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Swordsmyth
03-22-2018, 02:10 AM
A Michigan candidate for US Senate, Brian Ellison, who is expected to be the Libertarian party’s candidate in the November midterm election, set his sights on raising (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/03/michigan_libertarian_us_senate.html) at least $10,000 to buy 20 pump-action shotguns and provide training for homeless people. Ellison is calling his fundraising campaign “Arm the Homeless,” and the drive has already made international news.
https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/Brian-Ellison.jpg
Saying that homeless people are “constantly victims of violent crime,” Ellison believes that providing the homeless with firearms to defend themselves would serve to act as a deterrent.
A 2014 study, (http://www.nhchc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/vv-29-1_ptr_a8_122-136.pdf) entitled Violence and Victims, highlights the disparity in violent victimization of homeless individuals versus the general population:

Individuals who are homeless have an increased risk of experiencing myriad social problems including victimization and violence. The prevalence of violent victimization in the homeless population has been estimated to range from 14% to 21% and approximately one-third report having witnessed a physical attack on another person who was homeless. This rate of violence is highly disparate when compared to the general population in which only 2% report experiencing a violent crime.
When Ellison was asked (http://michiganradio.org/post/us-senate-candidate-wants-buy-guns-homeless-people) by Michigan Radio if he trusted the homeless people with guns, he questioned why there was judgement and bias against homeless people.

“I don’t know why the homeless are viewed as such a different type of people as the rest of us. I carry a gun with me all the time, and I don’t victimize anyone. I wouldn’t expect that the homeless would use their weapons to fight off the police who are asking them to leave. I think the homeless would use their weapons to protect themselves from being victims of violent crimes,” he said.
“Not only are the homeless constantly under threat from would-be criminals,” said Ellison, “but they are also under threat from governments at various levels that criminalize activities that homeless people rely on for survival.”
Ellison, a veteran who served in Iraq, told (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/15/us-senate-candidate-proposes-arming-homeless-people-with-shotguns) The Guardian that he decided to run for office “just to try and make a difference.” While he admitted that his “Arm the Homeless” campaign has shock value— meant to bring attention to his campaign— Ellison said he believes that as a third-party candidate going up against well-funded Democratic and Republican opponents, shock value is necessary to break the media marginalization of third-party candidates. And while the shock value gets publicity, he said the true intent of the campaign is to bring more attention to the high rates of violence experienced by homeless individuals and their dehumanization.
When asked by The Guardian, as to whether he thought his plan was dangerous, Ellison responded with a question of his own.

“Well, are you worried about the police being armed with military weapons?” he asked.
“I am. The world we live in is a scary world, where the police who used to dress in short-sleeved shirts and carry a revolver now have long rifles with scopes and bulletproof vests and armoured vehicles.”
“And quite frankly that scares me much more than a homeless person trying to defend themselves with a shotgun,” he said.
Ellison noted that he would aim to “pre-qualify” homeless individuals wanting to receive one of the shotguns, and that no one would be forced to carry pump-action a firearm.

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-21/libertarian-us-senate-candidate-seeking-arm-homeless

fedupinmo
03-22-2018, 07:38 AM
I'll trade wine for a shotgun.
Also, socialism is not libertarian.

acptulsa
03-22-2018, 07:41 AM
Shouldn't a candidate talking about giving stuff away be referred to as a "libertarian" candidate? Because no matter if he calls himself libertarian or that's someone else's description, it isn't accurate.

Ender
03-22-2018, 07:58 AM
Unless he's raising the money privately- if it's gov funded then definitely not libertarian.

pcosmar
03-22-2018, 09:23 AM
Unless he's raising the money privately- if it's gov funded then definitely not libertarian.

Article said he was trying to raise it. and also stated it was for Media attention..

It is a discussion starter,, but not likely an election winner.

William Tell
03-22-2018, 12:39 PM
Raising 10K for arming the homeless is just as free market as if he spent 10K on booze. Don't see why anyone is calling him socialist etc. Free stuff is fine when done voluntarily. Christmas presents are not socialism.

nobody's_hero
03-22-2018, 12:48 PM
Bring on the neg reps, but, is this for real? Like, are we sure this guy isn't a plant to make gun owners look like nuts? 'Cause I'll be damned if that's not what it seems like to me.

All I'm gonna say is that he'd better have a good 'pre-qualification' process, considering 1/4 homeless people have some form of severe mental illness. I can pretty much envision how this would work out in the end.

Raginfridus
03-22-2018, 12:56 PM
Raising 10K for arming the homeless is just as free market as if he spent 10K on booze. Don't see why anyone is calling him socialist etc. Free stuff is fine when done voluntarily. Christmas presents are not socialism.

https://www.radioclash.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/soviet-christmas-4.jpg

Origanalist
03-22-2018, 12:56 PM
Bring on the neg reps, but, is this for real? Like, are we sure this guy isn't a plant to make gun owners look like nuts? 'Cause I'll be damned if that's not what it seems like to me.

All I'm gonna say is that he'd better have a good 'pre-qualification' process, considering 1/4 homeless people have some form of severe mental illness. I can pretty much envision how this would work out in the end.

Well, it's one way to get the mentally ill off the street..:D

Swordsmyth
03-22-2018, 12:58 PM
Bring on the neg reps, but, is this for real? Like, are we sure this guy isn't a plant to make gun owners look like nuts? 'Cause I'll be damned if that's not what it seems like to me.

All I'm gonna say is that he'd better have a good 'pre-qualification' process, considering 1/4 homeless people have some form of severe mental illness. I can pretty much envision how this would work out in the end.

There a many different concerns possible with this idea, whatever you think of it making it the centerpiece of your campaign seems designed to make libertarians look like kooks.

acptulsa
03-22-2018, 01:05 PM
Bring on the neg reps, but, is this for real? Like, are we sure this guy isn't a plant to make gun owners look like nuts? 'Cause I'll be damned if that's not what it seems like to me.

All I'm gonna say is that he'd better have a good 'pre-qualification' process, considering 1/4 homeless people have some form of severe mental illness. I can pretty much envision how this would work out in the end.

I'm sure we can all appreciate the challenge of getting publicity when you're an Unapproved Candidate. Can you say blimp? But my Lord yes, this is nothing but evidence the LP is compromised beyond repair.