, Conservatives, people of faith, anyone in fly over country and white men.

phill4paul
03-24-2018, 06:25 PM
It’s funny that Rifle homicides are about 3% of all murders(other murder accessories are higher), yet we must ban them while at the same time saying”we are not trying to confiscate your guns”. A Rifle ban is a gateway ban to other tools of equality.

https://i.imgflip.com/272pwb.jpg

kahless
03-24-2018, 06:25 PM
975745721528995840

kahless
03-24-2018, 06:42 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZE3YYCV4AA6zV5.jpg

phill4paul
03-24-2018, 06:48 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZE3YYCV4AA6zV5.jpg

Funnny!

Anti Globalist
03-24-2018, 06:53 PM
How ironic. These anti-gun protestors are being protected by government agents with guns. These kids really need to get their heads out of their asses but I think were at a point of no return.

Raginfridus
03-24-2018, 07:36 PM
Conflict is inevitable, who sets it off really doesn't matter....There won't be a set off, liberty will die with a wimper as its doing now. All it takes is dumping the daycare onto the streets, a gaggle of self-fellatiating celebrities, a supreme cunt in the WH, and money flow out the taxpayers' asses and you've got yourself an express ticket to servitude aboard the Vox Populi Vox Dei.

timosman
03-24-2018, 08:20 PM
https://i.imgur.com/yU2tBZG.jpg

AZJoe
03-24-2018, 08:30 PM
https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29342267_1760607700669505_477951102010330342_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=0&oh=64d13805d94ff24f9f133543c11cb788&oe=5B4248B0

Son_of_Liberty90
03-24-2018, 08:43 PM
So, to commemmorate this "March for our Lives" event, I have become a member of the NRA, GOA, JPFO (Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership), and the 2nd Amendment Foundation. :D

phill4paul
03-24-2018, 08:51 PM
So, to commemmorate this "March for our Lives" event, I have become a member of the NRA, GOA, JPFO (Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership), and the 2nd Amendment Foundation. :D

The best form of firearm membership is buying more firearms, ammunition and the means and ability to make ammunition, IMHO. If these three things are well in hand then the $100 dollars per year for these four organizations might be considered to be well spent.

Raginfridus
03-24-2018, 09:13 PM
So, to commemmorate this "March for our Lives" event, I have become a member of the NRA, GOA, JPFO (Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership), and the 2nd Amendment Foundation. :D

JPFO? That's a good movie:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1c/f8/c2/1cf8c2d0187736eb96cc63d3982bdbdf.jpg

Son_of_Liberty90
03-24-2018, 09:14 PM
The best form of firearm membership is buying more firearms, ammunition and the means and ability to make ammunition, IMHO. If these three things are well in hand then the $100 dollars per year for these four organizations might be considered to be well spent.

Unfortunately that is not financially feasible for me at the moment. If you can't afford firearms should you buy ammo anyway? Is sig sauer ammo good?

Raginfridus
03-24-2018, 09:20 PM
As long as you keep your gun clean between use, buy cheap ammo.

seapilot
03-24-2018, 10:53 PM
One of the sentiments I would think these gun control advocates have is that guns make it much easier to kill people in mass quantities than a knife or other non-gun weapon.

How do you guys respond to that?


The gun control advocates demonize the gun as only made for killing. The best argument is to turn it around and say it also defends and protects a lot more lives than it kills. Self defense is a right and the gun control advocate will not debate that but put the argument on the gun not the role as a tool it plays. It is a superior self defense tool because it is easy to use for people that would be at a physical disadvantage with only a knife or non gun weapon.

kahless
03-25-2018, 12:29 AM
It was only a matter of time before someone edited the audio. lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTaqC93xtMo

Anti Federalist
03-25-2018, 12:39 AM
Unfortunately that is not financially feasible for me at the moment. If you can't afford firearms should you buy ammo anyway? Is sig sauer ammo good?
Son_of_Liberty90

I'm not sure Sig makes ammo, only very high quality guns.

If you want to buy ammo, cheap surplus in common calibers can always be of use i.e. 5.56 x 45mm - 7.62 x 39mm - 7.62 x 51mm - 9 x 19mm - .40 S & W - .45 ACP.

That said, even on a limited budget, you could score a decent used .22 rifle or pump 12 gauge shotgun for $100-200.

For instance: http://www.unclehenrys.com/search/Guns

Anti Federalist
03-25-2018, 01:04 AM
While others march, these teens shoot. At targets.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/others-march-teens-shoot-targets-013605594.html

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/Imk4iB284qfuwgPrCqo1FQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAw/http://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/95c07099a022b48f38ad6c0e03a16050

EATONTON GA – Nearly four dozen high school students gathered at the Rock Eagle 4-H Conference Center here on Saturday, at about the same time that another group of high school students gathered on an outdoor stage in Washington DC.

Those at the DC rally had come to demand gun control. Those here in Eatonton had come to do some shooting.

This .22 Rimfire Silhouette Exhibition Match had been scheduled long before 17 people were killed at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., and therefore long before the survivors of that rampage had sparked a national protest movement. But even if this day-long test of marksmanship wasn’t deliberate counterprogramming, it did provide an illuminating counterpoint.

<snip>

That’s news to Josh, who says even though he is homeschooled, and therefore doesn’t have experience with the active shooter drills he hears described by his friends, he still spends plenty of time in public spaces but does not go through his days afraid. “I live with my two parents,” both of whom own guns and “know how to keep me safe,” he says. “And soon when I turn 18 I will have a carry permit and keep myself safe.”

dannno
03-25-2018, 03:00 AM
One of the sentiments I would think these gun control advocates have is that guns make it much easier to kill people in mass quantities than a knife or other non-gun weapon.

How do you guys respond to that?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APC2jnOSfhQ

Raginfridus
03-25-2018, 06:23 AM
The gun control advocates demonize the gun as only made for killing. The best argument is to turn it around and say it also defends and protects a lot more lives than it kills. Self defense is a right and the gun control advocate will not debate that but put the argument on the gun not the role as a tool it plays. It is a superior self defense tool because it is easy to use for people that would be at a physical disadvantage with only a knife or non gun weapon.Without the gun, whatever warlord happened to want your property today could claim it. The gun has always been demonized* for it's particular application: killing made easier. Peasants could harass invading armies 'foraging' off their lord's land. They could protect their loved ones and share of the crop from burdensome tax with little or no training. They could put food on the table when the season was horrible. The last few points might seem quaint and anachronistic (for now), but the one and most important use of the gun remains killing quickly and easily.

State goons can't take life or property as freely, while the nation they oppress is strapped to the nines. Its up to individuals to be ready and willing to turn their sights on the State and to stay organized, if they wish to remain equal to the State and not regress to low peasants. Can the average anti-gun nut afford the cost of protection their handlers pay for 24 hour security? Taking your liberty with your 2nd Amendment responsibility by remaining chattel defers your power to others: the killer, the thief, the State. You have no voice of your own now, but what movement, financier, or State will allow.

So I agree, the gun is for killing en masse - maintaining the promise of consequences for unjust laws and their enforcement. The only weapons gap I'm concerned about closing is that between citizens and the State. Its on you to defend yourselves from both the psycho, the thief, and also the State - especially when the thieves and psychos sit in the State. When a people love life more than liberty, they lose both.

*The spirit of the argument for disarming free peoples hasn't changed across time or seas. The gun has always been a weapon of mass killing. You can embrace the responsibility, or just count on luck to save you the trouble, but I'll be damned if I plan my own life around your luck.

Anti Federalist
03-25-2018, 06:36 AM
Without the gun, whatever warlord happened to want your property today could claim it. The gun has always been demonized* for it's particular application: killing made easier. Peasants could harass invading armies 'foraging' off their lord's land. They could protect their loved ones and share of the crop from burdensome tax with little or no training. They could put food on the table when the season was horrible. The last few points might seem quaint and anachronistic (for now), but the one and most important use of the gun remains killing quickly and easily.

State goons can't take life or property as freely, while the nation they oppress is strapped to the nines. Its up to individuals to be ready and and willing to turn their sights on the State and to stay organized, if they wish to remain equal to the State and not regress to low peasants.

So I agree, the gun is for killing en masse - maintaining the promise of consequences for unjust laws and their enforcement. The only weapons gap I'm concerned about closing is that between citizens and the State. Its on you to defend yourselves from both the psycho, the thief, and the State - especially when the thieves and psychos sit in the State. When a people love life more than liberty, they lose both.

*The spirit of the argument for disarming free peoples hasn't changed across time or seas. The gun has always been a weapon of mass killing. You can embrace the responsibility, or just count on luck to save you the trouble, but I'll be damned if I plan my own life around your luck.

Yes, that. +rep

donnay
03-25-2018, 07:45 AM
High School student with common sense!

977556805789343745

Anti Federalist
03-25-2018, 09:43 AM
Switzerland has a stunningly high rate of gun ownership — here's why it doesn't have mass shootings

https://www.sfgate.com/technology/businessinsider/article/Switzerland-has-a-stunningly-high-rate-of-gun-12709383.php

Hilary Brueck

Published 4:57 pm, Saturday, March 24, 2018

The country has about 2 million privately owned guns in a nation of 8.3 million people. In 2016, the country had 47 homicides with firearms. The country's overall murder rate is near zero.

(The overall violent crime rate in the US is due to the 800 lb. gorilla in the room nobody wants to talk about. - AF)

The National Rifle Association often points to Switzerland to argue that more rules on gun ownership aren't necessary. In 2016, the NRA said on its blog that the European country had one of the lowest murder rates in the world while still having millions of privately owned guns and a few hunting weapons that don't even require a permit.

But the Swiss have some specific rules and regulations for gun use.

Switzerland is obsessed with getting shooting right. Every year, it holds a shooting contest for kids aged 13 to 17.

Zurich's Knabenschiessen is a traditional annual festival that dates back to the 1600s.

Though the word roughly translates to "boys shooting" and the competition used to be only boys, teenage girls have been allowed in since 1991.

Kids in the country flock to the competition every September to compete in target shooting using Swiss army service rifles. They're proud to show off how well they can shoot.

Accuracy is prized above all else, and a Schutzenkonig — a king or queen of marksmen — is crowned.

Having an armed citizenry helped keep the Swiss neutral for more than 200 years.

The Swiss stance is one of "armed neutrality."

Switzerland hasn't taken part in any international armed conflict since 1815, but some Swiss soldiers help with peacekeeping missions around the world.

Many Swiss see gun ownership as part of a patriotic duty to protect their homeland.

Most Swiss men are required to learn how to use a gun.

Unlike the US, Switzerland has mandatory military service for men.

All men between the ages of 18 and 34 deemed "fit for service" are given a pistol or a rifle and trained.

After they've finished their service, the men can typically buy and keep their service weapons, but they have to get a permit for them.

In recent years, the Swiss government has voted to reduce the size of the country's armed forces.

Anti Federalist
03-25-2018, 09:56 AM
But the Swiss have some specific rules and regulations for gun use.

None of which would stop a mass shooter.

They have a country that is consistently listed as one of the best, most free, places to live in the world.

The Bolsheviks and Marxists are doing everything they can to destroy it though.

I'm sure they will be successful given enough time.

CaptUSA
03-25-2018, 09:58 AM
One of the items on their legislative wish list is to raise the age of purchasing any gun to 21.

So apparently they are saying they’re not responsible enough to own a weapon for their own self defense. But then somehow they’re responsible enough to know what’s best for everyone else???

Their arguments are so easy to refute that at some point you’d think they’d realize that they’re just regurgitating their indoctrination. But our media loves the regurgitation so the easy questions never get asked.

Madison320
03-25-2018, 10:08 AM
None of which would stop a mass shooter.

They have a country that is consistently listed as one of the best, most free, places to live in the world.

The Bolsheviks and Marxists are doing everything they can to destroy it though.

I'm sure they will be successful given enough time.

I agree. I think gun control is more of a symptom of socialism, not the cause of it. Unlimited democracy is the root cause, in my opinion.

AuH20
03-25-2018, 10:09 AM
On September 13, 1994, the Federal Assault Weapons Ban went into effect. A Washington Post editorial published two days later was candid about the ban's real purpose:

[N]o one should have any illusions about what was accomplished [by the ban]. Assault weapons play a part in only a small percentage of crime. The provision is mainly symbolic; its virtue will be if it turns out to be, as hoped, a stepping stone to broader gun control.

Anti Federalist
03-25-2018, 10:20 AM
I agree. I think gun control is more of a symptom of socialism, not the cause of it. Unlimited democracy is the root cause, in my opinion.
The cultural malaise and depression that collectivism and cultural Marxism causes, yes, this can drive on the edge people right over the edge.

AuH20
03-25-2018, 10:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcE2SP00FhU

Jamesiv1
03-25-2018, 10:37 AM
High School student with common sense!

977556805789343745Smart, well-spoken kid.

So few and far between..........

AuH20
03-25-2018, 10:46 AM
I like this man immensely. Love the shirt too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaxQINDun_Q

tommyrp12
03-25-2018, 10:51 AM
Here's their manifesto. Basically a gun grabbers wet dream.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/commentisfree/2018/mar/23/parkland-students-manifesto-americas-gun-laws


After the massacre at our high school, our lives have changed forever – so we’re proposing these changes to halt mass shootings
March for Our Lives – live updates
by Editorial staff of the Eagle Eye
Fri 23 Mar 2018 01.00 EDT
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s a student publication, the Eagle Eye works to tell the stories of those who do not have a voice. Today, we are the ones who feel our voice must be elevated.
In the wake of the tragedy that occurred at our school on 14 February at Marjory Stoneman Douglas, our lives have changed beyond what we ever imagined. We, along with our publication, have been transformed. We will remain so for the rest of our lives.

We have a unique platform not only as student journalists, but also as survivors of a mass shooting. We are firsthand witnesses to the kind of devastation that gross incompetence and political inaction can produce. We cannot stand idly by as the country continues to be infected by a plague of gun violence that seeps into community after community, and does irreparable damage to the hearts and minds of the American people.
That’s why the Eagle Eye has come together and proposed these following changes to gun policy. We believe federal and state governments must put these in place to ensure that mass shootings and gun violence cease to be a staple of American culture.
We will be marching this Saturday, 24 March, for those that we loved and lost, and we write this in the hope that no other community or publication will ever have to do the same.
The changes we propose:

Ban semi-automatic weapons that fire high-velocity rounds
Civilians shouldn’t have access to the same weapons that soldiers do. That’s a gross misuse of the second amendment.
These weapons were designed for dealing death: not to animals or targets, but to other human beings. The fact that they can be bought by the public does not promote domestic tranquility. Rather, their availability puts us into the kind of danger faced by men and women trapped in war zones.
This situation reflects a failure of our government. It must be corrected to ensure the safety of those guaranteed the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Ban accessories that simulate automatic weapons
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High-capacity magazines played a huge role in the shooting at our school. In only 10 minutes, 17 people were killed, and 17 others were injured. This is unacceptable.
That’s why we believe that bump stocks, high-capacity magazines and similar accessories that simulate the effect of military-grade automatic weapons should be banned.
In the 2017 shooting in Las Vegas, 58 people were killed and 851 others were injured. The gunman’s use of bump stocks enabled vast numbers of people to be hurt while gathered in one of the most iconic cities in America. If it can happen there, it can happen anywhere. That’s why action must be taken to take these accessories off the market.

Establish a database of gun sales and universal background checks
We believe that there should be a database recording which guns are sold in the United States, to whom, and of what caliber and capacity they are.

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Just as the department of motor vehicles has a database of license plates and car owners, the Department of Defense should have a database of gun serial numbers and gun owners. This data should be paired with infractions of gun laws, past criminal offenses and the status of the gun owner’s mental health and physical capability.
Together with universal background checks, this system would help law enforcement stop a potentially dangerous person before they commit a gun crime.

Change privacy laws to allow mental healthcare providers to communicate with law enforcement
As seen in the tragedy at our school, poor communication between mental healthcare providers and law enforcement may have contributed to a disturbed person with murderous tendencies and intentions entering a school and gunning down 17 people in cold blood.
We must improve this channel of communication. To do so, privacy laws should be amended. That will allow us to prevent people who are a danger to themselves or to others from purchasing firearms. That could help prevent tragedies such as the Parkland massacre.

Close gun show and secondhand sales loopholes
Thanks to loopholes, people who otherwise wouldn’t be able to buy firearms are able to purchase them at gun shows and secondhand sales. The existence of these loopholes reflects the ineptitude of state and federal legislators.
If we are serious about preventing people from purchasing deadly weapons, we must monitor sales that take place at gun shows and on secondhand markets. This is especially urgent given the danger posed by mentally unstable and violent individuals armed with firearms.
Allow the CDC to make recommendations for gun reform
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention should be allowed to conduct research on the dangers of gun violence. The fact that they are currently prohibited from doing so undermines the first amendment. It also violates the rights of the American people.
It is hypocritical to rally people to protect the second amendment, while remaining silent on the ways that blocking research violates one of our most basic constitutional freedoms.

Raise the firearm purchase age to 21
In a few months from now, many of us will be turning 18. We will not be able to drink; we will not be able to rent a car. Most of us will still be living with our parents. We will not be able to purchase a handgun. And yet, we will be able to purchase an AR-15.
Why is it that we will be able to legally obtain a weapon that has the ability to fire over 150 rounds and kill 17 people in about six minutes? That is unacceptable. It makes no sense that to buy a handgun, you have to be 21, but a gun of mass destruction and devastation like the AR-15 can be purchased when one is just becoming an adult.
With the exception of those who are serving the United States in the military, the age to obtain any firearm must be raised to 21.



Dedicate more funds to mental health research and professionals
Federal and state government should earmark more funds specifically for mental health services. Those with mental health issues, especially those who express aggressive, violent, suicidal and/or homicidal thoughts should have the opportunity to receive the help they need regardless of their economic status.
Schools specifically should receive more funds in order to hire more psychologists and guidance counselors who can aid students suffering from PTSD, depression and other debilitating mental illnesses.
Many of those who commit mass shootings suffer from these kinds of illnesses. It is essential that more funds be dedicated to mental health research.

Increase funding for school security
We believe that schools should be given sufficient funds for school security and resource officers to protect and secure the entire campus. As a school of over 3,000 students, teachers and faculty, Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school was only supplied funds to hire one on-campus armed resource officer by the state.
Without backup, this officer’s hesitation proved to be disastrous and allowed for the senseless deaths of people who were killed on the third floor of the 1200 building.
Though this idea has been proposed in the past, these funds should not be appropriated from the already scarce funding for public education. Governments should find resources to secure the millions of children that attend public schools without taking away from the quality of education that is offered at these institutions.




Before entertaining the idea of "just enforce the laws on the books" especially states with AWB's, this lady (AG) did exactly that after she reinterpreted it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9Q3x2Pza6o

Raginfridus
03-25-2018, 10:55 AM
Here's their manifesto. Basically a gun grabbers wet dream.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/commentisfree/2018/mar/23/parkland-students-manifesto-americas-gun-laws




Dedicate more funds to mental health research and professionals
Federal and state government should earmark more funds specifically for mental health services. Those with mental health issues, especially those who express aggressive, violent, suicidal and/or homicidal thoughts should have the opportunity to receive the help they need regardless of their economic status.
Schools specifically should receive more funds in order to hire more psychologists and guidance counselors who can aid students suffering from PTSD, depression and other debilitating mental illnesses.
Many of those who commit mass shootings suffer from these kinds of illnesses. It is essential that more funds be dedicated to mental health research."More slush for Big Pharma"

Now you see...

pcosmar
03-25-2018, 11:02 AM
I agree. I think gun control is more of a symptom of socialism, not the cause of it. Unlimited democracy is the root cause, in my opinion.

Authoritarianism is the Root.

AuH20
03-25-2018, 11:08 AM
I think this ignorance disqualifies them from the debate.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENN1eeyuLPY

nobody's_hero
03-25-2018, 11:12 AM
None of which would stop a mass shooter.

They have a country that is consistently listed as one of the best, most free, places to live in the world.

The Bolsheviks and Marxists are doing everything they can to destroy it though.

I'm sure they will be successful given enough time.

They also have a more homogenous culture than the US. I know that's politically incorrect to point out. There's much less demographic tension in Switzerland than here in the US.

tommyrp12
03-25-2018, 11:20 AM
"More slush for Big Pharma"

Now you see...

Not only that, it will have the opposite effect. They won't seek help because the point is to disarm them.


Schools specifically should receive more funds in order to hire more psychologists and guidance counselors who can aid students suffering

Read as diagnose every kid with something and then rat them out.

Anti Globalist
03-25-2018, 11:21 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcE2SP00FhU
Didn't this guy endorse Bernie Sanders, a guy who supports gun control?

kahless
03-25-2018, 11:31 AM
It is for the children.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZDc2fBXUAA9OTD.jpg

FLASHBACK: Hitler Also Used Children to Promote Gun Control
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/03/reminder-hitler-also-used-children-to-promote-gun-control/

“These boys and girls enter our organizations [at] ten years of age, and often for the first time get a little fresh air; after four years of the Young Folk they go on to the Hitler Youth, where we have them for another four years . . . And even if they are still not complete National Socialists, they go to Labor Service and are smoothed out there for another six, seven months . . . And whatever class consciousness or social status might still be left . . . the Wehrmacht [German armed forces] will take care of that.”
—Adolf Hitler (1938)

nobody's_hero
03-25-2018, 11:31 AM
The whole magazine limitation is a retarded debate anyway:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCSySuemiHU

I know liberals like to think that time just stops when someone has to reload and there's time to go make coffee and take a shit and come back before the shooter continues his rampage, but yeah, I get so tired of the 'high-cap magazine' debate.

Brian4Liberty
03-25-2018, 11:32 AM
977960439157088257
https://twitter.com/USAB4L/status/977960439157088257

Raginfridus
03-25-2018, 11:32 AM
Didn't this guy endorse Bernie Sanders, a guy who supports gun control?Yeah, he needs to work some things out.

Brian4Liberty
03-25-2018, 11:33 AM
977953976787316737
https://twitter.com/USAB4L/status/977953976787316737

PursuePeace
03-25-2018, 11:35 AM
I think this ignorance disqualifies them from the debate.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENN1eeyuLPY




From 2:36 on.... !!!

This kind of ignorance should disqualify them from being American citizens.

Brian4Liberty
03-25-2018, 11:40 AM
977963136870469639
https://twitter.com/USAB4L/status/977963136870469639

aGameOfThrones
03-25-2018, 11:49 AM
POS running for sheriff will kill you if you don’t give up your arms to him.


https://twitter.com/RealRedElephant/status/977667911811719169?s=20

GunnyFreedom
03-25-2018, 12:39 PM
https://i.imgur.com/4axOuc2.png

Anti Federalist
03-25-2018, 01:13 PM
They also have a more homogenous culture than the US. I know that's politically incorrect to point out. There's much less demographic tension in Switzerland than here in the US.

That was the 800 lb gorilla in the room I was alluding to in the post just before that.

If the US had the same demographics as Switzerland, we'd have a very similar rate of violent crime.

AZJoe
03-25-2018, 01:30 PM
https://pics.me.me/police-are-all-racist-trigger-happy-thugs-only-police-should-19276811.png

AZJoe
03-25-2018, 01:31 PM
http://www.gun-shots.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/315399_10151110952528092_604307620_n.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d5/aa/fa/d5aafad3ea95206dd65a5c6aea550b69.jpg

AZJoe
03-25-2018, 01:35 PM
https://2wolvesandalamb.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/59395_441302232595325_960150797_n1.jpg http://www.meoso.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/obeying-laws.jpg

https://jalmacroportfolio.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/kent-state-meme-generator-we-didnt-ban-guns-when-it-was-the-government-killing-innocent-students-53778c.jpg

https://www.activistpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/gun%252Bcontrol%252B4.2.14.jpg

AZJoe
03-25-2018, 02:01 PM
I think this ignorance disqualifies them from the debate.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENN1eeyuLPY

https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29511958_2050831371797108_8088868192744019460_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=d70d5cad485115c99a6bd6d233cfb2c7&oe=5B3EA850

donnay
03-25-2018, 02:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iH1QPfPQlc

timosman
03-25-2018, 02:13 PM
From 2:36 on.... !!!

This kind of ignorance should disqualify them from being American citizens.

You have to remember these people, in their private lives, work for corporations and would get in trouble for openly supporting 2A.

Anti Globalist
03-25-2018, 02:23 PM
https://i.imgur.com/4axOuc2.png
I'm thinking this poster is satire. Especially when you look at #4.

GunnyFreedom
03-25-2018, 02:25 PM
I'm thinking this poster is satire. Especially when you look at #4.

I believe that it is obviously satire. The parenthetical statement in orange is a clear tell. (because that's not pointless & redundant)

RJB
03-25-2018, 02:26 PM
I'm thinking this poster is satire. Especially when you look at #4.

Especially how he follows with #5. I would like to have a beer with this fellow, trolling them in the belly of the beast.

dannno
03-25-2018, 03:42 PM
I like this man immensely. Love the shirt too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaxQINDun_Q

Hip Hop Has Reached a Pinnacle.


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?468111-Hip-Hop-Has-Reached-a-Pinnacle


His albums are fantastic...

Raginfridus
03-25-2018, 04:47 PM
Especially how he follows with #5. I would like to have a beer with this fellow, trolling them in the belly of the beast.

The quotes around "for" too.

lilymc
03-25-2018, 05:18 PM
With all the talk about this event, I was disheartened about kids today, especially now that they're being used as pawns. But then I was reading some comments on Instagram, and I was happily surprised to see that a lot more people are awake than I previously thought. And this was on a vegan page!



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otherone
03-25-2018, 06:10 PM
Just flabbergasted that anyone actually thinks prohibition doesn't make the problems worse.

Son_of_Liberty90
03-25-2018, 06:51 PM
I'm on this guy's email list now after speaking with him on sanctuary cities. He's running for one of the state districts (16) in Maryland:


Dear Friends, Neighbors, and Constituents,

Enough is enough.

Gun violence must stop. It's time that we take responsible action to protect our children in school and the rest of us in society.

Just as we require drivers to take driver education courses and to pass an exam to obtain a driver's license, so too should we require gun owners to take a gun safety course and pass a gun safety exam in order to own a gun.

Just as we require vehicle owners to maintain a vehicle registration and pass an environmental emissions test every other year, so too should we require gun owners to register their firearms with the State of Maryland and demonstrate every other year that they continue to have the gun in their possession. Gun owners should be expected to know where their firearms are at all times and to keep them secure. The Second Amendment may guarantee Americans the right to bear arms, but so too do Marylanders have a right to being safe in their schools, homes, and communities.

A RESOLUTION AGAINST GUN VIOLENCE

WHEREAS firearms have taken the lives of far too many Americans; and,
WHEREAS firearms have increasingly been used in the perpetration of national tragedies; and,
WHEREAS current firearm regulations have proven insufficient at thwarting public massacres; and,
WHEREAS encouraging responsibility and accountability among gun owners is in the interests of all
Marylanders; and,

THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED:

THAT to provide for responsible gun ownership in Maryland, all firearms will be registered in a statewide database and that all firearm registrations will be regularly renewed on a biannual (24 months) basis by providing physical proof of continued ownership of the firearm.
THAT all firearms lacking registration with the state or having expired registrations be surrendered to the State and that the State proactively seek to retrieve and confiscate all firearms with expired registrations exceeding six months.
THAT every firearm recovered from the scene of a crime or discovered to be in the possession of a convicted felon is cross-listed with this firearms registry database.
THAT to penalize straw purchasing of firearms, the owner of every firearm used in a homicide or robbery be penalized in accordance with the determination of the Secretary for the crime regardless of their (non)-involvement in the crime.
THAT gun owners pass a gun safety course and exam to obtain a firearm license.
THAT the State of Maryland implement a buy back program to reduce the number of guns in our society.
THAT every bullet sold in Maryland have a traceable, unique identifier much like a car has a Vehicle Identification Number.

Regards,

Holy $H!T

AuH20
03-25-2018, 07:19 PM
Predictable

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/03/jared-kushners-younger-brother-josh-spotted-at-marchforourlives-anti-gun-rally-in-dc/

dannno
03-25-2018, 08:58 PM
I'm on this guy's email list now after speaking with him on sanctuary cities. He's running for one of the state districts (16) in Maryland:



Holy $H!T

LOL.. ya the criminals in Maryland are really going to file into a database...

sdsubball23
03-25-2018, 09:10 PM
In the early morning of Tuesday July 26, a lone attacker with a backpack full of knives stabbed 19 people to death and injured at least 25 more...
(https://qz.com/742140/why-are-mass-murders-so-uncommon-in-japan/)

In June 2008, Tomohiro Kato killed seven and injured ten in the Tokyo entertainment district of Akihabara after driving into a crowd with a truck and then attacking bystanders with a knife. (https://qz.com/742140/why-are-mass-murders-so-uncommon-in-japan/)


...a man in Tokyo went on a random stabbing spree with a dagger in 2008, killing four people.
(https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/outside-americas-knives-are-often-weapon-choice-homicides-180949953/)


In June 2001, Mamoru Takuma stabbed eight students to death and wounded 15 others at an elementary school in Osaka. (https://qz.com/742140/why-are-mass-murders-so-uncommon-in-japan/)

In South Korea, a disgruntled man killed eight people in a stabbing spree at his apartment complex in 2008.
(https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/outside-americas-knives-are-often-weapon-choice-homicides-180949953/)

In Germany, a drunk 16-year-old stabbed 41 people at the opening ceremony of a Berlin train station.
(https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/outside-americas-knives-are-often-weapon-choice-homicides-180949953/)

...more than 130 people in a train station in Kunming, China, were injured when about ten men and women wielding knives began stabbing others at random, [31 were killed]
(https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/outside-americas-knives-are-often-weapon-choice-homicides-180949953/)

Last June, knife-wielding assailants killed nine policemen and 17 civilians at a police station in Lukqun Township in Xinjiang.
(https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/outside-americas-knives-are-often-weapon-choice-homicides-180949953/)

...another man stabbed several passengers on a bus in Henan province, killing three, including a 10-month old baby and a 10-year-old child.
(https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/outside-americas-knives-are-often-weapon-choice-homicides-180949953/)

There were 37,443 recorded knife offences and 6,694 recorded gun offences in the year up to September 2017. (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5251268/london-stabbings-rise-knife-crime-statistics-uk-latest/http://)


https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-12

These are stats from the FBI for 2016 in the US. Gun murders far exceeded knife murders.

The link you provided regarding knife and gun offences is for the UK not the US.

Swordsmyth
03-25-2018, 09:28 PM
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-12

These are stats from the FBI for 2016 in the US. Gun murders far exceeded knife murders.

The link you provided regarding knife and gun offences is for the UK not the US.

What he provided shows that if you ban guns you have just as big of a murder problem, they just use knives, if you ban knives they will use blunt instruments.

RonZeplin
03-25-2018, 09:52 PM
I Went to the March for Our Lives Protest. Here Are My 7 Takeaways. (https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/03/24/went-march-lives-protest-7-takeaways/)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2048&amp;v=xWEkbaHWrZw

brushfire
03-25-2018, 10:08 PM
Children are a common target for both lunatic gunman, and crisis exploiting, big government statists.

Just look at all the so called solutions they are proposing - none of them would have prevented the horrific outcome in FL, or NV for that matter. This is the same retread, lets exploit these emotionally vulnerable people, during a time of crisis.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-jhwbd0oJA

Raginfridus
03-25-2018, 10:13 PM
I Went to the March for Our Lives Protest. Here Are My 7 Takeaways. (https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/03/24/went-march-lives-protest-7-takeaways/)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2048&amp;v=xWEkbaHWrZwWalk past the humvee. Walk past the squad car. Into the safe zone. A word from our sponsors. Watch these hand-picked activists. Go home...

AuH20
03-25-2018, 10:16 PM
Children are a common target for both lunatic gunman, and crisis exploiting, big government statists.

Just look at all the so called solutions they are proposing - none of them would have prevented the horrific outcome in FL, or NV for that matter. This is the same retread, lets exploit these emotionally vulnerable people, during a time of crisis.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-jhwbd0oJA

It's all the same talking points. 'Military grade weapons.' Huh? Military grade is usually related to durability of a particular item.

AuH20
03-25-2018, 10:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h6N-oD5In8

AuH20
03-25-2018, 10:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oton-ZB4FGw

Anti Federalist
03-25-2018, 10:28 PM
LOL.. ya the criminals in Maryland are really going to file into a database...

We're the criminals.

Swordsmyth
03-25-2018, 10:31 PM
We're the criminals.

I would never register my weapons (If I had any ;)) so the effect is the same.

Anti Federalist
03-25-2018, 10:32 PM
None of them had a thing to say when a "military grade" firearm was used to attempt an assassination on the GOP baseball team which included Rand.

AuH20
03-25-2018, 10:35 PM
Most of the country is not batshit prog yet. But the MSM amplifies their voices, and this augmentation sways the fence sitters.

Swordsmyth
03-25-2018, 10:45 PM
Virginia Senator Mark Warner (D) said Sunday that he would reconsider his previous opposition to a ban on assault-style weapons, following a day of gun-control marches (https://thinkprogress.org/march-for-our-lives-sibling-events-d80b4e399277/) across the country that attracted hundreds of thousands of participants.
Warner, one of 15 Democrats who voted against (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/17/assault-weapons-ban_n_3103120.html) a ban on assault-style weapons in 2013, said “it’s time to change our positions and reexamine” gun control laws in the United States.
“I’d always been in favor of universal background checks, particularly after Sandy Hook, but I think it’s time for us to have a legitimate debate about restrictions on gun magazines and assault weapons,” Warner said on CBS’s Face the Nation.
“You get into definitions, but the basic notion of these weaponized, militarized weapons need to be off our streets.”
Warner also voted against (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/17/assault-weapons-ban_n_3103120.html) a ban on high-capacity magazines in 2013. At that time, the senator had an A grade (https://thinkprogress.org/meet-the-nra-backed-senate-democrats-who-oppose-obamas-gun-violence-prevention-plan-7f15504b6b5c/) from the NRA, although he took a more active role in speaking out against gun violence following the Sandy Hook shooting.

More at: https://thinkprogress.org/senator-mark-warner-assault-weapons-ban-00c46d07a5f0/

Son_of_Liberty90
03-25-2018, 11:09 PM
Interesting how all of these leftist nutjobs want to make guns illegal but make no qualms about crimes committed by illegal aliens. "Oh, that does not represent all of them" they say.

timosman
03-25-2018, 11:45 PM
https://i.imgur.com/lIf10uQ.jpg

aGameOfThrones
03-26-2018, 12:04 AM
There are Zombies saying that Chicago gun laws don't work as what the anti-gun government intended because people can buy them in surrounding states and bring them to Chicago and sell them to criminals etc. So what's Puerto Rico's excuse? Puerto Rico has unconstitutional gun laws(court opinion), it has Chicago gun violence, it has a long waiting period for Citizens, it forces you to give up your 4th Amend, it cost quite a bit of money to be permitted to exercise your 2nd Amendment, it has "You neighbor vouching system" to see if your neighbors like you enough for you to be allowed to have a gun.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
03-26-2018, 02:25 AM
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-12

These are stats from the FBI for 2016 in the US. Gun murders far exceeded knife murders.

The link you provided regarding knife and gun offences is for the UK not the US.


How does that not answer your question, which was,

One of the sentiments I would think these gun control advocates have is that guns make it much easier to kill people in mass quantities than a knife or other non-gun weapon.

How do you guys respond to that?

Anti Federalist
03-26-2018, 03:17 AM
How does that not answer your question, which was,

One of the sentiments I would think these gun control advocates have is that guns make it much easier to kill people in mass quantities than a knife or other non-gun weapon.

How do you guys respond to that?

More than twice as many people killed every year by "fists and feet" than by rifles of all kinds.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_w eapon_2009-2013.xls

Anti Federalist
03-26-2018, 03:28 AM
I like this man immensely. Love the shirt too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaxQINDun_Q

MSNBC Smears NRA as Exploiting Black Rapper to Make Whites Scared of Blacks

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/brad-wilmouth/2018/03/25/msnbc-smears-nra-exploiting-black-rapper-make-whites-scared-blacks

By Brad Wilmouth | March 25, 2018 2:36 PM EDT

On Sunday's AM Joy, host Joy Reid and her panel were again hating on the NRA, this time smearing the pro-gun group with a conspiracy theory that it recently had black rapper Killer Mike -- who notably supported Bernie Sanders for President -- as a guest for the purpose of scaring members to become afraid of blacks and therefore to buy more guns.

Frequent guest Michelle Bernard -- who has been an MSNBC contributor and a columnist for Roll Call -- pushed the theory, inspiring agreement from Reid.


Nearing the end of the show shortly before 12:00 p.m. Eastern, Reid played a clip of Killer Mike on NRA TV. Reid then came on and chided the rapper for associating himself with the NRA, and also repeated the myth that the NRA did not react to the shooting death of black motorist and concealed carry holder Philando Castille after he was pulled over by a Minneapolis police officer. Here's Reid:

There's a lot of thoughts that people have about what Killer Mike has decided to do and to say in support of an organization that has made threatening video, including threatening videos about yours truly, that has essentially treated black and brown people as fodder for a scare campaign to get more guns, and then said absolutely zero when Philando Castille, a legal gun owner, was shot down by police. NRA said nothing.

In fact, the NRA released a statement expressing concerns about the Castille shooting the day after it happened, and called for an investigation, but took the position that it would be inappropriate to continue commenting while the investigation was taking place.

When host Reid went to Bernard for reaction, she complained:

It's disgusting. The one time I've been able to find when the NRA actually supported gun control was in the 1960s when America was fearful of Bobby Seal, Malcolm X, and other Civil Rights leaders.

She soon added:

I cannot believe he has allowed himself to be a puppet for the NRA, and I believe that the only reason the NRA is doing it is because it will sell more guns. Any person who is fearful of black men will take one look at that man wearing his gold chain, and what are they going to do? They're going to run out to any local store they can and they're going to get another gun.

After Reid injected, "Right," Bernard continued: "It's a vicious cycle because then if a black man got killed in Sacramento last week holding a cell phone, 20 shots."

Reid asked, "Twenty shots -- where was the NRA?" leading Bernard to add: "How many black men might get shot if they actually go out and get more guns?"

Anti Federalist
03-26-2018, 03:48 AM
Report: March For Our Lives Crowd Count Well Below Expected And Initial Reports

http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/25/report-march-for-our-lives-crowd-count-low/

KERRY PICKET

10:38 AM 03/25/2018

Around 200,000 people attended the March For Our Lives gun control event in Washington, D.C. Saturday afternoon, CBS News reported.

The number is well below the 500,000 number organizers of the event expected and 600,000 less than initially reported by many news outlets immediately following the celebrity-fueled march and rally. The march took place between noon and 3 p.m. on Pennsylvania Avenue between 3rd Street NW and 12th Street NW.

DamianTV
03-26-2018, 07:12 AM
"Let them march all they want, so long as they pay their taxes..."

-Govt

shakey1
03-26-2018, 07:18 AM
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/MeanCoarseAmericanpainthorse-size_restricted.gif

Raginfridus
03-26-2018, 07:22 AM
Report: March For Our Lives Crowd Count Well Below Expected And Initial Reports

http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/25/report-march-for-our-lives-crowd-count-low/

KERRY PICKET

10:38 AM 03/25/2018

Around 200,000 people attended the March For Our Lives gun control event in Washington, D.C. Saturday afternoon, CBS News reported.

The number is well below the 500,000 number organizers of the event expected and 600,000 less than initially reported by many news outlets immediately following the celebrity-fueled march and rally. The march took place between noon and 3 p.m. on Pennsylvania Avenue between 3rd Street NW and 12th Street NW.

It wasn't even a march. Nobody was home, and congress was out.

Raginfridus
03-26-2018, 07:27 AM
MSNBC Smears NRA as Exploiting Black Rapper to Make Whites Scared of Blacks

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/brad-wilmouth/2018/03/25/msnbc-smears-nra-exploiting-black-rapper-make-whites-scared-blacks

By Brad Wilmouth | March 25, 2018 2:36 PM EDT

On Sunday's AM Joy, host Joy Reid and her panel were again hating on the NRA, this time smearing the pro-gun group with a conspiracy theory that it recently had black rapper Killer Mike -- who notably supported Bernie Sanders for President -- as a guest for the purpose of scaring members to become afraid of blacks and therefore to buy more guns.

Frequent guest Michelle Bernard -- who has been an MSNBC contributor and a columnist for Roll Call -- pushed the theory, inspiring agreement from Reid.


Nearing the end of the show shortly before 12:00 p.m. Eastern, Reid played a clip of Killer Mike on NRA TV. Reid then came on and chided the rapper for associating himself with the NRA, and also repeated the myth that the NRA did not react to the shooting death of black motorist and concealed carry holder Philando Castille after he was pulled over by a Minneapolis police officer. Here's Reid:

There's a lot of thoughts that people have about what Killer Mike has decided to do and to say in support of an organization that has made threatening video, including threatening videos about yours truly, that has essentially treated black and brown people as fodder for a scare campaign to get more guns, and then said absolutely zero when Philando Castille, a legal gun owner, was shot down by police. NRA said nothing.

In fact, the NRA released a statement expressing concerns about the Castille shooting the day after it happened, and called for an investigation, but took the position that it would be inappropriate to continue commenting while the investigation was taking place.

When host Reid went to Bernard for reaction, she complained:

It's disgusting. The one time I've been able to find when the NRA actually supported gun control was in the 1960s when America was fearful of Bobby Seal, Malcolm X, and other Civil Rights leaders.

She soon added:

I cannot believe he has allowed himself to be a puppet for the NRA, and I believe that the only reason the NRA is doing it is because it will sell more guns. Any person who is fearful of black men will take one look at that man wearing his gold chain, and what are they going to do? They're going to run out to any local store they can and they're going to get another gun.

After Reid injected, "Right," Bernard continued: "It's a vicious cycle because then if a black man got killed in Sacramento last week holding a cell phone, 20 shots."

Reid asked, "Twenty shots -- where was the NRA?" leading Bernard to add: "How many black men might get shot if they actually go out and get more guns?"

This shit doesn't fool anybody anymore. People who watch cable news watch to get the official story their side wrote. We need coalitions in this country, not Parties.

Anti Federalist
03-26-2018, 08:16 AM
Sharpton: ‘The Second Amendment Doesn’t Give You the Right to Bear AR-15s or Assault Weapons’

http://freebeacon.com/issues/sharpton-second-amendment-doesnt-give-right-bear-ar-15s-assault-weapons/

BY: Cameron Cawthorne

March 25, 2018 2:56 pm

MSNBC host Al Sharpton claimed Sunday that the Second Amendment does not protect the right of Americans to bear "AR-15s or assault weapons" because such weapons did not exist when the Constitution was written.

Sharpton appeared to be referencing Colion Noir, an NRATV host who, during his show on Friday, discussed the National Rifle Association's response to the "March for Our Lives" protest in Washington, D.C. and across the country on Saturday. Students organized the rally in the nation's capital in the wake of last month's mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, to demand tougher gun restrictions.

"To all the kids from Parkland getting ready to use your First Amendment to attack everyone else's Second Amendment at your march on Saturday, I wish a hero like Blaine Gaskill had been at Marjory Douglas High School last month because your classmates would still be alive and no one would know your names, because the media would have completely and utterly ignored your story, the way they ignored his," Noir said.

Sharpton dismissed Noir's argument about the students using the their First Amendment rights to go after Second Amendment rights.

"No they're not. The Second Amendment doesn't give you the right to bear AR-15s or assault weapons. They didn't even exist then," Sharpton said. "They are standing up for sane and common-sense gun laws that many of us have [inaudible] for years."

Sharpton went on to say that Noir's argument is "an old trick" that the NRA is using and that the organization is "flipping the script" like President Donald Trump has on other issues.

Sharpton is not the first MSNBC host to make this argument; Ari Melber spent an entire segment last month arguing that the Second Amendment does not apply to AR-15s or assault weapons.

donnay
03-26-2018, 08:22 AM
Too bad he let the left pressure him to backpeddle what he originally said. I would have more respect for people to stand firm to their convictions because he was absolutely right in this video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXtpUE1b2NY

Raginfridus
03-26-2018, 08:22 AM
We've heard it all before. USG has exceeded the scope of the BoR and Constitution. When his friends in congress disarm the military, and the cops go home, then preach to me.

donnay
03-26-2018, 08:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENN1eeyuLPY

Son_of_Liberty90
03-26-2018, 08:53 AM
https://i.imgur.com/lIf10uQ.jpg

Truth!!

GunnyFreedom
03-26-2018, 10:30 AM
I lost mine in a boating accident.

CaptUSA
03-26-2018, 10:47 AM
[B]

"No they're not. The Second Amendment doesn't give you the right to bear AR-15s or assault weapons. They didn't even exist then," Sharpton said. "They are standing up for sane and common-sense gun laws that many of us have [inaudible] for years."

Sharpton went on to say that Noir's argument is "an old trick" that the NRA is using and that the organization is "flipping the script" like President Donald Trump has on other issues.

Sharpton is not the first MSNBC host to make this argument; Ari Melber spent an entire segment last month arguing that the Second Amendment does not apply to AR-15s or assault weapons.

Well, I think we can ban MSNBC, then. You know... since it didn't exist when the 1st Amendment was written.

aGameOfThrones
03-26-2018, 12:29 PM
Why do Zombies always say, “ that the 2nd amendment in the constitution was written in a different time when we had indian wars, crazy brits etcs”, and most of those same Zombies follow a religious book that it’s older and that was written at a different time.

Anti Federalist
03-26-2018, 02:02 PM
Parkland Survivor: ‘When They Give Us That Inch, That Bump Stock Ban, We Will Take a Mile’

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/03/26/parkland-survivor-give-us-inch-bump-stock-ban-will-take-mile/

by AWR HAWKINS 26 Mar 2018

During Saturday’s student march for gun control, Parkland shooting survivor Delany Tarr made clear that she and other gun controllers plan to parlay a bump stock ban into numerous other gun controls.

Tarr spoke to the crowd and Think Progress quoted her saying, “When they give us that inch, that bump stock ban, we will take a mile.”

Tarr’s statement exposes the threat to freedom tied to the bump stock ban from day one. After all, bump stocks do not convert semiautomatic firearms into automatic ones, so banning them as if they do opens the door to banning numerous other devices that do not convert the actions of semiautomatic either.

Former ATF gun tech chief Rick Vasquez sounded this alarm in January when he warned that a bump stock will lead to other bans.

He told the Military Arms Channel, “So ATF’s been directed to write a regulation with the strength of a law.” He said the advance notice copy of the new rule makes clear that the ATF’s new regulation will ban “any device that automatically resets a firearm and enhances the rate of fire.” He added, “They are trying to target binary triggers, [bump stock] devices, and other devices, but that is such broad language, can I take that to a Gatling gun? …So now you start stretching this [new] definition, and who is going to decide what the [standard] rate of fire is?” In other words, Vasquez is saying a this new ban simply opens the door to “stretching” the language to cover other devices, as the ruling class sees fit.

Gun Owners of America has been warning against a bump stock gun control, be that legislative or regulative control, from the start. The NRA took the position of opposing legislation action but asking the ATF to consider a regulative move.

The regulative move is in its final stages and at least one gun control activists involved in the student march is making clear the intention to use a bump stock ban as a segue into numerous other gun controls.

Swordsmyth
03-26-2018, 02:05 PM
Parkland Survivor: ‘When They Give Us That Inch, That Bump Stock Ban, We Will Take a Mile’

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/03/26/parkland-survivor-give-us-inch-bump-stock-ban-will-take-mile/

by AWR HAWKINS 26 Mar 2018

During Saturday’s student march for gun control, Parkland shooting survivor Delany Tarr made clear that she and other gun controllers plan to parlay a bump stock ban into numerous other gun controls.

Tarr spoke to the crowd and Think Progress quoted her saying, “When they give us that inch, that bump stock ban, we will take a mile.”

Tarr’s statement exposes the threat to freedom tied to the bump stock ban from day one. After all, bump stocks do not convert semiautomatic firearms into automatic ones, so banning them as if they do opens the door to banning numerous other devices that do not convert the actions of semiautomatic either.

Former ATF gun tech chief Rick Vasquez sounded this alarm in January when he warned that a bump stock will lead to other bans.

He told the Military Arms Channel, “So ATF’s been directed to write a regulation with the strength of a law.” He said the advance notice copy of the new rule makes clear that the ATF’s new regulation will ban “any device that automatically resets a firearm and enhances the rate of fire.” He added, “They are trying to target binary triggers, [bump stock] devices, and other devices, but that is such broad language, can I take that to a Gatling gun? …So now you start stretching this [new] definition, and who is going to decide what the [standard] rate of fire is?” In other words, Vasquez is saying a this new ban simply opens the door to “stretching” the language to cover other devices, as the ruling class sees fit.

Gun Owners of America has been warning against a bump stock gun control, be that legislative or regulative control, from the start. The NRA took the position of opposing legislation action but asking the ATF to consider a regulative move.

The regulative move is in its final stages and at least one gun control activists involved in the student march is making clear the intention to use a bump stock ban as a segue into numerous other gun controls.


He said the advance notice copy of the new rule makes clear that the ATF’s new regulation will ban “any device that automatically resets a firearm and enhances the rate of fire.”

That could be used to ban ANY Semi-Auto.

Anti Federalist
03-26-2018, 02:09 PM
That could be used to ban ANY Semi-Auto.

Exactly.

And when the new democrat senate and house get elected in the fall, you can damn well bet your last dollar that either legislation or regulatory fatwa will do precisely that.

Thank you, Donald Trump...you managed to keep ObamaCare, sign off on $1.2 trillion of deficit spending, expand the wars and drones and bombings, grow the scope and power of the surveillance state, and, oh yeah, got more gun control through in two years than Obama did in eight.

aGameOfThrones
03-26-2018, 02:11 PM
When your Belt can be your bump stock, banning a cooler add-on to a tool makes it logical.

Swordsmyth
03-26-2018, 03:19 PM
Google Searches For ‘NRA Membership’ Spiked During March For Our Liveshttp://dailycaller.com/2018/03/26/google-search-for-nra-membership-spikes-during-march-for-our-lives/


Google Searches For ‘Buy AR-15’ Surge After ‘March For Our Lives’ Rallyhttps://www.infowars.com/google-searches-for-buy-ar-15-surge-after-march-for-our-lives-rally/

CaptainAmerica
03-26-2018, 03:41 PM
https://www.gunsamerica.com/UserImages/190617/933593958/wm_8860790.jpg

I want to buy myself an m1a short barrel. The frothing psycho liberals encourage me before their ban

Raginfridus
03-26-2018, 03:50 PM
CaptainAmerica I opened another window to grab this vid. First "you may be interested" video was of the M1.

Google Searches For ‘NRA Membership’ Spiked During March For Our Liveshttp://dailycaller.com/2018/03/26/google-search-for-nra-membership-spikes-during-march-for-our-lives/


Google Searches For ‘Buy AR-15’ Surge After ‘March For Our Lives’ Rallyhttps://www.infowars.com/google-searches-for-buy-ar-15-surge-after-march-for-our-lives-rally/
https://youtu.be/fXi1eTAaIxk

CaptainAmerica
03-26-2018, 03:58 PM
https://earthoceanskyredux.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/dw4fwcxwsair7qw.jpg

NorthCarolinaLiberty
03-26-2018, 04:21 PM
For the people who always say militias are obsolete:


"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788


"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? [see link for complete quote]
--Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.


"The right [to bear arms] is general. It may be supposed from the phraseology of this provision that the right to keep and bear arms was only guaranteed to the militia; but this would be an interpretation not warranted by the intent. [See link for full quote]
-- Thomas M. Cooley, General Principles of Constitutional Law, Third Edition [1898]




More quotes at link http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/quotes/arms.html

NorthCarolinaLiberty
03-26-2018, 04:23 PM
"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves …"
--Richard Henry Lee
writing in Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic, Letter XVIII, May, 1788.

http://cap-n-ball.com/fathers.htm

kcchiefs6465
03-26-2018, 06:23 PM
I like this man immensely. Love the shirt too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaxQINDun_Q


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmGcB-z6F1A

kcchiefs6465
03-26-2018, 06:24 PM
https://www.gunsamerica.com/UserImages/190617/933593958/wm_8860790.jpg

I want to buy myself an m1a short barrel. The frothing psycho liberals encourage me before their ban
Do it. Backpage has a few usually in the $1300 range. $1200 cash would probably take one home.

Lamp
03-27-2018, 11:12 AM
https://i.imgur.com/4axOuc2.png

I like that.

dannno
03-27-2018, 11:31 AM
Not DC....this is where I live..

https://independent.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2018/03/26/march_for_our_lives.jpg




On the bright side, it appears it was actually just a bunch of fucking boomers..

https://independent.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/croppedphotos/2018/03/26/DSC_8500_t600_t958.jpg?fef15e12b784e9bbb22bf3f2924 819218cda3d1a

seapilot
03-27-2018, 11:46 AM
A comment on a firearm blog ,


Met some kids at my Hotel just outside DC this weekend. They told me they thought they were on a school sponsored field trip to see DC. They didn’t know they were going to be in a demonstration until they got there. Surprise Surprise!

Noticed on many firearm forums there are rumblings and discussions for better organization as they feel betrayed by most in the Republican congress. Some are wanting public marches, while another one reminded me of early RP movement. Some are calling for a buy a gun day to crash NICs once a year so the politicos understand gun owners are organized not only though NRA and GOA.

The date discussed is Dec 15 the day Bill of Rights was ratified. I think it could work as many are looking for something to do to show strength and that they are not alone in this fight for freedom.

specsaregood
03-27-2018, 11:47 AM
https://independent.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/croppedphotos/2018/03/26/DSC_8500_t600_t958.jpg?fef15e12b784e9bbb22bf3f2924 819218cda3d1a


Looks like a total Hillary parade, well I guess they have nothing better to do.

dannno
03-27-2018, 11:50 AM
Some are calling for a buy a gun day to crash NICs once a year

Well that certainly couldn't hurt.

Anti Federalist
03-27-2018, 12:03 PM
On the bright side, it appears it was actually just a bunch of fucking boomers..

https://independent.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/croppedphotos/2018/03/26/DSC_8500_t600_t958.jpg?fef15e12b784e9bbb22bf3f2924 819218cda3d1a

I want to address the broad in the yellow shirt here, specifically:

https://i.imgur.com/4WiKJxH.jpg

You're a teacher.

By your own admission, according to your sign, I cannot trust you with a firearm, for reasons unstated, yet alluded to by a caricature of "hair raising panic".

So what in the flying fuck makes you think I should trust you with my children?

Anti Federalist
03-27-2018, 01:39 PM
For Jerusalem is ruined, and Judah is fallen: because their tongue and their doings are against the LORD, to provoke the eyes of his glory.

As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them.

O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

Swordsmyth
03-27-2018, 01:42 PM
Not DC....this is where I live..

https://independent.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2018/03/26/march_for_our_lives.jpg




On the bright side, it appears it was actually just a bunch of $#@!ing boomers..

https://independent.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/croppedphotos/2018/03/26/DSC_8500_t600_t958.jpg?fef15e12b784e9bbb22bf3f2924 819218cda3d1a

You should move.

Anti Federalist
03-27-2018, 01:50 PM
You should move.

It was everywhere...

Swordsmyth
03-27-2018, 01:51 PM
For Jerusalem is ruined, and Judah is fallen: because their tongue and their doings are against the LORD, to provoke the eyes of his glory.

As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them.

O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

Ezekiel
Chapter 34 1 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-1/)And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-2/)Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
3 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-3/)Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock.
4 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-4/)The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them.
5 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-5/)And they were scattered, because there is no shepherd: and they became meat to all the beasts of the field, when they were scattered.
6 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-6/)My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them.
7 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-7/)Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD;
8 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-8/)As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock;
9 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-9/)Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD;
10 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-10/)Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.
11 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-11/)For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.
12 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-12/)As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
13 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-13/)And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.
14 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-14/)I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel.
15 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-15/)I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD.
16 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-16/)I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.
17 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-17/)And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats.
18 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-18/)Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet?
19 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-19/)And as for my flock, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet; and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet.
20 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-20/)Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD unto them; Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat cattle and between the lean cattle.
21 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-21/)Because ye have thrust with side and with shoulder, and pushed all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad;
22 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-22/)Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle.
23 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-23/)And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
24 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-24/)And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.
25 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-25/)And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land: and they shall dwell safely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods.
26 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-26/)And I will make them and the places round about my hill a blessing; and I will cause the shower to come down in his season; there shall be showers of blessing.
27 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-27/)And the tree of the field shall yield her fruit, and the earth shall yield her increase, and they shall be safe in their land, and shall know that I am the LORD, when I have broken the bands of their yoke, and delivered them out of the hand of those that served themselves of them.
28 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-28/)And they shall no more be a prey to the heathen, neither shall the beast of the land devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and none shall make them afraid.
29 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-29/)And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more.
30 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-30/)Thus shall they know that I the LORD their God am with them, and that they, even the house of Israel, are my people, saith the Lord GOD.
31 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-34-31/)And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, are men, and I am your God, saith the Lord GOD.

nobody's_hero
03-27-2018, 02:05 PM
For the people who always say militias are obsolete:


"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788


"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? [see link for complete quote]
--Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.


"The right [to bear arms] is general. It may be supposed from the phraseology of this provision that the right to keep and bear arms was only guaranteed to the militia; but this would be an interpretation not warranted by the intent. [See link for full quote]
-- Thomas M. Cooley, General Principles of Constitutional Law, Third Edition [1898]




More quotes at link http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/quotes/arms.html

Let's be honest, being in a militia means more than just exchanging oxygen for carbon dioxide while shooting at paper targets and tannerite. Any idiot can be 'able bodied'. I say that with tough love towards the gun owning community (myself included, I own no fatigues and I'm out-of-shape as fk, lol).

No offense, but I get so tired of those quotes, because they're utterly meaningless. They aren't going to convince people on the fence, and any minuteman in a real militia back in 1775 would take the heavy end of his musket and beat the shit out of any gun owner today before he could even get his gun safe unlocked. Honest to God, I'd put all my chips down on the trained minuteman winning that fight.

99% of gun owners today are not militia. They do not even possess the right attitude to be part of a militia. Let's stop kidding ourselves. We aren't militia, we're "gun owners."

See if this sounds like "2nd amendment supporters" you know:


Guns are hobbies.
Guns are a date activity.
Guns are fun to shoot.
Guns are collectibles.
Guns are decoration pieces.
Guns are for hunting.
Guns are investments (get x before it is illegal)
Guns are for home defense (good guess, I'll give it a C-).

^^none of the above comes remotely close to what a militia standard is.

Oh, here' ya go:


Guns Firearms are for combat

*record player screeches, a glass slips out of a hand at a dinner party, fat lady faints*, "what did he just say?!?!"

But . . . it's true. —even if taboo. Even misguided gun-grabbing liberals are right on this. Firearms are weapons of war. They are meant for combat. Where liberals get it wrong is that they think war is never justified, and are using the argument that 'these weapons only belong in warzones' to try to disarm innocent people who have never raised their guns in aggression to deprive someone of life or liberty.

And the sad fact is, that if laws were passed at the state level making it mandatory for militias to organize and train for combat every other Saturday (as would have been common in this country before 1865), 99% of gun owners would claim they have something better to do, the libertarians would be up in arms that a law was behind it, and liberals would flee the country. nevertheless, this was the standard before the Civil War. Militias barely exist today, certainly not in any official capacity as they once did, and those private militias out in Montana, or wherever, are more like really obscure clubs to join. We're so far from what historically was acceptable for a militia that we might as well not even have a 2nd amendment today.

Switzerland is the only nation in the world that still has any sort of organized militia, and even it is not as organized as it once was (they train like, what, twice a year and it looks more like a community shooting competition, and afterwards they take their guns without bullets or magazines back home and put them in their closet for another 6 months). So one day, their militia will be gone as well.

Anti Globalist
03-27-2018, 04:23 PM
Whenever someone talks about gun control, I buy another box of ammo.

timosman
03-27-2018, 05:11 PM
Do these people realize we have been at war since 2001?:confused:

NorthCarolinaLiberty
03-27-2018, 06:32 PM
Let's be honest,

Yeah, I mostly agree with you on what has happened, but would you say poor application would negate the principle? For example, one fundamental right is self-defense. If I get lax or don't practice it however, then does that mean I lose the right to ever do it?





And the sad fact is, that if laws were passed at the state level making it mandatory for militias to organize and train for combat every other Saturday...99% of gun owners would claim they have something better to do,...


Hey man, I'm watching the Final Four this Saturday. :cool::p:D

nobody's_hero
03-28-2018, 06:07 AM
Yeah, I mostly agree with you on what has happened, but would you say poor application would negate the principle? For example, one fundamental right is self-defense. If I get lax or don't practice it however, then does that mean I lose the right to ever do it?

In theory, I would say no.

In practice? I would say, "use it or lose it." I think that applies to all rights, not just firearms. If you want to take away freedom, the easiest way to go about it is to make the people believe it is not important anymore, and after that you can take it without them even feeling as if they've lost anything.

kahless
03-28-2018, 12:03 PM
March for Our Lives participants mostly middle aged, educated women: Analysis
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/march-for-our-lives-participants-mostly-middle-aged-educated-women-analysis


The average profile of a marcher was a 49-year-old, college-educated woman.

Only 10 percent of those who participated in the March for Our Lives last weekend were under 18, despite many media reports focusing on the youth of the organizers.

dannno
03-28-2018, 12:09 PM
March for Our Lives participants mostly middle aged, educated women: Analysis
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/march-for-our-lives-participants-mostly-middle-aged-educated-women-analysis

49??

Lol.. where did they get that statistic?

https://independent.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/croppedphotos/2018/03/26/DSC_8500_t600_t958.jpg?fef15e12b784e9bbb22bf3f2924 819218cda3d1a

Anti Federalist
03-28-2018, 12:50 PM
Google Searches For ‘NRA Membership’ Spiked During March For Our Liveshttp://dailycaller.com/2018/03/26/google-search-for-nra-membership-spikes-during-march-for-our-lives/


Google Searches For ‘Buy AR-15’ Surge After ‘March For Our Lives’ Rallyhttps://www.infowars.com/google-searches-for-buy-ar-15-surge-after-march-for-our-lives-rally/

Donations to NRA's PAC tripled in Feb.



February Donations to NRA Tripled as Celebrities, Establishment Media Attacked

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/03/28/donations-nra-pac-pour-amid-attempts-parkland-activists/

by AWR HAWKINS 28 Mar 2018

Donations to the NRA’s political action committee in February surged to three times what they were in January as Parkland gun control activists and media outlets blamed the NRA for “gun violence.”

The NRA was denigrated during the February 21 CNN town hall, politicians like Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) were criticized for any affiliation with the organization, and celebrities responded to the February 14 Parkland school shooting by blaming the NRA.

The celebrities included Judd Apatow calling President Trump a “coward” for not cutting ties with the NRA, Mia Farrow tweeted names of Senators and House Members who received donations from the NRA, and Chelsea Handler tying Republicans and NRA together, accusing both of having “blood on [their] hands.”

It is now evident that Americans across the land responded to this criticism by pouring money into the NRA PAC. The Washington Free Beacon reports that the PAC received $779,063 in donations in February versus $247,985 in January.

Unitemized donations were $685,099.51 for the month of February. Itemized donations were $27,100 for the two weeks of February that preceded the Parkland shooting and $70,870 for the two weeks after.

Todd
03-28-2018, 01:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmGcB-z6F1A

Hmm....Like most people who have to/engage in backpeddling, I believe he was being more honest in the first place.

Raginfridus
03-28-2018, 04:10 PM
49??

Lol.. where did they get that statistic?

https://independent.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/croppedphotos/2018/03/26/DSC_8500_t600_t958.jpg?fef15e12b784e9bbb22bf3f2924 819218cda3d1a

Those brave kids.

Anti Globalist
03-28-2018, 07:52 PM
"Trump is literally Hitler."

"Good thing I have my AR-15."

"Oh stop it. You're just being paranoid."

AZJoe
03-29-2018, 02:52 AM
https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29594816_1426810664090694_2972279569388479976_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=8edb08c1c299f36129acbdb61c3d1f72&oe=5B372970

AZJoe
03-29-2018, 02:54 AM
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AZJoe
03-29-2018, 02:55 AM
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PAF
03-29-2018, 06:17 AM
https://youtu.be/203vwj6kvTE

Aratus
03-29-2018, 11:37 AM
ANTI FEDERALIST...

This thread got noticed.

POWERs THAT BEE...

Aratus
03-29-2018, 11:44 AM
For the people who always say militias are obsolete:


"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788


"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? [see link for complete quote]
--Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.


"The right [to bear arms] is general. It may be supposed from the phraseology of this provision that the right to keep and bear arms was only guaranteed to the militia; but this would be an interpretation not warranted by the intent. [See link for full quote]
-- Thomas M. Cooley, General Principles of Constitutional Law, Third Edition [1898]

More quotes at link http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/quotes/arms.html

....

kahless
03-29-2018, 11:54 AM
49??

Lol.. where did they get that statistic?

https://independent.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/croppedphotos/2018/03/26/DSC_8500_t600_t958.jpg?fef15e12b784e9bbb22bf3f2924 819218cda3d1a

I wonder how many are teachers, I suspect the majority with more older women being school teachers nearing retirement. Democrat women nearing retirement concerned about pensions and Social Security support all Democrat causes combine that with post menopause authoritarian tendencies. Factor that with average ignorant young women buying more easily authoritarian propaganda and you have your average at 49.

timosman
03-29-2018, 12:11 PM
ANTI FEDERALIST...

This thread got noticed.

POWERs THAT BEE...

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/megaman/images/5/5c/HaveSuBee.png

Aratus
03-29-2018, 12:17 PM
AF2
...???
FB had
Bernie ppl
in itz FBjail
this weekend...

EBounding
03-29-2018, 12:22 PM
979048679452454913

dannno
03-29-2018, 12:38 PM
Comment on bump stocks:

https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=ATF-2018-0001-35714


Comment Period Open for Bump Stockshttp://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?520863-Comment-Period-Open-for-Bump-Stocks

aGameOfThrones
03-29-2018, 12:44 PM
979048679452454913

https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.157811247.9029/ap,550x550,12x16,1,transparent,t.png

Swordsmyth
03-29-2018, 09:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8px4O7Lo9zQ

PursuePeace
03-29-2018, 09:37 PM
Video: "David Hogg says his attacks don't go far enough."


Actually he said: "No, I think it's not enough provoc."

Raginfridus
03-29-2018, 09:49 PM
Comment on bump stocks:

https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=ATF-2018-0001-35714


Comment Period Open for Bump Stockshttp://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?520863-Comment-Period-Open-for-Bump-Stockshttps://image.ibb.co/ejt5kS/20180329_234746.jpg

XNavyNuke
03-30-2018, 08:12 AM
Switzerland is the only nation in the world that still has any sort of organized militia, and even it is not as organized as it once was (they train like, what, twice a year and it looks more like a community shooting competition, and afterwards they take their guns without bullets or magazines back home and put them in their closet for another 6 months). So one day, their militia will be gone as well.

Another example of widespread ignorance of U.S. own history. From colonial times through the beginning of the 20th century, communities with some Swiss and/or German immigrants would have schuetzenfest. Think firemans picnics and homecomings that used to held on weekends everywhere from spring through fall. These were not merely shooting competitions but also swap meets and opportunities for gunsmiths to show off their latest innovations. They drove weapons technology forward. Up until WW1 it was likely the private gun owner had more advanced technology than the military.

XNN

charrob
03-30-2018, 10:38 AM
Another example of widespread ignorance of U.S. own history. From colonial times through the beginning of the 20th century, communities with some Swiss and/or German immigrants would have schuetzenfest. Think firemans picnics and homecomings that used to held on weekends everywhere from spring through fall. These were not merely shooting competitions but also swap meets and opportunities for gunsmiths to show off their latest innovations. They drove weapons technology forward. Up until WW1 it was likely the private gun owner had more advanced technology than the military.

XNN

Here's what a guy i've been arguing with states about militias and the second amendment:



That isn't the point of the 2nd Amendment especially when we have a standing army rather than a militia. Such a proposal allows all, including those who misuse weapons, to be armed with military weapons until the tragic fact of their actions.

BTW, Jefferson never said (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/thomas-jefferson-gun-quote/) that people should arm themselves in order to become the last line of defense against Federal tyranny. He simply said people should be able to arm themselves to defend themselves on their own property. The 2nd Amendment itself talked about the right to bear arms in the context of the Militia. However, the Militia would be under the President's command, supplied and trained from funds supplied by Congress, and was to defend the nation against criminals, insurrection, and invasions. That is in The Constitution.

And if you read Federalist #29 and #46, you will find that the political structure of relying on the Militia rather than the standing army is what protected the citizens from a tyrannical Federal government. It was not arming each citizen that did that.

And the question becomes, once we rely on a standing army rather than the Militia, how do we protect against Federal Tyranny? It can't be by arming ourselves with the same weapons--there are too many ways in which we can't afford that. We have to rely on finding new people and political parties to vote for and on the Courts as they hold to The Constitution.


I spent three weeks arguing with this guy about Russiagate. He is exhausting. :(

Swordsmyth
03-30-2018, 02:23 PM
In a series of tweets late Thursday evening hog went after Arby’s for their advertising on Ingraham’s show. Hogg went as far as to publish the private names and emails of executives at Arby’s to pressure them into pulling their advertisements.
http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/5abe46fc597c9319008b45e5-750-563.jpg The tweets have since been deleted but the screen grab above was captured by (http://www.businessinsider.com/david-hogg-targets-arbys-for-laura-ingraham-fox-news-ties-2018-3?utm_content=bufferf9fbc&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer-bi) Business Insider.


Multiple influential followers of Hogg followed suit, tweeting (https://twitter.com/shannoncoulter/status/979535977524879360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Fdav id-hogg-targets-arbys-for-laura-ingraham-fox-news-ties-2018-3) Arby’s executive board information.
There has been no official statement yet from Arby’s on the issue.

More at: http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/30/after-eviscerating-laura-ingrahams-advertisers-david-hogg-has-a-new-target-a-fast-food-chain/

FSP-Rebel
03-30-2018, 03:25 PM
979801544458567680

Aratus
03-30-2018, 03:28 PM
Comment on bump stocks:

https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=ATF-2018-0001-35714


Comment Period Open for Bump Stockshttp://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?520863-Comment-Period-Open-for-Bump-Stocks

bump

dannno
03-30-2018, 03:39 PM
979801544458567680

Obvious photoshop, those arms are like 10 times thicker than David Hogg's arms..

https://153news.net/files/thumbs/2018/03/01/1519940108b6a86-768x432-1.jpg

aGameOfThrones
03-30-2018, 06:39 PM
Here's what a guy i've been arguing with states about militias and the second amendment:



I spent three weeks arguing with this guy about Russiagate. He is exhausting. :(


I just read that...

https://media.giphy.com/media/yjJS8xEdRLoAM/giphy.gif

milgram
03-30-2018, 07:08 PM
David Hogg's reddit account

https://www.reddit.com/user/davisgreen111

https://i.imgur.com/KMggePU.jpg

https://8ch.net/cow/res/391751.html
https://8ch.net/tv/res/1243207.html

https://media.8ch.net/file_store/ccf16111005caaf8760d73bc50958b6cf109f7242ba3d60526 89398117b16e6d.png
https://media.8ch.net/file_store/027cf955dadff3604d12f44a5fa9cabcdc1ab95e9c948f714e 00bde81effa942.jpg
https://media.8ch.net/file_store/3320798cbb54c728ca3d22a9f7d016aa42b1c8c5a9878491d8 56c12214b8b1e8.jpg
https://media.8ch.net/file_store/a5ef5ed2e7c9b5ca496efe5a25149102cb4f671251227427c2 c17170873ffa5c.jpg
https://media.8ch.net/file_store/f258424536750e55f9e029424afb0e149d17d9dff21ad5aded b0ce23186470c0.png
https://media.8ch.net/file_store/4c64504090a65f9c82e573ced18e28cab2cc78fc5434bd0eea 954e0af196df8e.jpg

pcosmar
03-30-2018, 07:20 PM
https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29543166_2000167366977792_4091908317169272924_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeH-LqfG7MjjlRltyd9uNMxxozE0om2FSmmLHVfxel-uW2o-8kdrVQrrYDPtceh8pDbrnSO9F-wvlYHGN_p2rrKlFo6sLs5eck5Jjn2cz7JtHg&oh=081173cbdd4415c2c02b52c8e622efb3&oe=5B360936

I am using that.

Swordsmyth
03-30-2018, 07:23 PM
David Hogg's reddit account

https://www.reddit.com/user/davisgreen111

https://i.imgur.com/KMggePU.jpg

https://8ch.net/cow/res/391751.html

https://media.8ch.net/file_store/ccf16111005caaf8760d73bc50958b6cf109f7242ba3d60526 89398117b16e6d.png
https://media.8ch.net/file_store/027cf955dadff3604d12f44a5fa9cabcdc1ab95e9c948f714e 00bde81effa942.jpg
https://media.8ch.net/file_store/3320798cbb54c728ca3d22a9f7d016aa42b1c8c5a9878491d8 56c12214b8b1e8.jpg
https://media.8ch.net/file_store/a5ef5ed2e7c9b5ca496efe5a25149102cb4f671251227427c2 c17170873ffa5c.jpg
https://media.8ch.net/file_store/f258424536750e55f9e029424afb0e149d17d9dff21ad5aded b0ce23186470c0.png

Is he the real shooter?

NorthCarolinaLiberty
03-30-2018, 07:27 PM
Here's what a guy i've been arguing with states about militias and the second amendment:



BTW, Jefferson never said that people should arm themselves in order to become the last line of defense against Federal tyranny. He simply said people should be able to arm themselves to defend themselves on their own property.



I spent three weeks arguing with this guy about Russiagate. He is exhausting. :(


Jefferson was "simply" talking about property? Seems to me Jefferson was talking about government and a lot of other things. Here's some other quotes.



“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.”
– Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

“I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.”
– Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

“What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.”
– Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

“The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes…. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
– Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

“A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785

“The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.”
– Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

“On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed.”
– Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823

“I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence … I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy.”
– Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778

"the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants."
--Extract from Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith
Paris Nov. 13. 1787.



http://tjrs.monticello.org/archive/search/quotes

charrob
03-31-2018, 04:34 PM
Jefferson was "simply" talking about property? Seems to me Jefferson was talking about government and a lot of other things. Here's some other quotes.



“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.”
– Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

“I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.”
– Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

“What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.”
– Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

“The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes…. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
– Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

“A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785

“The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.”
– Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

“On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed.”
– Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823

“I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence … I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy.”
– Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778

"the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants."
--Extract from Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith
Paris Nov. 13. 1787.



http://tjrs.monticello.org/archive/search/quotes


NorthCarolinaLiberty, thank you so much for sharing this. I wish i could rep+ you a thousand times over; one of the reasons I love this forum is because people here are so well read and I always learn when i come here. I copied/pasted these quotes last night when I saw them on your post right before going to sleep hoping they might open this guy's eyes a bit. I just looked to see if there was a response: the result is good and bad. He still is arguing against the second amendment however at least now he is not saying Thomas Jefferson was opposed to individuals carrying their arms off their property: so i think your post has definitely helped on that end!

Here are his more recent posts. I've responded to each one but, apparently, he remains unconvinced:



There is something else we should note about The Constitution, it was not written to limit federal power, but to expand it. It was written in response to widespread dissent and Shays Rebellion. In fact, when discussing the length of a Senator's term, Jame Madison argued that it should be long enough to make Senators somewhat invulnerable to popular opinion.

IN addition, during the discussions on what Senators could do, Madison expressed his dismay at elections in England being opened to all classes of people because such could bring agrarian reform.

We have a standing army instead of a Militia now. But to arm civilians with the same weapons as the military would put all of us at risk of our fellow citizens. As technology makes the individual more powerful, it also makes the individual more vulnerable.

The way to battle Federal tyranny is through peaceful non-cooperation and reliance on the courts.




Look at history. Because of The Constitution, the Federal government could better respond to rebellions like Shays Rebellion. It could not beforehand.

There is nothing astonishing in my claim. Just follow the Constitution as it talks about the Militia. Federal power is expanded, not diminished by The Constitution. Just look at the 2nd Amendment. It is written in the context of maintaining a well-regulated militia. But that Militia is put under the command of the President with one of its purposes being to put down insurrections. Or look at the Constitutional debates, especially about eh Senate. There, Madison argued that the Senate must be protected from popular opinion.

Yes, governments are responsible for a lot of deaths. But trying to arm yourself like the military does invites the kind of attention from government that increases the chances that you become part of the stats you're citing. You simply can't compete with the government in armament nor should you. Those who wrote The Constitution could not see how technology makes the individual both more powerful and more vulnerable. And comparing that to the internet and the first Amendment does not employ a good comparison for your argument. Tell me how free speech exercised on the internet poses the same danger to others as someone who owns his/her own RPG, Bazooka, Tank, Fighter Jet, Missile or bomb, and I won't even include any nuclear weapons to give you a sporting chance.




I read what you wrote, but the same person who wrote The Constitution wrote the Bill of Rights along with Federalist #46 and his fellow Federalist wrote Federalist #29. Along with the fact that the Bill of Rights is based on Virginia's Declaration of Rights. So those documents come into play when trying to interpret what the 2nd Amendment means.

And, btw, that the Militia is mentioned in the 2nd Amendment means that the military is mentioned in the Bill of Rights.

Finally, I don't care if you think this is going in circles. What I care about is that we not only read The Constitution and the Bill of Rights, we read the other pertinent documents that provide the context for The Constitution and the Bill of Rights so we can better understand them.



I've always understood that the Bill of Rights were rights given by our Creator which cannot be taken away by government and by which our government was responsible for protecting. That the Bill of Rights have nothing to do with government rights or the enumerated powers... that they were beyond the enumerated powers and created for an even greater check to prevent government tyranny. These are rights for the people and individuals, not the government. The military is part of the common defense within the enumerated powers. However "Curt" argues that the militia mentioned in the second amendment is the federal military. I've explained to him my understanding as written in this paragraph, that the militia mentioned in the second amendment is not the federal military and that this is supported by the following in Federalist #46:



" Extravagant as the supposition is, let it however be made. Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men."

"To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it."

Federalist 46



Unfortunately my argument seems unable to convince him. Not sure anything else can be said.

aGameOfThrones
03-31-2018, 09:14 PM
The way to battle Federal tyranny is through peaceful non-cooperation and reliance on the courts.


http://semperfiparents.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/490.jpg

seapilot
03-31-2018, 10:55 PM
Unfortunately my argument seems unable to convince him. Not sure anything else can be said.

He argues like a Big Government Statist.


We have a standing army instead of a Militia now. But to arm civilians with the same weapons as the military would put all of us at risk of our fellow

citizens

Weapons most civilians have are not in the same class as weapons of the Military. What is the risk? Is it greater than Democide that millions have died at the hands of their own governments? To think it cant happen here is arrogant and not founded in history. People being armed is a check on government power.


As technology makes the individual more powerful, it also makes the individual more vulnerable.


As the government becomes more powerful it makes the individual more vulnerable.So to make individuals less vulnerable he wants to make the government more powerful. That always works out great. The technology is available to all individuals to make them less vulnerable, unless the government denies them the technology or makes them a criminal.


The way to battle Federal tyranny is through peaceful non-cooperation and reliance on the courts.

Tyranny is rule of man or a small group of men. Courts only work for everyone when there is rule of law. An unarmed populace makes it very easy and will pave the way for rule of men.


But trying to arm yourself like the military does invites the kind of attention from government that increases the chances that you become part of the stats you're citing.

Only if that individual violates another's right to life, liberty or property. Otherwise an honest government of the people by the people it serves should not be concerned.


You simply can't compete with the government in armament nor should you. Those who wrote The Constitution could not see how technology makes the individual both more powerful and more vulnerable.

They saw that the biggest threat to the individual is the state. That is still true today. The tools are more advanced because the state has more advanced weapons as well. What the government has in superior technology is checked by the people's self defense tools in overwhelming numbers, all over the entire country.

AuH20
04-01-2018, 10:43 AM
Several months prior?!?!?!!?

https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/screen-shot-2018-03-31-at-11-47-12-pm.png?w=500&h=295

timosman
04-01-2018, 12:31 PM
Several months prior?!?!?!!?

Yup, a lot of things had to be lined up. Some up them didn't. The most important thing is we did it!:cool:

Swordsmyth
04-01-2018, 01:17 PM
Several months prior?!?!?!!?

https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/screen-shot-2018-03-31-at-11-47-12-pm.png?w=500&h=295

Good catch.

Swordsmyth
04-01-2018, 02:48 PM
In a 2017 Reddit post, ‘March For Our Lives’ gun control activist David Hogg celebrates the fact that mosquitoes kill “billions” of people as being “great for the environment”.
Another user on the site asked the question, “What is a positive reason for mosquitoes to exist?” to which Hogg responded (https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/6nx6wd/what_is_a_positive_reason_for_mosquitoes_to_exist/dkcwtnu/), “They kill humans, billions of them, which is great for the environment.” The post was made eight months ago.
https://hw.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/310318hogg1.png
Although the entry was posted under the pseudonym ‘davisgreen111’, the account almost certainly belongs to Hogg. The poster refers to himself as “David Hogg” in one post (https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/6rzooj/lifeguard_goes_on_massive_powertrip_on_17_yo_and/dl94vht/) and another post (https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/6rzooj/lifeguard_goes_on_massive_powertrip_on_17_yo_and/) links to a video from Hogg’s personal YouTube channel. Another post (https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/6p8slt/redditors_of_the_world_what_is_your_citytown/dkngj90/) confirms that he lives in Parkland, Florida.
https://hw.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/310318hogg2.png
Another post (https://www.reddit.com/r/Parkinsons/comments/5ped57/my_dad_was_just_diagnosed_with_lewy_body_dementia/dcr43qn/) also links to a story about Hogg’s father, former FBI agent Kevin Hogg. In another post (https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/6p3hd1/what_is_your_most_vivid_memory_of_91101serious/dkm9x8x/), ‘davisgreen111’ makes reference to his dad being an FBI agent.
According to the World Health Organization (https://adventure.howstuffworks.com/dangerous-animals1.htm), mosquito bites result in the deaths of more than one million people every year. There are 300-500 million cases of malaria every year and a child dies from malaria every 30 seconds.
The Reddit post conflicts with Hogg’s public image as somebody who cares about saving lives. Some would also construe the remark as racist given that mosquito-related deaths disproportionately affect non-white people living in poor third world countries.

More at: https://www.infowars.com/david-hogg-reddit-post-celebrates-mosquitoes-killing-billions-of-humans/

Swordsmyth
04-01-2018, 02:56 PM
Ohio Governor John Kasich used his appearance on CNN’s “State of the Union” program on March 23 to jump on the media-led, juvenile-exploiting, gun-control bandwagon known as “March for Our Lives.” Like Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham, John Kasich is the kind of Republican CNN can be counted on to get behind. And the purpose of this particular CNN program with Kasich was to do precisely that: to promote his 2020 presidential race. Although Kasich has not formally announced, he’s clearly setting things in motion for it. The CNN piece opened by showing the cover of The Weekly Standard for March 23, 2018, which features a portrait of Kasich with the headline, “Party of One.” The Weekly Standard, together with National Review, provides the main voices in the Never-Trump chorus of the neoconservative Politburo (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/3537-faux-conservatism) that has been leading the Republican Party and the conservative movement down the Judas goat path toward ever bigger government since the beginning of the Cold War.

The CNN host began by noting with approval the huge crowds of youths participating in the March for Our Lives rallies across the country, in response to the deadly high school shooting in Parkland, Florida, on February 14. She asked Kasich if this should make Republicans worried that they will be facing a severe backlash at the polls in 2018 unless they pass “stricter gun control” laws.
Kasich jumped at the opportunity to link arms with the NRA-bashing, Second Amendment-trashing, anti-gun activists, urging them to “keep it up,” to “keep the pressure on,” to hold the politicians “accountable at the ballot box.” The kind of “accountability” he appears to be endorsing would, of course, tend to help Democratic candidates of the Obama-Clinton-Sanders-Schumer-Pelosi brand, rather than Kasich’s fellow Republicans.
“I think there’s three kinds of people who are involved in this gun debate,” Kasich said. “Those that want no changes on guns, and believe me they’re there and they’re strong, and those people that think there should be significant changes even while we protect the Second Amendment, and the third group is a bunch of politicians who are afraid of their own shadows.”
Then, sounding like a star-struck tweenybopper, the Ohio governor gushed: “The key is these young people followed by so many other people — Paul McCartney was at one of these rallies, Lady Gaga — I wish I could have met her. The fact of the matter is it’s a massive effort here and it reminds me of some of the protests that have changed the people in office.”
“But they have to keep it up,” Kasich continued. “If they don’t keep it up, those that want no change will just sit on their hands. They will never come out and say anything. They will just try to stall, stall, stall until the steam comes out of the kettle. The fact is if we can keep the pressure on we’re not going to change everything overnight, but you can get significant change, and I hope so. And if they do not, if they do not bring about change, I think people should be held absolutely accountable at the ballot box and no question about it.”

More at: https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/28639-conservative-gov-kasich-praises-anti-gun-march-gets-liberal-neocon-boost-for-2020-white-house-bid

Danke
04-01-2018, 03:19 PM
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=cbEsRGzH7uI (https://redirector.googlevideo.com/videoplayback?ms=au,rdu&fvip=3&mv=m&source=youtube&lmt=1522252203297360&key=yt6&ip=107.178.195.159&c=WEB&mime=video/mp4&id=o-AN5jyMMifTKpKPyeit-bp70fIR3Z4cgSez0iSLUKC3cv&dur=127.384&mm=31,29&signature=6E23F874AE80C270BD50AE8ED2D4AD692C6FC825 .2EE7EBB8864CEDEEA445E132260F1A6A9707331B&itag=22&mt=1522614896&requiressl=yes&mn=sn-vgqskn76,sn-qxoedn7z&ei=w0LBWpC1KMe2DZ7_jcAF&ipbits=0&sparams=dur,ei,id,ip,ipbits,itag,lmt,mime,mm,mn,ms ,mv,pl,ratebypass,requiressl,source,expire&expire=1522636579&pl=28&ratebypass=yes&utmg=ytap1,,hd720)

NorthCarolinaLiberty
04-02-2018, 06:56 AM
NorthCarolinaLiberty, thank you so much for sharing this. I wish i could rep+ you a thousand times over; one of the reasons I love this forum is because people here are so well read and I always learn when i come here.
Thanks for the compliment, Charrob. Yes, I also come here because I learn so much. I've really changed my perspective since 2010.
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Here are his more recent posts. I've responded to each one but, apparently, he remains unconvinced:

I think seapilot's response is good. Also, I will just respond to two things he said, and then I need to get back to work. He said, "Those who wrote The Constitution could not see how technology makes the individual both more powerful and more vulnerable."

I think this is just another angle of the arrogant and democracy promoting people who ignore republic[an] values and want to promote the US Constitution as a "living and breathing document." It's ridiculous of him to assert that the founders had limited foresight of technology. The founders had technological context, including the inventions of the printing press, gunpowder, steam engine, electricity, etc. You could go back even further and discuss things like the wheel, writing, glass, paper, language, etc.


He also said, "The way to battle Federal tyranny is through peaceful non-cooperation and reliance on the courts."

And what happens when that non-cooperation is no longer peaceful and becomes conflict? That is exactly what the founders battled.


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His singular claim that the constitution was designed to expand government is one sided. Some founders wanted consolidation, but also saw a strong need to limit federal power. And, of course, many did not even sign the constitution. Perhaps most famous are Patrick Henry, George Mason, and Richard Henry Lee.

The founders would probably have been aghast by the expansion of federal government. Most noteworthy is McCulloch v. Maryland, which paved the way for expansion by turning federal enumerated powers into implied powers. This lead to the travesties of the interstate commerce clause, the spending clause, the taxation clause, and the 14th amendment.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
04-02-2018, 10:51 AM
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Okay, a couple more. He said, "Tell me how free speech exercised on the internet poses the same danger to others as someone who owns his/her own RPG, Bazooka, Tank, Fighter Jet, Missile or bomb, and I won't even include any nuclear weapons to give you a sporting chance."

If I want to do some damage on a practical level, then I certainly don't attempt to acquire a fighter jet. I can be more practically effective with a rifle. Hell, I take a book of matches and some gasoline over a jet.

The anti-gun/anti-self-defense arguments about such hi tech weapons are nothing but a red herring. Ask him about how it was practical for a Washington DC resident to be required (by law) dismantle a shotgun in his own home.



And, btw, that the Militia is mentioned in the 2nd Amendment means that the military is mentioned in the Bill of Rights.


No, the word "military" appears nowhere in the Bill of Rights. You don't get to make up things.

AZJoe
04-12-2018, 09:03 AM
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