Trump Weighs ‘Red Flag’ Orders to Take Guns Away Quickly

[Swordsmyth]

The White House is considering the idea of using restraining orders to take firearms away from people considered dangerous as part of its response to last week’s massacre at a Florida high school, two people familiar with the matter said.
Under extreme risk protection orders, which are also known as red flag laws or gun violence restraining orders, firearms can be confiscated from people found to be at risk.
The White House is studying an Indiana version of the law, and is considering other measures as well, according to the people, who requested anonymity to discuss policy deliberations. Four other states also have such laws.


At the White House on Thursday, Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi described to President Donald Trump similar efforts underway in her state to allow law enforcement to seize firearms from someone who is deemed to be a danger to themselves or others.
"Good," Trump responded.
At a Florida town hall on CNN earlier in the week, Marco Rubio, one of Florida’s two senators, said he supported restraining orders.
While the concept has bipartisan support, some gun-rights groups have embraced it because it does not impose new regulations on firearms themselves. It is one of a range of proposals, including mental health initiatives, that are under consideration by the White House.

More at: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/white-house-considers-protection-orders-110000673.html

I still don't think any of these bad ideas are going to happen but feeding the anti-gun culture is bad enough.

[DamianTV]

Who do they consider to be "Dangerous"? Ron Paul supporters? Libertarians? Conspiracy Theorists? Pot Smokers (Hawaii)? What about their crew? Liars? Politicians? Big pHARMa? Sociopathic Despots? Digital Stalkers (Google)? Witch Burners? Maybe White People?

[CCTelander]

Ron Paul on steroids!

So now we have the God Emperor considering outright confiscation? SMGDH

[CCTelander]

Who do they consider to be "Dangerous"? Ron Paul supporters? Libertarians? Conspiracy Theorists? Pot Smokers (Hawaii)? What about their crew? Liars? Politicians? Big pHARMa? Sociopathic Despots? Digital Stalkers (Google)? Witch Burners? Maybe White People?


All of the above and more.

[oyarde]

The Indiana law has been on the books since 2006 and has not been used . Other states that have it are Calif , Oregon , Washington and Ct . I do not know what those are like . Under the Indiana law , when the florida kid posted he was going to be a school shooter , anyone could notify police and police can use that ( social media post ) to seek a warrant to search for weapons that will be taken until a court appearance sought by the person to see the judge . The judge then determines . I oppose it , the burden of evidence is placed on the individual to get property back which I find unAmerican in spirit and of course violation .

[oyarde]

A lot of people will see a summary of the Indiana Law and think they like it because they will think it may have prevented the florida shooting . I tell you will not . Say one of my buddies decides to kill someone . Say the cops figure it out because he wrote it . Say they take his guns . Do you think that will prevent him from obtaining what he wishes ? It will not . What it will do is make it hard for people to get property back if it is used often unlike it not being used here .

[Anti Federalist]

Who do they consider to be "Dangerous"? Ron Paul supporters? Libertarians? Conspiracy Theorists? Pot Smokers (Hawaii)? What about their crew? Liars? Politicians? Big pHARMa? Sociopathic Despots? Digital Stalkers (Google)? Witch Burners? Maybe White People?

Yes.

[Anti Federalist]

Ron Paul on steroids!

So now we have the God Emperor considering outright confiscation? SMGDH

And god knows where, in the total surveillance society we now live under, where that will lead.

TSA blacklisted so no more flying?

Loss of job?

Loss of credit?

The possibilities are endless.

[CCTelander]

And god knows where, in the total surveillance society we now live under, where that will lead.

TSA blacklisted so no more flying?

Loss of job?

Loss of credit?

The possibilities are endless.


I don't fly, ever.

I work for myself.

I never do anything on credit.

And, I'm still probably fucked. Imagine that.

All Heil der Trumpenfuhrer!

[DamianTV]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVlkxrNlp10

[Root]

MAGA Gun edition.

[timosman]

And god knows where, in the total surveillance society we now live under, where that will lead.

TSA blacklisted so no more flying?

Loss of job?

Loss of credit?

The possibilities are endless.

Why isn't there an emergency line for this?:confused:

[Zippyjuan]

Some say the FBI did not do enough to prevent the Florida shootings. Should the FBI raid the homes of people who make threats and seize any weapons they may have? Before they have actually committed any crimes with them?

[Slave Mentality]

I really hope that the “it’s not that bad” folks realize that except for a few like Zippy, everyone posting here will be on the list. Concerning shit folks. This is what starts kicking off genocides.

History isn’t overreacting.

[navy-vet]

[QUOTE=Zippyjuan;6593450]Some say the FBI did not do enough to prevent the Florida shootings. Should the FBI raid the homes of people who make threats and seize any weapons they may have? Before they have actually committed any crimes with them?[/QUO
The coach or one of the teachers could have possibly ended the carnage shortly after it started had they had had the means.

[milgram]

Some say the FBI did not do enough to prevent the Florida shootings. Should the FBI raid the homes of people who make threats and seize any weapons they may have? Before they have actually committed any crimes with them?
They could start by investigating potential threats rather than ignoring them completely

[acptulsa]

Some say the FBI did not do enough to prevent the Florida shootings. Should the FBI raid the homes of people who make threats and seize any weapons they may have? Before they have actually committed any crimes with them?

I'd accuse you of being a broken record, but that was your predecessor who was blathering that last week. So, I'll tell you you can click on your own user name, then click 'Find Latest Posts' there on the left.

If you do, you'll find that "you" already asked that, and were told that the sheriff and the FBI got more than enough information to warrant posting a few extra guards at that school. And at least one of them just might have had cojones.

[r3volution 3.0]

Hillary would have been worse...

[pcosmar]

I TOLD YOU SO

Welcome to my world guys.

I see Prohibited Persons. Everywhere.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/012/818/Movie_i_see_dead_people-769472.jpg

[DamianTV]

Guns are not the problem. Guns dont kill people any more than pencils misspell words.

Maybe we should stop looking at the shooters as the ones causing the problems and instead as the victims of Public Indoctrination that pushed these people too far to begin with in their efforts to break the students spirits and turn them into mindless obedient corporate woshipping non thinking minimum wage workers.

The real problem is the society that expects children to be forcibly stripped of their individuality and have an artificial set of values installed into their minds that causes them to worship their corporate overlords. They use a LOT of different means to do so, which is why I constantly repeat Belief, Money, and Violence so often. If one of those mechanisms of control fails, they fall right back on the other two for total enslavement of the population. These same corporate overlords do not want a public capable of critical thought, debt free, and willing and able to resist their application of violence.

Their goal is to fully disarm the public completely. Plain and simple. Then, the shit will really hit the fan.

[timosman]

Their goal is to fully disarm the public completely. Plain and simple. Then, the shit will really hit the fan.


They will fuck with you at work even more?:eek:

[DamianTV]

They will fuck with you at work even more?:eek:

Yup. Economy collapses, you'll be forced to work even if you do not get paid, for the good of the State.

[Noob]

No Gun Control, No Deals! Petition To My U.S. Representative, Senators, and President Donald Trump:

https://nagr.org/2018/893_NoGunControl-p.aspx?PID=15B



Schumer Seeks to Crush the Gun-Owning Resistance

https://www.gunowners.org/alert1818.htm

https://www.gunowners.org/alert02212018.htm

[TheTexan]

Finally, some common sense gun laws to take guns away from people who intend to use them.

Except for hunting obviously which is fine, and constitutionally protected

[TheTexan]

Maybe with this law we can finally confiscate the guns of those right wing extremists with armories in their basement.

It's dangerous for someone to have so many guns.


#Trump2020 MAGAA

[enhanced_deficit]

I still don't think any of these bad ideas are going to happen but feeding the anti-gun culture is bad enough.


What are your thoughts on these latest news headlines?


Brad Parscale’s guns to be kept away from him under Florida’s ‘red flag’ law (https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/fl-ne-red-flag-bradley-parscale-police-take-his-guns-20200929-iq4uanvaivhqpg76jmicprp5ci-story.html#nt=interstitial-manual)

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/16/23/30857058-0-image-a-39_1594937276214.jpg


(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?549445-Brad-Parscale-hospitalized-after-he-was-armed-and-threatening-to-harm-himself&p=6982274&viewfull=1#post6982274)Trump threatens to use red flag laws against political enemies (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?538100-Trump-threatens-to-use-red-flag-laws-against-political-enemies&)


Un-Related

WATCHDOG CLAIMS CAMPAIGN 'LAUNDERING' MONEY (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?549445-Brad-Parscale-hospitalized-after-he-was-armed-and-threatening-to-harm-himself&p=6982274&viewfull=1#post6982274)

[enhanced_deficit]

Recent developments, narratives from media, social media:




Brad Parscale’s guns to be kept away from him under Florida’s ‘red flag’ law (https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/fl-ne-red-flag-bradley-parscale-police-take-his-guns-20200929-iq4uanvaivhqpg76jmicprp5ci-story.html#nt=interstitial-manual)

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/16/23/30857058-0-image-a-39_1594937276214.jpg

Trump threatens to use red flag laws against political enemies (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?538100-Trump-threatens-to-use-red-flag-laws-against-political-enemies&)



https://i.imgflip.com/4gm6ea.jpg


Hearing Canceled For President Trump’s Former Campaign Manager Brad Parscale After He Complies With Judge’s Order

FORT LAUDERDALE (CBSMiami) – A hearing today for President Donald Trump’s campaign manager Brad Parscale was canceled Friday after the judge discovered he had complied with a court order to turn over his firearms.
Parscale was arrested on September 27th after police were called to his Fort Lauderdale home about a man who had barricaded himself inside and was threatening to harm himself.

miami.cbslocal.com/2020/10/02/hearing-canceled-for-president-trumps-former-campaign-manager-brad-pascale-after-he-complies-with-judges-order/




Potentially Related

Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump 'pissed' at Trump campaign manager over his rally crowd size predictions, source says
cnn.com/2020/06/21/politics/jared-kushner-ivanka-trump-brad-parscale/index.html

Donald Trump's ousted campaign chief Brad Parscale flees Washington D.C. and tweets 'bless those who persecute you' after Jared Kushner pushed him aside
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8531465/Brad-Parscale-flees-Washington-D-C-tweets-ble

Let the blame game begin. Republicans point the finger at Parscale, Kushner, Stepien, and Trump himself as the president's team braces for a potential 2020 blowout.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-world-braces-for-blowout-loss-playing-the-blame-game-2020-10

Brad Parscale @parscale
Jan 5, 2018
Truth: Jared Kushner and @EricTrump were joint deputy campaign managers to @realDonaldTrump. Nobody else. Not one person made a decision without their approval. Others just took credit for this family’s amazing ability. I’m done with all these lies. They will be embarrassed!
https://twitter.com/parscale/status/949309735391649792

[enhanced_deficit]

Anyone knows where does the latest SCOTUS, said to be pro lockdowns, stand on red flag laws?

[enhanced_deficit]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7IyeENreykY/maxresdefault.jpg

Lawyer: Man killed by officer was asleep when police fired

An attorney says a Maryland man who was shot and killed by a police officer was asleep in his bedroom when police opened fire from outside his house
MICHAEL KUNZELMAN Associated Press

The Official Whitewash Of The Killing Of Duncan Lemp (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?551685-The-Official-Whitewash-Of-The-Killing-Of-Duncan-Lemp&)

[enhanced_deficit]

2nd amend debate is coming back in spotlight:




Squaring the 2nd Amendment and Red Flag Law

By Associated Press
Friday, January 1st, 2021


The Second Amendment of the United States reads: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” It may be surprising, but prior to 2008, the Second Amendment did not give any individual the right to own a weapon.
In 2008, the landmark decision of District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), for the very first time, recognized the Second Amendment gives an individual a right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. In McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 742 (2010) the U.S. Supreme Court also affirmed the Heller decision and made the Second Amendment applicable to state governments.
...

In New Mexico property owners can prohibit the carrying of firearms onto property they lawfully possess by either posting signage or verbally notifying people that guns are not allowed. Thus, if anyone is carrying a gun in violation of the property owner’s prohibitions, an officer is legally permitted to impound the gun as evidence of a crime. As Justice Scalia explained, carrying a firearm, with or without a permit, is also restricted in many locations or by convicted felons or the mentally ill. Thus, these are just some of the circumstances where law enforcement officers currently have the right to remove and keep firearms until further determination by the courts.

In May of last year, the governor signed into law another gun regulation which many call the “Red Flag Law.” This law is intended to provide a process, with judicial oversight, that allows law enforcement officers to confiscate firearms when there is probable cause to believe that the gun owner poses a significant danger of causing imminent personal injury to themselves or others. This law is reminiscent of practices in Old West movies where the sheriff would confiscate weapons and require everyone to remove their side arms before entering the town in order to maintain public safety or avoid trouble.
...
Some argue the “Red Flag Law” is simply another tool for law enforcement to maintain public safety, and a more sophisticated attempt to revisit these Old West practices, with added protections of judicial oversight and review. Others argue this law is an infringement of the Second Amendment.

There is little doubt our New Mexico Supreme Court will be asked to resolve this dispute some day in order to protect and define the rights contained in the Constitution. Whatever the outcome, I’m sure everyone can agree that great care should be taken to ensure everyone’s safety. We all know that any weapon, including guns, and some of the people that use them, can be dangerous. Let’s remember that the courts, and ultimately, the Supreme Court, is the proper place to present, argue and resolve any differences – because no one wants any more shootouts at the O.K. Corral.


abqjournal.com/1531690/squaring-the-2nd-amendment-and-red-flag-law.html