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enhanced_deficit
03-09-2018, 03:49 PM
Why can't we follow our closest ally in the whole world and only non-racist democracy in mideast on this tricky issue as dad of White House press officer suggested?

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Is Israel a Model When It Comes to Guns, as Mike Huckabee Says?

By ISABEL KERSHNER
FEB. 20, 2018


JERUSALEM — Nir Barkat, the mayor of Jerusalem, knows a thing or two about taking on assailants. A former Israeli paratrooper with combat experience, he packs a Glock 23 semiautomatic pistol as a civilian.

In 2015, after a series of stabbings in the city by Palestinians, Mr. Barkat urged Israelis with licensed firearms to carry them at all times, saying they should think of it “like military reserve duty.”
In Israel, armed guards stand outside movie theaters and shopping malls, and off-duty soldiers go to the beach or the bar with an M-16 slung over their shoulders. The seeming availability of guns, savvy intelligence gathering and the can-do, tough-guy image of Israelis like Mr. Barkat have impressed some American gun-rights advocates.
Indeed, after some of the most horrifying school shootings in the United States, gun-rights supporters like Mike Huckabee, a former governor of Arkansas, and Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association, have cited Israel as a potential model.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/20/world/middleeast/israel-guns-mike-huckabee.html




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Raginfridus
03-09-2018, 04:22 PM
So the Times prop Israel as a model to appeal to conservatives that don't read, but they say nothing about the laws in that country? A model of what, how are they a model? The Times couldn't possibly be advocating everybody buy a glock, could they?


In fact, contrary to the advocates’ arguments for more guns, Israel has strict gun control. Those citizens who are licensed to own a personal weapon have generally undergone some military training. Guns are not seen as a hobby, but as a tool for self-defense, and if necessary, to help protect others from terrorism. And while Israel has sophisticated policing and intelligence aimed at stopping terrorism, it has little experience with the kinds of civilian mass shootings that have become the source of anguished debate in the United States.

Even Mr. Barkat, who once told CNBC’s “Squawk Box” that Americans could benefit from armed civilians and “smart” profiling, sees a big difference.

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“There’s no misuse of rifles and guns in Israel,” Mr. Barkat said. “On the contrary, they give extra measures, extra security.” That, he said, was “exactly the opposite” of what was happening in the United States.

The issue came to the fore again last week. Mr. Huckabee was visiting Israel when a gunman killed 17 people at a high school in Parkland, Fla. On Twitter, he said that Israel had “pretty much eliminated” school shootings by “placing highly trained people strategically to spot the one common thread — not the weapon, but a person with intent.”:rolleyes:

Isrul's a model state, ladies and gentlemen. Mike Huckster says.

enhanced_deficit
03-09-2018, 04:32 PM
Good questions, Times though has evolved in recent years , especially since 9/11-Iraq war bloodbath and more recently since Trump election, they would probably not have any non-hypocritical answer to these Qs.

On related noted, they have a US tax payers funded wall too.. another issue that divodes many US-Mexican Americans. But unlike there, we have christian brothers and sisters on both sides of the proposed wall.

https://i1.wp.com/newobserveronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Israel-Wall.jpg?resize=760%2C496

PierzStyx
03-09-2018, 04:33 PM
So the Times prop Israel as a model to appeal to conservatives that don't read, but they say nothing about the laws in that country? A model of what, how are they a model? The Times couldn't possibly be advocating everybody buy a glock, could they?


The issue came to the fore again last week. Mr. Huckabee was visiting Israel when a gunman killed 17 people at a high school in Parkland, Fla. On Twitter, he said that Israel had “pretty much eliminated” school shootings by “placing highly trained people strategically to spot the one common thread — not the weapon, but a person with intent.”




Except they haven't. They just drafted all the school shooters into the military and have them shoot up Palestinian homes and communities. Palestinians aren't allowed by law to carry weapons while Israelis are encouraged to openly carry and in any given situation protected by law if they murder a Palestinian in the street. Israel is exactly the kind of militarized police state so many conservative claim to fear yet the hypocrites fall all over themselves to fellate Israel whenever they can.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/israel-gun-policy-licence-kill-palestinians-151119080409657.html

ILUVRP
03-09-2018, 05:08 PM
2012 Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”

i guess everyone has forgotten USS LIBERTY

Raginfridus
03-09-2018, 05:10 PM
And 9/11

enhanced_deficit
03-10-2018, 01:43 PM
Isrul's a model state, ladies and gentlemen. Mike Huckster says.


Huckster is pro-war/pro-oppression evangelical, his is mostly faith based reasoning and not necessarily logic based. Unless faith was rooted in material benefits, wordly pursuits.

Raginfridus
03-10-2018, 01:45 PM
Huckster is pro-war/pro-oppression evangelical, his is mostly faith based reasoning and not necessarily logic based. Unless faith was rooted in material benefits, wordly pursuits.

Say it ain't so!