The new Bump Stock thread

[Swordsmyth]

A clean thread to keep track of what does or doesn't happen about Bump Stocks

[kahless]

You mean this not acptulsa's anti-Trump witch hunt thread or calling Ender a Muslim thread? Damn disappointing dude, disappointing.

Anyway just in.



Washington House Passes Bump Stock Ban
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/us-washington-bump-stock-ban/2018/02/23/id/845206/

[CCTelander]

Well, that lasted all of about 9 minutes. I applaud your effort though Swordsmyth.

[Swordsmyth]

Well, that lasted all of about 9 minutes. I applaud your effort though @Swordsmyth (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=65299).
If nobody else keeps the fight going here then the thread can survive one post.

[FunkBuddha]

Heard what sounded like someone practicing with a bump stock up the road. The worst thing you could do to diminish the "scourge" of bump stocks is to talk about banning them.

As someone with a little experience in the dark art of making shit go "boom", I'll take the active shooter scenario any day over a pressure cooker bomb or bombs placed in a crowded space or spaces.

We need to address the Delta if we want to solve this, not the symptom.

[RonZeplin]

A recap of proposed Second Amendment infringements being pushed by President Trump.

https://pics.me.me/tap-here-to-turn-off-tweet-notifications-for-donald-j-31053724.png

[FunkBuddha]

Been telling folks for years that if 2nd amendment encroachments ever get serious it'll be under a Republican president. A Dem couldn't afford it.

[CCTelander]

Been telling folks for years that if 2nd amendment encroachments ever get serious it'll be under a Republican president. A Dem couldn't afford it.


It's almost always thanks to Republicans that we get the worst gun control. Nothing new here.

[acptulsa]

It's almost always thanks to Republicans that we get the worst gun control. Nothing new here.

But whatever you do, don't vote for Demoncrats (TM)!!

[nikcers]

But whatever you do, don't vote for Demoncrats (TM)!!
Don't vote for democrats but whatever you do don't vote for fake conservatives either.

[acptulsa]

Don't vote for democrats but whatever you do don't vote for fake conservatives either.

And don't vote third party, you're throwing your vote away!

So, don't vote at all...?

[nikcers]

And don't vote third party, you're throwing your vote away!

So, don't vote at all...?
liberty or... not at all?

[TheTexan]

Trump is still way better than Clinton. If Clinton had won, these bump stocks would have been banned a week ago, instead of a few days from now.

Tyranny marches slower with a Republican president.

[Swordsmyth]

The Trump administration on Saturday began the process to ban bump stocks through regulatory action.
“The Department of Justice has submitted to the Office of Management and Budget a notice of a proposed regulation to clarify that the National Firearms and Gun Control Act defines ‘machinegun’ to include bump stock type devices,” Attorney General Jeff Sessions (http://thehill.com/people/jeff-sessions) said in a statement.
The Department of Justice (DOJ) submitted a notice of a regulation (https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/department-justice-submits-notice-proposed-regulation-banning-bump-stocks) regarding the definition of "machinegun" in the National Firearms Act and Gun Control Act and proposing to include "bump stock type devices, and that federal law accordingly prohibits the possession, sale, or manufacture of such devices."
Bump stocks are devices that allow semi-automatic rifles to fire at faster speeds.


ATF previously ruled that it does not have the authority to regulate bump stocks under the existing regulations prohibiting machine guns under federal law.
The proposed rule next has to be approved by the Office of Management and Budget as part of the regulatory review process. ATF also has to submit an analysis and evaluate public comments on regulating the devices. The review process will likely take months.


“Bump stocks are going to be gone,” Trump promised on Thursday.

More at: http://thehill.com/regulation/administration/377729-justice-department-submits-proposal-to-ban-bump-stocks

[pcosmar]

Bump stocks are devices that allow semi-automatic rifles to fire at faster speeds.


False,, Bump stocks are a toy to allow semi-auto to seemingly mimic full auto fire..

I would prefer that they had never been created by the regulations banning Guns.

If you want full auto just build a full auto ghost and shut up about it.

[Intoxiklown]

"Banning possession"

Those two words worry me. Worried because I can't fathom the legal problems and media infamy that will befall my family and me if some government messenger boy shows up to "take possession" of my personal shit. More so since I'm not sure I'll be able to exercise restraint and not treat them as I would any SOB who just showed up at my house trying to steal stuff.....

[kcchiefs6465]

Trump is still way better than Clinton. If Clinton had won, these bump stocks would have been banned a week ago, instead of a few days from now.

Tyranny marches slower with a Republican president.
This is just dumb. It's not hard to see what Trump is doing. He is only acting like he wants to ban these stocks so that the NRA can sue and get it overturned. Negotiating 101.

[Dr.3D]

So are they going to ban, rubber bands?

[TheTexan]

So are they going to ban, rubber bands?

A rubber band by itself is fine. But a rubber band in the same closet as a firearm is illegal.

Kinda like an aluminum can, a sock, and a wingnut, by themselves are fine. But together - a silencer.

I hope you have a tax stamp for that.

[Swordsmyth]

ATF Chief tells Congress laws to ban bump fire stocks is best route

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/171201182235-david-shortell-headshot-small-11.jpg
(https://www.cnn.com/profiles/david-shortell)By David Shortell (https://www.cnn.com/profiles/david-shortell), CNN
Updated 12:21 PM ET, Wed March 14, 2018



(CNN)The acting head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives acknowledged Wednesday that he has been told by some attorneys that banning bump fire stocks through executive regulation would lead to court challenges that would delay the implementation of a ban.

Pressed by Democratic Connecticut Sen. Richard Blumenthal, ATF Acting Director Thomas Brandon told members of Congress that banning bump stocks through legislation would be "clearly the best route," highlighting the issue with President Donald Trump's promises to ban via executive order the devices, which allow semiautomatic rifles to fire at a faster rate.





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[Swordsmyth]

President Trump (http://thehill.com/people/donald-trump) on Friday announced that the Department of Justice would issue a new rule banning bump stocks.
In a tweet, Trump announced that he was directing DOJ to reverse a 2010 decision by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosive (ATF) that classified bump stocks as firearm parts so the devices could be banned under current laws that prohibit owning fully automatic weapons.
Trump blamed the legalization of bump stocks on the Obama administration.

"Obama Administration legalized bump stocks. BAD IDEA. As I promised, today the Department of Justice will issue the rule banning BUMP STOCKS with a mandated comment period. We will BAN all devices that turn legal weapons into illegal machine guns," Trump tweeted.
Obama Administration legalized bump stocks. BAD IDEA. As I promised, today the Department of Justice will issue the rule banning BUMP STOCKS with a mandated comment period. We will BAN all devices that turn legal weapons into illegal machine guns.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 23, 2018 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/977286489410240514?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
The decision Friday follows a letter sent by GOP senators in October urging the administration to review the decision after a mass shooter used the device in killing 58 people at a country music concert in Las Vegas.

More at: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/380018-trump-reverses-obama-era-rule-to-ban-bump-stocks

[dannno]

Comment period, eh?

[TheCount]

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dannno

[EBounding]

977286489410240514

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[TheTexan]

Comment period, eh?

So people can comment, before it gets banned.

Because we certainly wouldn't want to ban it without due process.

[Swordsmyth]

So people can comment, before it gets banned.

Because we certainly wouldn't want to ban it without due process.

"Take the guns first, then due process."

[TheTexan]

I think the lesson to be learned here, is that any weapon that is designed to kill people, isn't protected by the 2nd amendment.

If it's designed to kill deer then its OK

[TheCount]

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Let's see.. Trump:

Spends more than Obama
Drones more than Obama
Bombs more than Obama
Has created more new taxes than Obama
Soon will have implemented more gun control than Obama


At what point will Obama be considered more conservative than Trump?

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Let's see.. Trump:

Spends more than Obama
Drones more than Obama
Bombs more than Obama
Has created more new taxes than Obama
Soon will have implemented more gun control than Obama


At what point will Obama be considered more conservative than Trump?



But you voted for Obama, right? Twice, right?

If you give away the principle, you're just negotiating price.

[dannno]

977286489410240514
@dannno (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=10908)

I beat you.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I beat you.

Somebody should. Regular forum members here complain about constantly losing and then embrace the very trolls attempting to cause excessive RPF infighting and reducing visitor membership.

[dannno]

So people can comment, before it gets banned.

Because we certainly wouldn't want to ban it without due process.

Do all of the comments need to be read first?

I'll bet we could come up with some awfully long comments. Maybe stick an omnibus bill in the middle randomly or something.

[fedupinmo]

Been telling folks for years that if 2nd amendment encroachments ever get serious it'll be under a Republican president. A Dem couldn't afford it.

Democrats are opposed by the side with guns... Republicans are on your side! :toady:

[EBounding]

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[dannno]

Comment Period Open for Bump Stocks

https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=ATF-2018-0001-35714

[Aratus]

Been telling folks for years that if 2nd amendment encroachments ever get serious it'll be under a Republican president. A Dem couldn't afford it.

POTUS JEB logic...

[Swordsmyth]

Under New Jersey’s new bump-stock ban, which was approved in January, residents were supposed to destroy or turn in their bump stocks by mid-April.
So far, New Jersey State Police say, they have not received a single one.


Months after a man used a bump stock to quickly mow down 58 people in Las Vegas, seven states now prohibit the sale and possession of the devices, which enable semiautomatic rifles to fire at the rate of fully automatic fire. Bans of bump stocks in Hawaii and Connecticut are currently awaiting governors’ signatures, and lawmakers in Delaware and Rhode Island are expected to approve bans soon.
Even though proposed bump-stock bans have stalled in more than a dozen states, gun control advocates who want to rid the country of the accessory are celebrating their existing statehouse victories. They agree with gun owners and police, however, that enforcing the bans will be a challenge.
It’s hard to know for sure, but Americans could own as many as 520,000 bump stocks, according to estimates from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). Many of the devices are untraceable, in part because they don’t have serial numbers.

New Jersey is not the only state having trouble enforcing its ban. In Massachusetts, where residents had until February to surrender their bump stocks, State Police received just three devices. The Bay State’s ban, which passed in November, is a felony.


Bump-stock bans in Florida, Maryland, Vermont, and Washington have been approved but have not yet gone into effect.
Connecticut’s ban has passed both houses of the state legislature and is awaiting the signature of Democratic Gov. Dannel Malloy. Jeremy Stein, executive director of Connecticut Against Gun Violence, said he doesn’t expect the ban in his state to prompt a flood of bump-stock owners to turn in their devices.
“Unless the police are getting search warrants to go house by house, there will probably be people who aren’t giving up their bump stocks,” Mr. Stein said. “Enforcement will come into play when the police are investigating other crimes, like domestic violence or whatever, and they come across a bump stock. They can tack on another charge.”
Connecticut State Police are preparing for residents to turn in their bump stocks, said Sgt. Alex Giannone of the Special Licensing and Firearms Unit. But Mr. Giannone is not expecting the state to receive many of the devices.
“I don’t believe this is a widely purchased and popular accessory,” he said.
Still, when a person does surrender a bump stock, state police will dismantle the device, destroy it with a saw, and burn it in an incinerator, he said.
One of the main reasons why owners are not turning in their bump stocks to authorities is that there’s no financial incentive attached to many of these state bans, said Mark Pennak, the president of Maryland Shall Issue, a gun rights group that opposed Maryland’s recently passed bump-stock ban.
“You’re basically telling people to destroy their property,” Mr. Pennak said. “If you take someone’s private property, you have to pay for it.”


Maryland’s ban, which goes into effect in October 2019, does not include a buy-back program. But the one in Washington State does: A section of the new law calls on the Washington State Patrol to establish a year-long buy-back program starting in July, where residents can turn in bump stocks and receive $150.
Delaware’s proposed bump-stock ban, which has passed the state House and is being considered by the Senate, would include $15,000 toward a buy-back program.
Another concern for some gun rights activists is that the state bans do not give enough notice to residents that possessing a bump stock is, in most cases, a felony.
Hawaii’s bump-stock ban, which awaits the signature of Democratic Gov. David Ige would go into effect immediately and carry a five-year, $10,000 fine upon a conviction. The language of the bill, however, does not include a grace period or any instruction for how residents can dispose of their devices. This sort of vagueness concerns Harvey Gerwig, president of the Hawaii Rifle Association, an affiliate of the National Rifle Association.
“Nobody knows how to implement this stuff,” Mr. Gerwig said. “There’s nothing in the bill that says what will happen.”
Gerwig said he fears that gun owners who don’t closely follow state policy changes and therefore aren’t aware of the ban might be charged with a felony if they are caught using or even possessing the devices.
Vermont’s bump-stock ban does instruct the Department of Public Safety to “develop, promote, and execute a collection process that permits persons to voluntarily and anonymously relinquish bump-fire stocks” before the new law goes into effect in October.
But Evan Hughes, the vice president of NRA Foundation Projects at the Vermont Federation of Sportsmen’s Clubs, a gun rights group, said the law is still “virtually unenforceable.”
“The only way to comply with the law is divest themselves of their property,” he said.

More at: https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2018/0521/With-lack-of-incentives-few-Americans-are-giving-up-their-bump-stocks