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Swordsmyth
02-26-2018, 04:35 PM
Manufacturers of "quiet cars" will be required by 2020 to emit engine-like sounds while running, the Department of Transportation (DOT) ruled Monday.
The ruling for "quiet cars" -- electric and hybrid vehicles that don't create the same sounds as engines powered by fossil fuels -- mandates that car manufacturers install external speakers on vehicles to emit a fake car sound. Manufacturers will have until September 2020 to meet full compliance -- a one-year extension from the deadline placed under the Obama administration.
The rule was first demanded by Congress in 2010 following safety concerns that quiet cars were hazardous to blind or hard-of-hearing pedestrians. However, the Trump administration delayed the implementation of the Obama-era rule earlier last year in order to conduct a review of petitions from automakers.

More at: http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/375675-trump-admin-passes-rule-mandating-sounds-in-quite-cars-by-2020

Definitely not a Federal issue.
What 2 regulations bite the dust for this one to be born?

dannno
02-26-2018, 04:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZJjTEmXaf8

Raginfridus
02-26-2018, 04:53 PM
I want diesel sounds in my prius.

I'd think with a scan tool and some ringtones, there could be many funny sounds for priuses.

phill4paul
02-26-2018, 04:57 PM
I want diesel sounds in my prius.

I would want mine to sound like a Jake brake.

Raginfridus
02-26-2018, 05:02 PM
Optimus Prime voices for my lowrider prius.

Swordsmyth
02-26-2018, 05:04 PM
I would want mine to sound like a Jake brake.

I think they should make the foot sounds from Flintstones cars.

dannno
02-26-2018, 05:05 PM
To be fair, the title of the thread is slightly inaccurate:


However, the Trump administration delayed the implementation of the Obama-era rule earlier last year in order to conduct a review of petitions from automakers.

Swordsmyth
02-26-2018, 05:08 PM
To be fair, the title of the thread is slightly inaccurate:
However, the Trump administration delayed the implementation of the Obama-era rule earlier last year in order to conduct a review of petitions from automakers.
Petitions they ignored:


Nissan, for example, had argued that the alert was only needed for up to 12.4 mph. The rule announced Monday will be mandated for cars moving at speeds of up to 18.6 miles per hour.

This should have been killed.

dannno
02-26-2018, 05:30 PM
Petitions they ignored:



This should have been killed.

Oh liberty to travel at speeds of 12.4 - 18.6 mph in peace and quiet, how I will miss thee!!!

I mean, ya it's a dumb law, bad precedent, but it's not that egregious of the auto laws that exist fatwaing mpg, cat piss and whatnot.

Swordsmyth
02-26-2018, 05:34 PM
Oh liberty to travel at speeds of 12.4 - 18.6 mph in peace and quiet, how I will miss thee!!!

While I understand the pragmatic point of view and even lean towards it we mustn't lose track of principles, this isn't a federal issue and it is debatable as a state or local issue.

Trump should have killed this regulation.

dannno
02-26-2018, 05:35 PM
While I understand the pragmatic point of view and even lean towards it we mustn't lose track of principles, this isn't a federal issue and it is debatable as a state or local issue.

Trump should have killed this regulation.

Ya I edited my comment a little.

DamianTV
02-26-2018, 05:36 PM
I got a car that makes sound already. It seems that very soon it will be mandatory for me to drive around and blast either Steely Dan or Hathaway's What Is Love at full volume, probably waking up the neighbors at least three blocks away and pissing off many many dogs in the neighborhood.

spudea
02-26-2018, 05:40 PM
Trump should have killed this regulation.

"Under a 2010 law passed by Congress, NHTSA initially was supposed to finalize the regulations by January 2014."

How do you suggest the executive branch overturn a law passed by congress? The most he can do is delay and slightly tweak/modify the standard. It would be nice if you could edit your misleading title. It was passed by congress and developed under the Obama admin, not Trump.

Swordsmyth
02-26-2018, 05:43 PM
"Under a 2010 law passed by Congress, NHTSA initially was supposed to finalize the regulations by January 2014."

How do you suggest the executive branch overturn a law passed by congress? The most he can do is delay and slightly tweak/modify the standard. It would be nice if you could edit your misleading title. It was passed by congress and developed under the Obama admin, not Trump.

He could declare it unconstitutional and make them sue to force him to enact it or he could release a version of it that is so weak that it basically is meaningless.

He and his administration didn't even weaken it as much as the industry requested, they own this.

spudea
02-26-2018, 05:46 PM
He could declare it unconstitutional and make them sue to force him to enact it

That's not how government works.

Swordsmyth
02-26-2018, 05:47 PM
That's not how government works.
That is how it is supposed to work.

Dr.3D
02-26-2018, 05:53 PM
Maybe they can put sleigh bells on them.

goldenequity
02-26-2018, 06:17 PM
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/bd/5a/1a/bd5a1ab262635be7060a324cc287be82.jpg

TheCount
02-26-2018, 11:10 PM
That is how it is supposed to work.The idea that the founders intended a supreme executive is completely absurd.

dannno
02-26-2018, 11:13 PM
That is how it is supposed to work.

I think the Supreme Court is supposed to overturn it, but they don't have good legal precedents in place to do that. They should create some tho.

Swordsmyth
02-26-2018, 11:15 PM
The idea that the founders intended a supreme executive is completely absurd.

They intended The Constitution to be the supreme law of the land, the executive is supposed to follow it And not violate it because Congress tries to.

Swordsmyth
02-26-2018, 11:17 PM
I think the Supreme Court is supposed to overturn it, but they don't have good legal precedents in place to do that. They should create some tho.
And the best way to create them is for the executive to follow the Constitution and let Congress sue.

Matt Collins
02-27-2018, 12:28 AM
I drive a Prius and when I am going under 40 it is almost impossible to hear, especially when not accelerating. It is like a golf cart in that regard. I have almost hit people either in urban areas trying to cross the street, or people in neighborhoods because I accidentally sneak up behind them and they don't hear the car.


That being said, with those federal regulations, cutting the wire to the speaker will be the first thing a lot of owners will do ha ha ha.

Anti Federalist
02-27-2018, 03:13 AM
The idea that the founders intended a supreme executive is completely absurd.

Not so fast...they most certainly did, although they knew better than to come right out and say so.

The Anti Federalists knew exactly what the language of the CONstitution would allow under executive power, smelled a rat and tried their damnedest to shoot it down.

Alas, they did not succeed.

Anti Federalist
02-27-2018, 03:15 AM
If I ever am forced into driving one these glorified golf carts, I want it to make farty noises.

Or maybe female porn star noises.

Anti Federalist
02-27-2018, 03:16 AM
That being said, with those federal regulations, cutting the wire to the speaker will be the first thing a lot of owners will do ha ha ha.

Which will be a felony, like disconnecting emissions or certain other safety equipment.

Anti Federalist
02-27-2018, 03:20 AM
They were goofy "girly" cars then, and remain so today.

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/2e/79/6a/2e796aaeadda969cd410e9791008f5ca--electric-vehicle-electric-cars.jpg

asurfaholic
02-27-2018, 05:53 AM
I want my truck to sound like a helicopter.

acptulsa
02-27-2018, 07:16 AM
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5IF0VbUb_Ug

Anti Federalist
02-27-2018, 07:45 AM
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5IF0VbUb_Ug

Jay Leno has, what is most likely, the best car collection in the country.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2A5ijU3Ivs

tod evans
02-27-2018, 08:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FResPAtyzMM

shakey1
02-27-2018, 10:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7Rwu8Xx7fk

Anti Federalist
02-27-2018, 10:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of1RY4M8VqM

Anti Federalist
02-27-2018, 10:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jezbqQ_wKEU

juleswin
02-27-2018, 10:54 AM
I am not sure if I disagree with the particular regulation. God knows that my life has been spared at least one time from regulation requiring large vehicles to have a beeping round when they are reversing.

This is a law that I bet would be enforced even in private roads because it is something that legitimately affects the safety of road users. Not going to see me complaining about the regulation, nope.

phill4paul
02-27-2018, 10:55 AM
I am not sure if I disagree with the particular regulation. .............. Not going to see me complaining about the regulation, nope.

Of course not.

dannno
02-27-2018, 11:10 AM
If I ever am forced into driving one these glorified golf carts, I want it to make farty noises.

Or maybe female porn star noises.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZYlV7hsYgY

asurfaholic
02-27-2018, 11:26 AM
I am not sure if I disagree with the particular regulation. God knows that my life has been spared at least one time from regulation requiring large vehicles to have a beeping round when they are reversing.

This is a law that I bet would be enforced even in private roads because it is something that legitimately affects the safety of road users. Not going to see me complaining about the regulation, nope.

I have never once sat around and wished the cars driving around were louder.

You look both ways before crossing a street.

Artificial sounds won’t make a bit of difference, just browse liveleak a while.

I’m hearing impaired with a 85% loss in both ears. Never been hit by a car.

More effective legislation would ban dumbasses from leaving the safety of their homes. Forcing automakers to make artificial sounds on quiet cars is like requiring energy efficient appliances to draw more power.

I’d welcome less noisy ass cars for a change. I wake up to the sound of an neighbor’s diesel with super loud exhaust pipes every day.

juleswin
02-27-2018, 12:04 PM
I have never once sat around and wished the cars driving around were louder.

Same with me most of the time, I only wish for them to me louder when the cars around have engine sounds that is not up to par with my cell phone vibration sound. So I don't necessarily want them to be louder just loud enough so I can hear them when I am inside my car.


Artificial sounds won’t make a bit of difference, just browse liveleak a while.

Are you trying to tell me that if more cars on the road were of the quite variety, they wouldn't be any more accidents on the roads because of it?


I’m hearing impaired with a 85% loss in both ears. Never been hit by a car.

That is sad to hear that. But I can imagine that maybe your other sense have been heightened by your disability. That wouldn't be the case for normal hearing people who will be sharing the road with you.


More effective legislation would ban dumbasses from leaving the safety of their homes. Forcing automakers to make artificial sounds on quiet cars is like requiring energy efficient appliances to draw more power.

Humans are not without faults, for example, you don't need to be a dumbass to miss a car in your blind spot and try to make a pass. Shit happens and cars having some sound makes said shit to happen less often. I am not mechanical but I think there are ways of making very quiet cars make noise without wasting any significant amount of energy.


I’d welcome less noisy ass cars for a change. I wake up to the sound of an neighbor’s diesel with super loud exhaust pipes every day.

Noise less as in without noise? I don't want any extreme on the sound level. I don't want very noisy cars and I dont want very quite cars. I want cars that make some noise so that people in other cars can hear them.

shakey1
02-27-2018, 12:40 PM
Why would Trump want to add add'l regulation?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdWswvLPdE0

TheCount
02-27-2018, 10:41 PM
Not so fast...they most certainly did, although they knew better than to come right out and say so.

The Anti Federalists knew exactly what the language of the CONstitution would allow under executive power, smelled a rat and tried their damnedest to shoot it down.

Alas, they did not succeed.
There were were anti-federalist founders.

Aratus
02-28-2018, 05:02 AM
Maybe they can put sleigh bells on them.

Good idea.