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Zippyjuan
03-13-2018, 07:07 PM
Trump won the district by 20 points in 2016 but this is expected to be a toss-up. Turnout will be critical. Trump claims he hasn't lost a race where he aided the candidate (forgetting about Moore and a California race where no Republican made it to the runoff which had two Democrats face each other).

https://sharedmedia.grahamdigital.com/photo/2018/03/11/trum_races_tweet_1520800916040_11776837_ver1.0_128 0_720.jpg

With 36% of the votes in:

Lamb (D) 53.9%

Saccone (R) 45.5%

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/13/politics/pennsylvania-election-latest/index.html

dannno
03-13-2018, 07:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXGpyhCdoyw

Zippyjuan
03-13-2018, 07:26 PM
With 58% in:

Lamb: 52.7%

Saccone: 46.6%

Swordsmyth
03-13-2018, 07:29 PM
candidate
%
votes


Lamb
52.7%



63,595


Saccone
46.7%



56,427


processing, est. 61% in

Zippyjuan
03-13-2018, 07:35 PM
70% in.

Lamb: 51.4%

Saccone: 47.9%

klamath
03-13-2018, 07:36 PM
Dems should be bowing down and kissing Trumps feet as he single handedly destroyed the republican party and the liberty movement. MEGA WIN.

Swordsmyth
03-13-2018, 07:37 PM
candidate
%
votes


Lamb
51.5%



75,189


Saccone
47.9%



70,005


processing, est. 71% in

dannno
03-13-2018, 07:43 PM
PennsylvaniaHouse 18est. 76% in


candidate
votes
%


Lamb
80,415
50.8%



Saccone
76,873
48.6%




(https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/pennsylvania-house-special-election)

Swordsmyth
03-13-2018, 07:44 PM
candidate
%
votes


Lamb
51.0%



82,920


Saccone
48.4%



78,746


processing, est. 78% in

Zippyjuan
03-13-2018, 07:46 PM
87% in

Lamb: 50.4%

Saccone: 49.0%

Swordsmyth
03-13-2018, 07:48 PM
candidate
%
votes


Lamb
50.4%



91,687


Saccone
49.0%



89,194


processing, est. 87% in

juleswin
03-13-2018, 07:53 PM
It seems like its going to be a close one.

Swordsmyth
03-13-2018, 07:54 PM
candidate
%
votes


Lamb
49.9%



100,029


Saccone
49.5%



99,326


processing, est. 94% in

Zippyjuan
03-13-2018, 07:57 PM
Lamb may be able to hold on. The biggest Saccone counties are basically all in (Westmoreland and Greene). One county is split (Washington) and the other (Allegheny) is going for Lamb. Allegheny has the biggest number of voters.

Swordsmyth
03-13-2018, 07:59 PM
Lamb may be able to hold on. The biggest Saccone counties are basically all in (Westmoreland and Greene). One county is split (Washington) and the other (Allegheny) is going for Lamb.

Maybe if you wish hard enough.

In any case I predict a recount.

Zippyjuan
03-13-2018, 08:08 PM
Maybe if you wish hard enough.

In any case I predict a recount.

There is a automatic recount if the difference is 0.5% or less. With about 200,000 votes cast so far, that would be about 1000- current difference is 1200 with 96% reporting so it will be close.

enhanced_deficit
03-13-2018, 08:09 PM
Dems should be bowing down and kissing Trumps feet as he single handedly destroyed the republican party and the liberty movement. MEGA WIN.

It's happening lately.


Schumer: Trump 'Made The Right Decision'
The Daily Caller-8 hours ago
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer of New York applauded President Donald Trump Tuesday after the commander in chief blocked a foreign company's takeover

Schumer applauds Trump as NRA pushes back | Fox News Video (http://video.foxnews.com/v/5743395863001/)
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video.foxnews.com/v/5743395863001/
Mar 1, 2018
President Trump winning some rare praise from the Senate's top Democrat for signaling he's open to ...




But Trump is a product of Obama years just as Obama was of Bush years. If we have to point out a single thing of late, it would be GOP majorities decision to support Iraqi freedom revenge war/other wars that followed that has led to huge damage to GOP, Dems. Symptoms can only be given so much blame.

Zippyjuan
03-13-2018, 08:10 PM
96% reporting.

Lamb 50.0% 103,768
Saccone 49.4% 102,530

Green County (Saccone) 100% in.

Westmoreland (Saccone) 99% in.

Allegheny (Lamb) 97% in.

Washington (split) 90% in. Basically waiting on them.

klamath
03-13-2018, 08:17 PM
It will be a MEGA win when the dems control veto proof majorities in congress and trump becomes a dem again so he can be a mega winner!!!


It's happening lately.


Schumer: Trump 'Made The Right Decision'
The Daily Caller-8 hours ago
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer of New York applauded President Donald Trump Tuesday after the commander in chief blocked a foreign company's takeover

Schumer applauds Trump as NRA pushes back | Fox News Video (http://video.foxnews.com/v/5743395863001/)
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video.foxnews.com/v/5743395863001/
Mar 1, 2018
President Trump winning some rare praise from the Senate's top Democrat for signaling he's open to ...

dannno
03-13-2018, 08:22 PM
PennsylvaniaHouse 18est. 96% in


candidate
votes
%


Lamb
104,697
49.9%



Saccone
103,779
49.5%




(https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/pennsylvania-house-special-election)

Dr.3D
03-13-2018, 08:24 PM
I wonder how many dead democrats voted this time.

Zippyjuan
03-13-2018, 08:24 PM
540 votes apart with 97% in. It is down to Washington County (93%). Allegheny and Westmoreland 99% reporting.

Swordsmyth
03-13-2018, 08:27 PM
candidate
%
votes


Lamb
49.8%



107,155


Saccone
49.6%



106,570


Miller
0.6%



1,304


processing, est. 98% in

klamath
03-13-2018, 08:32 PM
20 point shift toward the dems, MEGA win for Trump! Unless trumps switches to a dem I somehow suspect PA won't be a trump state next time.

dannno
03-13-2018, 08:35 PM
20 point shift toward the dems, MEGA win for Trump! Unless trumps switches to a dem I somehow suspect PA won't be a trump state next time.

What does this have to do with Trump? Do you think Rubio would have won PA against Hillary in 2016? Fuck no...

Zippyjuan
03-13-2018, 08:35 PM
Lamb picking up a bit. Lead now 700 votes. 93% of Washington in.

angelatc
03-13-2018, 08:51 PM
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Swordsmyth
03-13-2018, 08:56 PM
candidate
%
votes


Lamb
49.7%



109,945


Saccone
49.7%



109,850


Miller
0.6%



1,334


processing, est. 99% in

oyarde
03-13-2018, 08:57 PM
I wonder how many dead democrats voted this time.

In Pennsylvania ? unless things have change , a large amount .

Swordsmyth
03-13-2018, 08:57 PM
Lamb may be able to hold on. The biggest Saccone counties are basically all in (Westmoreland and Greene). One county is split (Washington) and the other (Allegheny) is going for Lamb. Allegheny has the biggest number of voters.


Maybe if you wish hard enough.

In any case I predict a recount.


There is a automatic recount if the difference is 0.5% or less. With about 200,000 votes cast so far, that would be about 1000- current difference is 1200 with 96% reporting so it will be close.

I guess you didn't wish hard enough, one recount coming up.

I wonder how much dem voter fraud will be found.

enhanced_deficit
03-13-2018, 08:58 PM
973670518959124480

Tis' the age of Trump democrats, not necessarily whom Bannon had callled 'white house democrats' (Jarvanka).

Schumer: Trump 'Made The Right Decision'
The Daily Caller-8 hours ago
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer of New York applauded President Donald Trump Tuesday ....
Schumer applauds Trump as NRA pushes back
video.foxnews.com/v/5743395863001/
Mar 1, 2018


If Schumer wins again, should Trump get credit?

axiomata
03-13-2018, 08:58 PM
Seems kinda close.

dannno
03-13-2018, 08:59 PM
I'm calling Saccone by two votes.

Swordsmyth
03-13-2018, 09:00 PM
I'm calling Saccone by two votes.

I say 5.

Dr.3D
03-13-2018, 09:02 PM
In Pennsylvania ? unless things have change , a large amount .
Well, when they catch em doing that, they should dig em up and cremate em. I doubt a can of ashes would be mistaken for a voter.

axiomata
03-13-2018, 09:02 PM
Miller by 2

Zippyjuan
03-13-2018, 09:05 PM
99% in:

lamb 49.9% 111,875

saccone 49.5% 111,028

Looks like a recount. Lamb ahead about 850.

Apparently mandatory recount only for state wide voting. They would have to request one here since it is only one district.

enhanced_deficit
03-13-2018, 09:05 PM
Lamb was ahead by 700 at 99% and sudddenly lead started decreasing. Russia did something to counting computers? Did they have latest anti-virus installed?

Swordsmyth
03-13-2018, 09:17 PM
As one reporter reminds us, there's no automatic recount provision for non-statewide Pennsylvania elections - candidates must request a recount, an outcome that is looking increasingly likely.

No auto recount in non-statewide PA elections, candidates have to request one and need reason for it
— Jonathan Martin (@jmartNYT) March 14, 2018 (https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/973742216228298752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

And another reporter points out that there are about 1,200 absentee ballots that won't be counted until tomorrow...so whatever the final outcome is, it won't be available tonight...

There are 1195 absentee ballots that will not be counted until tomorrow in Washington County #PA18 (https://twitter.com/hashtag/PA18?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) - so can the race really be decided tonight? In doubt. @CNN (https://twitter.com/CNN?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) https://t.co/r7GIBr0Ws8
— Michael Smerconish (@smerconish) March 14, 2018 (https://twitter.com/smerconish/status/973754665572724736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
* * *

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-13/20-precincts-reporting-democratic-candidate-leads-pennsylvanias-18th-district

Saccone needs to ask for a recount.

Raginfridus
03-13-2018, 09:23 PM
So what's the moral of the story?

specsaregood
03-13-2018, 09:35 PM
So what's the moral of the story?

This is politics, there are no morals allowed.

enhanced_deficit
03-13-2018, 09:37 PM
Saccone needs to ask for a recount.

Yes, and besides that healso needs to win.. or else he might Make Trump Angry Again as some other "loser" Republican did despite being supported by Trump.

Stumping for House candidate Rick Saccone, Trump jumpstarts 2020 election
WABC-TV Mar 10, 2018


Donald Trump Stumps for Rick Saccone in Pennsylvania | Time
3 days ago - “I really feel strongly about Rick Saccone,” he said. He praised Saccone as “a very fine human being,” and then got to the point: “We need Republicans. We need the votes.” Saccone then took the microphone to close out the rally. “If President Trump is in your corner,” he roared, “How can you lose?”

Zippyjuan
03-13-2018, 09:51 PM
As one reporter reminds us, there's no automatic recount provision for non-statewide Pennsylvania elections - candidates must request a recount, an outcome that is looking increasingly likely.

No auto recount in non-statewide PA elections, candidates have to request one and need reason for it
— Jonathan Martin (@jmartNYT) March 14, 2018 (https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/973742216228298752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

And another reporter points out that there are about 1,200 absentee ballots that won't be counted until tomorrow...so whatever the final outcome is, it won't be available tonight...

There are 1195 absentee ballots that will not be counted until tomorrow in Washington County #PA18 (https://twitter.com/hashtag/PA18?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) - so can the race really be decided tonight? In doubt. @CNN (https://twitter.com/CNN?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) https://t.co/r7GIBr0Ws8
— Michael Smerconish (@smerconish) March 14, 2018 (https://twitter.com/smerconish/status/973754665572724736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
* * *

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-13/20-precincts-reporting-democratic-candidate-leads-pennsylvanias-18th-district

Saccone needs to ask for a recount.

Said they are going to do the absentee ballots tonight but could take "a few hours".

Zippyjuan
03-13-2018, 09:57 PM
Libertarian candidate getting blamed: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/378291-pennsylvania-libertarian-candidate-expects-to-be-most-hated-man-in-america


Pa. third-party candidate: I'll soon be 'most hated man in America'

The Libertarian candidate in the special congressional election in Pennsylvania joked that he expected to be “the most hated man in America” as the votes he earned contributed to the race being too close to call late Tuesday night.

“We’re only a few hours away from me being the most hated man in America,” Drew Gray Miller tweeted.

With 99 percent of precincts reporting in Pennsylvania's 18th Congressional District as of roughly 11:30 p.m. EST, the margin between Democrat Conor Lamb and Republican Rick Saccone was just 847 votes.

Meanwhile, Miller had accrued 1,351 votes, according to The New York Times.

The Associated Press ruled shortly before 11:30 p.m. that it would not declare a winner on Tuesday night because the race was too close to call.

The race will be determined early Wednesday morning after absentee ballots in Washington County, Pa., are counted.

Miller told ABC News that the close race was "exactly the outcome" he wanted, because it would send a message that every vote matters.

dannno
03-13-2018, 10:08 PM
PennsylvaniaHouse 18est. 100% in


candidate
votes
%


Lamb
113,111
49.8%



Saccone
112,532
49.6%




(https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/pennsylvania-house-special-election)

eleganz
03-13-2018, 10:18 PM
Its not a recount, they haven't finished counting, the vote is not complete and today is not a result, only a snapshot of the current vote total.

They will count absentee ballots tomorrow (which is funny because aren't absentees supposed to be counted before)?


Reports of Republicans voting for Saccone on e-voting machines and the vote being given to Lamb.

Also reports of Republicans being turned away due to re-districting.

dannno
03-13-2018, 10:21 PM
Reports of Republicans voting for Saccone on e-voting machines and the vote being given to Lamb.

Also reports of Republicans being turned away due to re-districting.

Shocking..

Swordsmyth
03-13-2018, 10:49 PM
Libertarian candidate getting blamed: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/378291-pennsylvania-libertarian-candidate-expects-to-be-most-hated-man-in-america

Just the way the LP likes it, nobody will ever vote 3rd party with them making it look like they can't win and all they do is play spoiler.

juleswin
03-13-2018, 11:09 PM
973670518959124480

Come on, Trump just campaigned for the republican, telling his supporters that he needs Saccome win in order to accomplish his agenda. So yea, a win by the D is a loss for Trump.

Anti Federalist
03-14-2018, 09:27 AM
Fucking GOP is going to get blown out of the water in the fall.

And with good reason, they have a frothing, infuriated, rabid opposition just dying to vote against them, while at the same time they fuck their base and stab knives in their back.

That said, Trump is poison to "downballot" races, just like Obama was before him and Bush before him.

A hated, controversial president does absolutely nothing but inflame and invigorate the opposition by campaigning locally.

Stay the fuck away.

angelatc
03-14-2018, 09:30 AM
Come on, Trump just campaigned for the republican, telling his supporters that he needs Saccome win in order to accomplish his agenda. So yea, a win by the D is a loss for Trump.

Considering the D ran on a pro-gun, pro tariff, anti-pelosi campaign I don't see it as anything but a repudiation of Trump.

CaptUSA
03-14-2018, 10:12 AM
A hated, controversial president does absolutely nothing but inflame and invigorate the opposition by campaigning locally.

Oh come on, now - that's not true. Have you seen the fundraising numbers!!

I've always said that nothing increases the fundraising of both political parties like a fearful figure in charge and an opposition just within striking distance.

Swordsmyth
03-14-2018, 01:01 PM
$#@!ing GOP is going to get blown out of the water in the fall.

And with good reason, they have a frothing, infuriated, rabid opposition just dying to vote against them, while at the same time they $#@! their base and stab knives in their back.

That said, Trump is poison to "downballot" races, just like Obama was before him and Bush before him.

A hated, controversial president does absolutely nothing but inflame and invigorate the opposition by campaigning locally.

Stay the $#@! away.

I say the Dems are peaking too early, they will be burned out by the time the mid-terms come.

Blue ebb tide.

Swordsmyth
03-14-2018, 01:43 PM
There are some remaining votes to be counted, however, including provisional and any military or overseas ballots, which may currently still be in the mail but must be received by the counties by March 20.
Republicans have not ruled out the possibility of a recount, which isn't mandatory for the district but could be requested by precinct with petitions from voters in the next few days.

Bob Branstetter, a top adviser to Saccone's campaign, told CNN Wednesday morning that the campaign has not discussed a potential recount. But, he said, they are waiting for all votes to be counted before reaching a decision on conceding.
Matt Gorman, a spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee, said the party is not ruling out the possibility of a recount, and a source familiar with the process told CNN Wednesday morning that the GOP is likely to seek legal action over several areas in this race.
The party is going to request that all ballots and voting machines are impounded so nothing is tampered with to allow for a likely recount, the source said. They allege reports of "miscalibrations" of several voting machines in Allegheny County, including frozen touchscreens where voters intending to cast their ballot for Saccone were only presented with Lamb. The party also accuses the Allegheny County election board of not letting Republican officials into the room where absentee ballots were being counted.
The party also said that the Pennsylvania's secretary of state website confused voters by noting new district lines set to take effect in November following the state Supreme Court's order to redraw districts, the source added. Branstetter also said that the campaign received some calls from voters who were confused about whether they could still vote in the 18th District after the Pennsylvania Supreme Court's decision.

More at: https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/13/politics/pennsylvania-special-election-lamb-saccone/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+rss%252Fcnn_topstories+(RSS %253A+CNN+-+Top+Stories)

juleswin
03-14-2018, 01:52 PM
Considering the D ran on a pro-gun, pro tariff, anti-pelosi campaign I don't see it as anything but a repudiation of Trump.

Even if you believe what people say when they are campaigning. That still wouldn't mean he is going to support Trump's agenda. Heck Trump ran as a pro gun candidate and now he supports the anti gun laws sweeping the country. People not just politicians lie when they are trying to court you and this is why people should never believe campaign promises especially when they don't align with the person's history.

Pro tariff you say? Bernie Sander and many democrats are also pro tariff today and anti Pelosi just what democrats in Red states say when they are running, it is standard operating procedure.

charrob
03-14-2018, 02:03 PM
So what's the moral of the story?

i did not follow this race closely and don't know and cannot seem to find information on Saccone's foreign policy beliefs. Did he not give the electorate his views on foreign policy? John Bolton endorsed Saccone. (http://triblive.com/politics/politicalheadlines/13219756-74/former-un-ambassador-john-bolton-endorses-rick-saccone-for-congress) If Saccone did not discuss his foreign policy beliefs, many might wonder what is he hiding, especially if he gave no indication of his beliefs after Bolton endorsed him.

On the other hand, Libertarian Drew Gray Miller clearly called for an end to foreign aid and foreign wars (https://observer-reporter.com/news/election/march-special-election-subject-of-local-national-focus/article_afab722e-1cad-11e8-8f60-6f143433cab8.html), closure of overseas military bases and bringing all troops home.

On a day when Trump throws out the only somewhat moderate in his cabinet, Rex Tillerson, nominates the bloodthirsty Iran-hating Pompeo as the head of the State Dpt., and nominates a woman who actually engaged in torture of detainees as the head of the CIA, my gut tells me a lot of people on the fence regarding Trump's policies either stayed home, voted Democrat to spite Trump's newest cabinet nominations, or voted Libertarian.

So the moral of the story could be that people were trying to tell Trump they have had enough of this militarism and endless war. The moral of the story could be that if Republicans want to win, they need to embrace the Libertarian faction of their party and embrace a noninterventionist foreign policy.

I doubt that Trump has the humility to consider this, but I think on a day he nominated the worst of interventionists to cabinet positions, many of the heretofore Trump electorate in PA's congressional district 18 may have been totally repulsed by these nominations and may have voted accordingly.

enhanced_deficit
03-14-2018, 03:17 PM
i did not follow this race closely and don't know and cannot seem to find information on Saccone's foreign policy beliefs. Did he not give the electorate his views on foreign policy? John Bolton endorsed Saccone. (http://triblive.com/politics/politicalheadlines/13219756-74/former-un-ambassador-john-bolton-endorses-rick-saccone-for-congress) If Saccone did not discuss his foreign policy beliefs, many might wonder what is he hiding, especially if he gave no indication of his beliefs after Bolton endorsed him.

On the other hand, Libertarian Drew Gray Miller clearly called for an end to foreign aid and foreign wars (https://observer-reporter.com/news/election/march-special-election-subject-of-local-national-focus/article_afab722e-1cad-11e8-8f60-6f143433cab8.html), closure of overseas military bases and bringing all troops home.

On a day when Trump throws out the only somewhat moderate in his cabinet, Rex Tillerson, nominates the bloodthirsty Iran-hating Pompeo as the head of the State Dpt., and nominates a woman who actually engaged in torture of detainees as the head of the CIA, my gut tells me a lot of people on the fence regarding Trump's policies either stayed home, voted Democrat to spite Trump's newest cabinet nominations, or voted Libertarian.

So the moral of the story could be that people were trying to tell Trump they have had enough of this militarism and endless war. The moral of the story could be that if Republicans want to win, they need to embrace the Libertarian faction of their party and embrace a noninterventionist foreign policy.

I doubt that Trump has the humility to consider this, but I think on a day he nominated the worst of interventionists to cabinet positions, many of the heretofore Trump electorate in PA's congressional district 18 may have been totally repulsed by these nominations and may have voted accordingly.


This is very dangerous writing, my concern is that any libertarians, anti-war folks, small gummit folks who had not ditched leader-in-chief already would ditch him after reading this post. You should have been more careful with the words.

Raginfridus
03-14-2018, 03:38 PM
i did not follow this race closely and don't know and cannot seem to find information on Saccone's foreign policy beliefs. Did he not give the electorate his views on foreign policy? John Bolton endorsed Saccone. (http://triblive.com/politics/politicalheadlines/13219756-74/former-un-ambassador-john-bolton-endorses-rick-saccone-for-congress) If Saccone did not discuss his foreign policy beliefs, many might wonder what is he hiding, especially if he gave no indication of his beliefs after Bolton endorsed him.

On the other hand, Libertarian Drew Gray Miller clearly called for an end to foreign aid and foreign wars (https://observer-reporter.com/news/election/march-special-election-subject-of-local-national-focus/article_afab722e-1cad-11e8-8f60-6f143433cab8.html), closure of overseas military bases and bringing all troops home.

On a day when Trump throws out the only somewhat moderate in his cabinet, Rex Tillerson, nominates the bloodthirsty Iran-hating Pompeo as the head of the State Dpt., and nominates a woman who actually engaged in torture of detainees as the head of the CIA, my gut tells me a lot of people on the fence regarding Trump's policies either stayed home, voted Democrat to spite Trump's newest cabinet nominations, or voted Libertarian.

So the moral of the story could be that people were trying to tell Trump they have had enough of this militarism and endless war. The moral of the story could be that if Republicans want to win, they need to embrace the Libertarian faction of their party and embrace a noninterventionist foreign policy.

I doubt that Trump has the humility to consider this, but I think on a day he nominated the worst of interventionists to cabinet positions, many of the heretofore Trump electorate in PA's congressional district 18 may have been totally repulsed by these nominations and may have voted accordingly.

But dannno and co. tell me its all the art of the deal.

Raginfridus
03-14-2018, 03:43 PM
Considering the D ran on a pro-gun, pro tariff, anti-pelosi campaign I don't see it as anything but a repudiation of Trump.
Swordsmyth

Loyalty to the letter:


Just the way the LP likes it, nobody will ever vote 3rd party with them making it look like they can't win and all they do is play spoiler.

Maybe the problem's too many voters like yourself, loyal to the party only.

Swordsmyth
03-14-2018, 03:52 PM
@Swordsmyth (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=65299)

Loyalty to the letter:

I don't know what your point is or very much about this race but anyone willing to run under the Demoncrat banner can't be very good and isn't to be trusted, if he gets in he will undoubtedly backtrack any good positions he ran on.

Swordsmyth
03-14-2018, 03:56 PM
@Swordsmyth (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=65299)

Loyalty to the letter:



Maybe the problem's too many voters like yourself, loyal to the party only.

I vote third party when the candidate is significantly better, and I have never advocated anything else.

Raginfridus
03-14-2018, 04:33 PM
I vote third party when the candidate is significantly better, and I have never advocated anything else.Except the Democrat and Republican were interchangeable populist scumbags. The third party ticket was not only the one unique ticket, he was actually the only candidate with a worthy platform.

Swordsmyth
03-14-2018, 04:37 PM
Except the Democrat and Republican were interchangeable populist scumbags. The third party ticket was not only the one unique ticket, he was actually the only candidate with a worthy platform.

I don't live there and I didn't donate to or campaign for or even say anything about Saccone until election night, on election night I said he should ask for a recount against the Demoncrat since he is the only candidate that could.

jct74
03-14-2018, 04:50 PM
I'm glad this Sac o' shit lost.



During a political debate, Rick Saccone made a crucial blunder, when he was asked about whether Congress should vote to legalize recreational marijuana. Saccone, for some reason, reminded voters that he opposed Pennsylvania’s medical marijuana law. Conor Lamb wisely stated, “I support medical marijuana as it exists right now as long as its carefully done and well-regulated. Too many doctors have told me that their patients need it. Too many parents have told me that it’s the cheapest and best treatment for their kids, especially kids who have seizures, so I think that’s where we start. People on both sides seem to agree on that. That’s a good way to take care of our people and I’m for it.” I’ve created a clip on C-Span where you can watch this exchange on cannabis policy.

In a race decided by just over 600 votes, being on the wrong side of an issue favored by over 80% of your state’s residents could certainly be one of the reasons that you lost. When you throw in the fact that the Libertarian candidate, who would usually be expected to siphon more votes away from the GOP candidate, as Libertarians are often caricatured as “pot-smoking Republicans,” garnered 1,372 votes himself, Saccone may have just cost himself a congressional seat by opposing medical cannabis. Let this be a lesson to candidates all across the nation (looking at you Joe Kennedy!), it is time to be on the right side of history on cannabis policy, or you’ll eventually pay the political consequences. While 2018 looks to be the year of the #BlueWave, the Green Wave is here to stay.

https://www.weednews.co/medical-marijuana-helped-conor-lamb-win-in-pennsylvania/


Too bad the Libertarian candidate couldn't muster up some more votes, but he made the difference in the race at least.

Raginfridus
03-14-2018, 05:01 PM
I don't live there and I didn't donate to or campaign for or even say anything about Saccone until election night, on election night I said he should ask for a recount against the Demoncrat since he is the only candidate that could.

Just the way the LP likes it, nobody will ever vote 3rd party with them making it look like they can't win and all they do is play spoiler.Knew nothing, but ready to blame the libertarian for the defeat of a populist scumbag. Just come out, already. Give it up.

Swordsmyth
03-14-2018, 05:03 PM
Knew nothing, but ready to blame the libertarian for the defeat of a populist scumbag. Just come out, already. Give it up.

I didn't blame the libertarian candidate, I said the LP would be quite happy with the loss.
The LP has in recent years done everything it can to remain irrelevant and be a drag on anyone who runs under their banner or uses the label "libertarian".

dannno
03-14-2018, 05:05 PM
I'm glad this Sac o' shit lost.




https://www.weednews.co/medical-marijuana-helped-conor-lamb-win-in-pennsylvania/


Too bad the Libertarian candidate couldn't muster up some more votes, but he made the difference in the race at least.

Lol, what an idiot...

Raginfridus
03-14-2018, 05:23 PM
I didn't blame the libertarian candidate, I said the LP would be quite happy with the loss.
The LP has in recent years done everything it can to remain irrelevant and be a drag on anyone who runs under their banner or uses the label "libertarian".Yeah, you've made the loss about the LP and 3rd parties already. I don't give a shit, their candidate was actually good. Maybe just quit shilling Republican against Demoncrats for a while. The world won't stop turning.

Swordsmyth
03-14-2018, 05:28 PM
Yeah, you've made the loss about the LP and 3rd parties already. I don't give a $#@!, their candidate was actually good. Maybe just quit shilling Republican against Demoncrats for a while. The world won't stop turning.

Get lost, I can state my opinion about the LP who are doing more damage to 3rd party candidates than anyone else if I want, I never blamed the libertarian candidate or promoted Saccone, Saccone is totally at fault for his poor performance and he never should have run.

Raginfridus
03-14-2018, 05:36 PM
Get lost, I can state my opinion about the LP who are doing more damage to 3rd party candidates than anyone else if I want, I never blamed the libertarian candidate or promoted Saccone, Saccone is totally at fault for his poor performance and he never should have run.Keep backing up. There's a cliff right behind you.

Swordsmyth
03-14-2018, 05:37 PM
Keep backing up. There's a cliff right behind you.

:rolleyes:

gaazn
03-14-2018, 06:16 PM
Yay, get to do this all over again in 8 months, but with redrawn voter pool

r3volution 3.0
03-14-2018, 09:07 PM
So what's the moral of the story?

1. Don't put an abrasive reality TV character at the top of the ticket.

1b. Democracy is an absurd form of government.

nikcers
03-14-2018, 09:12 PM
1. Don't put an abrasive reality TV character at the top of the ticket.

1b. Democracy is an absurd form of government.
you forgot, Damn it China!

axiomata
03-14-2018, 09:17 PM
you forgot, Damn it China!

DIC

Swordsmyth
03-15-2018, 12:40 AM
With the last batch of absentee ballots counted, Lamb, a 33-year-old former prosecutor and first-time candidate, saw his edge shrink slightly, to 627 votes Wednesday out of more than 224,000 cast, according to unofficial results.
The four counties in the Pittsburgh-area 18th District reported less than 500 uncounted provisional, military and overseas ballots.
Based on those numbers, The New York Times late Wednesday (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/14/us/politics/democrats-republicans-pennsylvania-special-election.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news) declared Lamb the winner.
Officials have seven days to count provisional ballots, and the deadline to receive military and overseas ballots is next Tuesday.
With the margin so close, supporters of either candidate can ask for a recount and a GOP source said a legal challenge is also being considered.

More at: https://nypost.com/2018/03/14/conor-lamb-declared-winner-in-close-pennsylvania-house-race/

nikcers
03-15-2018, 09:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0-Kym_ANJI

dean.engelhardt
03-15-2018, 09:35 AM
Just the way the LP likes it, nobody will ever vote 3rd party with them making it look like they can't win and all they do is play spoiler.

It all depends on what one considers a win. The LP party probably didn't expect to win the seat, but they defiantly won a say in representation. The 1% that voted (L) could have shifted the race to either the (D) or (R) if that candidate appealed to them. That means the (L) must be considered when running the next election. If the (R) wants to win next time, they need to appeal to the liberty minded voter.

Swordsmyth
03-15-2018, 04:32 PM
Republican sources are circulating prior investigations (http://www.wtae.com/article/allegheny-county-hires-election-officials-with-criminal-records-investigation-finds-1/7480992) into Allegheny County election officials by Pittsburgh’s local ABC affiliate, which found the county was hiring people with criminal records and little election experience to manage polling sites on election day.


More at: http://freebeacon.com/politics/gop-cites-numerous-issues-at-polling-sites-ahead-of-likely-pennsylvania-recount/

Swordsmyth
03-17-2018, 01:06 AM
https://media.8ch.net/file_store/226bcb609ddc7a7ea6fafec864f475626829a1860805df36a9 d6a5ececd111f0.jpg

Swordsmyth
03-22-2018, 01:57 AM
Republican Rick Saccone conceded defeat on Wednesday night to Democrat Conor Lamb in a Pennsylvania special congressional election.

Republicans mulled a recount and legal action over the Lamb's razor thin lead, however the Democrat's margin over Saccone, 60, continued to increase as officials continued to count votes.

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-21/rick-saccone-concedes-pennsylvania-congressional-race-conor-lamb

TheCount
03-22-2018, 01:59 AM
Republican Rick Saccone conceded defeat on Wednesday night to Democrat Conor Lamb in a Pennsylvania special congressional election.

Republicans mulled a recount and legal action over the Lamb's razor thin lead, however the Democrat's margin over Saccone, 60, continued to increase as officials continued to count votes.

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-21/rick-saccone-concedes-pennsylvania-congressional-race-conor-lamb

0 for 2 on recount dreams.

Swordsmyth
03-22-2018, 02:02 AM
0 for 2 on recount dreams.

They don't happen as much as they should.