BREAKING: Trump To Appoint John Bolton as National Security Advisor [Archive]

Zippyjuan

03-22-2018, 04:41 PM

From just last week (March 16th):

If Trump says he won't fire you, better watch out.

White House says Trump won't fire national security adviser H.R. McMaster

The White House late Thursday disputed a report that President Trump has decided to oust his national security adviser, H.R. McMaster.

McMaster, a three star Army general, has faced criticism from Trump loyalists who believe his views on Iran, North Korea and other key foreign policy theaters are at odds with Trump's. The Washington Post reported Trump is "now comfortable" with removing McMaster, although his departure may not be imminent.

But White House press secretary Sarah Sanders pushed back on the suggestion that McMaster would be replaced, thus becoming the second national security adviser fired by Trump after Michael Flynn was dismissed for lying to the vice president and the FBI.

"Just spoke to @POTUS and Gen. H.R. McMaster - contrary to reports they have a good working relationship and there are no changes at the NSC," she tweeted.

Trump fired Secretary of State Rex Tillerson on Tuesday after a 14-month tenure, signaling that a shake-up at the top levels of his administration was not over.

Raginfridus

03-22-2018, 04:47 PM

This is all-in MAGA. Bolton is only a pawn in a much, much deeper game against the Swamp.

oyarde

03-22-2018, 04:47 PM

From just last week (March 16th):

If Trump says he won't fire you, better watch out.

Does anyone honestly think he knows what he will do a week later ? Same would be true if he lost and evil Clinton won , or crazy ass Johnson for that matter . You need to get out there next time and get us some better candidates Zip .

Zippyjuan

03-22-2018, 04:50 PM

Those hoping Trump replacement hires would be any better than the ones he already had have been disappointed a lot lately.

GunnyFreedom

03-22-2018, 04:51 PM

smdh

Anti Globalist

03-22-2018, 04:57 PM

So that's why Trump had a conversation with him after he won the election. He must have told him that he would hire him a year into his presidency.

Dr.3D

03-22-2018, 04:58 PM

Somehow, I'm starting to think, most of his appointments are a joke. I mean, he did appoint a fellow as head of the department of energy who not so long ago, couldn't remember he wanted to eliminate that department.

Zippyjuan

03-22-2018, 05:04 PM

The chaos continues.

Trump administration departures in the last month:

- Spokesman Josh Raffel
- Communications Director Hope Hicks
- Top Economic Adviser Gary Cohn
- Personal Aide John McEntee
- Secretary of State Rex Tillerson
- Attorney John Dowd
- National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster

https://twitter.com/danmericaCNN/status/976954664498311169

Raginfridus

03-22-2018, 05:06 PM

The rate is fine, if only wouldn't replace them.

r3volution 3.0

03-22-2018, 05:07 PM

goldenequity

03-22-2018, 05:08 PM

Michael Bolton Screws up the Anthem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZrK_kOk8Lw

:D

fcreature

03-22-2018, 05:10 PM

I'm very impressed with all the swamp draining going on lately.

phill4paul

03-22-2018, 05:12 PM

smdh

x2

Anti-Neocon

03-22-2018, 05:17 PM

I wonder what the dannno spin will be on this one. "Trump has to pick someone that neocons will approve of in order to get them to swallow his anti-war policy."

Rothbardian Girl

03-22-2018, 05:18 PM

LMAO

It’s been nice knowing you all.

Zippyjuan

03-22-2018, 05:21 PM

If I recall correctly, the narrative for many months around here and elsewhere in the Trumpverse has been that McMaster has been the warmonger-behind-the-throne and Trump would soon be rid of him (nevermind why he hired him in the first place...) and we'd be out of the Mid-East faster than you can say MAGA. Well, now I guess Bolton will fill the Rasputin role and we'll be assured that the next appointment will be Ron Paul (or the next, or the next...). Anyway, don't worry about it; we have elections coming up, against the evil, warmongering Dems, and we must stay the course.

Leaves Kelly as the only "grown-up" left. Is he next?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/22/hr-mcmaster-will-resign-as-trumps-national-security-advisor-and-will-be-replaced-by-john-bolton-nyt-citing-sources.html

Along with Cohn and Tillerson, McMaster was considered a more moderate voice in the White House who restrained the president's impulses. Bolton, 69, has not only taken a hawkish stance on North Korea but also advocated for scrapping the Iran nuclear deal.

McMaster will become the second national security advisor to leave the job since Trump took office last year. He had the task of advising a president who often tweets unfiltered thoughts about delicate national security situations such as North Korea's weapons program and the Iran nuclear deal.

Was this the straw which broke the camel's (McMaster's) back?

McMaster drew Trump's ire last month by saying the evidence that Russia meddled in the 2016 U.S. election is "incontrovertible," following more than a dozen indictments from special counsel Robert Mueller's office. Trump lashed out at McMaster in a late-night Twitter post last month.

Zippyjuan

03-22-2018, 05:25 PM

https://splinternews.com/trump-decides-to-fire-john-kelly-later-1823834551

Trump Decides to Fire John Kelly Later

As the bloodletting at the White House continues, a brief moment of mercy: President Donald Trump and his chief of staff, John Kelly, have agreed to a “truce,” the Wall Street Journal reports.

Rumors abounded that Kelly would be swept up in the mass purge of the already hobbled Trump administration—just this week saw Secretary of State Rex Tillerson being felled by tweet, with word that National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster is not long for the White House either.

And reports have been swirling that more members of Trump’s Cabinet—including VA Secretary David Shulkin, HUD Secretary Ben Carson, EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt, Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke, and Attorney General Jeff Sessions—should not get too comfortable in the jobs they are terrible at doing.

But it would appear Kelly has managed to secure an extended stay at chez Trump. From the Journal:

But on Thursday, Messrs. Trump and Kelly had a productive meeting that left both men reassured. Mr. Trump told advisers afterward that Mr. Kelly was “100% safe.” Mr. Kelly told his associates that, at least for the moment, he and the president had patched things up. “I’m in,” Mr. Kelly told staff.

He’s in! Or, he’s in? Because the sources who blabbed to the Journal also made sure to appropriately hedge their bets:

The back-and-forth between Mr. Trump and the chief of staff suggested that the easing of tensions may be more of a temporary detente than a ironclad peace agreement. The president and Mr. Kelly are well known around the White House for engaging in tense arguments, and Mr. Trump has made repeated public comments that manage to both underscore his satisfaction with Mr. Kelly, while also raising doubts about how long the two will continue to work together.

Sources close to the president told the Associated Press this week that as Trump enjoyed his daily ritual of watching cable new, feeding on the chaos he’s created, he laughed and said: “Who’s next?”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0mO6UY6uTg

Vieux Canard

03-22-2018, 05:28 PM

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Trita Parsi
Phone: 202-386-2303 (tel:(202)%20386-2303)
Email: tparsi@niacouncil.org

With Bolton Pick, Trump is Assembling an Iran War Cabinet (https://niacouncil.us8.list-manage.com/track/click?u=ec0d04df4f6d2288f04feee31&id=d90fb1a085&e=de1f9252f3)Washington, DC - Trita Parsi, President of the National Iranian American Council, issued the following statement regarding the appointment of John Bolton as National Security Advisor:

“Donald Trump may have just effectively declared war on Iran. With the appointment of John Bolton, and nomination of Mike Pompeo at State, Trump is clearly putting together a war cabinet. As the world awaits Trump’s May 12 decision as to whether he will abandon the Iran nuclear deal, all of the signs now point to a decision to move to war footing.
“Bolton is an unhinged advocate for waging World War III. He has explicitly called for bombing Iran for the past ten years and has suggested the U.S. engage in nuclear first strikes in North Korea. Bolton’s first order of business will be to convince Trump to exit the Iran nuclear deal and lay the groundwork for the war he has urged over the past decade. Additionally, he has has called (https://niacouncil.us8.list-manage.com/track/click?u=ec0d04df4f6d2288f04feee31&id=4062e8a514&e=de1f9252f3) for ending all visas for Iranians, shipping bunker busting weapons to Israel, and supporting the Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK) terrorist organization and other separatist groups inside of Iran. The Iranian-American community and our pro-peace, pro-human rights allies will organize to stop Bolton’s plans from becoming a reality.
“Congress must do everything in its power to convince Trump to reconsider this decision and exert maximal pressure to constrain Bolton’s ability to impose irreparable harm to the U.S. and global security. To begin with, the Senate must block Mike Pompeo from becoming Secretary of State.
"Bolton now represents the greatest threat to the United States. This is a dangerous time for our country and a slap in the face even to Trump’s supporters who thought he would break from waging disastrous foreign wars and military occupations.“Bolton was a key player in the march to the disastrous war in Iraq that Trump has criticized as a major foreign policy blunder. He famously demonstrated that he was a ‘kiss-up, kick-down sorta guy’ who dismissed intelligence on Iraq’s WMD program that didn’t fit his predetermined policy preference. The fact that one of Trump’s key advisers is likely to stroke the President’s ego while blocking key intelligence or intimidating any objective analysts that might be underneath him is of deep concern. Of further concern, Bolton fails to acknowledge that the Iraq war was a mistake and only regrets that the Bush administration didn’t overthrow more countries while it was in office.
“Bolton’s ties to the cultish MEK should also immediately disqualify him. Bolton routinely meets with and accepts payments from the group - which has murdered Iranians and American service members alike and is deeply unpopular among ordinary Iranians. Yet, Bolton sees this illegitimate group that commits human rights abuses (https://niacouncil.us8.list-manage.com/track/click?u=ec0d04df4f6d2288f04feee31&id=52a5a62588&e=de1f9252f3) against its own members as a ‘viable opposition (https://niacouncil.us8.list-manage.com/track/click?u=ec0d04df4f6d2288f04feee31&id=94ba3b2565&e=de1f9252f3)’ that he wants to use to overthrow the Iranian government (https://niacouncil.us8.list-manage.com/track/click?u=ec0d04df4f6d2288f04feee31&id=972bd2eae6&e=de1f9252f3). Bolton promised an MEK crowd last July, before 2019, we here will celebrate in Tehran!’”

oyarde

03-22-2018, 05:30 PM

You guys can laugh now , secretly though most of you will have to vote trump next time . Dems will nominate Stalin /Mao / Gore /Kerry /Obama /Biden /Clinton . Pubs nominate trump and libertarians probably get a washed up Dem congressman or something out of the dumpster.

ILUVRP

03-22-2018, 05:33 PM

i would not let bolton wash my car , next trump will have wolfowitz and perle advising him .

Raginfridus

03-22-2018, 05:34 PM

https://splinternews.com/trump-decides-to-fire-john-kelly-later-1823834551You've got it twisted zipper. The firing is good, the replacements are bad.

Zippyjuan

03-22-2018, 05:37 PM

You've got it twisted zipper. The firing is good, the replacements are bad.

Not if they make things even worse.

Anti Globalist

03-22-2018, 05:41 PM

I wonder what Alex Jones will say on this.

Raginfridus

03-22-2018, 05:43 PM

Firing his entire cabinet would be nice, but he replaces them with horrible people, instead of leaving them vacant. He doesn't need John the Bomber Bolton's advice, if he gets it free on FAUX.

r3volution 3.0

03-22-2018, 05:49 PM

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-a-john-bolton-appointment-is-scarier-than-you-think-mcmaster-trump/

Bolton is no ordinary neoconservative hawk. He has been obsessed for many years with going to war against the Islamic Republic, calling repeatedly for bombing Iran in his regular appearances on Fox News, without the slightest indication that he understands the consequences of such a policy. His is not merely a rhetorical stance: Bolton actively conspired during his tenure as the Bush administration’s policymaker on Iran from 2002 through 2004 to establish the political conditions necessary for the administration to carry out military action.

More than anyone else inside or outside the Trump administration, Bolton has already influenced Trump to tear up the Iran nuclear deal. Bolton parlayed his connection with the primary financier behind both Benjamin Netanyahu and Donald Trump himself—the militantly Zionist casino magnate Sheldon Adelson—to get Trump’s ear last October, just as the president was preparing to announce his policy on the Iran nuclear agreement, the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA). He spoke with Trump by phone from Las Vegas after meeting with Adelson (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/13/nikki-haley-trump-iran-whisperer-243772).

It was Bolton who persuaded Trump (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/13/nikki-haley-trump-iran-whisperer-243772) to commit to specific language pledging to pull out of the JCPOA if Congress and America’s European allies did not go along with demands for major changes that were clearly calculated to ensure the deal would fall apart.

...

Despite the fact that Bolton was technically under the supervision of Secretary of State Colin Powell, his actual boss in devising and carrying out that strategy was Vice President Dick Cheney. Bolton was also the administration’s main point of contact with the Israeli government, and with Cheney’s backing, he was able to flout normal State Department rules (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/29/world/americas/bolton-flouted-agencys-rules-officials-say.html) by taking a series of trips to Israel in 2003 and 2004 without having the required clearance from the State Department’s Bureau for Near Eastern Affairs.

Thus, at the very moment that Powell was saying administration policy was not to attack Iran, Bolton was working with the Israelis to lay the groundwork for just such a war. During a February 2003 visit, Bolton assured Israeli officials in private meetings (https://www.haaretz.com/1.4904696) that he had no doubt the United States would attack Iraq, and that after taking down Saddam, it would deal with Iran, too, as well as Syria.

During multiple trips to Israel, Bolton had unannounced meetings, including with the head of Mossad, (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/29/world/americas/bolton-flouted-agencys-rules-officials-say.html) Meir Dagan, without the usual reporting cable to the secretary of state and other relevant offices. Judging from that report on an early Bolton visit, those meetings clearly dealt with a joint strategy on how to bring about political conditions for an eventual U.S. strike against Iran.

Mossad played a very aggressive role in influencing world opinion on the Iranian nuclear program. In the summer of 2003, according to journalists Douglas Frantz and Catherine Collins in their book The Nuclear Jihadist (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000YIC47A/ref=nav_timeline_asin?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1), Meir Dagan created a new Mossad office tasked with briefing the world’s press on alleged Iranian efforts to achieve a nuclear weapons capability. The new unit’s responsibilities included circulating documents from inside Iran as well from outside, according to Frantz and Collins.

Bolton’s role in a joint U.S.-Israeli strategy, as he outlines in his own 2007 memoir (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000W912MO/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1), was to ensure that the Iran nuclear issue would be moved out of the International Atomic Energy Agency and into the United Nations Security Council. He was determined to prevent IAEA director general Mohamed ElBaradei from reaching an agreement with Iran that would make it more difficult for the Bush administration to demonize Tehran as posing a nuclear weapons threat. Bolton began accusing Iran of having a covert nuclear weapons program in mid-2003, but encountered resistance not only from ElBaradei and non-aligned states, but from Britain, France, and Germany as well.

Bolton’s strategy was based on the claim that Iran was hiding its military nuclear program from the IAEA, and in early 2004, he came up with a dramatic propaganda ploy: he sent a set of satellite images to the IAEA showing sites at the Iranian military reservation at Parchin that he claimed were being used for tests to simulate nuclear weapons. Bolton demanded that the IAEA request access to inspect those sites and leaked his demand to the Associated Press in September 2004. In fact, the satellite images showed nothing more than bunkers and buildings for conventional explosives testing.

Continue Reading (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-a-john-bolton-appointment-is-scarier-than-you-think-mcmaster-trump/) (lengthy article)

Marenco

03-22-2018, 06:02 PM

http://emelin.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/strangelove-featured.jpg

Raginfridus

03-22-2018, 06:06 PM

That's all well and good, but the Iran treaty - not just some "deal" - was a multilateral treaty...

Unfortunately, with Europe occupied by invaders and nationalist movements, maintaining the treaty has fallen to the wayside. At least, there is NO mention in US news of the (G8?) Europeans who signed the treaty with us. As long as they are divided, the neocons are strong in the middle east - which inevitably means MORE refugees are on their way, as USG destroy more civilization.

CaptUSA

03-22-2018, 06:07 PM

Paging dannno

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enhanced_deficit

03-22-2018, 06:18 PM

Netanyahu ally Adelson wanted McMaster out because of his "anti Israel" views and he is out (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?520425-Netanyahu-ally-Adelson-wanted-McMaster-out-because-of-his-quot-anti-Israel-quot-views-and-he-is-out&)

Why Adelson is backing the campaign against McMaster

Amir Tibon (Washington)
Nov 20, 2017

It should be noted that in August, gambling tycoon Sheldon Adelson, one of the largest donors to Trump and the Republican Party, and a strong supporter of Israel's right-wing, also mentioned a conversation he had with Catz about her meeting with McMaster.

Adelson wrote an email on that subject to Mort Klein, the president of the Zionist Organization of America, one of the most right-wing groups in the U.S. Jewish community. In that email, Adelson told Klein that he supports a campaign launched by ZOA calling for McMaster's resignation (https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.807956), due to his positions regarding Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank, the Iran nuclear deal and other Middle East policy issues.
Adelson explained that he was at first skeptical about ZOA's campaign against McMaster, but had changed his mind after speaking to Safra Catz. The conversation with Catz, Adelson wrote, "enlightened me quite a bit." He added that following his conversation with Catz, "I now support your effort" to get McMaster out of the White House.

Related

http://truthfeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/BOLTON-OBAMA-01-800x416.jpg

Neocons: Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran - Huffington Post
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-ro..._b_631776.html (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-rosenberg/neocons-bomb-bomb-bomb-bo_b_631776.html)
But they are still around and still pushing for a war with Iran, which they want even more than the last one. Everywhere you look there's Elliot Abrams, Richard Perle, John Bolton, John Podhoretz, Douglas Feith, Danielle Pletka, The Washington Post editorial page, Frank Gaffney, Charles Krauthammer, Max Boot..

Prediction: MSNBC will call NSA departure news timing a "distraction news" ahead of Stormy Daniels CBS Sunday interview (actually MJ's Mika had sort of predicted some major firing few days ago, but there are still 3 days to Sunday, so might not be as strong argument)

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSadYTRUpDbP7rMFuVsJtf13wntahW9w vHGxMrWgahQA78aSUp-SgetqsHjv6fg9lE8tbvyQwnjfA (http://www.bizpacreview.com/2018/03/17/boobs-on-the-brain-msnbc-host-blames-porn-star-stormy-daniels-for-mccabe-firing-614186)
Boobs on the brain: MSNBC host blames porn star Stormy Daniels for McCabe firing (http://www.bizpacreview.com/2018/03/17/boobs-on-the-brain-msnbc-host-blames-porn-star-stormy-daniels-for-mccabe-firing-614186)
BizPac Review 1h ago

Origanalist

03-22-2018, 06:26 PM

oyarde

03-22-2018, 06:28 PM

I'm not laughing, and I'm not voting for Trump, secretly or not. I stopped voting entirely.

I see your point . I am just not smart enough to throw in the towel yet .

specsaregood

03-22-2018, 06:32 PM

So its official, Trump is the biggest cuck there ever was. They must really have that peepee video somewhere.

Origanalist

03-22-2018, 06:33 PM

I see your point . I am just not smart enough to throw in the towel yet .

Well, I haven't thrown it in entirely. I'll still support someone like Gunny, but as far as i know there arent any Gunny's running around here. The only good one I knew of decided not to run again.

Origanalist

03-22-2018, 06:35 PM

So its official, Trump is the biggest cuck there ever was. They must really have that peepee video somewhere.

Maybe there is something to that small hands thing that was going around.

Krugminator2

03-22-2018, 06:53 PM

CaptUSA

03-22-2018, 06:57 PM

I wonder if Trump can get Dick Cheney to come out of retirement??

Cap

03-22-2018, 07:02 PM

Draining my ass...more like restocking the swamp.

Matt Collins

03-22-2018, 07:06 PM

Yosemite Sam!

https://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/square_medium/0/5768/627273-yosemite_sam.jpg

CaptUSA

03-22-2018, 07:09 PM

Well what is it, dannno... Are you waiting for Molly to help you make sense of this?

juleswin

03-22-2018, 07:10 PM

Dont be embarrased if you were taken in by Trump during the campaign. Such luminaries in the non interventionist movement like Tom Woods, antiwar.com, Stefan Molyneux, Lew Rockwell also fell for what I call the campaign rhetoric scam.

Vieux Canard

03-22-2018, 07:10 PM

I'm not laughing, and I'm not voting for Trump, secretly or not. I stopped voting entirely.

I'm with you. With the exception of some local offices occasionally, I consider voting an act of aggression. No matter whom the US bombs, there is no blood on my hands. While I understand that the primary original and continuing purpose of this messageboard is to encourage and coordinate political activism, I consider it a waste of time and voting for any national office immoral. I just wish to enjoy what I can from this life, write about things that I care about and hope that US dies a peaceful and early death just like the USSR did.

Origanalist

03-22-2018, 07:11 PM

I wonder if Trump can get Dick Cheney to come out of retirement??

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f4/Sebastian_Shaw_as_Anakin_Skywalker.jpg/220px-Sebastian_Shaw_as_Anakin_Skywalker.jpg

EBounding

03-22-2018, 07:13 PM

Can someone please Trumpsplain this to me!? Is Bolton a libertarian now or something?

Origanalist

03-22-2018, 07:14 PM

Well what is it, dannno... Are you waiting for Molly to help you make sense of this?

Stay tuned for video.

juleswin

03-22-2018, 07:14 PM

Probably not a good thing when you have to press someone not to start wars.

John Bolton Reportedly Told Trump He ‘Wouldn’t Start Any Wars’ If Hired as National Security Adviser https://www.mediaite.com/online/john-bolton-reportedly-told-trump-he-wouldnt-start-any-wars-if-hired-as-national-security-adviser/

He wouldn't start any new ones, he would instead make the ones we are already fighting burn brighter. I find it hard to believe John Bolton wouldnt find an excuse to send your tax money and children out to fight for Israel.

CaptUSA

03-22-2018, 07:16 PM

Can someone please Trumpsplain this to me!? Is Bolton a libertarian now or something?

Hillary would have been worse. #Trumpslained.

r3volution 3.0

03-22-2018, 07:27 PM

LMAO

It’s been nice knowing you all.

The trick is to comb some potassium iodide into your oversized mustache.

axiomata

03-22-2018, 07:33 PM

At least on the positive side, this place isn't overrun by Trump sycophants at the moment.

wizardwatson

03-22-2018, 07:59 PM

EBounding

03-22-2018, 08:06 PM

Probably not a good thing when you have to press someone not to start wars.

John Bolton Reportedly Told Trump He ‘Wouldn’t Start Any Wars’ If Hired as National Security Adviser https://www.mediaite.com/online/john-bolton-reportedly-told-trump-he-wouldnt-start-any-wars-if-hired-as-national-security-adviser/

BETA CUCKS don't understand how big this is! Only True Alphas like Trump could get Bolton to say this. It's just a smoke screen--Bolton will have zero influence! AMERICA FIRST MAGA!

Origanalist

03-22-2018, 08:08 PM

Then...all at once...his supporters realized chess-like any other system involving movement and time-has always been 4 dimensional.

Then they derped their last derp...

...and slowly but surely, removed their heads from their asses.

And then you woke up from that dream. If that was going to happen it would have a long time ago. Give it a day or two, mollywhatshisname hasn't made a video yet.

bunklocoempire

03-22-2018, 08:10 PM

Can someone please Trumpsplain this to me!? Is Bolton a libertarian now or something?

Trump > Hillary

I think that's how the Trumpsplainin' goes. It's a fear thing that has to be dressed up as "strategy". Weird hiring strategy if you ask me.

wizardwatson

03-22-2018, 08:10 PM

Hillary would have been worse. #Trumpslained.

Well, that's the brainwashed mentality of people in this country.

"You get to vote, after that you have no real power."

Truth is we have MORE power to influence who's in power rather than who receives power. Easier to lobby than to elect. Even CFL has figured that out.

So when that's what you believe, then "Hillary would've been worse" sounds like a valid point.

Vieux Canard

03-22-2018, 08:13 PM

He wouldn't start any new ones, he would instead make the ones we are already fighting burn brighter. I find it hard to believe John Bolton wouldnt find an excuse to send your tax money and children out to fight for Israel.

It's interesting that Bolton evidently considers the powers granted to him by Sheldon Adelson supercede those from the US constitution. I feel so much better now.

Dr.3D

03-22-2018, 08:33 PM

At least on the positive side, this place isn't overrun by Trump sycophants at the moment.
/* sniffs for sycophants */

nikcers

03-22-2018, 08:46 PM

Jokes on you guys, the Trump supporters wanted war with Iran the entire time.

Origanalist

03-22-2018, 08:52 PM

Jokes on you guys, the Trump supporters wanted war with Iran the entire time.

https://youtu.be/o-zoPgv_nYg

dannno

03-22-2018, 09:41 PM

Well what is it, @dannno (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=10908)... Are you waiting for Molly to help you make sense of this?

He's changed :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldyFq88RUQg

https://www.pscp.tv/Cernovich/1zqKVrVzdLpKB

https://www.pscp.tv/Cernovich/1OwxWEqqBynGQ

thoughtomator

03-22-2018, 09:44 PM

I give Bolton a projected tenure of about 4 months. He ain't got what it takes.

nikcers

03-22-2018, 09:46 PM

I give Bolton a projected tenure of about 4 months. He ain't got what it takes.
Before or after we go to war with Iran? I bet this time they will even have weapons of mass destruction.

dannno

03-22-2018, 09:49 PM

He's changed :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldyFq88RUQg

https://www.pscp.tv/Cernovich/1zqKVrVzdLpKB

https://www.pscp.tv/Cernovich/1OwxWEqqBynGQ

A bunch of NSC people walked out today :D

A bunch of ppl are getting fired.

McMaster holding a townhall tomorrow morning.

Swordsmyth

03-23-2018, 01:40 AM

BOOOOOOOOOOO!

I guess this means McMaster was the one who told him not to congratulate Putin and then leaked about it.

Swordsmyth

03-23-2018, 01:44 AM

He's changed :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldyFq88RUQg

Whatever that was it's gone now.

Swordsmyth

03-23-2018, 01:46 AM

I give Bolton a projected tenure of about 4 months. He ain't got what it takes.

We can hope but that doesn't change how bad this pick is.

ONUV

03-23-2018, 02:23 AM

http://non-intervention.com/3159/god-damn-you-president-trump-john-bolton-is-an-israel-firstneocon-warmonger-and-a-lethal-enemy-of-our-republic/

Anti-Neocon

03-23-2018, 03:02 AM

At least on the positive side, this place isn't overrun by Trump sycophants at the moment.
I never understood why people would be able to explain why they liked liberty (which was/is? a requirement to join here), and then support a man who has showed nothing but disdain for liberty. The liberty lovers with a latent love for tyrants? Interesting stuff.

Origanalist

03-23-2018, 04:56 AM

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TheCount

03-23-2018, 05:35 AM

I never understood why people would be able to explain why they liked liberty (which was/is? a requirement to join here), and then support a man who has showed nothing but disdain for liberty. The liberty lovers with a latent love for tyrants? Interesting stuff.
Just because they want liberty for themselves doesn't mean that they also agree that everybody else should have it.

This is the trap that culture warriors (on the right) and SJWs (primarily on the left) fall into: They want the government to endorse and/or enforce the "freedom" to do the things that they feel should be done while simultaneously forbidding all other things. They wish to explicitly give up their liberty in order to use government as a weapon against their neighbors.

This same group is constantly surprised when, as the years pass or elections change the balance of power in government, they end up being the ones looking down the barrel of that weapon. Then and only then do they start shrieking about liberty. When the powers that be seem to be on their side again, liberty is forgotten and they once again see freedom as an obstacle to be overcome. The entirety of this cycle can be seen quite clearly on this forum.

shakey1

03-23-2018, 05:40 AM

http://www.relatably.com/m/img/comic-book-meme-generator/fbz_d180812f261bfb8d4cacca82dcb23558.jpg

dannno

03-23-2018, 08:50 AM

Whatever that was it's gone now.

https://www.pscp.tv/Cernovich/1zqKVrVzdLpKB

https://www.pscp.tv/Cernovich/1OwxWEqqBynGQ

TheCount

03-23-2018, 08:55 AM

https://www.pscp.tv/Cernovich/1zqKVrVzdLpKB

https://www.pscp.tv/Cernovich/1OwxWEqqBynGQ

That's an hour and three minutes of video.

Do you actually expect anyone but the rabidly faithful to watch that drivel? And for what, to hear Cernovich tie himself into a pretzel trying to explain this latest stable genius 32DD chess maneuver by his God Emperor?

kahless

03-23-2018, 08:59 AM

nikcers

03-23-2018, 09:04 AM

Maybe you are jumping too conclusions on support and opinion of some forum members of Trump.

When the only viable choices are.

A. Openly vocal Neocon promoting bombing Syria and Russia during the campaign. Complete disregard of the risk of ending the world with WIII with Russia. Past track record of implementing Neoconservative policies.

vs

B. Openly vocal against bombing Syria and Russia during the campaign. Openly vocal against the Iraq war. Makes claims we should work with Russia rather than an adversary. Long history of bashing Neocons despite promoting Neocons policies prior to that.

Which one are you going to pick?

Since your handle is Anti-Neocon, one would expect you to understand this.
We just want you to consider Rand Paul as a second choice, Kahless.

kahless

03-23-2018, 09:08 AM

375705302382817281

^Good example of what I was saying above.

Bolton won't be able to keep his trap shut if Trump does not play along with his recommendations and will be out before too long. Not liking the pick at all but something to be said for surrounding yourself with opposing viewpoints. However a concern with Trump considering the fear he can be easily persuaded by whomever is in his ear at the time. One can also hope that as in the past Trump has consistently given the Neocons a rope to hang themselves with.

nikcers

03-23-2018, 09:16 AM

^Good example of what I was saying above.

Bolton won't be able to keep his trap shut if Trump does not play along with his recommendations and will be out before too long. Not liking the pick at all but something to be said for surrounding yourself with opposing viewpoints. However a concern with Trump considering the fear he can be easily persuaded by whomever is in his ear at the time. One can also hope that as in the past Trump has consistently given the Neocons a rope to hang themselves with.
Would it be possible to look back and notice that Trump was lying before he was elected? Good ole RPF it shows up under "related"

Trump against Iraq war, but when asked to name military advisor, Bolton is first name he drops (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?481411-Trump-against-Iraq-war-but-when-asked-to-name-military-advisor-Bolton-is-first-name-he-drops)

By economics102 in forum 2016 Presidential Election: GOP & Dem

Replies: 7Last Post: 06-19-2016, 11:57 PM

dannno

03-23-2018, 09:17 AM

That's an hour and three minutes of video.

Do you actually expect anyone but the rabidly faithful to watch that drivel? And for what, to hear Cernovich tie himself into a pretzel trying to explain this latest stable genius 32DD chess maneuver by his God Emperor?

Cernovich was a personal enemy of McMaster, so you get to hear some inside baseball.

The bulk of the content is probably in the first video and toward the beginning of the second.

Vieux Canard

03-23-2018, 11:20 AM

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/73022650/miss-me-yet.jpg

r3volution 3.0

03-23-2018, 11:24 AM

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/73022650/miss-me-yet.jpg

Trump appointed uber-hawk John Bolton, sure...

...but I have it on the best authority that Hillary would have appointed the superdevil.

That's right, folks, not just the regular devil: the superdevil!

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uf5eqM0Dl0k/hqdefault.jpg

kcchiefs6465

03-23-2018, 11:32 AM

Trump appointed uber-hawk John Bolton, sure...

...but I have it on the best authority that Hillary would have appointed the superdevil.

That's right, folks, not just the regular devil: the superdevil!

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uf5eqM0Dl0k/hqdefault.jpg
The federal government said they won't use any appropriated money in targetting medical marijuana dispensaries.

So there's that.

acptulsa

03-23-2018, 11:43 AM

The federal government said they won't use any appropriated money in targetting medical marijuana dispensaries.

So there's that.

Except in Idaho, Kansas, Nebraska and South Dakota.

The geography of those last three is interesting. So, we can't have any weed moving between east and west that bypasses the Clintons' I-40 Drug Corridor?

Zippyjuan

03-23-2018, 12:02 PM

I never understood why people would be able to explain why they liked liberty (which was/is? a requirement to join here), and then support a man who has showed nothing but disdain for liberty. The liberty lovers with a latent love for tyrants? Interesting stuff.

Ron Paul warned us.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/18/ron-paul-i-couldnt-support-donald-trump-nominee/

Former Texas Rep. Ron Paul said Friday he couldn’t support GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump if Mr. Trump wins the party’s nomination, saying Mr. Trump’s views on the scope of executive authority could surpass those of President Obama.

“No, I couldn’t do that,” Mr. Paul said on Fox Business Network when asked if he would support Mr. Trump, should the billionaire businessman win the GOP nomination. “He’s [the] opposite of a libertarian.”

Mr. Paul, a three-time presidential candidate, said on foreign policy, Mr. Trump probably wouldn’t be that much different than former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, the Democratic front-runner.

“I think the die-hard neoconservatives would not be that extremely unhappy with Hillary,” Mr. Paul said.

“Trump is going to be the most efficient [at] using the executive orders,” he said. “He’ll say this is the way it is, you know. Obama was pretty arrogant. If you don’t do it, [the] Congress, I’ll write an order. Well, I think Trump [will] be 10 times worse on writing orders because he’s used to doing this, and he brags about it.”

“He wants to be the boss. I’m not looking for a boss. We want somebody that will allow us to be our own boss, is what I think we should be looking for,” Mr. Paul said.

dannno

03-23-2018, 12:03 PM

acptulsa

03-23-2018, 12:11 PM

Because he is a wrecking ball against the deep state, a group that hates liberty way more than Trump.

Sessions is doggedly holding the line for Big Pharma, Bolton is nominated for National Security, ex-CIA boss Pompeo is nominated for Secretary of State, the ante is up in Syria, tensions are higher with Russia than at any time since the end of the USSR, gun control is in the works (NICS got fixed, for example), and nobody is auditing the Fed.

Your wrecking ball hasn't knocked enough dust off the Deep State to fill a thimble.

Smoke a few more bong hits and tie yourself in a pretzel of logic again and the answer will still be the same. What you call a wrecking ball any sane observer calls a construction crew.

TheCount

03-23-2018, 12:27 PM

Cernovich was a personal enemy of McMaster, so you get to hear some inside baseball.

Cernovich's wet dreams and obsessive fan fiction are not inside baseball.

Origanalist

03-23-2018, 12:49 PM

The federal government said they won't use any appropriated money in targetting medical marijuana dispensaries.

So there's that.

If the feds said so I gotta believe it's true.

Origanalist

03-23-2018, 12:50 PM

RPF continues to be overrun with Hillary shills.

:rolleyes:

dannno

03-23-2018, 12:56 PM

Cernovich's wet dreams and obsessive fan fiction are not inside baseball.

Cernovich knows more about what is going on in the White House than you will ever know..

He has predicted things weeks, months and even was talking about a lot of this stuff that is going on now a year ago.

He said McMaster and his cronies were the leakers, and it turns out he was right and that is why he and his crew were fired.

Didn't you see the thread zippy posted a couple days or so ago? Trump furious about another leak? Now McMaster gone? Put the puzzle together.

undergroundrr

03-23-2018, 01:02 PM

Cernovich knows more about what is going on in the White House than you will ever know..

He has predicted things weeks, months and even was talking about a lot of this stuff that is going on now a year ago.

Did he predict John Bolton would eventually be guiding foreign policy? Cos I did.

Did he say trump would spend at levels that, as Rand said "would make Obama blush?" Cos I did.

Did he say trump was going to be the greatest gift ever given to neoconservatism? Cos I did.

dannno

03-23-2018, 01:08 PM

Did he predict John Bolton would eventually be guiding foreign policy? Cos I did.

That's a bold prediction, we will see if it happens. Anything specific you have in mind?

Did he say trump would spend at levels that, as Rand said "would make Obama blush?" Cos I did.

Did he say trump was going to be the greatest gift ever given to neoconservatism? Cos I did.

Not that I am aware..

Anti-Neocon

03-23-2018, 01:53 PM

RPF continues to be overrun with Hillary shills.
It takes a special kind of mind in order to equate exposing Trump to being a Hillary shill.

Anti-Neocon

03-23-2018, 01:56 PM

Ron Paul warned us.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/18/ron-paul-i-couldnt-support-donald-trump-nominee/
Ron Paul was right again.

kahless

03-23-2018, 02:13 PM

It takes a special kind of mind in order to equate exposing Trump to being a Hillary shill.

Where did anyone make that connection? There are those that are rational in their opposition of Trump policies and those who are not. Clearly you are making a choice to be irrational in your opposition.

kahless

03-23-2018, 02:23 PM

:rolleyes:

Granted were all pissed about Bolton and the Omnibus but to say we should wish Hillary were our President is a bit over the top.

Origanalist

03-23-2018, 02:28 PM

Granted were all pissed about Bolton and the Omnibus but to say we should wish Hillary were our President is a bit over the top.

I'm thinking it was a joke......

nikcers

03-23-2018, 02:36 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v55ny1t2n0

acptulsa

03-23-2018, 02:40 PM

Granted were all pissed about Bolton and the Omnibus but to say we should wish Hillary were our President is a bit over the top.

If you could stop trying to make a federal case out of it long enough to think it through, you might just find he was asking the very thing a bunch of us have been asking for over a year...

WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?

Raginfridus

03-23-2018, 02:40 PM

Because he is a wrecking ball against the deep state, a group that hates liberty way more than Trump.No, he doesn't even know what a deep state is.

dannno

03-23-2018, 02:41 PM

No, he doesn't even know what a deep state is.

LOL

Swordsmyth

03-23-2018, 03:30 PM

Trump's third national security advisor John Bolton (https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/22/john-bolton-is-trumps-new-national-security-advisor-mcmaster/) shares at least one thing in common with his first one, Michael Flynn: both men have ties to Cambridge Analytica (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/04/michael-flynn-cambridge-analytica-disclosure), a political data firm at the center of a new Facebook privacy firestorm.

In a new story, The New York Times reports (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/us/politics/bolton-cambridge-analyticas-facebook-data.html) that John Bolton's political action committee The John Bolton Super PAC hired Cambridge Analytica in August 2014, "months after the political data firm was founded and while it was still harvesting the Facebook (https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/facebook/) data."
In Cambridge Analytica's (https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/cambridge-analytica/) early days, Bolton's PAC funneled $1.2 million toward polling and "behavioral microtargeting with psychographic messaging" over the course of two years.

More at: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-apos-national-security-advisor-191904810.html

nikcers

03-23-2018, 04:55 PM

https://www.commondreams.org/sites/default/files/users/user20/1521798814530.jpg

"You ran against Iran. And if you want to hire me, that's what I'm going to produce for you."

kahless

03-23-2018, 05:32 PM

I'm thinking it was a joke......

I have my doubts considering the irrational Trump hate over the last few years if anyone happens to agree with a specific policy of his regardless whether one believes he will follow through with it or not.

acptulsa

03-23-2018, 05:35 PM

I have my doubts considering the irrational Trump hate over the last few years if anyone happens to agree with a specific policy of his regardless whether one believes he will follow through with it or not.

You may be incapable of hating two establishment tools of two different parties at the same time, but some of us are a little more coordinated.

Do you have trouble walking and chewing gum too?

pcosmar

03-23-2018, 05:44 PM

Granted were all pissed about Bolton and the Omnibus but to say we should wish Hillary were our President is a bit over the top.

We all told ya so,,,

long ago.

kahless

03-23-2018, 05:55 PM

We all told ya so,,,

long ago.

My posting history is available here and clearly spelt out the dangers of Trump early on. Regardless see logic in my last post above which I and any rational person would stand by.

If Hillary or Hitler for that matter states that lowering taxes are good, then I and most rational people that are for lower taxes are not going to oppose lower taxes. It is really not that hard to understand for people that can discuss politics rationally.

pcosmar

03-23-2018, 06:01 PM

It is really not that hard to understand for people that can discuss politics rationally.

Rationality left the arena early in the primaries,, on both sides..
The ensuing Circus and and Media Hysterics are a good enough reason for my expectations.

Both the Trump Derangement Syndrome and the Trump Deification are equally as disturbing.

and equally deserving of derision.

We the People just got PHUCKED,, again.

Ender

03-23-2018, 06:03 PM

Rationality left the arena early in the primaries,, on both sides..
The ensuing Circus and and Media Hysterics are a good enough reason for my expectations.

Both the Trump Derangement Syndrome and the Trump Deification are equally as disturbing.

and equally deserving of derision.

We the People just got PHUCKED,, again.

Yep.

acptulsa

03-23-2018, 06:07 PM

B. Openly vocal against bombing Syria and Russia during the campaign. Openly vocal against the Iraq war. Makes claims we should work with Russia rather than an adversary. Long history of bashing Neocons despite promoting Neocons policies prior to that.

And how's that working for you? Exactly the way we told you it would while you were already spamming for the bastard even before Iowa?

AZJoe

03-23-2018, 06:16 PM

With Bolton Pick, Trump is Assembling an Iran War Cabinet (https://niacouncil.us8.list-manage.com/track/click?u=ec0d04df4f6d2288f04feee31&id=d90fb1a085&e=de1f9252f3)

... regarding the appointment of John Bolton as National Security Advisor:“Donald Trump may have just effectively declared war on Iran. ...

“Bolton is an unhinged advocate for waging World War III. He has explicitly called for bombing Iran for the past ten years and has suggested the U.S. engage in nuclear first strikes in North Korea.

Bolton’s first order of business will be to convince Trump to exit the Iran nuclear deal ...

By Bolton's rationale for first strike "preemptive" warfare (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/bolton-wants-preventive-war-against-north-korea/), the Pearl Harbor Bombing was perfectly legal (https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2018/03/23/if-john-bolton-is-right-pearl-harbor-was-perfectly-legal/)

kahless

03-23-2018, 06:57 PM

And how's that working for you? Exactly the way we told you it would while you were already spamming for the bastard even before Iowa?

Your Trump Delusional Disorder continues since again that never happened. I am not going to oppose sound policy regardless of the candidate or whether the candidate is believable or not.

Your choice to flip your philosophy to be pro-war, high taxes and for more regulation because they were policies presented by Trump was not rational. (You see I can do the same thing).

AZJoe

03-23-2018, 07:06 PM

https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/john-bolton-1-768x656.jpg

AZJoe

03-23-2018, 07:16 PM

Stephen Lendman on the Madness of the psychotic John Bolton (https://www.globalresearch.ca/raging-hawk-john-bolton-trumps-new-national-security-advisor/5633181):

The most perilous time in world history is now more frightening. Long forgotten is Trump’s campaign hyperbole, calling NATO “obsolete,” along with criticizing trillions of dollars spent on militarism and warmaking. Instead of stepping back from wars he inherited, he escalated them. With Pompeo at State and Bolton as national security advisor …

“ never met a country he didn’t want to destroy.” … “He’s never seen a foreign policy problem that couldn’t be solved by bombing.” … Bolton is militantly hostile to Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, and Syria, among other nations on his target list.

[B]In February, [Bolton] called for a “decidedly disproportionate,” anti-Russia cyber offensive. He urged Trump to let Putin “hear the rumble of artillery and NATO tank tracks conducting more joint field exercises with Ukraine’s military.” …

He joined the “Russia meddled in America’s electoral process” crowd straightaway – recently calling [it] … “a casus belli, a true act of war, and one Washington will never tolerate,” adding … “I think in order to focus Putin’s thinking, we need to do things that cause him pain…”

He called for “abrogat(ing) New START between Washington and Moscow, a nuclear arms reduction treaty agreed to in 2009, signed in 2010.

He urged a “very strong response” to the Sergey Skripal incident Russia had nothing to do with.

He advocates confronting nonexistent Chinese “aggressiveness” …

Bolton earlier called for military action on Iran and North Korea. … “To Stop Iran’s Bomb, Bomb Iran,” … “The inconvenient truth is that only military action … can accomplish what is required.”

In an April 2017 interview with Breitbart News (http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2017/04/13/bolton-only-way-end-north-koreas-nuclear-weapons-program-end-north/), he urged ending North Korea, saying “the only long-term way to deal with (North Korea’s) nuclear weapons program is to end (the) regime.” … “I think further discussions with North Korea, further efforts to pressure North Korea, are basically a waste of time. The way to end the North’s nuclear program is to end the North.” …

Bolton’s way is through militarism and endless wars of aggression. He considers all sovereign independent states a threat to US security. … With him involved in administration policymaking, escalated wars of aggression are likely, a greater risk of nuclear war instead of stepping back from the brink.

acptulsa

03-23-2018, 07:17 PM

Your choice to flip your philosophy to be pro-war, high taxes and for more regulation because they were policies presented by Trump was not rational. (You see I can do the same thing).

Yes, you can. And it's a breath of fresh air to see you finally admit Trump's for taxation, regulation and war.

But you're the one who's for whatever Trump wants, not me.

AZJoe

03-23-2018, 07:31 PM

http://www.moonofalabama.org/images6/johnbolton.jpg

undergroundrr

03-23-2018, 07:43 PM

Both the Trump Derangement Syndrome and the Trump Deification are equally as disturbing.

and equally deserving of derision.

Not sure what your definition of Trump Derangement Syndrome is, but I would argue that it was completely valid and essential to oppose trump virulently from day 1 unless you were a neocon. It’s laughable to cherry pick supposedly non-interventionist ephemera from his spewing. The minute a New York liberal suggests we bomb the shit out of em, it’s obvious where he stands.

I have said it before and I’ll say it again. There was never any advantage for liberty lovers in electing trump over HRC. I would not have regretted her winning and every day seems to bring another reason she may well have been clearly preferable, not because of her policies but because they would have been opposed into ineffectuality. Trump’s true convictions weren’t very far from hers and he’s implementing the progressive platform at lightning speed.

But to American voters, trump was the free market capitalist candidate. Well it will be a long time before a “free market capitalist” gets elected again. Trashing the economy with overspending is just going to exacerbate the hunger for social programs, and Oprah or Biden or whoever will be glad to give it to them.

But on the heels of Obama, I entertain that it would have been better to have an open socialist opposed by a Republican Congress in the Oval Office than the fake capitalist we got.

AZJoe

03-23-2018, 08:09 PM

Caitlin Johnstone on the psychopathic bloodthirsty John Bolton (https://steemit.com/war/@caitlinjohnstone/anti-war-trump-voters-just-officially-ran-out-of-reasons-to-support-this-president):

Trump has replaced his National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster with John Bolton, who Glenn Greenwald just described (https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/976951004875849728) as "unstable, monstrous and bloodthirsty," and "an actual sociopath in the clinical sense of that term." …

there is no more bloodthirsty a war hawk in Washington than John Bolton. Just last month he authored an article (http://archive.is/BGILs) for the Wall Street Journal arguing in favor of a preemptive strike on North Korea … Bolton calls for regime change (https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/shut-the-fuck-up-john-bolton-6bdb4334f29c) in every rival of the US empire on a regular basis, he knowingly advanced lies (https://www.vox.com/world/2018/3/22/17153338/john-bolton-national-security-adviser-trump-hr-mcmaster) to help manufacture support for the Iraq invasion, he revived the US-Russia arms race (https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/976956098430275584) by leading America's withdrawal from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty in 2002, advocates more escalations (http://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/366524-expect-americas-tensions-with-china-and-russia-to-rise-in-2018) with both China and Russia, and has spent his entire career pushing for death and destruction at every opportunity.

This latest move makes it abundantly clear that wars are planned, and a team is being assembled to help facilitate them. There is only one thing John Bolton knows, and that's killing. He would not be appointed to National Security Advisor (a position which does not require Senate approval (https://www.romper.com/p/does-the-national-security-adviser-require-senate-confirmation-not-at-all-34488)) unless large amounts of killing were planned. …

His cabinet is filling with more and more neoconservative war hawks (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/neoconning-the-trump-white-house/) for a reason, and war is the one and only thing that John Bolton is known for. … You don't appoint a warmongering psychopath to a position previously held by two generals because you want to hear his opinions about the latest season of The Voice. …

McMaster was already scary. Bolton is vastly more terrifying. …

Fifteen years ago, the Republican party spearheaded the charge into Iraq. Now, all signs point to it being used to lead us into Iran, North Korea, and God knows where else. …

AZJoe

03-23-2018, 08:09 PM

976951004875849728

The Rebel Poet

03-23-2018, 08:21 PM

Whatever that was it's gone now.
It was this one:
[VIDEO]https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ[/VIDEO
I hate to say it, but danno might be right this time.

nikcers

03-23-2018, 08:25 PM

You guys have John Bolton Derangement Syndrome. I can't believe you guys don't want John Bolton- he is like Ron Paul except for the foreign policy. I mean I like that Ron Paul guy, on domestic policy, but his foreign policy :rolleyes:

kahless

03-23-2018, 09:03 PM

I have said it before and I’ll say it again. There was never any advantage for liberty lovers in electing trump over HRC. I would not have regretted her winning and every day seems to bring another reason she may well have been clearly preferable....

Did you forget she wanted to shoot Russian planes out of the sky and effectively start WWIII? To this day she still bitching about Russia. Pretty clear on that issue alone there is an advantage having Trump instead of her.

Ender

03-23-2018, 09:08 PM

Did you forget she wanted to shoot Russian planes out of the sky and effectively start WWIII? To this day she still bitching about Russia. Pretty clear on that issue alone there is an advantage having Trump instead of her.

Did you forget that Trump wants war with Iran and wants to execute Snowdon? And always has?

War with Iran will also start the "official" WWIII. We've already been in mini WWIII since 2001.

Raginfridus

03-23-2018, 09:25 PM

By Bolton's rationale for first strike "preemptive" warfare (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/bolton-wants-preventive-war-against-north-korea/), the Pearl Harbor Bombing was perfectly legal (https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2018/03/23/if-john-bolton-is-right-pearl-harbor-was-perfectly-legal/)Pearl Harbor was legal. There were no laws against nations pushed to their breaking point from striking w/o warning or mercy. Pearl Harbor should be a lesson for warmongers to this day.

Here's a gentle introduction to history:

https://youtu.be/DL95_rXVq5U

dannno

03-23-2018, 09:55 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzUsmrx2Moc

Raginfridus

03-23-2018, 09:58 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzUsmrx2MocWho is Scott Adams?

dannno

03-23-2018, 10:04 PM

Who is Scott Adams?

https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/525db71aeab8ea065fd61f42-750-508.jpg

pcosmar

03-24-2018, 12:09 AM

Obama had Clinton pushing war.

Bolton is just Trumps Clinton.

The Agenda Continues.

omg,, I'm going to start sounding like Aratus

AZJoe

03-24-2018, 02:49 AM

https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29177231_1334904579989531_6269712844194229785_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=162741396ae0167fba4331ef631a1c9e&oe=5B3EA731

AZJoe

03-24-2018, 03:26 AM

Pearl Harbor was legal. ... Pearl Harbor should be a lesson for warmongers to this day.

Yes it should be a lesson. As far as being legal, the US position is that a first strike was illegal, criminal, immoral and a war crime.
The US hung many of those involved following the Tokyo War Crimes trials.
But now according to the Bolton rationale, there should not have even been any war crime trial regarding Pearl Harbor.

AZJoe

03-24-2018, 03:35 AM

Ron Paul Liberty Special Report: Ron Paul on the John Bolton Nomination

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3mmyBFXUFw

AZJoe

03-24-2018, 03:36 AM

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/bolton-quote.png

AZJoe

03-24-2018, 03:41 AM

974682160174108672

and that's coming from George W. Bush's ethics lawyer. Now that's telling!

TheCount

03-24-2018, 04:03 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzUsmrx2Moc

We're up to one hour and forty minutes of video required to understand the 75D chess moves.

Raginfridus

03-24-2018, 07:54 AM

Yes it should be a lesson. As far as being legal, the US position is that a first strike was illegal, criminal, immoral and a war crime.
The US hung many of those involved following the Tokyo War Crimes trials.
But now according to the Bolton rationale, there should not have even been any war crime trial regarding Pearl Harbor.But were those laws on the books?

Raginfridus

03-24-2018, 08:12 AM

http://iran-interlink.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/JohnBolton_Mojahedin-Khalq_terrorists.jpg

Ender

03-24-2018, 08:20 AM

enhanced_deficit

03-24-2018, 11:11 AM

Let's wait for final official confirmation from White House Pres Sec, MSM sometimes can report fakenews too.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DY7VPsZXUAEX4oV.jpg

(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?520425-Netanyahu-ally-Adelson-wanted-McMaster-out-because-of-his-quot-anti-Israel-quot-views-and-he-is-out&)
CBS News March 15, 2018, 11:46 PM
Sarah Sanders denies report that H.R. McMaster is about to be fired
In the face of reporting by several media outlets that Gen. H.R. McMaster is in imminent danger of being removed as national security adviser, White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders wrote in a tweet Thursday night that she has spoken with both President Trump and with McMaster and, "contrary to reports, they have a good working relationship and there are no changes at the NSC [National Security Council]."

Trump's third national security advisor John Bolton (https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/22/john-bolton-is-trumps-new-national-security-advisor-mcmaster/) shares at least one thing in common with his first one, Michael Flynn: both men have ties to Cambridge Analytica (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/04/michael-flynn-cambridge-analytica-disclosure), a political data firm at the center of a new Facebook privacy firestorm.

In a new story, The New York Times reports (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/us/politics/bolton-cambridge-analyticas-facebook-data.html) that John Bolton's political action committee The John Bolton Super PAC hired Cambridge Analytica in August 2014, "months after the political data firm was founded and while it was still harvesting the Facebook (https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/facebook/) data."
In Cambridge Analytica's (https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/cambridge-analytica/) early days, Bolton's PAC funneled $1.2 million toward polling and "behavioral microtargeting with psychographic messaging" over the course of two years.

More at: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-apos-national-security-advisor-191904810.html

Did not know that. But to be fair, that's an expansive scandal that involves even Trump campaign/Kushner etc allegedly.

Trump Campaign Hired Cambridge Analytica (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?520558-Trump-Election-Consultant-Firm-Cambridge-Analytica-Execs-Caught-Discussing-Extortion-Fake-News&)

specsaregood

03-24-2018, 11:58 AM

This just goes to show you how devious and persistent this breed of vermin are. Recall how the media was gleeful early on about Bolton likely being nominated to SOS? And Randal went on a full-on media campaign to prevent it? He was successful and I think we can all be thankful for that.

So what happens? These parasites found the weak spot, and angled to get him appointed to a position that does not require Senatorial approval. Keeping Randal and others from being able to do much of anything about it.

At least he is currently limited to a position of whisperer and has no actual authority over anything.

nikcers

03-24-2018, 12:14 PM

976968096908021760

nikcers

03-24-2018, 12:18 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ouaJ16Lyds

undergroundrr

03-24-2018, 01:21 PM

https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29177231_1334904579989531_6269712844194229785_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=162741396ae0167fba4331ef631a1c9e&oe=5B3EA731

https://original.antiwar.com/justin/2013/07/28/who-really-started-the-korean-war/

They Lied Us Into War, All of Them
Scott Horton Posted on March 22, 2018

And I don’t just mean Iraq War II.

A friend wanted a list, so I whipped one up real quick.

Gulf of Tonkin 1967: McNamara knew it was a mistake before LBJ used it as an excuse to escalate. Daniel Ellsberg’s firsthand account from inside the Pentagon: http://www.pbs.org/pov/mostdangerousman/excerpt-ellsberg-memoir/2/
(Gareth Porter says Mac kept the truth from LBJ: https://consortiumnews.com/2014/08/05/how-lbj-was-deceived-on-gulf-of-tonkin/ )

Cold War’s End 1988-1991: CIA so busy lying about Soviet power under Casey and Gates, they missed the USSR’s fall. http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/21487-no-tears-for-the-real-robert-gates

Iraq War I: 1990-1991: Lied about Iraqi preparations to invade Saudi, Iraqi forces murdering babies https://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0906/p01s02-wosc.html

Kosovo: 1999: Lied about 100,000 Albanian Muslims slaughtered by Serbs
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/aug/18/balkans3

Afghanistan: 2001: Lied that Taliban wouldn’t give up Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5

Iraq War II 2003: Lied that Iraq was making WMD, including nuclear weapons, was allied with al Qaeda https://medium.com/dan-sanchez-blog/16-articles-that-expose-how-they-lied-us-into-war-in-iraq-bedf2e47c0bc

Somalia 2006: The Islamic Courts Union government was not truly in league with al Qaeda as claimed https://www.thenation.com/article/blowback-somalia/

Libya 2011: Lied that there was an impending genocide in Eastern Libya https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/29/hillary-clinton-libya-war-genocide-narrative-rejec/

Syria 2013: No Slam Dunk on al Qaeda false-flag sarin attack, they finally admit much later
https://consortiumnews.com/2016/03/10/neocons-red-faced-over-red-line/

Iraq War III 2014: Yazidis on Mt. Sinjar did not need rescuing
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/2014/08/13/5fdd3358-2301-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html?utm_term=.b2834d3b716b

Yemen 2015: Not really bad intel, but notably knew war would be “long, bloody and indecisive,” launched it anyway, just to “placate the Saudis.” https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/14/world/middleeast/yemen-saudi-us.html

—Hasn’t led to war yet, but they’ve been lying for years about Iran’s intent and actions to make nuclear weapons, which never existed. https://www.amazon.com/Manufactured-Crisis-Untold-Story-Nuclear/dp/1935982338 https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/10/16/when-the-ayatollah-said-no-to-nukes/ CIA did finally admit this was so in 2007 https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/Newsroom/Reports%20and%20Pubs/20071203_release.pdf —

Older phony casus belli:

1812: Impressment of sailors was the excuse when the Democrats really just wanted to seize Canada. https://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/06/19/1812-the-war-partys-first-success/

1846: Mexico: U.S. invaded, called it defense from the Mexicans https://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/lincoln-resolutions

1861: Civil War: Keeping Ft. Sumter open after South Carolina secession was a provocation. (Everyone’s got a different opinion about this one.)

1620-Current: Indian wars: Paid Napoleon for the land. God says we can. And they started it anyway. http://users.humboldt.edu/ogayle/hist110/unit3/indians.html

1898: Spain: Remember the Maine was an accidental fire which spread to the magazine. https://www.loc.gov/law/help/usconlaw/pdf/Maine.1898.pdf

1898: Philippines: Must Christianize these Catholics. http://historymatters.gmu.edu/blackboard/mckinley.html

WWI: Lusitania was a deliberate provocation, Zimmerman telegram threat of German-Mexican invasion of U.S. Southwest was a ridiculous joke. https://www.amazon.com/Lusitania-Colin-Simpson/dp/0582127076 https://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/zimmermann

WWII: Pearl Harbor: FDR Knew. https://www.amazon.com/Day-Deceit-Truth-About-Harbor/dp/0743201299

Korea: Syngman Ree’s forces’ provocations preceded Northern invasion

enhanced_deficit

03-24-2018, 01:35 PM

Not a fan of Bolton but in 2003 NK may have crossed the line:

Why North Korea called John Bolton 'human scum and a bloodsucker'
washingtonpost
1 day ago - When it comes to controversial selections for national security adviser, there are few more divisive than John Bolton. The former U.N. ambassador's hawkish politics and belittling public statements have made many bitter enemies over his decades in public life.

The Trump era has been very good to Iraq War hawks
(https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/23/politics/trump-bush-iraq-war-john-bolton/index.html)
CNN.com

And on topic of name calling, despite his various flaws, those calling current leader moron or moron in chief are not helping in constructive dialog to shape future US foreign policy.

Swordsmyth

03-24-2018, 01:45 PM

dannno

03-24-2018, 02:03 PM

Sources close to the situation told Foreign Policy (http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/23/bolton-expected-to-clean-house/) that John Bolton is preparing to “clean house” and remove nearly all of the political appointees brought in by his predecessor.
“Bolton can and will clean house,” one former White House official told Foreign Policy.
Another former official said any National Security Council officials appointed under former President Obama “should start packing their shit.”
Foreign Policy reported that Bolton is planning to remove dozens of current officials, with a focus on those who have been “disloyal” to the president.

More at: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/380058-john-bolton-plans-to-fire-dozens-of-white-house-officials-report

Ya this is what Cernovich has been talking about for over a year, McMaster and his Obama holdovers.. He doesn't like Bolton much but knows he was going to clean house.. That was in the video I posted earlier.

Keeping in mind:

At least he is currently limited to a position of whisperer and has no actual authority over anything.

Except he can get rid of the Obama holdovers, but no, he can't decide to take us to war with Iran.

TheCount

03-25-2018, 07:20 PM

At least he is currently limited to a position of whisperer and has no actual authority over anything.He will be the one to decide what intelligence is briefed to the president every day. With someone as gullible as Trump in charge, that seems extremely dangerous.

Raginfridus

03-25-2018, 07:35 PM

He will be the one to decide what intelligence is briefed to the president every day. With someone as gullible as Trump in charge, that seems extremely dangerous.With Trump, you just tell him what he wants to hear, and sense Trump obviously loved Bolton's PR briefs on FOX so much, expect his actions abroad to reflect those psa's.

https://youtu.be/t6WQfTHg1o4

AZJoe

03-26-2018, 06:55 PM

goldenequity

03-26-2018, 09:01 PM

From Stephen Lendman (http://stephenlendman.org/2018/03/john-bolton-represents-washingtons-lunatic-fringe/):

"John Bolton wants war on everyone. He and Nikki Haley represent the administration’s lunatic fringe."

John Bolton Asked Tel Aviv to Attack Iran – Former Israeli Defense Minister
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201803261062905241-bolton-israel-attack-iran/

Shaul Mofaz, former Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces and ex-Minister of Defense, has revealed his experience of working with newly appointed US National Security adviser, John Bolton

"I have known John Bolton since his days as US ambassador to the United Nations. He tried to convince me that Israel must attack Iran," Shaul Mofaz said.

Firestarter

03-27-2018, 04:39 AM

After President George Bush Jr. nominated John Bolton for US ambassador to the UN, on 15 April 2005 Melody Townsel sent a letter to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee members to protest against his nomination.

Melody Townsel described that in the late summer of 1994, she had worked as the subcontracted leader of a US Agency for International Development (USAID) project in Kyrgyzstan. At the time she was employed Black, Manafort, Stone & Kelly.
Paul Manafort: former Trump campaign chairman;
Roger Stone: Clinton basher, Trump advisor and associate of Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel.

Melody Townsel reported directly to Republican leader Charlie Black on the prime contractor's poor performance in Kyrgyzstan. Then she flew from Kyrgyzstan to Moscow where she met John Bolton, whom the prime contractor had hired as legal counsel.
For nearly 2 weeks, Bolton chased Townsel “through the halls of a Russian hotel - throwing things at me, shoving threatening letters under my door and, generally, behaving like a madman”.

John Bolton had gone to Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan 2 days before Townsel returned.
Bolton had told the other USAID team leader and US foreign-service officials in Bishkek that Townsel was under investigation for misuse of funds and likely faced jail time. He had also made insulting comments about Townsel’s weight, wardrobe and had hinted that she is a lesbian: http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=359
(archived here: http://archive.is/NM7o2)

John Bolton did become UN Ambassador...

Following is a nice video to show what John Bolton stands for (see him being interviewed at the Charles Koch Institute)…

Mass surveillance on everybody;
Bombing of Syria;
War in Iran;
John Bolton lied on WMDs in Iraq and then lied about his lies.

https://youtu.be/ch-1m8l-uHE

AZJoe

03-27-2018, 07:01 PM

https://plnami.blob.core.windows.net/media/2018/03/johnbolton.jpg

angelatc

03-27-2018, 07:46 PM

I have said it before and I’ll say it again. There was never any advantage for liberty lovers in electing trump over HRC.

You can say it forever but it will always be wrong.

https://images.csmonitor.com/csm/2017/02/1028095_1_0216-Neil-Gorsuch.jpg_standard.jpg?alias=standard_900x600nc

nikcers

03-27-2018, 07:48 PM

You can say it forever but it will always be wrong.
The Hillary would of never gotten the cloud act passed without any political fallout. The establishment has every advantage by using Trump instead of Clinton. People are just too fucking stupid when it comes to Trump. They think oh he doesn't even know what a cloud is, who could blame him. THATS THE REASON WHY HE SHOULDN'T BE PRESIDENT.

Brian4Liberty

03-27-2018, 07:56 PM

Bolton and Trump...

5964

Raginfridus

03-27-2018, 08:05 PM

Except Theoden was a noble man.

undergroundrr

03-27-2018, 09:46 PM

Bolton and Trump...

5964

Trump has nothing in common with Theoden.

r3volution 3.0

03-27-2018, 09:50 PM

Except Theoden was a noble man.

Yes, there was never anything to corrupt in Trump.

It's more like retraining a dog than corrupting a man.

Occam's Banana

03-27-2018, 11:38 PM

Bolton and Trump...

5964

Except Theoden was a noble man.

Well ... there's also that thing where Wormtongue was advising Theoden against going to war ...

kcchiefs6465

03-28-2018, 02:45 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8MM2XLs2sI

Raginfridus

03-28-2018, 05:14 AM

Well ... there's also that thing where Wormtongue was advising Theoden against going to war ...

Yes. Otherwise it sort of works.

AZJoe

04-08-2018, 10:31 PM

José Maurício Bustani, the first director-general of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_for_the_Prohibition_of_Chemical_Weapo ns) (OPCW) states John Bolton threatened him and his family (http://truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/america-threatened-opcw-director-general-we-know-where-your-kids-are/) in 2002.

Bustani:
“It was obvious that everything (chemical weapons) had been destroyed and that there was nothing left for Iraq to be accused of in terms of still possessing chemical weapons.”

Jose Bustani was then asked by the then Under Secretary of State for Arms Control John Bolton to resign. Bustani refused.

“Bolton then came to the Hague to my office and he said you have to resign and I give you 24 hours. This is what we want”

Bustani objected on the grounds that he was elected by all members states of the OPCW, not just the U.S. Bustani alleges that Bolton physically threatened members of his family if he did not comply and immediately resign.

“If you don’t there will be consequences, there will be retaliation – we know where your kids are.”

Bustani confirmed that his two sons were in New York.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AKL8VTrO4g

AZJoe

11-12-2018, 05:54 PM

Bolton wins "Defender of Israel" award from Zionist Organization of America (ZOA), the foreign interest lobbying group that helped get him appointed. (https://www.jta.org/2018/11/05/news-opinion/zoa-gives-john-bolton-defender-israel-award)

https://www.mintpressnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Special-Features-Bolton-Declares-article-picture-6-INSTRUCTIONS-CROP-OUT-THE-PIC-OF-THE-MAN-ON-THE-FAR-RIGHT-IN-PHOTO_edited.jpg

Anti Globalist

11-12-2018, 06:50 PM

Wasn't there someone on this forum who predicted that Bolton would only have this job for 4 months?

enhanced_deficit

11-12-2018, 09:14 PM

Wasn't there someone on this forum who predicted that Bolton would only have this job for 4 months?

He's a keeper; with such impressive globalist credentials, he'll probably stays till the end.

To give credit to MAGA, he's getting bit more consistent in his pro-globalist actions now as he moves farther from double-speak of pre-election platitudes.

Trump to award Sheldon Adelson's wife with a Medal of Freedom (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?528305-Trump-to-award-Sheldon-Adelson-s-wife-with-a-Medal-of-Freedom&)

AZJoe

11-14-2018, 05:48 AM

RPI (http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org)NEOCON WATCH (http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/neocon-watch/) : Melania Trump Kneecaps Top Bolton Aide (http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/neocon-watch/2018/november/13/melania-trump-kneecaps-top-bolton-aide/)

In a refreshingly - and shockingly - frank statement, the relatively quiet First Lady has issued a statement through her spokeswoman today making it clear that top National Security Council aide Mira Ricardel needs to hit the bricks.

Ricardel, Deputy National Security Adviser under John Bolton, is said to have (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/first-lady-melania-trumps-office-calls-for-firing-of-white-house-national-security-official/2018/11/13/1b4c3f28-e77d-11e8-bbdb-72fdbf9d4fed_story.html?utm_term=.bb5a8f333ae9) "berated people in meetings, yelled at professional staff, argued with the first lady and spread rumors about [Defense Secretary] Mattis." But denying NSC resources to the First Lady in support of Melania Trump's recent trip to Africa may have been the last straw. …

According to, Stephanie Grisham, the First Lady's spokeswoman, "It is the position of the Office of the First Lady that she no longer deserves the honor of serving in this White House." …

Ricardel is firmly in the Bolton wing and has repeatedly clashed with White House Chief of Staff Kelly and Defense Secretary Mattis. While it is currently unclear (https://twitter.com/EamonJavers/status/1062446225092423680?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet) whether Ricardel has actually been fired, the reported move by the First Lady marks her most public foray into personnel issues. Is the First Lady looking out for President Trump's flank as second-tier neocon attack dogs nip at his ankles? …

What does that mean for the NSC's top dog? Might the days of John "Regime Change" Bolton be numbered …

Last month Bolton's chief of staff, Fred Fleitz, unexpectedly resigned his position after just a couple of months on the job. …

shakey1

11-14-2018, 09:41 AM

What does that mean for the NSC's top dog? Might the days of John "Regime Change" Bolton be numbered …

Keep a good thought.:pray:

AZJoe

12-30-2018, 12:36 PM

RPI (http://ronpaulinstitute.org): Two Strikes on Bolton...Why Wait For a Third? (http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2018/december/28/two-strikes-on-boltonwhy-wait-for-a-third/?fbclid=IwAR2RV1-VQ-fp2uvaCN38-4oNl8xEB1JddaW5x48ABAcIKf0dAgjLMY0frh8)

President Trump’s foreign policy appointments have frequently been difficult to reconcile with the views he has often expressed. The most disappointing was the appointment of John Bolton … Bolton is a long-time and very vocal advocate of regime change and military initiatives overseas …

Two important Bolton failures have recently been widely reported.

In the first instance, President Trump was meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping at the G-20 in early December to discuss trade policy. At the same time, and unbeknownst to President Trump, Bolton asked Canada to arrest Meng Wanzouh, one of China’s most important business executives, as she changed planes in Vancouver. … At a minimum, Bolton’s failure to make the President aware of his actions denied the President the option of delaying any request for her arrest until a later date.

The second incident was President Trump’s telephone call with Turkish President Recep Erdogan discussing the situation in Syria. Ending our presence in Syria has been among President Trump’s most important foreign policy objectives … when President Erdogan asked why American troops were still in Syria even after ISIS had been defeated, President Trump turned to Bolton, who was listening to the call, and asked if that was true. Bolton (knowing that President Erdogan was listening) was forced to respond that it was. …

Trump’s recent decision to hasten Secretary Mattis’ departure is a welcome sign that the President recognizes he’s in charge. Bolton may have been very careful until recently, but it is now clear that he has little regard for the President and the President’s priorities. It is difficult to believe he didn’t recognize his obligation to keep the President informed during delicate trade talks. Failing to share the knowledge, recognized by most of the world’s armed forces, that ISIS had been defeated in Syria can only have been intentional.

John Bolton’s already had two strikes. With the stakes so high, why wait for a third? President Trump should fire Bolton. …

enhanced_deficit

12-30-2018, 01:15 PM

I give Bolton a projected tenure of about 4 months. He ain't got what it takes.

Looks like he's a keeper. There were rumors that he was favored by MAGA's top funder and Israel supporter Shedlon "US should drop Atom Bomb on Iran" Adelson (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?528301-Hollywood-stars-and-MAGA-s-top-donor-raise-record-60m-for-Israel-army&p=6706724&viewfull=1#post6706724). So he's probably not going anywehere anytime soon.

UWDude

12-30-2018, 03:45 PM

He will be the one to decide what intelligence is briefed to the president every day. With someone as gullible as Trump in charge, that seems extremely dangerous.

Trump might just ignore him, and pull out of Syria, while your hero Hillary brays about how the US needs to stay in Syria.

Trump is sooo gullible he ignored all his MIC commanders and his SoS, and commanded they pull out of Syria, after they passive-aggressively ignored his original draw-down command for 8 months.

UWDude

12-30-2018, 03:53 PM

Did he predict John Bolton would eventually be guiding foreign policy? Cos I did.

Did he say trump was going to be the greatest gift ever given to neoconservatism? Cos I did.

You are so prophetic!!

John Bolton DID INDEED tell Trump to get out of Syria, and the Neocons love he is leaving!

Please, tell us more of your deep, insightful prognostications!

(this thread is a gold mine of the people who have been wrong about Trump since he announced his candidacy being wrong about him, still being woefully wrong! XD XD XD)

UWDude

12-30-2018, 03:55 PM

The Hillary would of never gotten the cloud act passed without any political fallout. The establishment has every advantage by using Trump instead of Clinton. People are just too $#@!ing stupid when it comes to Trump. They think oh he doesn't even know what a cloud is, who could blame him. THATS THE REASON WHY HE SHOULDN'T BE PRESIDENT.

Remember that time, during the elections, I said you were making pro-hillary statements, and you said if I proved it, you would self-perma-ban your shill ass from here?

Remember I then found two statements, one where you claimed Trump would start WW III, and one where you said Hillary would not start WW III?

remember that? You should have self-banned then.

But nope, here you still are, shilling for Hillary, long after the election.
Still trying to tell everyone they are exactly the same.

Same shill tactics, two years later.

UWDude

12-30-2018, 03:59 PM

We're up to one hour and forty minutes of video required to understand the 75D chess moves.

We're up to the 1075th 68d chess move by trump.
Many see it and explain it, (especially Scott Adams) but it fails to register on simple minds.
You guys will never get it, or understand.

UWDude

12-30-2018, 04:00 PM

Looks like he's a keeper. There were rumors that he was favored by MAGA's top funder and Israel supporter Shedlon "US should drop Atom Bomb on Iran" Adelson (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?528301-Hollywood-stars-and-MAGA-s-top-donor-raise-record-60m-for-Israel-army&p=6706724&viewfull=1#post6706724). So he's probably not going anywehere anytime soon.

It is now obvious, Bolton is not commander in Chief.
The commander in Chief is President Donald J. Trump.
And it is now obvious his advisors serve him, and not visa versa.

UWDude

12-30-2018, 04:02 PM

pcosmar

12-30-2018, 08:07 PM

I guess you were right after all, then.

How many Troops have been pulled out of Syria? Because they are still protecting ISIS assets as of today.

It is more talk that I'll believe when I see ,,,, and not because it was said in a tweet.

enhanced_deficit

12-30-2018, 09:25 PM

It is now obvious, Bolton is not commander in Chief.
The commander in Chief is President Donald J. Trump.
And it is now obvious his advisors serve him, and not visa versa.

That's what separates strong leaders from others, they are not so feeble minded or weak that make war and peace decisions on whims of some neocons planted advisor like Bolton. They don't act on the advice of the last person who mixed the right amount of ego boosting flattery with a dumb policy advice into their ears.

https://video.newsserve.net/700/v/20170409/1704091538-Ivanka-May-Have-Convinced-Trump-To-Bomb-Syria.jpg

Now if we were discussing reality TV stars with perpetual need for ego boosting flattery, that would be a whole different topic.

Occam's Banana

12-30-2018, 10:05 PM

Well ... there's also that thing where Wormtongue was advising Theoden against going to war ...
I guess you were right after all, then.
Bolton and the Neocons are advising Trump to pull out of Syria!

What the hell are you jabbering about? :confused:

You do realize that I was pointing out how an analogy between Bolton-and-Trump and Wormtongue-and-Theoden is not a good one, don't you?

No, wait, of course you don't. You're too caught up in the throes of being an obnoxious jackass. So I guess I'll have to spell it out for you ...

Wormtongue advised Theoden against going to war. "Bolton and the Neocons" advise Trump in favor of going to war.

Therefore - and here's the tricky bit, so try to keep up - the analogy isn't good precisely because it is not the case that "Bolton and the Neocons are advising Trump to pull out of Syria" ...

(in your upside down worlds, anyways, talk about tying yourselves into pretzels to make your worldview fit reality!)

Talk about tying yourself into pretzels in order to spit venom at someone because you're too goddam clueless to comprehend what was actually being said ... :rolleyes:

nikcers

01-02-2019, 11:43 PM

Remember that time, during the elections, I said you were making pro-hillary statements, and you said if I proved it, you would self-perma-ban your shill ass from here?

Remember I then found two statements, one where you claimed Trump would start WW III, and one where you said Hillary would not start WW III?

remember that? You should have self-banned then.

But nope, here you still are, shilling for Hillary, long after the election.
Still trying to tell everyone they are exactly the same.

Same shill tactics, two years later.

Not a self ban I got other hobbies besides politics. I am not a professional, I don't do this for a living. You claimed I was British last time you tried this shit you are lucky I didn't screen shot it because they deleted it after I told you to cut your bullshit out. You are equating criticism of John Bolton to being a Hillary shill. Rand Paul did that for the first year of Trump's presidency, why are you so simple minded that you can't see that I just don't fucking like John fucking Bolton? I wouldn't like John Bolton if Ron Paul picked him for his cabinet either. It has nothing to do with Trump, its the people executing the executive execution machine.

UWDude

01-03-2019, 01:32 AM

The establishment has every advantage by using Trump instead of Clinton.

remember during the elections, when you kept saying that Trump was a Hillary fall guy? remember when you were saying they actually were allied together?

Not a self ban

Yeah, you said you would self ban if I could prove you said something good about Hillary.
I pointed out you said in one post Trump WOULD start ww III, and in another post you said Hillary WOULD NOT start WW III.

Even to this day, you still try to hide you secretly wish Hillary had won.

The establishment has every advantage by using Trump instead of Clinton.
I mean you don't hide it too well, but you still try.

nikcers

01-03-2019, 04:03 AM

remember during the elections, when you kept saying that Trump was a Hillary fall guy? remember when you were saying they actually were allied together?

Yeah, you said you would self ban if I could prove you said something good about Hillary.
I pointed out you said in one post Trump WOULD start ww III, and in another post you said Hillary WOULD NOT start WW III.

Even to this day, you still try to hide you secretly wish Hillary had won.

I mean you don't hide it too well, but you still try.

More lies, just like when you tried to say my name is Nigel Grimmer. You have fun defending John Bolton.

The Rebel Poet

01-03-2019, 09:08 AM

More lies, just like when you tried to say my name is Nigel Grimmer. You have fun defending John Bolton.

Please stop feeding the Trumpers. The only way to put the fire out is no oxygen.

UWDude

01-03-2019, 11:03 AM

More lies

LoL

Nope.

You said you would self ban if I could prove you made a positive comment about Hillary.
I then found the pair of comments, one where you said Trump would start WW III, and one where you said Hillary would not.

The whole time, you've claimed to not like either. But it is clear, you wish Hillary had won.

So here you are, liar, still not self banned, still claiming both are the same, still claiming to be neutral.

nikcers

01-03-2019, 11:26 AM

LoL

Nope.

You said you would self ban if I could prove you made a positive comment about Hillary.
I then found the pair of comments, one where you said Trump would start WW III, and one where you said Hillary would not.

The whole time, you've claimed to not like either. But it is clear, you wish Hillary had won.

So here you are, liar, still not self banned, still claiming both are the same, still claiming to be neutral.

One of the things I said before the election was that Trump would pick John Bolton. I never said I would self ban because you took a comment out of context. You were the one that self banned when you claimed I was Nigel Grimmer and British and the admin deleted the entire thread.

UWDude

01-03-2019, 08:51 PM

One of the things I said before the election was that Trump would pick John Bolton. I never said I would self ban because you took a comment out of context. You were the one that self banned when you claimed I was Nigel Grimmer and British and the admin deleted the entire thread.

No, I was banned.

You said you would self ban if I could show a pro-Hillary comment. I did, you bailed for about a week, and then came back.

Do you know who Nigel Grimmer is?

nikcers

01-03-2019, 08:57 PM

No, I was banned.

You said you would self ban if I could show a pro-Hillary comment. I did, you bailed for about a week, and then came back.

Do you know who Nigel Grimmer is?
I didn't have a pro Hillary comment. You took a comment out of context and pasted into a different thread and claimed it was about the subject on the thread you pasted it in. You act like we are not at war with China, like I wasn't advocating for Rand Paul because I thought he had the only foreign policy that wouldn't put us at war. Go ahead though make up some more bullshit about me schilling for Hillary or anything like that, I don't really give a fuck what you say because you're probably a John Bolton schill anyways.

UWDude

01-03-2019, 09:02 PM

I didn't have a pro Hillary comment. You took a comment out of context and pasted into a different thread and claimed it was about the subject on the thread you pasted it in.

You clearly said Hillary WOULD NOT START WORLD WAR III but in another thread said Trump WOULD START WW III.

That's a pro-Hillary comment, especially for someone claiming to be "neutral".

nikcers

01-03-2019, 09:15 PM

You clearly said Hillary WOULD NOT START WORLD WAR III but in another thread said Trump WOULD START WW III.

That's a pro-Hillary comment, especially for someone claiming to be "neutral".
I never claimed Hillary wouldn't start the war, I said she couldn't lose against Trump and that they both had similar foreign policies so the outcome would be the same. I was trying to advocate for liberty, I don't like lose-lose scenarios. I don't think Trump is as bad as Clinton and I never stated that, I just stated that the outcome would be the same if you can't understand that than you aren't worth arguing with anymore. The only time I even slightly implied something to that effect was that my biggest fear with Trump is that he will be able to do whatever the establishment wants him to do with less opposition because he is more popular than Hillary. If you don't understand that Trump was the populist candidate than you aren't worth arguing with.

UWDude

01-03-2019, 09:29 PM

I never claimed Hillary wouldn't start the war,

I literally quoted you saying "Hillary is not going to start WW III" and then put that next to you saying that Trump would start WW III.

You bailed for like a week, but then came back.

nikcers

01-03-2019, 09:33 PM

I literally quoted you saying "Hillary is not going to start WW III" and then put that next to you saying that Trump would start WW III.

You bailed for like a week, but then came back.

That wasn't you, that was another forum member who taught me about the NAP and property rights and that the libertarian party wouldn't work because they didn't nominate someone who understands libertarian philosophy. So yeah I didn't go on here for a minute because all it was doing was causing people to argue over whether not supporting Trump would be a vote for Clinton. I wasn't going to support Trump or Clinton. If Trump doesn't put us at war with Iran I might support him in 2020.

enhanced_deficit

04-12-2019, 07:40 AM

Looking back, what a great America-First pick this was. Best of the best.

Cap

04-12-2019, 07:53 AM

Looking back, what a great America-First pick this was. Best of the best.I know it, he's the gift that just keeps on giving. A truly MAGA American.

Anti Globalist

04-12-2019, 09:41 AM

I give Bolton a projected tenure of about 4 months. He ain't got what it takes.
Well its been a year and 1 month and hasn't been fired yet.

enhanced_deficit

04-14-2019, 08:21 PM

Well its been a year and 1 month and hasn't been fired yet.

He's a keeper because he has approval of MAGA's top American* funder and lobbies like ZOA.

Firestarter

05-23-2019, 08:07 AM

John Bolton is associated to the “right wing” Zionist Gatestone Institute that is part of the SCL Group that is controlled by the British Royal degenerates and associated to Russia and Israel.

In 2017, John Bolton was awarded “The Guardian of Zion Award” by Ingeborg Rennert.
https://archive.is/oWWyJ/0333128854be2eb198471e474162945ebbf64c9d.png
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?520558-Trump-Election-Consultant-Firm-Cambridge-Analytica-Execs-Caught-Discussing-Extortion-Fake-News&p=6695133&viewfull=1#post6695133

enhanced_deficit

05-23-2019, 08:27 AM

In 2017, John Bolton was awarded “The Guardian of Zion Award” by Ingeborg Rennert.
https://archive.is/oWWyJ/0333128854be2eb198471e474162945ebbf64c9d.png
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?520558-Trump-Election-Consultant-Firm-Cambridge-Analytica-Execs-Caught-Discussing-Extortion-Fake-News&p=6695133&viewfull=1#post6695133

But good news is that MAGA is not a 'perfect little puppet' like Rubo:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?529824-Why-Trump-is-not-applauded-as-the-first-self-funded-POTUS-non-puppet-of-lobbies&p=6801536&viewfull=1#post6801536

https://i2.wp.com/johngaltfla.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/DONALD_J_TRUMP_SELFFUNDING_CAMPAIGNTWEET_jgfla.jpg
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Philip Weiss (https://mondoweiss.net/author/philweiss/) on April 7, 2019 35 Comments (https://mondoweiss.net/2019/04/adelsons-greatest-jerusalem/#comments)

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Sheldon Adelson at the RJC, from Amichai Stein's twitter feed. April 6, 2019.