Trump supports massive U.S. funding bill as shutdown looms

[Zippyjuan]

Yes, there is yet another budget deadline this Friday.


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump, in talks with congressional leaders on Wednesday, backed a $1.3 trillion spending bill meant to avert a U.S. government shutdown, even though it is expected to exclude some of his specific immigration-related funding requests.

The bill has not been formally unveiled, but aides said it will be released soon, with lawmakers hurrying to approve it and send it to Trump for enactment before a midnight Friday shutdown deadline, the latest in a series of such scrambles in 2017-2018.

The White House said in a statement that Trump, Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell and House of Representatives Speaker Paul Ryan “discussed their support for the bill.”

“They talked about their shared priorities secured in the omnibus spending bill,” the White House said.

Trump at one point wanted $25 billion included in the bill to fully fund construction of his proposed U.S.-Mexico border wall, but negotiations with Democrats to make that happen fell apart early this week, according to congressional aides.

Instead, Trump will get $1.6 billion more for border security this year, aides said. The White House said it will help pay for more than 100 miles of wall. A source familiar with the negotiations said the legislation would fund 33 miles of new border fencing and levees, but not a concrete wall.

Major bills in the Senate generally need 60 votes to advance, meaning at least nine Democrats will have to support voting on the spending package.

The source said the bill will not pay for more immigration detention beds or hiring more U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, which Trump had sought to help advance his goal of deporting more undocumented people.

The bill will also allocate money for the Gateway rail tunnel under the Hudson River connecting New York and New Jersey and serving both Amtrak and New Jersey commuter trains, the source said, despite a veto threat by Trump.

Congressional aides said the bill will include new money for the Pentagon, infrastructure, combating Russian election hacking and some modest gun legislation, as well as a fix to a “grain glitch” in last year’s major tax law overhaul.

The bill will provide a $307 million increase above the administration’s request for counter-intelligence efforts to fight Russian cyberattacks in 2018, when mid-term congressional elections will be held, and $380 million for grants to states secure U.S. election systems.

More at link.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fiscal-congress/congress-unveils-1-3-trillion-spending-bill-as-shutdown-looms-idUSKBN1GX1JD?il=0

[oyarde]

Shut it down . Cut some spending next time .

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Trump supports massive U.S. funding bill as shutdown looms

LOL. As if the government ever shuts down. Much ado about nothing. For decades now.

[acptulsa]

The bill will also allocate money for the Gateway rail tunnel under the Hudson River connecting New York and New Jersey and serving both Amtrak and New Jersey commuter trains...

Steal from the poor and give to two of the richest states in the nation.

[Swordsmyth]

Yes, there is yet another budget deadline this Friday.



More at link.

You didn't include a link so I can't tell if this is newer or older information:

Trump Having "Second Thoughts" About Omnibus Spending Deal (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-21/congress-agrees-border-security-package-nyc-tunnel-funding-final-budget-deal)

[Swordsmyth]

Steal from the poor and give to two of the richest states in the nation.

Trump threatens veto over Gateway tunnel funding (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?520157-Trump-threatens-veto-over-Gateway-tunnel-funding&highlight=Gateway)

[TheCount]

$1.3 trillion. Annual deficit over $1 trillion.

[Anti-Neocon]

He just needed that massive MIC buildup.

Got $1.6 Billion to start Wall on Southern Border, rest will be forthcoming. Most importantly, got $700 Billion to rebuild our Military, $716 Billion next year...most ever. Had to waste money on Dem giveaways in order to take care of military pay increase and new equipment.
He probably just likes the idea of a lot of big toys.

[TheCount]

He just needed that massive MIC buildup.

He probably just likes the idea of a lot of big toys.
His entire life and career is based upon spending other people's money.

[Zippyjuan]

You didn't include a link so I can't tell if this is newer or older information:

Trump Having "Second Thoughts" About Omnibus Spending Deal (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-21/congress-agrees-border-security-package-nyc-tunnel-funding-final-budget-deal)

Updated to add Reuters link.

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/huge-budget-bill-clears-hurdle-nears-final-house-vote


Huge budget bill clears hurdle, nears final House vote

WASHINGTON — A sweeping $1.3 trillion budget bill that substantially boosts military and domestic spending but leaves behind young immigrant “Dreamers” cleared an important procedural hurdle Thursday as lawmakers struggled to meet a Friday deadline to fund the government or face a shutdown.

The bill negotiated by congressional leaders, who hope for a final House vote later in the day, would deprive President Donald Trump of some of his border wall money and take only incremental steps to address gun violence. It also would substantially increase the federal deficit.

House members voted narrowly, 211-207, to begin debate and move toward a vote that would then send the bill to the Senate.

Although some conservative Republicans balked at the size of the spending increases and the rush to pass the bill, the White House said the president backed the legislation.

Trump himself sounded less than enthused, tweeting late Wednesday: “Had to waste money on Dem giveaways in order to take care of military pay increase and new equipment.”

Talks had stretched into Wednesday night before the 2,232-page text was finally made public.

“No bill of this size is perfect,” said House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis. “But this legislation addresses important priorities and makes us stronger at home and abroad.”

Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland, the No. 2 Democrat in the House, complained that the late-night release left lawmakers with too little time to examine the massive bill before voting on it.

“This is an abomination of the legislative process,” Hoyer thundered, holding up a bulky print-out as debate on the measure began. He invited any lawmaker who had read the entire bill to join him in the well of the House. No one did. Hoyer then admitted he hadn’t read the bill either.

Despite those complaints, congressional leaders were hoping to approve the bill in the House later Thursday and send it to the Senate for a final vote. A stopgap measure may be needed to ensure federal offices aren’t hit with a partial shutdown at midnight Friday when funding for the government expires.

Negotiators have been working for days — and nights — on details of the bill, which is widely viewed as the last major piece of legislation likely to move through Congress in this election year. Lawmakers in both parties sought to attach their top priorities.

Rand Paul was critical about the size of the spending bill.

[dannno]

Due to the hard work of advocates the bill includes the text of the Rohrabacher-Blumenauer amendment.
The amendment, which has appeared in previous versions of the annual appropriations bill protects medical cannabis patients and programs from federal interference by the Department of Justice. Due to the recession of the Cole, Ogden, and other memos by Attorney General Sessions, this amendment is the only thing that prevents large-scale federal raids and prosecutions against businesses and individuals complying with state laws. The full text of the amendment is below:


SEC. 538. None of the funds made available under this Act to the Department of Justice may be used, with respect to any of the States of Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming, or with respect to the District of Columbia, Guam, or Puerto Rico, to prevent any of them from implementing their own laws that authorize the use, distribution, possession, or cultivation of medical marijuana.

[r3volution 3.0]

You didn't include a link so I can't tell if this is newer or older information:

Trump Having "Second Thoughts" About Omnibus Spending Deal (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-21/congress-agrees-border-security-package-nyc-tunnel-funding-final-budget-deal)



To be clear, his concern was that the bill didn't spend enough on the wall.

He had and has no objection to massive and growing government.

Incidentally, here's the 2000+ page bill (http://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20180319/BILLS-115SAHR1625-RCP115-66.pdf) if anyone cares to read it.

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/03/22/congress-spending-bill-march-2018/


Here’s what Congress is stuffing into its $1.3 trillion spending bill

WASHINGTON — Congressional negotiators reached a tentative agreement Wednesday night on a $1.3 trillion federal spending bill, releasing it to the public just 52 hours before a government shutdown deadline. The draft bill runs 2,232 pages, and we’re going through it so you don’t have to. Here are some key highlights:

Overall spending: The “omnibus” appropriations bill doles out funding for the remainder of fiscal 2018 – that is, until Sept. 30 – to virtually every federal department and agency pursuant to the two-year budget agreement Congress reached in February. Under that agreement, defense spending generally favored by Republicans is set to jump $80 billion over previously authorized spending levels, while domestic spending favored by Democrats rises by $63 billion. The defense funding includes a 2.4 percent pay raise for military personnel and $144 billion for Pentagon hardware. The domestic spending is scattered across the rest of the federal government, but lawmakers are highlighting increases in funding for infrastructure, medical research, veterans programs and efforts to combat the opioid epidemic. Civilian federal employees get a 1.9 percent pay raise, breaking parity with the military for the first time in several years.

Border wall: The bill provides $1.6 billion for barriers along the U.S.-Mexico border, but with some serious strings attached. Of the total, $251 million is earmarked specifically for “secondary fencing” near San Diego, where fencing is already in place; $445 million is for no more than 25 miles of “levee fencing”; $196 million is for “primary pedestrian fencing” in the Rio Grande Valley; $445 million is for the replacement of existing fencing in that area; and the rest is for planning, design and technology – not for wall construction. The biggest catch is this: The barriers authorized to be built under the act must be “operationally effective designs” already deployed as of last March, meaning none of President Donald Trump’s big, beautiful wall prototypes can be built.

Immigration enforcement: The bill bumps up funding for both U.S. Customs and Border Protection and for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement – delivering increases sought by the Trump administration. But there are significant restrictions on how that new money can be spent. Democrats pushed for, and won, limitations on hiring new ICE interior enforcement agents and on the number of undocumented immigrants the agency can detain. Under provisions written into the bill, ICE can have no more than 40,354 immigrants in detention by the time the fiscal year ends in September. But there is a catch: The Homeland Security secretary is granted discretion to transfer funds from other accounts “as necessary to ensure the detention of aliens prioritized for removal.”

Infrastructure: Numerous transportation programs get funding increases in the bill, but the debate leading up to its release focused on one megaproject: The Gateway program, aimed at improving rail access to and from Manhattan on Amtrak and New Jersey Transit. Trump made it a signature fight, largely to punish Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., and other Democratic backers of the project who have held up other Trump initiatives, and Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao told Congress this month that the project simply wasn’t ready for prime time. The project is not mentioned in the bill, and Republican aides say that they turned back efforts to essentially earmark federal funding for the project. But Democrats say that the project is still eligible for as much as $541 million in funding this fiscal year through accounts that Chao does not control. The project might also still qualify for other pools of money, though it will have to compete with other projects on an equal playing field.

Health care: Left out of the bill was a health-care measure sought by GOP Sens. Susan Collins of Maine and Lamar Alexander of Tennessee that would have allowed states to establish high-risk pools to help cover costly insurance claims while restoring certain payments to insurers under the Affordable Care Act. Trump, who ended the “cost-sharing reduction” payments in the fall, supported the Collins-Alexander language. But Democrats opposed it because they claimed it included language expanding the existing prohibition on federal funding for abortions.

Guns: The bill includes the Fix NICS Act, bipartisan legislation aimed at improving the National Instant Criminal Background Check System that is used to screen U.S. gun buyers. It provides for incentives and penalties to encourage federal agencies and states to send records to the federal database in an effort to prevent the type of oversight that preceded last year’s church massacre in Sutherland Springs, Texas. Democrats pushed for more aggressive gun laws, including universal background checks, but only won a minor concession: Language in the report accompanying the bill clarifying that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention can, in fact, conduct research into gun violence. A long-standing rider known as the Dickey Amendment, which states that no CDC funds “may be used to advocate or promote gun control,” has been interpreted in the past to bar such research. The amendment itself remains.

Taxes: The so-called grain glitch, a provision in the new GOP tax law that favored farmer-owned cooperatives over traditional agriculture corporations by providing a significantly larger tax benefit for sales to cooperatives, is undone in the bill. Farm-state lawmakers and farming groups said that without a fix, the tax law could disrupt the farm economy and even put some companies out of business. The spending bill tweaks the tax law to level the playing field between sales to coops and corporations. Democrats in exchange got a 12.5 percent increase in annual allocations for a low-income housing tax credit for four years.

Internal Revenue Service: Despite the administration’s attempts to slash its budget, lawmakers grant $11.431 billion to the nation’s tax collectors, a $196 million year-to-year increase and $456 million more than Trump requested. The figure includes $320 million to implement changes enacted as part of the GOP tax overhaul plan.

Opioids: The bill increases funding to tackle the opioid epidemic, a boost that lawmakers from both parties hailed as a win. The legislation allocates more than $4.65 billion across agencies to help states and local governments on efforts toward prevention, treatment and law enforcement initiatives. That represents a $3 billion increase over 2017 spending levels.

Foreign policy: Included in the spending bill is the Taylor Force Act. Named after an American who was killed by a Palestinian in 2016, the measure curtails certain economic assistance to the Palestinian Authority until it stops financially supporting convicted terrorists and their families. It unanimously passed the House last year.

Baseball: Should the bill pass, some minor-league ballplayers could see a raise this year – but only barely. The Save America’s Pastime Act exempts pro baseball players from federal labor laws and has been a major lobbying priority for Major League Baseball ever since minor-league players began suing the league in recent years for paying them illegally low wages. The version in the bill only exempts players working under a contract that pays minimum wage, but there are major loopholes: The contract only has to pay minimum wage for a 40-hour workweek during the season, not spring training or the offseason – and it includes no guarantee of overtime even though baseball prospects routinely work long hours. Thus, under the bill, a player is guaranteed a minimum salary of $1,160 a month. The current minor-league minimum is $1,100 a month.

Election security: The bill provides $380 million to the federal Election Assistance Commission to make payments to states to improve election security and technology, and the FBI is set to receive $300 million in counterintelligence funding to combat Russian hacking.

Congressional misconduct: The House appears to have gone further than the Senate to address concerns about how allegations of sexual harassment and misconduct are handled on Capitol Hill. The House set aside $4 million to pay for mandatory workplace rights training and plans to create a new Office of Employee Advocacy to assist employees in proceedings before the Office of Compliance or House Ethics Committees. House leaders also made a point of highlighting plans to expand the House Day Care Center. But senators failed to reach agreement on making changes to how allegations of wrongdoing are handled, so they won’t be included in the bill.

Congressional Research Service: The bill mandates that reports published by Congress’s in-house researchers be published online for public consumption. Historically, such reports have not been easy to access online, and a House Appropriations subcommittee took the lead last year in finally forcing transparency.

District of Columbia: The nation’s capital will see a slight dip in its federal funding. Lawmakers provide $721 million in direct federal funding to the District, a $35 million drop from last year – due mostly to a $22 million cut in emergency planning money that was used to prepare for the 2017 presidential inauguration. Lawmakers also kept out GOP attempts to block the District’s budget autonomy act and its assisted suicide law.

Religion and politics: The federal ban on tax-exempt churches engaging in political activity, known as the Johnson Amendment, will continue, despite attempts by Trump and GOP lawmakers to rescind it.

Jury duty: If you serve on a federal jury, your daily pay rate will increase to $50 per day – a bipartisan win sought in part after two dozen federal grand jurors in Washington petitioned House and Senate judiciary committee members last fall, saying the current pay rate is “abysmal,” below the minimum wage and a hardship.

Secret Service: The agency responsible for protecting the president and his family gets $2.007 billion, including $9.9 million for overtime worked without pay in 2017 and $14 million to construct a taller and stronger fence around the White House. In a win for congressional Democrats concerned about Secret Service agents protecting Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump on overseas business trips, the bill includes language requiring an annual report on travel costs for people protected by the service – including the adult children of presidents.

Restaurant tips: In December, the Labor Department proposed a rule that would allow employers such as restaurant owners to “pool” their employees’ tips and redistribute them as they saw fit – including, potentially, to themselves. That generated a bipartisan outcry, and the bill spells out explicitly in law that tip pooling is not permitted: “An employer may not keep tips received by its employees for any purposes, including allowing managers or supervisors to keep any portion of employees’ tips, regardless of whether or not the employer takes a tip credit.”

Yucca Mountain: The legislation blocks attempts by the Energy Department to restart a moribund nuclear storage program at the mountain in the Silver State. Former Senate majority leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., was a fierce opponent of the measure. Sens. Dean Heller, R-Nev. – the most embattled GOP incumbent up for reelection this year – and Catherine Cortez Masto, D-Nev., proved that they, too, can stop a federal program that is widely unpopular in their state from starting again.

FBI: The spending bill grants the agency $9.03 billion for salaries and expenses, a $263 million jump over the last fiscal year and $307 million more than the Trump administration requested. The bill does not include any funding for the construction of a new FBI headquarters, a win for Sen. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., a member of the Senate Appropriations Committee. According to aides familiar with the move, the senator sought to block new construction funding in response to the administration’s plans to keep the FBI headquarters in downtown Washington instead of moving it to suburban Virginia or Maryland.

Asian carp: The invasive species has wreaked havoc in the Great Lakes region, and lawmakers from states bordering the lakes touted language that forces the Army Corps of Engineers to keep working on ensuring that vessels in the Illinois River don’t carry the carp across an electric field erected to keep them out of the lakes.

Apprenticeships: Federal money for apprenticeship programs will increase by $50 million and there’s a $75 million increase for career and technical education programs. The office of House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., noted that other job training and “workforce development” programs also stand to benefit, including “more money for child care and early head start programs to help make it easier for job seekers to enter or return to the workforce.” This has been an area of concern for former “Apprentice” star Ivanka Trump.

Arts: Federal funding for the arts goes up, despite GOP attempts to slash it. The National Endowments for the Arts and Humanities will see funding climb to $152.8 million each, a $3 million increase over the last fiscal year. Trump proposed eliminating the endowments. The National Gallery of Art gets $165.9 million, a $1.04 million jump in funding. The John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts will receive $40.5 million, which is $4 million more than the last fiscal year.

Public broadcasting: Big Bird, “Antiques Roadshow” and “Masterpiece Theatre” can play on as lawmakers agreed not to cut funding for the nation’s public television and radio networks. Government funding for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting will remain at $465 million – the same level as past years. PBS and NPR draw most of their funding directly from member stations and viewers.

Extenders: The bill reauthorizes key Federal Aviation Administration programs through the end of September and extends the National Flood Insurance Program through the end of July.

[timosman]

LOL. As if the government ever shuts down. Much ado about nothing. For decades now.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?518902-Government-shutdown-def

[Anti-Neocon]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/22/paul-ryan-talks-up-the-spending-bill-for-an-audience-of-one-on-fox-friends.html

I'm proud of our President, getting his daily briefing from Fox & Friends. :toady:

[timosman]

The unholy alliance is stronger than ever:

976654851684945920

[EBounding]

lol Trump says he's considering a veto because he wants to protect the Dreamers and wants moar wall money.

977166887493799936

So Trump supporters don't care if the Dreamers stay now, right? Or the fact that Mexico isn't paying for the wall? That's all good?

[Jan2017]

Yes, there is yet another budget deadline this Friday.


So you WERE wrong before . . .

and what if President Trump vetoes this Dimocrat arse-kissing by Marathon Man Paul Ryan -
USA lawmakers voted for an omnibus spending that they didn't even fully read - again. *sigh*

[acptulsa]

SEC. 538. None of the funds made available under this Act to the Department of Justice may be used, with respect to any of the States of Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming, or with respect to the District of Columbia, Guam, or Puerto Rico, to prevent any of them from implementing their own laws that authorize the use, distribution, possession, or cultivation of medical marijuana.

So they've declared open season on Idaho, Kansas, Nebraska and South Dakota, Samoa, the Northern Marianas and the U.S. Virgin Islands?

[Jan2017]

lol Trump says he's considering a veto because he wants to protect the Dreamers and wants moar wall money.

977166887493799936

So Trump supporters don't care if the Dreamers stay now, right? Or the fact that Mexico isn't paying for the wall? That's all good?

The veto can be for whatever reason . . .
but really there's is no need for the 45th President to rubber stamp the Pelosi-Schumer spending bill -
all because Ryan and McConnell can't pull off anything even with GOP majority in the House and Senate and the GOP/populist President -
what a shame so lame a Congress majority the GOP has.

[timosman]

I would sign it and include a signing statement - I hope you fuckers next year do it in a more timely manner as this is the last time I am allowing a turd like this reach my desk.:cool:

[Jan2017]

I would sign it and include a signing statement - I hope you fuckers next year do it in a more timely manner as this is the last time I am allowing a turd like this reach my desk.:cool:

All the House and 1/3 of the Senate have re-election races in 7 months -
This could be the last GOP-controlled Congress Trump sees for the rest of this term in office(?)

[r3volution 3.0]

Press conference at the White House to begin any moment...

It's being reported that Trump will sign the bill after all, despite his concerns that it doesn't spend enough money.

[devil21]

Press conference at the White House to begin any moment...

It's being reported that Trump will sign the bill after all, despite his concerns that it doesn't spend enough money.

All hail MIC!

So Trump's saying no one read it, it's ridiculous, he hates what's in it (except moar MIC money), he hates what's left out of it, etc.

And then signs it. Dance orange monkey dance!!

[r3volution 3.0]

So, he's babbling now.

TL;DR - the MIC needs more of your money, so I've gone ahead and signed the bill.

[EBounding]

LOL he's signing it right now. But don't worry, he's "never going to sign a bill like this again".

[Brian4Liberty]

Trump signed it. His excuse is that he had to fund the military.

[r3volution 3.0]

All hail MIC!

Yup

Now he's talking about getting rid of the filibuster and giving the POTUS a line-item veto.

[devil21]

Does anybody really believe this crap about how depleted the military is?

[EBounding]

He's pretty much walking back his entire campaign. lol

[acptulsa]

He's pretty much walking back his entire campaign. lol

I thought he already did that during the campaign. I can't recall anything he said during the campaign that he didn't contradict--sometimes the same day. Except, of course, proclamations of his own greatness.

[kcchiefs6465]

He's pretty much walking back his entire campaign. lol
I just cannot believe the man who called for a preemptive strike on North Korea has appointed the man who calls for a preemptive strike on North Korea. I feel so betrayed.

And likewise, how could anyone have known that the deficit would rise under a Trump presidency? It's not like he advocated trillion dollar make work projects, an increased military budget and a true war on opioids.

Bunch of retards.

[timosman]

Does anybody really believe this crap about how depleted the military is?

It is depleted because it is too big.

[Brian4Liberty]

Those of us that lived through Schwarzenegger as Governor will recognize the pattern.

From 2015:


Rand is ahead of the curve on this. Most people wouldn't know how bad Trump would be until he was President. When Trump doesn't do the things he promised, and he starts to cut deals with the Democrats, will people get mad?

IMHO, Trump as President would be similar to Schwarzenegger as Governor. He would eventually work with the Democrats and essentially become a Democrat.

[devil21]

More F-35's....

Trump: "They're hard to see"

Me: That's because they're always in the hangar.

Defense contractor's stock prices jumping 4-5% during this speech.

[kcchiefs6465]

Those of us that lived through Schwarzenegger as Governor will recognize the pattern.

From 2015:
Essentially he has always been a big government progressive.

Someone should have started a thread to document the ridiculous amount of evidence that has ALWAYS supported this claim.

[Todd]

LOL #MAGA

[r3volution 3.0]

Does anybody really believe this crap about how depleted the military is?

Well, here's the US military in its sadly depleted state:

http://cdoovision.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/world-map-us-military-bases-hamcallcustomermap20072.png

We're aiming for something more like this:

https://i.imgur.com/gios5Jf.png

[acptulsa]

Well, here's the US military in its sadly depleted state:

http://cdoovision.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/world-map-us-military-bases-hamcallcustomermap20072.png

We're aiming for something more like this:

https://i.imgur.com/gios5Jf.png

If we were to add CIA covert ops and all the nuclear subs to that first map, we'd find we're quite a bit closer to that second one than we know.

[fcreature]

Bill signed. Trump fucked up bigly here.

Before the end of the day half his supporters in /r/The_Donald will be banned for concern trolling. Those who haven't been already. Just look at the comments. People are furious.


later boys I stick to my ideals and worship no government figure. trump is the swamp now. fuck the whole damn bill. cloud act now passed, money going to all these foreign countries. excellent work. useless ass congress and president. election means nothing if he participates in this bullshit.


He just totally lost my trust. By saying "I will never sign a bill like this again", citing blaming the dems for forcing concessions in the bill, is a load of crap. He cannot regain his integrity after such a colossal fuck up.


No wall.

No border security for us (But millions for Kuwait and Saudis and Jordan)

No winning here. Not today. He needed to veto it.


Well, there goes a re-election. I'm not happy. What a waste. Vote Rand Paul 2020.


I've freaked out on a decision he's made before and it ended up working out. This looks really really shitty right now, but I'm going to hold out that somehow the end result is something good. He's earned the benefit of my doubt, and there is a lot of doubt right now, but maybe...like his other stuff....it will workout in the end. Maybe


Trump just lost a good portion of his base with this move. Good luck winning a re-election if he isn't impeached first when the Dems take back over. This Government is a complete and utter failure. At this pace we will outspend Obama. As a father of lilttle kids I hate to think about the future we are creating for them. I'm done with Trump at this point. He would need a miracle to garner my support again.

[devil21]

Gold up $40/oz in the last two days.

[devil21]

Well, here's the US military in its sadly depleted state:

http://cdoovision.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/world-map-us-military-bases-hamcallcustomermap20072.png

We're aiming for something more like this:

https://i.imgur.com/gios5Jf.png

Being the military arm of the All Seeing Eye is expensive business, dontcha know.

[timosman]

Being the military arm of the All Seeing Eye is expensive business, dontcha know.

At least we get a good return on the money we spend - $400k/per person is quite cheap and allows the business to grow by leaps and bounds.:cool:

[EBounding]

Trumpalupus is a terminal disease. There is no recovery.

977242338815754240
977242219697659905

[dannno]

Bill signed. Trump fucked up bigly here.

Before the end of the day half his supporters in /r/The_Donald will be banned for concern trolling. Those who haven't been already. Just look at the comments. People are furious.

They'll be back.

[devil21]

It's interesting to me why Trump apparently signed the bill in private, even though he gave a speech about it, had the bill beside him and even the folder containing the signing page there. Other major bills he signs in front of the camera....but not this one. Hmm...

As much as I despise the thought of pouring through a 2300 page bill, I'm wondering what else may be in there of interest, given that Monday essentially marks the end of the petrodollar, via the petroyuan launch.

[TheCount]

Essentially he has always been a big government progressive.

Someone should have started a thread to document the ridiculous amount of evidence that has ALWAYS supported this claim.
There's a whole subforum of evidence, the 2016 election subforum.

Well, it's half evidence. The other half is white nationalists and dannno arguing against that evidence.

[dannno]

It's interesting to me why Trump apparently signed the bill in private, even though he gave a speech about it, had the bill beside him and even the folder containing the signing page there. Other major bills he signs in front of the camera....but not this one. Hmm...



He signed it like a nondisclosure agreement

[Superfluous Man]

He's pretty much walking back his entire campaign. lol

I don't think he campaigned on cutting spending. Did he?

I mean, he might have mentioned it one day and flip-flopped on it the next (I'd be surprised if he didn't). But it wasn't an issue he made much of a point about. And even in the Republican primaries, when fiscal conservatism might have been thought to be a selling point, Trump differentiated himself from the pack by being the guy who would keep the gravy train rolling, mocking those who called for cuts as people who wanted to see the elderly dying in the streets and didn't support Ethanol.

[Anti Federalist]

They'll be back.

How do you figure?

Did we ever come to a conclusion about how many people won their races that Trump actively campaigned for?

My count is zero, and some of those losses in deepest of deep red states.

The GOP is going to get destroyed in the fall, and a new Bolshevik House and Senate will serve up a whirlwind of socialist bills...which Trump will sign.

Every day, I'm thinking we'd have been better off in opposition to Killary.

[Anti Federalist]

Language in the report accompanying the bill clarifying that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention can, in fact, conduct research into gun violence

And that, my friends, is the beginning of the end.

Everybody is going to pooh pooh this off, and call me paranoid and Johnny Raincloud, but mark my words, thirty years down the road, maybe less, this will have morphed into a juggernaut of "settled science" that will be the end of the Second Amendment as we know it.

[Brian4Liberty]

977244807579033600
https://twitter.com/USAB4L/status/977244807579033600

[fcreature]

They'll be back.

Turn on Rush.

Callers are renouncing their support of Trump.

[Zippyjuan]

Never again? (Never can be just a few hours in Trump World for him to change his mind on things):

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-threatens-veto-spending-bill-over-daca-border-wall-funding-n859446


But Trump also said this would be the last time he would sign such a spending measure.

"I say to Congress: I will never sign another bill like this again," Trump promised. "Nobody read it. It's only hours old...(It's) the second largest ever. President Obama signed one that was actually larger, which I'm sure he wasn't too happy with either."

Trump also demanded that the Senate end the filibuster rule, as well as allow the president a "line-item veto for all government spending bills" going forward.



Within moments of Trump's tweet, a number of other Republicans expressed support for a veto.

Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn, encouraged the president to follow his instinct.

“Please do, Mr. President. I am just down the street and will bring you a pen,” Corker wrote. “The spending levels without any offsets are grotesque, throwing all of our children under the bus. Totally irresponsible.”

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., concurred. Paul caused the government to briefly shut down in February when he filibustered a short-term spending bill under consideration at the time.

"I agree @realDonaldTrump should veto this sad excuse for legislation because it’s $1.3 trillion in spending that (almost) no one read," he tweeted.

[Superfluous Man]

Turn on Rush.

Callers are renouncing their support of Trump.

I trust that Rush is dutifully reassuring them, and reminding them that they can't get distracted with minor things like the size of the federal budget when they have more important issues like illegal immigration to worry about.

[fcreature]

I trust that Rush is dutifully reassuring them, and reminding them that they can't get distracted with minor things like the size of the federal budget when they have more important issues like illegal immigration to worry about.

He's doing his best.

[dannno]

How do you figure?

You'll see.

You will be back, too.

All in good time.

Have a nice vacation.

[charrob]

Well, here's the US military in its sadly depleted state:

http://cdoovision.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/world-map-us-military-bases-hamcallcustomermap20072.png

We're aiming for something more like this:

https://i.imgur.com/gios5Jf.png

The map needs to be updated. Nick Turse was interviewed a few years ago and had proof that the U.S. military was in at least 90% of countries in Africa. He said it was probably more; but for sure he had concrete evidence they were in 90% of Africa. If you're interested, I'll look it up. I think he wrote a whole book about Africom. Also the map has no red dots in Iraq, Uzbekistan, Ukraine, eastern Turkey, Georgia, and our military is actually sitting in the Saudi control center in Riyadh right next to the Saudi military giving them intelligence and working with them daily on the genocide in Yemen. We're also in the UAE, Bahrain, and Qatar.

Interestingly, Ann Coulter's response to Trump's excuse that he had to sign the omnibus because of needed military spending is interesting:



Ann Coulter:

"The military is a gigantic welfare program. ... It is the most wasteful department in the history of government. ... This is corporate welfare and human welfare."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zkd3QvkppE&t=2m23s

[Raginfridus]

Trumpalupus is a terminal disease. There is no recovery.

977242338815754240
977242219697659905The president's first duty is to stfu.

[Raginfridus]

Well, here's the US military in its sadly depleted state:

http://cdoovision.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/world-map-us-military-bases-hamcallcustomermap20072.png

We're aiming for something more like this:

https://i.imgur.com/gios5Jf.png


https://youtu.be/qHepKd38pr0

https://image.ibb.co/exb8vS/20180323_235042.png
^
Those empty spots are probably the safest places in America.

[milgram]

This is going great


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zkd3QvkppE

[Danke]

TRUMP MAY HAVE BEEN A GENIUS, HERE'S POSSIBLE 3D CHESSThe following was posted to a popular forum:FOR THOSE DOUBTING TRUMP DO YOUR RESEARCH!
Research the laws, the 1974 law and statutes.
It's not an official 'Federal Budget'. It's an Omnibus bill...not a Budget...He outsmarted them again...Congress basically screwed themselves by not passing a Budget...
Per the Constitution...the President must adhere to a Budget set forth by Congress and direct the expenditures as provided therein.
This is another one of those big Porkulus Bills, like they gave Obama for 8 years. This is not a Budget.
An Omnibus Spending Bill may have some 'instructions' as to how the money will be spent...but Obama ignored them. He spent the money, or didn't spend it, however he wanted to. And Congress didn't do a thing about it! Because they couldn't.
I think our President observed how this happened, year after year. He is bound to realize that those 'appropriations' for different things in these Omnibus bills are merely 'suggestions'.
So like Obama, Pres Trump can spend this money on whatever he wants to. Or not spend it.
Planned Parenthood? What if our President decided to tell the Treas Dept to 'slow-walk' that money to Planned Parenthood until the Senate gets off their ass and confirms his appointees?
Sanctuary Cities? What if our President decided to 'slow-walk' that money too...until those Sanctuary Cities assist ICE in rounding up criminal illegal aliens?
Splodey heads? From the Dems and the Enemedia? Why yes. There would be a colorful display of splodey heads.
But what could they do about it. Hah.
Our President could just say 'What! Congress should've passed a Budget.'
Again, that is why Obama never had a Budget in his Presidency, Congress did continual Omibus's and he just took the money . . . for 8 years . . . and no one seems to know where it went.
Addendum: I'm not taking credit for this, someone sent it to me and I'm sharing it with you. I don't know 'who' actually deserves the credit for putting it together.

[kcchiefs6465]

TRUMP MAY HAVE BEEN A GENIUS, HERE'S POSSIBLE 3D CHESSThe following was posted to a popular forum:FOR THOSE DOUBTING TRUMP DO YOUR RESEARCH!
Research the laws, the 1974 law and statutes.
It's not an official 'Federal Budget'. It's an Omnibus bill...not a Budget...He outsmarted them again...Congress basically screwed themselves by not passing a Budget...
Per the Constitution...the President must adhere to a Budget set forth by Congress and direct the expenditures as provided therein.
This is another one of those big Porkulus Bills, like they gave Obama for 8 years. This is not a Budget.
An Omnibus Spending Bill may have some 'instructions' as to how the money will be spent...but Obama ignored them. He spent the money, or didn't spend it, however he wanted to. And Congress didn't do a thing about it! Because they couldn't.
I think our President observed how this happened, year after year. He is bound to realize that those 'appropriations' for different things in these Omnibus bills are merely 'suggestions'.
So like Obama, Pres Trump can spend this money on whatever he wants to. Or not spend it.
Planned Parenthood? What if our President decided to tell the Treas Dept to 'slow-walk' that money to Planned Parenthood until the Senate gets off their ass and confirms his appointees?
Sanctuary Cities? What if our President decided to 'slow-walk' that money too...until those Sanctuary Cities assist ICE in rounding up criminal illegal aliens?
Splodey heads? From the Dems and the Enemedia? Why yes. There would be a colorful display of splodey heads.
But what could they do about it. Hah.
Our President could just say 'What! Congress should've passed a Budget.'
Again, that is why Obama never had a Budget in his Presidency, Congress did continual Omibus's and he just took the money . . . for 8 years . . . and no one seems to know where it went.
Addendum: I'm not taking credit for this, someone sent it to me and I'm sharing it with you. I don't know 'who' actually deserves the credit for putting it together.
If I had to guess, Danno was the mystery person who put that piece of fan fiction together.

[goldenequity]

TRUMP MAY HAVE BEEN A GENIUS, HERE'S POSSIBLE 3D CHESSThe following was posted to a popular forum:FOR THOSE DOUBTING TRUMP DO YOUR RESEARCH!
Research the laws, the 1974 law and statutes.
It's not an official 'Federal Budget'. It's an Omnibus bill...not a Budget...He outsmarted them again...Congress basically screwed themselves by not passing a Budget...
Per the Constitution...the President must adhere to a Budget set forth by Congress and direct the expenditures as provided therein.
This is another one of those big Porkulus Bills, like they gave Obama for 8 years. This is not a Budget.
An Omnibus Spending Bill may have some 'instructions' as to how the money will be spent...but Obama ignored them. He spent the money, or didn't spend it, however he wanted to. And Congress didn't do a thing about it! Because they couldn't.
I think our President observed how this happened, year after year. He is bound to realize that those 'appropriations' for different things in these Omnibus bills are merely 'suggestions'.
So like Obama, Pres Trump can spend this money on whatever he wants to. Or not spend it.
Planned Parenthood? What if our President decided to tell the Treas Dept to 'slow-walk' that money to Planned Parenthood until the Senate gets off their ass and confirms his appointees?
Sanctuary Cities? What if our President decided to 'slow-walk' that money too...until those Sanctuary Cities assist ICE in rounding up criminal illegal aliens?
Splodey heads? From the Dems and the Enemedia? Why yes. There would be a colorful display of splodey heads.
But what could they do about it. Hah.
Our President could just say 'What! Congress should've passed a Budget.'
Again, that is why Obama never had a Budget in his Presidency, Congress did continual Omibus's and he just took the money . . . for 8 years . . . and no one seems to know where it went.
Addendum: I'm not taking credit for this, someone sent it to me and I'm sharing it with you. I don't know 'who' actually deserves the credit for putting it together.

That's not bad. + rep...

You'll prolly like this analysis too...
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/977325762087813120.html

another '3D' article w/ 2700+ comments :)
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/03/23/president-trump-reluctantly-signs-omnibus-maga-community-feels-a-little-less-great-today/


I see the Trumper cat fighting as G R E A T...
srsly... it's a good thing.
Lot's of criticism countered by some worthy critical analysis. (like what U posted.) instead of just grade school debating.

Trump is now REALLY expected by his legion of worshippers to pull off some 'magic' trick.
I'm just buying more popcorn and watching.

[nikcers]

That's not bad. + rep...

You'll prolly like this analysis too...
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/977325762087813120.html

another '3D' article w/ 2700+ comments :)
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/03/23/president-trump-reluctantly-signs-omnibus-maga-community-feels-a-little-less-great-today/


I see the Trumper cat fighting as G R E A T...
srsly... it's a good thing.
Lot's of criticism countered by some worthy critical analysis. (like what U posted.) instead of just grade school debating.

Trump is now REALLY expected by his legion of worshippers to pull off some 'magic' trick.
I'm just buying more popcorn and watching.
So Trump is going to use pork barrel spending to get Gina, Pompeo, and Bolton fast tracked and thats a good thing?

[Brian4Liberty]

This is going great


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zkd3QvkppE

LOL. Coulter is on a roll! Thanks for posting, that was great.

Don't want to listen? Short summary: She came out against military spending, neocons and the MIC.

[Brian4Liberty]

By signing this Omnibus and kicking his base in the gut, Trump has opened up the 2020 GOP primary. Until now, Trump would have won the Primary easily. Now that is seriously in doubt.

[nikcers]

LOL. Coulter is on a roll! Thanks for posting, that was great.

Don't want to listen? Short summary: She came out against military spending, neocons and the MIC.
Don't forget that she said all the people who think this is 3d chess need to be drowned. LOL

[Swordsmyth]

TRUMP MAY HAVE BEEN A GENIUS, HERE'S POSSIBLE 3D CHESS

The following was posted to a popular forum:

FOR THOSE DOUBTING TRUMP DO YOUR RESEARCH!
Research the laws, the 1974 law and statutes.
It's not an official 'Federal Budget'. It's an Omnibus bill...not a Budget...He outsmarted them again...Congress basically screwed themselves by not passing a Budget...
Per the Constitution...the President must adhere to a Budget set forth by Congress and direct the expenditures as provided therein.
This is another one of those big Porkulus Bills, like they gave Obama for 8 years. This is not a Budget.
An Omnibus Spending Bill may have some 'instructions' as to how the money will be spent...but Obama ignored them. He spent the money, or didn't spend it, however he wanted to. And Congress didn't do a thing about it! Because they couldn't.
I think our President observed how this happened, year after year. He is bound to realize that those 'appropriations' for different things in these Omnibus bills are merely 'suggestions'.
So like Obama, Pres Trump can spend this money on whatever he wants to. Or not spend it.
Planned Parenthood? What if our President decided to tell the Treas Dept to 'slow-walk' that money to Planned Parenthood until the Senate gets off their ass and confirms his appointees?
Sanctuary Cities? What if our President decided to 'slow-walk' that money too...until those Sanctuary Cities assist ICE in rounding up criminal illegal aliens?
Splodey heads? From the Dems and the Enemedia? Why yes. There would be a colorful display of splodey heads.
But what could they do about it. Hah.
Our President could just say 'What! Congress should've passed a Budget.'
Again, that is why Obama never had a Budget in his Presidency, Congress did continual Omibus's and he just took the money . . . for 8 years . . . and no one seems to know where it went.
Addendum: I'm not taking credit for this, someone sent it to me and I'm sharing it with you. I don't know 'who' actually deserves the credit for putting it together.


That's not bad. + rep...

You'll prolly like this analysis too...
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/977325762087813120.html

another '3D' article w/ 2700+ comments :)
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/03/23/president-trump-reluctantly-signs-omnibus-maga-community-feels-a-little-less-great-today/


I see the Trumper cat fighting as G R E A T...
srsly... it's a good thing.
Lot's of criticism countered by some worthy critical analysis. (like what U posted.) instead of just grade school debating.

Trump is now REALLY expected by his legion of worshippers to pull off some 'magic' trick.
I'm just buying more popcorn and watching.



The money isn't the main problem (bad as it is), the policy riders like the CLOUD act are even worse and the "omnibus" loophole won't get rid of them.

[AuH20]

LOL. Coulter is on a roll! Thanks for posting, that was great.

Don't want to listen? Short summary: She came out against military spending, neocons and the MIC.

Did you hear her little quip? The President will do what JARED WANTS!

She knows the deal. Smart woman! Ann is so based.

[AuH20]

He's bullshitting about the 1.6 billion. That money is specifically designated for fence repair. All the border wall prototypes were explictly forbidden, according to the language in the bill. Tucker already ripped him to shreds on this.

976654851684945920

[Brian4Liberty]

Don't forget that she said all the people who think this is 3d chess need to be drowned. LOL

Yeah, hold them under the water. Even funnier because IIRC, she threatened to do that to someone before. Paging GunnyFreedom... ;)

[enhanced_deficit]

Did you hear her little quip? The President will do what JARED WANTS!

She knows the deal. Smart woman! Ann is so based.

On the surface it may appear so given recent headlines:

"The Washington Post reported this week (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-jared-kushner-forged-a-bond-with-the-saudi-crown-prince/2018/03/19/2f2ce398-2181-11e8-badd-7c9f29a55815_story.html?utm_term=.f873f832fb3c) that former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster “expressed early concern that Kushner was freelancing U.S. foreign policy.” According to the Post, Tillerson once asked staffers in frustration: “Who is the secretary of state here?”"

Trump says Rex Tillerson out as Secretary of State, replaced by Mike Pompeo (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?520308-Trump-says-Rex-Tillerson-out-as-Secretary-of-State-replaced-by-Mike-Pompeo&)

BREAKING: Trump says H.R. McMaster out as National Security Advisor (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?520646-BREAKING-Trump-To-Appoint-John-Bolton-as-National-Security-Advisor&)



there is no evidence that his decisions are based on any external pressures or blackmail threats despite some recent conspiratorial media views like this.

Jared Kushner, Shanda
How the scion of one tri-state crime family married into another, in a story equal parts ‘Sopranos’ and ‘Game of Thrones.’
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/207559/jared-kushner-shanda

[AuH20]

But Jared told me that it was the right move!!! ROFL

977236368479879168

[EBounding]

977725648700690432

[Danke]

977725648700690432


Expand upon this.

is either one amendable by the CIC outside of Congress?

[EBounding]

Expand upon this.

is either one amendable by the CIC outside of Congress?


No it's all Trump fan fiction.

https://www.facebook.com/justinamash/posts/1729465727092826


I keep seeing the same absurd claim going around on social media—that the omnibus is not so bad because it’s not a budget. This is totally backward. The omnibus is law; a budget is not. A bad budget is irresponsible but toothless. The omnibus (spending bill) does the real damage.

Another bogus claim is that this letter (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/text-letter-president-speaker-house-representatives-president-senate-21/) means the president can repurpose appropriations as he likes. It means no such thing. The omnibus lets him designate some global health activity spending as emergency, so it won’t count toward the spending cap. This letter does that. It has no magical power.

The omnibus is one of the worst—and most costly—pieces of legislation ever to become law. Period. That's why I voted no.

The only way to restore limited government, economic freedom, and individual liberty is to stop falling for the lie. Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies.

Take a stand today. Be honest with yourself and with others. Don't let the lie consume you. We live in a great country with great people. We can choose to live together in liberty or instead live apart in captivity.

[undergroundrr]

No it's all Trump fan fiction.

https://www.facebook.com/justinamash/posts/1729465727092826

Such a beautiful statement by Amash. Now my sig.

[AuH20]

edit

[angelatc]

If I had to guess, Danno was the mystery person who put that piece of fan fiction together.

https://i.imgur.com/wk4XJUS.png

[nikcers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opAdGt4gOi8

[EBounding]

977979152832724992

[wizardwatson]

Trump was a question mark. No history, full of hot air, yeah, we knew...but he was certainly not speaking like a Ron or Rand, and he certainly gave no cause to assume he was going to do great things. At best he was "better than Hillary" or a straight up protest vote.

Never really took any stands I think "counted" on the good side of things, but where he went from a question mark to an 'F'-same as the rest-do what I'm told-Consitution betraying coward, was the day he decided to use our military to lob some rockets at Syria on flimsy intelligence with no diplomacy to show how "tough" he is.

After that he has always been way in the red for me. A witty con-man and/or a gangster hustler he may be, but a leader he is not.

[EBounding]

977972717357027329

[EBounding]

Justin is still trying to educate the Trumpkins for some reason:

978348000945885185

"My brother is a Supreme Court justice"
978368526351327232

978389966958088193

978079244017455104

978407941513580545

978415268262240256

[r3volution 3.0]

This is going great


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zkd3QvkppE

Trump's draining the swamp by letting them continue what they've been doing, but with more money.

I don't know what that dude's problem is...

[r3volution 3.0]

Trump was a question mark. No history

Huh...

Trump Opposition Research Thread (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?480115-Trump-Opposition-Research-Thread) (started August 11, 2015).

[Superfluous Man]

Trump was a question mark. No history, full of hot air, yeah, we knew...but he was certainly not speaking like a Ron or Rand, and he certainly gave no cause to assume he was going to do great things. At best he was "better than Hillary" or a straight up protest vote.

You give the Trump trolls too much credit.

Trump ran as by far the most extreme leftwing Republican presidential candidate of all time. He embraced that. He ran in the Republican primaries--not just the general election, but the primaries--excoriating other Republican candidates for not wanting to maintain welfare spending and ethanol subsidies exorbitantly enough. His signature issue (inconsistent as he was and still is on it) was marxist protectionist trade and immigration policies. He praised single-payer healthcare as a Republican candidate in the Republican primaries, complaining that Obmacare was not socialist enough. He openly promised to stop and frisk gun owners and take away their guns, and to use a list created by the executive branch of its own discretion without any due process as a means of prohibiting anyone he wanted for any reason he wanted from being able to buy guns, and he did this in Republican primaries, and the party rewarded his leftism with their nomination.

He has not betrayed anyone. The Trump who signed this ombibus is the Trump the Trump trolls voted and cheered for.

[nikcers]

Huh...

Trump Opposition Research Thread (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?480115-Trump-Opposition-Research-Thread) (started August 11, 2015).
The best lie that the fake news and Internet propaganda got people to believe was that he wasn't a politician. He's been a politician for decades.

[r3volution 3.0]

The best lie that the fake news and Internet propaganda got people to believe was that he wasn't a politician. He's been a politician for decades.

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article197407.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/image-6-for-rude-nature-gallery-813734038.jpg

[nikcers]

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article197407.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/image-6-for-rude-nature-gallery-813734038.jpg
I hear what you are saying, but I still don't think he is a bird. For one thing he hops around like a bunny rabbit, and birds don't generally do that, he wouldn't bounce around like a rabbit if he was a bird.

https://i.imgur.com/H1Wdec6.gif

[wizardwatson]

Huh...

Trump Opposition Research Thread (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?480115-Trump-Opposition-Research-Thread) (started August 11, 2015).


You give the Trump trolls too much credit.

Trump ran as by far the most extreme leftwing Republican presidential candidate of all time. He embraced that. He ran in the Republican primaries--not just the general election, but the primaries--excoriating other Republican candidates for not wanting to maintain welfare spending and ethanol subsidies exorbitantly enough. His signature issue (inconsistent as he was and still is on it) was marxist protectionist trade and immigration policies. He praised single-payer healthcare as a Republican candidate in the Republican primaries, complaining that Obmacare was not socialist enough. He openly promised to stop and frisk gun owners and take away their guns, and to use a list created by the executive branch of its own discretion without any due process as a means of prohibiting anyone he wanted for any reason he wanted from being able to buy guns, and he did this in Republican primaries, and the party rewarded his leftism with their nomination.

He has not betrayed anyone. The Trump who signed this ombibus is the Trump the Trump trolls voted and cheered for.

Well, I guess you're both right, I suppose. I never looked that deep at him as a surface glance was more than necessary.

The "betrayal" I referred to was with respect to the Constitution. Whether or not he "acted" like a politician while leading a private life is different than taking an oath and then betraying the oath as a public servant.

I wasn't talking about betraying the base or voters.