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euphemia
02-14-2018, 03:30 PM
Sad, sad, sad.

A gunman opened fire at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High school in Parkland, Fla., on Wednesday, officials there said. According to local news reports, at least 20 people were injured. The Broward County Sheriff’s Office said the shooting suspect, who fled the scene, has been taken into custody. Follow below for the latest updates.

Link1 (https://www.yahoo.com/news/live-updates-shooting-high-school-parkland-fla-multiple-injuries-reported-200936418.html)

At least 20 students were feared hurt and "there are many deaths," according to Sen. Bill Nelson, in a shooting Wednesday at a high school in Parkland, Florida, as local media reported a student was considered a person of interest.

Link2 (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/14/florida-high-school-under-lockdown-after-reports-shooter-victims-police-say.html)

Anti Federalist
02-14-2018, 03:44 PM
Great...sigh.

euphemia
02-14-2018, 03:47 PM
I was coming home from Ash Wednesday services when the story broke. People are going to blame guns, but I saw an interview with a student who knew the shooter. The shooter was removed from regular school and sent to an alternative school. I can bet you there are psych drugs involved. In the focus on guns, this will be swept under the rug. Psych drugs were involved at Sandy Hook, too.

Douglas High School has a guard on duty all the time. This is going to be a big mess.

Anti Federalist
02-14-2018, 03:53 PM
I was coming home from Ash Wednesday services when the story broke. People are going to blame guns, but I saw an interview with a student who knew the shooter. The shooter was removed from regular school and sent to an alternative school. I can bet you there are psych drugs involved. In the focus on guns, this will be swept under the rug. Psych drugs were involved at Sandy Hook, too.

Douglas High School has a guard on duty all the time. This is going to be a big mess.

It always is a big mess.

I agree, it's almost a sure thing this kid was psych drugs of some kind.

Maybe blame the school system itself, for the crushing of the spirit that occurs.

Brian4Liberty
02-14-2018, 03:56 PM
Watch out. The new GOP will probably pass gun control legislation that their communist colleagues could never dream of getting passed.

It's for the children! - The new rallying cry of the GOP.

dannno
02-14-2018, 03:57 PM
Nicolas de Jesus Cruz

Brian4Liberty
02-14-2018, 03:59 PM
...
I agree, it's almost a sure thing this kid was psych drugs of some kind.
...

They'll look into that right after the gun control legislation is passed. They promise.

dannno
02-14-2018, 04:02 PM
Watch out. The new GOP will probably pass gun control legislation that their communist colleagues could never dream of getting passed.

It's for the children! - The new rallying cry of the GOP.

You willing to take a wager on this one?

Brian4Liberty
02-14-2018, 04:10 PM
You willing to take a wager on this one?

And Paul Ryan will spearhead it.

Swordsmyth
02-14-2018, 04:12 PM
I'm sure it's just a coincidence that this happened just when cc reciprocity was starting to look like it might pass again.:mad:

euphemia
02-14-2018, 04:19 PM
Nicolas de Jesus Cruz

Shep Smith cut off several people trying to get his name out there.

acptulsa
02-14-2018, 04:22 PM
2:20 p.m. EST: Shooter shoots fourteen people.
2:24 p.m: Shooter leaves campus.
2:41 p.m: Police arrive on campus
*Somewhere in between* Lone gunman--the one and only perp, according to authorities--arrested and taken to hospital as a "precautionary measure".
5:20 p.m: Children are still being terrorized on that campus, locked down, herded like cattle, paraded out between phalaxes of heavily armed people, and being told to raise their hands and run for their lives.

Brian4Liberty
02-14-2018, 04:24 PM
Gunman was known trouble maker and wacko. Even when they know who they are and what they want to do, they can't do anything about it. All of the edicts, bans and Police state tactics will never prevent every crime. To believe otherwise is to deny reality.

angelatc
02-14-2018, 04:24 PM
Watch out. The new GOP will probably pass gun control legislation that their communist colleagues could never dream of getting passed.

It's for the children! - The new rallying cry of the GOP.

And the RPF LIbertarians, too.

euphemia
02-14-2018, 04:38 PM
There will never be an end to crime, but I think there are definitely some things government could do at this point.

1. Admit there is a problem. The system has become too big, too diversified (in that resources are diverted away from actual education to data collection and law enforcement), and has become unmanageable.

2. Repeal all federal law requiring government to provide a free and convenient education to every child.

3. Immediately close the Dept of Ed, and send all the money back to the states and communities from which it came and let the states and counties become responsible.

4. States and communites can then be very clear that education is not a right, it is a privilege. Any student or parent who disrupts the process can be excused temporarily or permanently and be left to find their own resources for education whether it's private, home, or a free market alternative.

Brian4Liberty
02-14-2018, 04:39 PM
2:20 p.m. EST: Shooter shoots fourteen people.
2:24 p.m: Shooter leaves campus.
2:41 p.m: Police arrive on campus
*Somewhere in between* Lone gunman--the one and only perp, according to authorities--arrested and taken to hospital as a "precautionary measure".
5:20 p.m: Children are still being terrorized on that campus, locked down, herded like cattle, paraded out between phalaxes of heavily armed people, and being told to raise their hands and run for their lives.

You got that right. Did you see the footage of the SWAT team clearing a classroom of what looked like younger kids? They were all raising their hands and many of them were obviously shaking so badly they could hardly hold their hands up.

Raginfridus
02-14-2018, 04:47 PM
Nicolas de Jesus CruzYeah, you don't see any psychos named Thor Cruz.

Brian4Liberty
02-14-2018, 04:51 PM
Nicolas de Jesus Cruz

His name is now starting to be widely reported. Simply Nicolas Cruz.

dannno
02-14-2018, 04:57 PM
His name is now starting to be widely reported. Simply Nicolas Cruz.

Don't fuck with de Jesus.

Raginfridus
02-14-2018, 05:00 PM
Don't $#@! with de Jesus.8 year olds dude

DamianTV
02-14-2018, 05:29 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5392559/Multiple-victims-Florida-school-shooting.html


Former student gunman shoots 'at least 15 dead' and leaves up to 50 injured at Florida High school on Ash Wednesday after going on rampage before being taken into custody in an ambulance following dramatic showdown with SWAT


A gunman, named as Nicolas de Jesus Cruz, 19, has been arrested after opening fire at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida
Authorities report at least 15 casualties at the school while up to 50 were injured in the shooting
Some students barricaded themselves inside their classrooms while others were seen sprinting away from the school as police and SWAT teams swarmed the building
At around 4pm, two hours after he first opened fire, police took the suspected gunman into custody
Police described him as a former student and ex-member of the JROTC
A student who claims to know Cruz said the suspected gunman was a 'troubled kid' and obsessed with guns
'I stayed clear of him. I didn't want to cause any conflict with him because of the impression he gave off'


By Hannah Parry For Dailymail.com

Published: 17:25 EST, 14 February 2018 | Updated: 18:06 EST, 14 February 2018

A suspected gunman has been arrested after opening fire on a Florida high school on Ash Wednesday, leaving as many as 15 dead and up to 50 injured.

The 'heavily armed' shooter, named by police sources to DailyMail.com as former student Nicolas de Jesus Cruz, 19, entered Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, armed with what appears to be an assault rifle, and began shooting at just after 2pm.

Broward Sheriff confirmed that 'we have at least 14 victims' although he did not specify whether they had been injured or killed. Florida Senator Bill Nelson told Fox News there were 'many deaths'.

Sources told ABC News at least 15 people had been confirmed dead.

The traumatized students said that once they heard reports of a mass shooting at the school, they knew it would be Cruz.

Matthew Walker, a 17-year-old student at the school, told WFOR-TV that all his classmates 'knew it was going to be him.'

'A lot of people were saying it was going to be him,' he said. 'A lot of kids threw jokes around saying that he was going to be the one to shoot up the school. It turns out that everyone predicted it. That's crazy.'

'He was going class to class just shooting at random kids,' he said. 'Everything he posts (on social media) is about weapons. It's sick.'

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Full article on link, and Pics and a Video I didnt copy over due to copyright stuffs.

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My first thought is "yet another one"? I've heard so many of these that I think I have spent my lifetimes worth of sympathy spent for the victims. I was working at a TV station when news broke about the Columbine Massacre. They would not shut up about it. Now, it hardly gets any attention. Maybe for a few days, then they just move on and forget about it, never really answering any questions.

My next thought is how the MSM is going to LIE about this. Ive called MSM out on this constantly having worked in the industry, they LIE BY EXCLUSION OF FACTS. Not just in regards to School Shootings, but how to Bias the information they sell to people in general, Elections, Taxes, Health, everything. Every topic. Such as "new study", but they never tell you who conducted the study and what separates scientific conclusions from studies. Studies presented by "Experts". A new study shows that fifty percent of studies are eighty percent bullshit.

What MSM will flat out lie about in most School Shootings is SSRIs. Lie By Exclusion. That is how the MSM works. They will talk endlessly about things that provoke the most emotional response but never logical thought nor anything that costs them money. If they were to talk about how many of these shootings involved people on SSRI drugs, then drug manufacturers would stop running their ads on those stations and networks. Something about biting the hand that feeds you. They did the same shit with Ron Paul, they did everything in their power to act like Ron Paul did not exist (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keWX55SpYmU) (video link) what so ever.

Point being, is the MSM even going to mention that MAYBE there was no SSRI involvement in this shooting either.

How many times is the MSM going to cover up SSRI drugs in so many shootings?

oyarde
02-14-2018, 05:34 PM
His name is now starting to be widely reported. Simply Nicolas Cruz.

Because nobody named Jesus should be a whacko on Psych drugs hurting people .....

oyarde
02-14-2018, 05:34 PM
And the RPF LIbertarians, too.

I just think of them as democrats .

DamianTV
02-14-2018, 05:38 PM
SSRIs?

Swordsmyth
02-14-2018, 05:45 PM
Report: Florida Shooter Inspired by ISIS – Allahu Akbarhttps://www.infowars.com/report-florida-shooter-inspired-by-isis-allahu-akbar/

euphemia
02-14-2018, 05:47 PM
Yes, I mentioned this up thread. Not as eloquently as you did, for sure. There was a comment by the local superintendent, I think, regarding mental illness. It kind of dissipated into thin air. No capture, because, as you said, the focus will be on guns.

Anti Federalist
02-14-2018, 05:47 PM
Report: Florida Shooter Inspired by ISIS – Allahu Akbarhttps://www.infowars.com/report-florida-shooter-inspired-by-isis-allahu-akbar/

Oh god no, please.

I used to be fan of Jones, but please, no.

Swordsmyth
02-14-2018, 05:50 PM
Oh god no, please.

I used to be fan of Jones, but please, no.

I simply assume the government is behind all these incidents, if they want to blame the muslims they will leave enough "evidence" around to do it with.

euphemia
02-14-2018, 06:04 PM
The fact is, there were signs this kid would snap. The students seem to have had kind of a running joke that Cruz would be the one who shot up the school. I’m not sure how to feel about this. I like and respect young people. Many of them knew. This is the kind of thing I wish we could get young people to talk about. It haunts me that there were so many red flags and nobody took the kids seriously. Even the teachers knew he was not to bring a backpack to school. There was a guard at this school.

specsaregood
02-14-2018, 06:28 PM
Oh god no, please.

I used to be fan of Jones, but please, no.

I clicked on a link to an article on his site the other day; it was sad and dumbass beyond belief.

kcchiefs6465
02-14-2018, 06:49 PM
1.They need to quit publicizing these crimes in the manner they do. They are promoting it. They put the manifestos up and give the psychos 15 minutes.

2. Dispel public schools or at the very least allow firearms to be carried by staff and on property.

3. Arm students of proper ability. We all grew up shooting guns and firearms safety is a basic task.

donnay
02-14-2018, 06:50 PM
Report: Florida Shooter Inspired by ISIS – Allahu Akbarhttps://www.infowars.com/report-florida-shooter-inspired-by-isis-allahu-akbar/

https://hw.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/27750683_10156174866673979_4436532161539179529_n.j pg

https://hw.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/1518648350830.png

https://hw.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/1518644124045.png

angelatc
02-14-2018, 07:39 PM
Nicolas de Jesus Cruz

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWB6fH4U0AArqIj.jpg

goldenequity
02-14-2018, 07:42 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/ourxpo/picture200179784/alternates/FREE_1140/suspect.jpg

AZJoe
02-14-2018, 08:05 PM
But its a gun free zone. The shooting is impossible.

timosman
02-14-2018, 08:15 PM
But its a gun free zone. The shooting is impossible.

The zone wasn't big enough. :cool:

euphemia
02-14-2018, 08:23 PM
This school had a guard.

AZJoe
02-14-2018, 09:39 PM
Dr. AWR Hawkins–Florida School Shooting: Time to Arm Teachers for Self-Defense (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/14/florida-school-shooting-time-to-arm-teachers-for-self-defense/)

Are teachers to join their students and shelter in place while dialing 911? ... arm themselves with chalkboard erasers, books, or rulers?
All of these are terrifying options because they ultimately mask defenseless – the very defenselessness that results from being disarmed ...

Consider ... Sandy Hook ... The attacker ... had over nine minutes (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/02/13/sandy-hook-report-adam-lanza-had-over-9-minutes-with-no-armed-resistance/) without armed resistance. ... over nine minutes with no means of defense ...
What if just two teachers had been armed? How many lives might they have saved, even if it took till the four minute mark to stop the attacker? ...

The lessons from Sandy Hook cross over to Marjory Stoneman Douglas ... How many lives could two (or three) armed teachers have saved by greeting the attacker with armed resistance? ...

It is inhumane to demand that educators likewise be sitting ducks.

euphemia
02-14-2018, 09:41 PM
This school had a guard.

He was one of the ones shot as far as I can tell. If he was armed, this would be a moot point.

pcosmar
02-14-2018, 10:08 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWB6fH4U0AArqIj.jpg


http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/ourxpo/picture200179784/alternates/FREE_1140/suspect.jpg

Any bets that this kid had a handler with an anti gun agenda?

looks sort of antifa..

Swordsmyth
02-14-2018, 10:15 PM
Any bets that this kid had a handler with an anti gun agenda?

looks sort of antifa..


I'm sure it's just a coincidence that this happened just when cc reciprocity was starting to look like it might pass again.:mad:
...

pcosmar
02-14-2018, 10:17 PM
...

More Federal agents with agendas? this must be Wednesday.

Anti Federalist
02-14-2018, 11:13 PM
Consider ... Sandy Hook ... The attacker ... had over nine minutes (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/02/13/sandy-hook-report-adam-lanza-had-over-9-minutes-with-no-armed-resistance/) without armed resistance. ... over nine minutes with no means of defense ...
What if just two teachers had been armed? How many lives might they have saved, even if it took till the four minute mark to stop the attacker? ...

From what I have read, it looks like this took two hours to bring to a close.

Swordsmyth
02-14-2018, 11:19 PM
Following reports of the shooting, Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., took to the Senate floor to criticize congressional inaction on gun issues.

Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., was among the many other voices who said that something needed to be done. He called the shooting "bad for Florida and the country."We ought to say enough is enough," he said on CNN. "The question is once you get into the investigation: How did the shooter obtain the weapon? Was it a high-caliber weapon? Was it obtained lawfully? And, if so, that ought to have people start thinking about such things as background checks on the purchase of a gun and the question of an assault rifle if in fact one was used.”


Other lawmakers have also called for gun control.

Our schools should be a place where students and teachers feel safe. How many more senseless tragedies does this country have to endure until Congress acts? https://t.co/QU5AE6LVzR
— Senator Cortez Masto (@SenCortezMasto) February 14, 2018 (https://twitter.com/SenCortezMasto/status/963896273865728000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)



Another terrible school shooting, this time in Florida. At least 18 other school shootings have already happened this year. My heart breaks for those children and their parents. How many more victims until we decide gun violence is a national problem? https://t.co/QbLjIbTQEO
— Eliot Engel (@RepEliotEngel) February 14, 2018 (https://twitter.com/RepEliotEngel/status/963894762213462016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)



Keeping the students and victims at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in my thoughts today.

We need more than moments of silence. Congress must take action to stop these tragedies. #EndGunViolence (https://twitter.com/hashtag/EndGunViolence?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
— Rep. Mark Pocan (@repmarkpocan) February 14, 2018 (https://twitter.com/repmarkpocan/status/963894732022837253?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)



I agree with every word @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) said here. I invite him to get off his ass and join me in trying to do something about it. https://t.co/XV0hRENr4B
— Seth Moulton (@sethmoulton) February 14, 2018 (https://twitter.com/sethmoulton/status/963897584791310343?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)



Republicans should pray for forgiveness, for not only their complacency and dereliction of duty, but in contrition for the men, women and children we continue to lay to rest because of senseless gun violence and the cowardly inaction from Congress.
— Bonnie WatsonColeman (@RepBonnie) February 14, 2018 (https://twitter.com/RepBonnie/status/963897990615363584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)



Another day, another shooting, indeed, multiple shootings today, while Congress sits in the grip of the NRA, incapable of making the slightest gesture toward reasonable gun safety.
— Lloyd Doggett (@RepLloydDoggett) February 14, 2018 (https://twitter.com/RepLloydDoggett/status/963903747394097152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)




More at: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/02/14/here-lawmakers-calling-gun-control-wake-florida-shooting/338828002/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories

Ender
02-14-2018, 11:21 PM
But its a gun free zone. The shooting is impossible.

Obviously. /sarc

All these shootings are in gun-free zones and my bet is that the shooters are drugged to the max. Also, possible handlers involved.

Always seems suspicious.

Raginfridus
02-14-2018, 11:38 PM
This school had a guard.Besides the hall monitor?

Raginfridus
02-14-2018, 11:48 PM
https://hw.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/27750683_10156174866673979_4436532161539179529_n.j pg

https://hw.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/1518648350830.png

https://hw.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/1518644124045.pngHow is he a commie? He wears a shirt mocking communism, and that's evidence now?

Raginfridus
02-14-2018, 11:51 PM
How is he a commie? He wears a shirt mocking communism, and that's evidence now?

10 to 1 he tried enlisting in the Army.

Mach
02-15-2018, 12:02 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWB6fH4U0AArqIj.jpg


http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/ourxpo/picture200179784/alternates/FREE_1140/suspect.jpg
I have already been to a few sights that say that these are not the same people, the seemingly different color hair is on top of the list, next look at the ears, hard to say, lighting, angles etc.. etc.. other sites have said that commie pic was from years ago, but he's not that old, years ago he would have been smaller.... whoever that is in the hat, I think this is his band, not sure.... KMFDM (hat)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KMFDM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwhOTNQcQq4

PRB
02-15-2018, 12:16 AM
WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

Exactly 89 years after St. Valentine's Day massacre.

17 dead.

What's 8+9?

Explain that coincidence theorists! How many more obvious signs do you need?

GunnyFreedom
02-15-2018, 12:16 AM
Report: Florida Shooter Inspired by ISIS – Allahu Akbar

https://www.infowars.com/report-florida-shooter-inspired-by-isis-allahu-akbar/

This is Marcel Fontaine. Former Ron Pauler, turned full-blown Anarcho-Capitalist ,turned batshirt Bernie Bot, turned full-on Lennist-Trotskyite "North Korea is Real Korea" Communist. This is not Nikolas Cruz. This is not a picture of the shooter. InfoWars has been notified of this fact ad-nauseam and they still have it up.

https://i.imgur.com/GwYDzRm.png

PRB
02-15-2018, 12:17 AM
and he's not a commie, that shirt is a popular joke from Bustedtees.com , not to say commies can't have a sense of humor, but unlikely that he's a commie.

Swordsmyth
02-15-2018, 12:18 AM
This is Marcel Fontaine. Former Ron Pauler, turned full-blown Anarcho-Capitalist ,turned batshirt Bernie Bot, turned full-on Lennist-Trotskyite "North Korea is Real Korea" Communist. This is not Nikolas Cruz. This is not a picture of the shooter. InfoWars has been notified of this fact ad-nauseam and they still have it up.

https://i.imgur.com/GwYDzRm.png

Thanks.

PRB
02-15-2018, 12:21 AM
I have already been to a few sights that say that these are not the same people, the seemingly different color hair is on top of the list, next look at the ears, hard to say, lighting, angles etc.. etc.. other sites have said that commie pic was from years ago, but he's not that old, years ago he would have been smaller.... whoever that is in the hat, I think this is his band, not sure.... KMFDM (hat)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KMFDM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwhOTNQcQq4

This is the t-shirt, it's a mockery of communism, serious commies wouldn't wear it.
https://www.bustedtees.com/t-shirt/communistparty

Mach
02-15-2018, 12:26 AM
This is Marcel Fontaine. Former Ron Pauler, turned full-blown Anarcho-Capitalist ,turned batshirt Bernie Bot, turned full-on Lennist-Trotskyite "North Korea is Real Korea" Communist. This is not Nikolas Cruz. This is not a picture of the shooter. InfoWars has been notified of this fact ad-nauseam and they still have it up.

https://i.imgur.com/GwYDzRm.png

Yeah, was just going to edit my last post, way too much nose difference....


https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/nikolas-cruz.jpeg?quality=65&strip=all

GunnyFreedom
02-15-2018, 12:32 AM
How is he a commie? He wears a shirt mocking communism, and that's evidence now?

The dude wearing that shirt is in fact a full-on commie, but he is not Nikolas Cruz, and he is not this shooter.

Marcel Fontaine is on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/metallifanatica81

This guy:

https://i.imgur.com/3Z11KRH.jpg

Is not Nikolas Cruz.

https://i.imgur.com/K0kZJfC.png

https://i.imgur.com/yI5BKE1.png

GunnyFreedom
02-15-2018, 12:33 AM
and he's not a commie, that shirt is a popular joke from Bustedtees.com , not to say commies can't have a sense of humor, but unlikely that he's a commie.

He is absolutely a commie. I knew the guy through his "transition." He felt the Bern.

Mach
02-15-2018, 01:01 AM
This guy supposedly reported Cruz last September to YT and the FBI.

YouTube user notified FBI after Stoneman Douglas shooter comment, ‘I want to be a professional school shooter’

https://scallywagandvagabond.com/2018/02/benthebondsman-youtube-fbi-nikolas-cruz-professional-school-shooter/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzNwinmBawo

Mach
02-15-2018, 01:06 AM
Some more Cruz info, including the Dispatch recordings.

https://viral.buzzunites.com/2018/02/15/nikolas-cruz-5-fast-facts-you-need-to-know/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=869&v=M_hHXDbmW-A


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=202&v=Y91x6kfy_0s

goldenequity
02-15-2018, 06:34 AM
the guy in ANTIFA t-shirt is definitely not this guy

964106517782908928

shakey1
02-15-2018, 06:56 AM
ffs... perhaps teachers should start being trained on handling firearms... & lose the gun-free-zone signage.

https://img1.etsystatic.com/058/0/10258213/il_570xN.700282971_epfg.jpg

EBounding
02-15-2018, 07:18 AM
The only solution is full confiscation--which will create even more problems.

Raginfridus
02-15-2018, 07:21 AM
WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

Exactly 89 years after St. Valentine's Day massacre.

17 dead.

What's 8+9?

Explain that coincidence theorists! How many more obvious signs do you need?

What are you Ms Cleo? What's the numerological significance of the ignore button?

euphemia
02-15-2018, 08:46 AM
There was a lot of loss in the shooter's life. Adopted, father died, mom died late last year. Couch surfing with a friend's family. Seems to have been dealing with things with bullying and angry fantasies. Lead him to this. Wow. This is a sad and horrible story.

A. Havnes
02-15-2018, 09:21 AM
I was coming home from Ash Wednesday services when the story broke. People are going to blame guns, but I saw an interview with a student who knew the shooter. The shooter was removed from regular school and sent to an alternative school. I can bet you there are psych drugs involved. In the focus on guns, this will be swept under the rug. Psych drugs were involved at Sandy Hook, too.

Douglas High School has a guard on duty all the time. This is going to be a big mess.

I think psych drugs are involved in all of them! Cass lake, Columbine (don't know about Dylan, but Eric Harris was definitely on them), etc.

donnay
02-15-2018, 09:33 AM
I think psych drugs are involved in all of them! Cass lake, Columbine (don't know about Dylan, but Eric Harris was definitely on them), etc.

I watched Hannity last night and he had a male and female doctor on, and when the female doctor started talking about the psychotropic drugs Hannity quickly agreed and cut her off. It is pretty obvious that FOX sponsors (Big pHARMa) do not want to be in a national discussion about these shootings.

The fact is they are putting these kids on these drugs as early as elementary school. There needs to be some sunshine on this issue.

Brian4Liberty
02-15-2018, 10:10 AM
And now we have the obligatory ritual of every major and minor politician, administrator and law enforcement head in their most decorated uniform doing a joint "news conference". It's their chance to be on TV. Never let a tragedy go to waste.

Brian4Liberty
02-15-2018, 10:21 AM
This is Marcel Fontaine. Former Ron Pauler, turned full-blown Anarcho-Capitalist ,turned batshirt Bernie Bot, turned full-on Lennist-Trotskyite "North Korea is Real Korea" Communist. This is not Nikolas Cruz. This is not a picture of the shooter. InfoWars has been notified of this fact ad-nauseam and they still have it up.

https://i.imgur.com/GwYDzRm.png

Yeah, he didn't look like the same guy they have been showing on TV.

Brian4Liberty
02-15-2018, 10:25 AM
1.They need to quit publicizing these crimes in the manner they do. They are promoting it. They put the manifestos up and give the psychos 15 minutes.
...

They keep score like it is a contest.

Todd
02-15-2018, 10:38 AM
Any bets that this kid had a handler with an anti gun agenda?

looks sort of antifa..

but but but..... Antifa are teh good guys.........peaceful and non violent.

Anti Federalist
02-15-2018, 11:36 AM
WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

Exactly 89 years after St. Valentine's Day massacre.

17 dead.

What's 8+9?

Explain that coincidence theorists! How many more obvious signs do you need?

Oh shut the fuck up, will you please?

Anti Federalist
02-15-2018, 11:41 AM
He is absolutely a commie. I knew the guy through his "transition." He felt the Bern.

He's holding a banner that says "White Science = Violence".

How'd he come to loathe his own skin so much?

Thanks for posting that info by the way, more InfoWars bullshit that needs to be swept aside.

Not for nothing, I reckon that is where a lot of RP people went, to the Bernie camp.

kcchiefs6465
02-15-2018, 11:49 AM
He's holding a banner that says "White Science = Violence".

How'd he come to loathe his own skin so much?

Thanks for posting that info by the way, more InfoWars bullshit that needs to be swept aside.

Not for nothing, I reckon that is where a lot of RP people went, to the Bernie camp.
I believe he was trying to spell "silence."

Anti Federalist
02-15-2018, 11:53 AM
There was a lot of loss in the shooter's life. Adopted, father died, mom died late last year. Couch surfing with a friend's family. Seems to have been dealing with things with bullying and angry fantasies. Lead him to this. Wow. This is a sad and horrible story.

And that would lead me to believe that, if he had been on psychotropic drugs, that he more than likely was no longer taking them, seeing as how he was essentially homeless, with both parents dead.

And that, quitting those drugs "cold turkey", as we all know already, is well established as being liable to cause homicidal or suicidal thoughts and actions.

devil21
02-15-2018, 11:59 AM
Oh shut the fuck up, will you please?

Actually, PRB isn't far off. De Jesus Cruz (cross in spanish) captured by Sheriff Israel on Ash Wednesday, the start of Lent. Saint Nicholas, the patron saint of students and Wednesday fasting observances. I think dannno was alluding to this, also. They're telling a story through numbers, allegory and names. Oh and that whole gun control/NWO thing too. The usual second shooter reports have been ignored by the media...

eta: Anniversary of the Valentine's Day Massacre, perpetrated by Italian mafia. Sounds a bit like the current Catholic Church to me.

goldenequity
02-15-2018, 12:06 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWFK56PX4AASi_S.jpg:small

devil21
02-15-2018, 12:08 PM
^^^^^^
Anybody see a Jade Helm thread around here anywhere?

(Mnunchin today urged Congress to review gun legislation.)

jllundqu
02-15-2018, 12:52 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWFK56PX4AASi_S.jpg:small

That picture is most certainly not him.

Republicanguy
02-15-2018, 01:44 PM
The kid didn't need to own a weapon or the weapon he did own. I'm staggered by the madness of American society.

kcchiefs6465
02-15-2018, 01:53 PM
The kid didn't need to own a weapon or the weapon he did own. I'm staggered by the madness of American society.
Shut the fuck up, commie.

acptulsa
02-15-2018, 01:55 PM
The kid didn't need to own a weapon or the weapon he did own. I'm staggered by the madness of American society.

The kid didn't need to lose both his parents. Given that didn't happen, he didn't need to have his brains scrambled by SSRI anti-depressants. Given that did happen, he didn't need to be tempted by all those lovely 'Gun Free Zone' signs.

I'm staggered by the arrogance of people who have no clue about us judging us and proscribing all the wrong cures for what ails us.

PursuePeace
02-15-2018, 01:58 PM
The kid didn't need to lose both his parents. Given that didn't happen, he didn't need to have his brains scrambled by SSRI anti-depressants. Given that did happen, he didn't need to be tempted by all those lovely 'Gun Free Zone' signs.

I'm staggered by the arrogance of people who have no clue about us judging us and proscribing all the wrong cures for what ails us.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to acptulsa again.

phill4paul
02-15-2018, 02:13 PM
Shootings carried out in which the shooter was known to the FBI. Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Omar Mateen. Maj. Nidal Hasan. And this guy.

acptulsa
02-15-2018, 02:16 PM
Shootings carried out in which the shooter was known to the FBI. Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Omar Mateen. Maj. Nidal Hasan. And this guy.

Shouldn't we start with Lee Harvey Oswald? Though then we'd have to say, 'alleged shooter'.

phill4paul
02-15-2018, 02:18 PM
Shouldn't we start with Lee Harvey Oswald? Though then we'd have to say, 'alleged shooter'.

Sure. That can be added to the list. I just picked out some of the latest off the top off my head.

Swordsmyth
02-15-2018, 02:23 PM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to acptulsa again.

Covered

Carlybee
02-15-2018, 02:24 PM
The kid didn't need to own a weapon or the weapon he did own. I'm staggered by the madness of American society.

He wouldve figured out a way to get one, or use something else.

Anti Federalist
02-15-2018, 02:40 PM
The kid didn't need to own a weapon or the weapon he did own. I'm staggered by the madness of American society.

Good.

Please stay wherever the fuck you are, never move here and never vote here.

Thank you.

Anti Federalist
02-15-2018, 02:44 PM
I wonder if anybody will address the stultifying matriarchal authoritarianism, the stifling Grundyism and pettifogging pettiness of the government school system, and how it leads unstable kids, especially young men, to snap after years of being drugged with "sit down and behave yourself" brain scrambling medications?

Madison320
02-15-2018, 02:48 PM
The kid didn't need to lose both his parents. Given that didn't happen, he didn't need to have his brains scrambled by SSRI anti-depressants. Given that did happen, he didn't need to be tempted by all those lovely 'Gun Free Zone' signs.

I'm staggered by the arrogance of people who have no clue about us judging us and proscribing all the wrong cures for what ails us.

I just saw that he was in some sort of white supremacist group. The media is going to have field day, they've been waiting for this for years.

Anti Federalist
02-15-2018, 02:52 PM
I just saw that he was in some sort of white supremacist group. The media is going to have field day, they've been waiting for this for years.

Ah, that would explain why they are dropping the "de Jesus Cruz" surname.

The media will morph that into Earl Turner somehow.

acptulsa
02-15-2018, 02:53 PM
I just saw that he was in some sort of white supremacist group. The media is going to have field day, they've been waiting for this for years.

The media is trying to tell us a white supremacist group let someone in named Nikolas de Jesus Cruz?

I don't know about the rest of the media, but the Onion is sure to have a field day with it!

kahless
02-15-2018, 03:25 PM
All over the media now that he was a White Nationalist. It sounds fake and I bet the media knows it is fake but I believe they just don't care since it helps their narrative.

Between the media's activism, outright lying or exaggerating on just about everything and the usual complete incompetence in vetting sources this sounds like bs.

Did the media just get played again by 4chan?

parocks
02-15-2018, 03:40 PM
This is Marcel Fontaine. Former Ron Pauler, turned full-blown Anarcho-Capitalist ,turned batshirt Bernie Bot, turned full-on Lennist-Trotskyite "North Korea is Real Korea" Communist. This is not Nikolas Cruz. This is not a picture of the shooter. InfoWars has been notified of this fact ad-nauseam and they still have it up.

https://i.imgur.com/GwYDzRm.png


That's 4 Chan. For some reason they won't say the name 4 Chan.

parocks
02-15-2018, 03:44 PM
He's holding a banner that says "White Science = Violence".

How'd he come to loathe his own skin so much?

Thanks for posting that info by the way, more InfoWars bull$#@! that needs to be swept aside.

Not for nothing, I reckon that is where a lot of RP people went, to the Bernie camp.

You see tons of Ron Paul "It's Happening" over on 4 Chan. Ironic Nazis.

kahless
02-15-2018, 04:02 PM
That's 4 Chan. For some reason they won't say the name 4 Chan.

Was reading there yesterday, saw quite a few posts about talking crap to a reporter. The Gateway Pundit also got played by the fake Buzzfeed article, that got me to until I found it did not exist since it sounds like something they would say after a tragedy.

Imposter tweets made it even harder for a reporter to cover Florida school shooting
https://www.poynter.org/news/imposter-tweets-made-it-even-harder-reporter-cover-florida-school-shooting

When 4chan users saw that BuzzFeed had debunked a hoax about the shooter being Sam Hyde — whose photo circulates after every shooting ...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWCRlwAUQAAiSmF.jpg

kahless
02-15-2018, 04:25 PM
You see tons of Ron Paul "It's Happening" over on 4 Chan. Ironic Nazis.

Perhaps, but not all alt-right are Nazi's. Probably quite a few Paul supporters over there.

navy-vet
02-15-2018, 04:28 PM
And, if he turns up having been put on SSRI's before he made the youtube comments....someone other than him should be questioned in my opinion
For whatever it's worth...

kahless
02-15-2018, 04:53 PM
So you have the law enforcement saying no connection but this Jereb guy telling the media something different.

Local law enforcement: No ties between militia and Florida high school shooter
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2018/02/15/florida-school-shooting-suspect-nikolas-cruz-member-white-nationalist-militia-tallahassee-leader-say/341751002/

Leon County law enforcement sources told the Tallahassee Democrat that they could not find information linking Cruz, 19, to the Republic of Florida Militia, as claimed by the group’s self-proclaimed leader Jordan Jereb.

His comments to the Anti-Defamation League and The Associated Press set off a media firestorm Thursday at about midday that Cruz was connected to the alt-right, white nationalist group.
....
Jereb said Cruz was a member of the group and had participated in paramilitary training drills in Tallahassee.
...
Jereb did not answer repeated phone calls following law enforcement officials saying they found little to lead them to believe Cruz was connected to the organization which has a scant following of around a dozen members.

kahless
02-15-2018, 05:03 PM
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euphemia
02-15-2018, 05:04 PM
Of all the school shootings, this one makes me the saddest. Somewhere along the way we are letting the system fail kids. The way to save 17 people and the rest who were shot would have been to save Nicholas when he was still reachable. Most of the other shooters came from well off families with parents and grandparents around them. Nikolas Cruz had nobody except the system that managed him with drugs.

Anti Federalist
02-15-2018, 05:17 PM
Of all the school shootings, this one makes me the saddest. Somewhere along the way we are letting the system fail kids. The way to save 17 people and the rest who were shot would have been to save Nicholas when he was still reachable. Most of the other shooters came from well off families with parents and grandparents around them. Nicholas Cruz had nobody except the system that managed him with drugs.

Of course the system is failing kids.

It's not designed to uplift, instruct and embolden, to teach how to think and reason.

It's designed to break down, to bring into compliance, to control these kids.

That this kind of thing doesn't happen every single day is nothing more than commentary on how thoroughly cowed and docile and broken to the saddle we already are.

Especially young boys, who overwhelmingly are the ones who "snap" and end up carrying out these shootings.

euphemia
02-15-2018, 05:42 PM
This is why we have a responsibility to our communities. Not assigning blame, ny any means.

acptulsa
02-15-2018, 05:45 PM
We could start by learning how to spell Nikolas' name. But, of course, we didn't pay any attention to him at all until after his SSRI-induced psychotic episode.

euphemia
02-15-2018, 05:52 PM
Yes, spelling Nikolas correctly would be a start. Thanks.

But it's any kid.

euphemia
02-15-2018, 05:55 PM
I wonder if anybody will address the stultifying matriarchal authoritarianism, the stifling Grundyism and pettifogging pettiness of the government school system, and how it leads unstable kids, especially young men, to snap after years of being drugged with "sit down and behave yourself" brain scrambling medications?

It looks like most of the adults he shot were men.

kcchiefs6465
02-15-2018, 05:56 PM
We could start by learning how to spell Nikolas' name. But, of course, we didn't pay any attention to him at all until after his SSRI-induced psychotic episode.
Lol.

The (alleged) murderer needed more hugs as a child or what?

euphemia
02-15-2018, 06:11 PM
Lol.

The (alleged) murderer needed more hugs as a child or what?

That may have been the case. I'm not one who usually has a lot of concern for perps. I just notice that conservatives and libertarians are getting much more violent in their own reactions, and I think it is because of the constant drone of "ban the guns" from the left. It makes me very uncomfortable. I sounds unprincipled that someone would rather shoot a 19yo than mentor a 10yo.

devil21
02-15-2018, 06:13 PM
All over the media now that he was a White Nationalist. It sounds fake and I bet the media knows it is fake but I believe they just don't care since it helps their narrative.

Between the media's activism, outright lying or exaggerating on just about everything and the usual complete incompetence in vetting sources this sounds like bs.

Did the media just get played again by 4chan?

So lemme get this straight. A school was shot up by a 19 year old Russian Hispanic Muslim Communist White Supremacist? Do people still believe this stuff even after the bs has been laid on this thick? I mean really, only someone completely brain-dead is buying the media's story at this point. It literally ticks the box of every right wing trigger label.

acptulsa
02-15-2018, 06:16 PM
So lemme get this straight. A school was shot up by a 19 year old Russian Hispanic Muslim Communist White Supremacist?

Named Jesus.

Could happen... :rolleyes:

devil21
02-15-2018, 06:19 PM
Named Jesus.

Could happen... :rolleyes:

Jesus on the Cross, no less. Cruz is spanish for cross.

Did anyone see some folks walking around with crosses on their foreheads yesterday?

kcchiefs6465
02-15-2018, 06:22 PM
That may have been the case. I'm not one who usually has a lot of concern for perps. I just notice that conservatives and libertarians are getting much more violent in their own reactions, and I think it is because of the constant drone of "ban the guns" from the left. It makes me very uncomfortable. I sounds unprincipled that someone would rather shoot a 19yo than mentor a 10yo.
It is naive to think that a psychopath is a name spelled correctly and friend away from normalcy in society.

How you defend yourself against criminals is you defend yourself against criminals. You aren't going to prevent all murders but it is the best chance to prevent a murder and is one that does not violate the rights of all.

The coddled youth of America feel they have it tough? Having no friends and all. Maybe being misidentified in their preferred pronoun. Name's not being spelled correctly?

They might travel where the cancerous babies of a wartorn area are cared for. Or maybe they need shipped to see the man made famine in Yemen. They don't even understand pain.

A bunch of social retards coddled since infancy and peddled drugs, whining about injustice and their feelings... Give me a break.

Had the dog been gunned down within the school I'd have called for his tombstone to be random and mislabelled or his body burned.

kahless
02-15-2018, 06:55 PM
So lemme get this straight. A school was shot up by a 19 year old Russian Hispanic Muslim Communist White Supremacist? Do people still believe this stuff even after the bs has been laid on this thick? I mean really, only someone completely brain-dead is buying the media's story at this point. It literally ticks the box of every right wing trigger label.

Democrats' Confidence in Mass Media Rises Sharply From 2016
http://news.gallup.com/poll/219824/democrats-confidence-mass-media-rises-sharply-2016.aspx

72% of Democrats have a "great deal" or "fair amount" of trust in mass media

It has always worked for them so far why stop now. Just look at the term white nationalism, which is essentially the immigration policy that existed for the majority of US history to maintain an white majority that nobody every batted an eye about. They have fear mongered the term so much people are learning to equate the term with racism, discrimination and Nazis. The media is ensuring people cannot determine the difference between White Nationalism and White Supremacy.

euphemia
02-15-2018, 07:01 PM
A bunch of social retards coddled since infancy and peddled drugs, whining about injustice and their feelings... Give me a break.

Really? And who adopted you? How long did you have your father? Where did you go when your mother died? Who filled your system full of drugs? Not exactly someone who was coddled since infancy. In fact, this is the result of our system.

kcchiefs6465
02-15-2018, 07:09 PM
Really? And who adopted you? How long did you have your father? Where did you go when your mother died? Who filled your system full of drugs? Not exactly someone who was coddled since infancy. In fact, this is the result of our system.
To hell with the bastard.

juleswin
02-15-2018, 07:14 PM
Oh my, I can't wait to see the gun control policies that would be enacted after Ivanka is done crying to daddy. He will send the feds busting into everyone's house. Think Australian gun control on steroids.

Hope I am wrong but I am afraid that this is the president and the crisis they've all been waiting for.

Hug your AR for the last time folks cos Trump and the feds will be taking it to stud farm :)

Anti Federalist
02-15-2018, 07:25 PM
It looks like most of the adults he shot were men.

Uh huh.

That in no way negates what I said.

kahless
02-15-2018, 07:28 PM
Oh my, I can't wait to see the gun control policies that would be enacted after Ivanka is done crying to daddy. He will send the feds busting into everyone's house. Think Australian gun control on steroids.

Hope I am wrong but I am afraid that this is the president and the crisis they've all been waiting for.

Hug your AR for the last time folks cos Trump and the feds will be taking it to stud farm :)

Good point, almost forgot about her. I am not sure about AR confiscation but I think they are stupid enough to push mental health laws regardless of the fine details. We would end up with something like if you were ever prescribed an SSRI or some other mind altering medication in your lifetime you would lose your gun rights.

asurfaholic
02-15-2018, 07:28 PM
Oh my, I can't wait to see the gun control policies that would be enacted after Ivanka is done crying to daddy. He will send the feds busting into everyone's house. Think Australian gun control on steroids.

Hope I am wrong but I am afraid that this is the president and the crisis they've all been waiting for.

Hug your AR for the last time folks cos Trump and the feds will be taking it to stud farm :)

I think that the liberty movement would benefit from never letting a crisis go to waste. Of course many of us have come to loath the media and that mindset of politicians to use a tragedy to exploit people during their emotionally trying times, but it’s got to work both ways.

Instead of sitting back and watching others control the narrative that more gun control is needed, we could all be out there pushing the friendly voices such as Ben swann to explore the reasons why gun control methods have failed. We could be tweeting and facebooking support for armed teachers. We should know that the liberals want to use the tragedy to push their agendas, but they are on the wrong side of history.

I believe growing numbers of people are seeing gun control as failed policy. These people need to raise their voices, especially during times like these- there are people who are trying to cope with their thought processes which are all screwed up from the emotions of imagining these young kids last moments. I think we all want nothing more than to protect the kids from nutbags, and need to try to appeal to the logical side- which says gun control doesn’t work. The crazies will find a way and it’s time to re-examine if schools should be considering letting willing teachers arm themselves. They are the front lines in schools today.

Anti Federalist
02-15-2018, 07:29 PM
That may have been the case. I'm not one who usually has a lot of concern for perps. I just notice that conservatives and libertarians are getting much more violent in their own reactions, and I think it is because of the constant drone of "ban the guns" from the left. It makes me very uncomfortable. I sounds unprincipled that someone would rather shoot a 19yo than mentor a 10yo.

I can't speak for everybody, just myself, but I'm feeling backed into a corner by the violent, genocidal rhetoric of the Bolshevik left, that, far from being shouted down in academia and media and the public square, is being encouraged and cheered on.

Thus my increasingly hard nosed and unforgiving stance.

euphemia
02-15-2018, 08:25 PM
I can't speak for everybody, just myself, but I'm feeling backed into a corner by the violent, genocidal rhetoric of the Bolshevik left, that, far from being shouted down in academia and media and the public square, is being encouraged and cheered on.

Thus my increasingly hard nosed and unforgiving stance.

But would Ron Paul really advocate matching the violence of the rhetoric and not the logic?

Swordsmyth
02-15-2018, 08:48 PM
Florida lawmakers postpone consideration of bill that would make buying firearms even easier
Commissioner of Agriculture Adam Putnam (R), who is running for governor of Florida, authored the provision and asked state Sen. Kelli Stargel (R) to tuck it into the end of a 98-page agriculture bill (https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2018/740/BillText/c1/HTML) that deals mostly with oyster harvesting, livestock, and liquefied gas. The controversial provision would require the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, the state agency that monitors gun purchases, to issue concealed carry firearm licenses to people within 90 days of their application, even if their background checks are incomplete.
While current law requires an individual to provide a complete background check and wait however long is necessary, the new bill would set a time limit and then allow the agency to revoke a person’s permit if disqualifying information turns up later.

More at: https://thinkprogress.org/florida-gun-bill-8e6768d4503c/

Zippyjuan
02-15-2018, 08:55 PM
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/02/15/586095437/trump-calls-for-mental-health-action-after-shooting-his-budget-would-cut-program


Trump Calls For Mental Health Action After Shooting; His Budget Would Cut Programs

President Trump expressed grief Thursday over the school shooting in Florida and sought to comfort victims and their families in his first public address since the mass killing at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School left 17 people dead and many others injured.

"To every parent, teacher and child who is hurting so badly, we are here for you whatever you need, whatever we can do to ease your pain," he said.

His speech from the White House went on for more than six minutes but apart from offering sympathy it lacked specific details on how the administration could mitigate the scourge of on-campus shootings.

Trump did, however, resurrect a theme frequently raised by Republicans when confronted with widespread calls for gun-control reform: Calls to "tackle the difficult issue of mental health."

Broward County Mayor Beam told NPR's Morning Edition that the suspect had been a client at mental health facilities, and had been expelled from the high school for disciplinary reasons.

Trump's statements echoed a tweet he posted earlier in the day.

"So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed, even expelled from school for bad and erratic behavior," he wrote, before going on to remark that, "Neighbors and classmates knew he was a big problem. Must always report such instances to authorities, again and again!" he wrote.

The president's 2019 budget proposal released Monday indicates there are a few areas where Trump would like to boost mental health resources.




But the budget blueprint also slashes spending for the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Administration by $665 million. Additionally, Bloomberg reported the National Institute of Mental Health would see a 30 percent reduction in funding — a half a billion dollar decrease — in 2019.

More at link.

Swordsmyth
02-15-2018, 08:59 PM
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/02/15/586095437/trump-calls-for-mental-health-action-after-shooting-his-budget-would-cut-program





More at link.

Maybe it isn't the feds' job.

acptulsa
02-15-2018, 09:01 PM
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/02/15/586095437/trump-calls-for-mental-health-action-after-shooting-his-budget-would-cut-program





More at link.

That'll help.

Seriously.

It's the federal programs that generally advocate Big Pharma 'push pills on 'em and push 'em out the door' so-called solutions. There's every reason to believe that pushing SSRIs on children is a major part of this problem. And, of course, there's no way in hell Washington can spot the real problems from 1000, 2000 or even 3000 or more miles away. That's just impossible.

Yeah, get Washington out of it. That will absolutely help.

PursuePeace
02-15-2018, 09:05 PM
To hell with the bastard.




"To hell with the bastard". Yeah, that's part of the problem.

Nobody wants to look at the REAL reasons why something like this might happen. No, they just want to call the guy "evil sub-human scum" (easy to do) and not try to look further into why this might have happened (much harder to do). There's not ONE reason this happened. There are a lot of reasons, probably just a domino effect of bad luck, (lots of rejection and major traumatic losses) too much anger for one very young person who was not mentally strong enough to cope or who already had mental issues (and probably pharma drugs messing his head all up) and didn't have much of a support system. Until we look at the whole picture, nothing will ever improve. You'll just have the same idiots looking the other way when mental health, our sick society, pharma drugs or gun-free zones are mentioned, and then turning around and screaming how it's all because of lack of gun-control!


Don't even get me started on the salivating news media.

kcchiefs6465
02-15-2018, 09:16 PM
"To hell with the bastard". Yeah, that's part of the problem.

Nobody wants to look at the REAL reasons why something like this might happen. No, they just want to call the guy "evil sub-human scum" (easy to do) and not try to look further into why this might have happened (much harder to do). There's not ONE reason this happened. There are a lot of reasons, probably just a domino effect of bad luck, (lots of rejection and major traumatic losses) too much anger for one very young person who was not mentally strong enough to cope or who already had mental issues (and probably pharma drugs messing his head all up) and didn't have much of a support system. Until we look at the whole picture, nothing will ever improve. You'll just have the same idiots looking the other way when mental health, our sick society, pharma drugs or gun-free zones are mentioned, and then turning around and screaming how it's all because of lack of gun-control!


Don't even get me started on the salivating news media.
Why did Albert Fish eat children? Nurture issues?

Evil exists in the world.

That is regardless of pharmacology problems and broken homes.

Zippyjuan
02-15-2018, 09:23 PM
This should cheer everybody up: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/presidential-proclamation-honoring-victims-tragedy-parkland-florida/


Presidential Proclamation Honoring the Victims of the Tragedy in Parkland, Florida

Our Nation grieves with those who have lost loved ones in the shooting at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida. As a mark of solemn respect for the victims of the terrible act of violence perpetrated on February 14, 2018, by the authority vested in me as President of the United States by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, I hereby order that the flag of the United States shall be flown at half-staff at the White House and upon all public buildings and grounds, at all military posts and naval stations, and on all naval vessels of the Federal Government in the District of Columbia and throughout the United States and its Territories and possessions until sunset, February 19, 2018. I also direct that the flag shall be flown at half-staff for the same length of time at all United States embassies, legations, consular offices, and other facilities abroad, including all military facilities and naval vessels and stations.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this fifteenth day of February, in the year of our Lord two thousand eighteen, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and forty-second.

DONALD J. TRUMP

Anti Federalist
02-15-2018, 09:27 PM
But would Ron Paul really advocate matching the violence of the rhetoric and not the logic?

I don't honestly know. I'm sure he has addressed the subject at some point.

I know he would assert that you have an absolute right to defend yourself, that I do know.

Zippyjuan
02-15-2018, 09:30 PM
What about the other schools shootings this year (they did not have as many casualties- some had zero): http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/school-shootings-year-article-1.3821162


Jan. 3, St. Johns, Mich.
The first school shooting took place just three days into the new year, at East Olive Elementary School in St. Johns, Mich.

A 31-year-old man died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound in the former school’s parking lot.

Jan. 4, Seattle, Wash.
A gunshot was fired at the New Start High School in Seattle, Wash. The round entered an office window and ended up lodged in a three-ring binder. No one was injured.

Jan, 10 Sierra Vista, Ariz.
A teen was found dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound in a Coronado Elementary School bathroom.

Jan. 10, San Bernardino, Calif.
At least one shot was fired, shattering a California State University classroom window. No injuries were reported.

Jan. 10, Denison, Texas
A bullet was accidentally fired through a classroom wall at the Grayson College Criminal Justice Center. No one was injured.

Jan. 15, Marshall, Texas
Gunshots rang out on the Wiley College Campus in Marshall. A bullet went through a residential hall’s dorm room. No injuries were reported.

Jan. 20, Winston-Salem, N.C.
A Winston-Salem State University football player was shot and killed at an event at Wake Forest University.

Jan. 22, Italy, Texas
A teenage girl was wounded at Italy High school after a 16-year-old suspect opened fire with a semi-automatic hangun.

Jan. 22, Gentilly, La.
A shooting outside The NET Charter High School injured a 14-year-old boy.

Jan. 23, Benton, Ky.
Two people were killed and another 15 were shot at Marshall County High School.

Jan. 25, Mobile, Ala.
Murphy High School student Jonah Neal fired a gun on campus. No one was injured.

Jan. 26, Dearborn, Mich.
Shots were fired from a car in Dearborn High School's parking lot. No injuries were reported.

Jan. 31, Pa.
Gunshots erupted as a fight broke out outside of Lincoln High School. A 32-year-old man was shot twice and later pronounced dead.

Feb. 1, Los Angeles, Calif.
An accidental shooting injured five children at the Salvador B. Castro Middle School in downtown Los Angeles.

Feb. 5, Oxon Hill, Md.
A teen was shot outside of Oxon Hill High School. The victim survived.

Feb. 5, Maplewood, Minn.
A third-grader pulled the trigger on a cop's gun, firing a shot at the Harmony Learning Center. No one was injured.

Feb. 8, New York, N.Y.
A teen was taken into custody after a shot was fired inside Metropolitan High School. No one was injured.

Feb. 14, Broward County, Fla.
A former student killed 17 people atStoneman Douglas High.

Anti Federalist
02-15-2018, 09:35 PM
What about the other schools shootings this year (they did not have as many casualties- some had zero): http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/school-shootings-year-article-1.3821162

What about them?

Looks like a lot of them happened outside, in parking lots or in circumstances unrelated to the school or students.

One was a cop's gun.

A quick glance at the locations seem to be many of the high crime urban areas that see a lot of crime in general.

PursuePeace
02-15-2018, 09:40 PM
Why did Albert Fish eat children? Nurture issues?

Evil exists in the world.

That is regardless of pharmacology problems and broken homes.


Maybe Nikolas Cruz could have been helped before the evil took over.
Maybe there's another kid out there like Nikolas who will be helped.
You never know what might make a difference. I don't think it's wrong to seek to understand.

Zippyjuan
02-15-2018, 09:41 PM
What about them?

Looks like a lot of them happened outside, in parking lots or in circumstances unrelated to the school or students.

One was a cop's gun.

A quick glance at the locations seem to be many of the high crime urban areas that see a lot of crime in general.

You are right- several are pretty weak.

Swordsmyth
02-15-2018, 09:46 PM
What about the other schools shootings this year (they did not have as many casualties- some had zero): http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/school-shootings-year-article-1.3821162

And your point is?

If you are shilling for gun control don't bother.

Mach
02-15-2018, 09:50 PM
Officials Haven't Found Evidence Linking Florida Shooting Suspect To White Supremacists (UPDATE)


https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-supremacist-group-says-florida-181802597.html


UPDATE: As of Thursday evening, law enforcement officials in Florida have reportedly not yet confirmed that a link exists between the Parkland school shooting suspect and the white supremacist paramilitary group Republic of Florida. ROF’s Jordan Jereb has not supplied evidence for his initial claim that the shooting suspect was associated with his group, and he later walked back his statements. Additional reporting by HuffPost has not found any credible links between the two. The claim was nevertheless widely reported, including in a headline on HuffPost’s front page.


The shit that group (ROF) talks is so ridiculous that they are probably just workers.

Anti Federalist
02-15-2018, 09:53 PM
Former family member confirms Cruz was on "medication" for emotional issues.


Roger Cruz died over a decade ago and Lynda struggled with the boys, said Barbara Kumbatovich, a former sister-in-law. “She did the best she could. They were adopted and had some emotional issues,” she said.

Kumbatovich said she believed Nikolas Cruz was on medication to deal with his emotional fragility. “She was struggling with Nikolas the last couple years,” she said.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200126034.html#storylink=cpy

Ender
02-15-2018, 10:15 PM
Maybe Nikolas Cruz could have been helped before the evil took over.
Maybe there's another kid out there like Nikolas who will be helped.
You never know what might make a difference. I don't think it's wrong to seek to understand.

Yep.

I've worked with a lot of troubled youth and most of them just need to be loved & accepted.

The answer to all this, IMHPOV, is:

Get the government out of so-called "education". The gov indoctrination system is destroying kids.

Quit drugging kids. Period.

Get rid of "gun-free" zones. These just invite the criminal mind. The only people w/o guns in these zones are law-abiding citizens.

And question everything. Many of these shootings are highly suspicious.

Mach
02-15-2018, 10:20 PM
Former family member confirms Cruz was on "medication" for emotional issues.



http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200126034.html#storylink=cpy

Allow me to retort, this has been a big issue for as long as there have been pharmaceuticals and most of us here know why.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?398839-It-s-not-guns-it-s-drugs&highlight=SSRI

lilymc
02-16-2018, 01:22 AM
I recently reactivated my Facebook, after being away from it for a few years… and of course everyone is talking about this shooting. Of course all the libs are pushing hard for more gun control, blaming it on the NRA, etc. etc.

How would you respond to this? (See the screenshot below) I know that you can't compare the US to countries like Australia or England, when they have a completely different mindset… But I want to respond to people who are saying stuff like this because if things keep going the way they've been going, this is where were heading. This is what they want… Gun bans, just like in Australia and England.

https://image.ibb.co/csKD5n/Screen_Shot_2018_02_15_at_11.png

Swordsmyth
02-16-2018, 01:35 AM
I recently reactivated my Facebook, after being away from it for a few years… and of course everyone is talking about this shooting. Of course all the libs are pushing hard for more gun control, blaming it on the NRA, etc. etc.

How would you respond to this? (See the screenshot below) I know that you can't compare the US to countries like Australia or England, when they have a completely different mindset… But I want to respond to people who are saying stuff like this because if things keep going the way they've been going, this is where were heading. This is what they want… Gun bans, just like in Australia and England.

https://image.ibb.co/csKD5n/Screen_Shot_2018_02_15_at_11.png

The drop in murders mirrored one that took place in the US at the time, all they did was change what kind of murders they have.
Even if gun control did work the number of gun deaths is tiny (including accidents) and not worth the loss of freedoms and it ignores the crimes prevented by guns.

Swordsmyth
02-16-2018, 01:39 AM
I recently reactivated my Facebook, after being away from it for a few years… and of course everyone is talking about this shooting. Of course all the libs are pushing hard for more gun control, blaming it on the NRA, etc. etc.

How would you respond to this? (See the screenshot below) I know that you can't compare the US to countries like Australia or England, when they have a completely different mindset… But I want to respond to people who are saying stuff like this because if things keep going the way they've been going, this is where were heading. This is what they want… Gun bans, just like in Australia and England.

https://image.ibb.co/csKD5n/Screen_Shot_2018_02_15_at_11.png

A good paper on the subject:

https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=6550650260691030100060671130151020 74071013032009049037108064085115068118100000042045 02403105511312607509502409011904708702304206412306 71011001190820980951250580840641100010161050871270 13019073018092009024116094020100113025114025027091 086076088&EXT=pdf

Swordsmyth
02-16-2018, 01:43 AM
I recently reactivated my Facebook, after being away from it for a few years… and of course everyone is talking about this shooting. Of course all the libs are pushing hard for more gun control, blaming it on the NRA, etc. etc.

How would you respond to this? (See the screenshot below) I know that you can't compare the US to countries like Australia or England, when they have a completely different mindset… But I want to respond to people who are saying stuff like this because if things keep going the way they've been going, this is where were heading. This is what they want… Gun bans, just like in Australia and England.

https://image.ibb.co/csKD5n/Screen_Shot_2018_02_15_at_11.png

I doubt liberals will listen but I would say it is pretty good evidence government is behind mass shootings and they have no more need of them once people give up their guns.

Swordsmyth
02-16-2018, 01:45 AM
I recently reactivated my Facebook, after being away from it for a few years… and of course everyone is talking about this shooting. Of course all the libs are pushing hard for more gun control, blaming it on the NRA, etc. etc.

How would you respond to this? (See the screenshot below) I know that you can't compare the US to countries like Australia or England, when they have a completely different mindset… But I want to respond to people who are saying stuff like this because if things keep going the way they've been going, this is where were heading. This is what they want… Gun bans, just like in Australia and England.

https://image.ibb.co/csKD5n/Screen_Shot_2018_02_15_at_11.png

https://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2012/08/some-notes-on-claims-about-australias.html

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8/13/2012 Some notes on claims about Australia's crime rates




After the attack at the Aurora movie theater, there have been a lot of discussion about Australia's gun control laws. For example, see this piece at the Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/08/gun-control-wisconsin-shooting_n_1756619.html).

A decade-long examination (http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/59264.php) of the program in the journal "Injury Prevention" concluded that "chances of gun death in Australia dropped twice as steeply" after the program was implemented. A study by (http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/files/bulletins_australia_spring_2011.pdf) Harvard University in the Spring of 2011 suggested that the program helped reduce, either causally or directly, firearm deaths, gun-related suicides and accidental shootings. The Washington Post, summarizing many of the studies, concluded that (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/02/did-gun-control-work-in-australia/) there was "strong circumstantial evidence for the law's effectiveness." . . .
Of course, the Huffington Post ignores that more sophisticated research finds no benefit from these laws. A paper by Lee and Suardi in Economic Inquiry in 2009 (http://johnrlott.tripod.com/Australia_Gun_Buyback_EI.pdf) does an excellent job of looking at the issue.




Here is the actual data from Australia. First note that gun ownership exhibits a very interesting pattern that isn't often acknowledged. There was a large gun buyback in 1996 and 1997 that reduced gun ownership from 3.2 to 2.2 million guns. But immediately after that gun ownership increased dramatically and is essentially back to where it was before the buyback (http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2013/01/australian-gun-ownership-back-up-to.html). Why is that important? Well, if it is the number of guns that is important, you should initially see a large drop in suicides (http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2013/01/australian-gun-ownership-back-up-to.html) or crimes and then see it increasing. Yet, in none of these data series do you observe that pattern.

For example, homicides didn't fall until eight years after the laws. It is not clear what theory they have for why the long delay would occur. Nor can I even find an acknowledgment of that long lag in the cited literature. A more natural explanation for the drop at the eight year point would be the substantial increases in police forces that occurred at that time.




https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Wch1iM2hiJ8/Uh_aTo_r8aI/AAAAAAAAG9k/KsgoGyZOVJQ/s400/Screen+Shot+2013-08-29+at++Thursday,+August+29,+7.32+PM+1.png (https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Wch1iM2hiJ8/Uh_aTo_r8aI/AAAAAAAAG9k/KsgoGyZOVJQ/s1600/Screen+Shot+2013-08-29+at++Thursday,+August+29,+7.32+PM+1.png)

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LqAlgdtLW3s/Uh_aWj123JI/AAAAAAAAG9s/eLE6U3Z30iE/s400/Screen+Shot+2013-08-29+at++Thursday,+August+29,+7.32+PM.png (https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LqAlgdtLW3s/Uh_aWj123JI/AAAAAAAAG9s/eLE6U3Z30iE/s1600/Screen+Shot+2013-08-29+at++Thursday,+August+29,+7.32+PM.png)







Crime can change for lots of reasons besides changes in gun control laws. One way to get a handle on this is to see how Australian homicides are changing relative to other crime rates. A single continuous crime data series isn't available, but the two diagrams below show how homicides is falling almost continuously as a fraction of violent crime. If anything, the drop in homicides relative to overall violent crime was biggest in the 1970s.




https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kq5kG5cEU-k/UCkdhHQGU0I/AAAAAAAADWs/CGrEKEHWBkU/s400/Screen+Shot+2012-08-13+at++Monday,+August+13,+11.29+AM.png (https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kq5kG5cEU-k/UCkdhHQGU0I/AAAAAAAADWs/CGrEKEHWBkU/s1600/Screen+Shot+2012-08-13+at++Monday,+August+13,+11.29+AM.png)




See also homicides relative to overall crime. Again, it is very hard to see any benefit from the gun control laws.




https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-48mg9ixrdlU/UCkfN_-IluI/AAAAAAAADW0/XNZZGpFEtRQ/s400/Screen+Shot+2012-08-13+at++Monday,+August+13,+11.37+AM.png (https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-48mg9ixrdlU/UCkfN_-IluI/AAAAAAAADW0/XNZZGpFEtRQ/s1600/Screen+Shot+2012-08-13+at++Monday,+August+13,+11.37+AM.png)




UPDATE: Comments on the Huffington Post Show today (http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/5024271502a760204e000009). Purely cross-sectional evidence in references to the UK, Germany, etc. doesn't mention that homicide rates were even lower relative to the US before they had gun control. The graph that they showed across countries (at about 12:55) makes it look like the US has a similar murder rate to other countries such as Russia, Mexico, and other South American countries. For further information see here (http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2013/01/so-what-can-us-learn-from-other.html) and here (http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2012/12/so-did-piers-morgan-and-christiane.html).




Finally, despite all the claims to the contrary, Australia didn't ban guns, though it did impose stricter criteria for people to own certain types of guns.




UPDATE 2: Ann Coulter has this interesting discussion of a New York Times piece by Rosenthal claiming "More Guns = More Killing":



Rosenthal also produces a demonstrably false statistic about Australia's gun laws, as if it's a fact that has been carefully vetted by the Newspaper of Record, throwing in the true source only at the tail-end of the paragraph (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ann-coulter/2013/01/10/ann-coulter-debunking-elisabeth-rosenthals-more-guns-more-killing-malar):
"After a gruesome mass murder in 1996 provoked public outrage, Australia enacted stricter gun laws, including a 28-day waiting period before purchase and a ban on semiautomatic weapons. ... Since, rates of both homicide and suicide have dropped 50 percent ...," said Ms. Peters, who lobbied for the legislation." . . .
Whether or not the homicide rate went up or down in Australia as a result of strict gun control laws imposed in 1997 is a fact that could have been checked by Times researchers. But they didn't, because facts wouldn't have given them the answer they wanted.
Needless to say, the effect of Australia's gun ban has been extensively researched by Australian academics. As numerous studies have shown: After the gun ban, gun homicides in Australia did not decline any more than they were expected to without a gun ban.Thus, for example, according to the Australian Institute of Criminology, the homicide rate has been in steady decline from 1969 to the present, with only one marked uptick in 1998-99 -- right after the gun ban was enacted.
The showstopper for anti-gun activists like Ms. Rosenthal and Ms. Peters is the fact that suicides by firearm seemed to decrease more than expected after the 1997 gun ban.
But so did suicides by other means. Something other than the gun ban must have caused people to stop guzzling poison and jumping off bridges. (Some speculate that it's the availability of anti-depressants like Prozac.)
Curiously -- and not mentioned by Rosenthal -- the number of accidental firearms deaths skyrocketed after Australia's 1997 gun ban, although the law included stringent gun training requirements.
It turns out, until the coroner has certified a death as a "suicide," it's classified as "unintentional." So either mandatory gun training has led to more accidents, or a lot of suicides are ending up in the "accident" column.
Most pinheadedly, especially for a graduate of the Harvard Medical School, Rosenthal says: "Before (the gun ban), Australia had averaged one mass shooting a year. (Since then,) there have been no mass killings."
Mass murder is a rare enough crime that any statistician will tell you discerning trends is impossible. In this country, the FBI doesn't even track mass murder as a specific crime category. . . .
Totally unbeknownst to Elisabeth Rosenthal, Australian academics have already examined the mass murder rate by firearm by comparing Australia to a control country: New Zealand. (http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2122854) (Do they teach "control groups" at Harvard?)
New Zealand is strikingly similar to Australia. Both are isolated island nations, demographically and socioeconomically similar. Their mass murder rate before Australia's gun ban was nearly identical: From 1980 to 1996, Australia's mass murder rate was 0.0042 incidents per 100,000 people and New Zealand's was 0.0050 incidents per 100,000 people.
The principal difference is that, post-1997, New Zealand remained armed to the teeth -- including with guns that were suddenly banned in Australia.
While it's true that Australia has had no more mass shootings since its gun ban, neither has New Zealand, despite continuing to be massively armed. . . .
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DUgtCMzdSCk/UO_udrd9z_I/AAAAAAAAFVc/38fbH1iK-r0/s320/Screen+Shot+2013-01-11+at++Friday,+January+11,+5.50+AM.png (https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DUgtCMzdSCk/UO_udrd9z_I/AAAAAAAAFVc/38fbH1iK-r0/s1600/Screen+Shot+2013-01-11+at++Friday,+January+11,+5.50+AM.png)


The paper by McPhedran and Baker that Ann might be citing has some interesting facts. I frequently hear about the mass public shootings in Australia prior to the 1996 law, but it turns out that there were only 4 of them between 1980 and 1996. 8 other attacks were "domestic" attacks. If you look at total multiple victim-suicide attacks in Australia (http://www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/cfi-pdf/cfi176.pdf), the attacks are hardly eliminated after 1996.



https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Phmf_oBXKrs/UO_rXKK2ClI/AAAAAAAAFUI/arcx5zAESTM/s400/Screen+Shot+2013-01-11+at++Friday,+January+11,+5.36+AM.png (https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Phmf_oBXKrs/UO_rXKK2ClI/AAAAAAAAFUI/arcx5zAESTM/s1600/Screen+Shot+2013-01-11+at++Friday,+January+11,+5.36+AM.png)




Other:




A discussion of Europe is available here (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/229929/gun-control-and-mass-murders/john-r-lott-jr).

Mayor Bloomberg's proposals are discussed in the Wall Street Journal here (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444405804577560901492837174.html).

So-called assault weapon bans are discussed here (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/312452/military-style-weapons-john-r-lott-jr).

The importance of gun free zones is discussed here (http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/concealed-weapons-save-lives-article-1.1121161).
Other gun control laws that could impact these public mass shootings is discussed here (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/07/30/new-gun-laws-will-do-nothing-to-stop-mass-shooting-attacks/).
See also ALER piece here (http://andrewleigh.org/pdf/GunBuyback_Panel.pdf).

Swordsmyth
02-16-2018, 01:46 AM
I recently reactivated my Facebook, after being away from it for a few years… and of course everyone is talking about this shooting. Of course all the libs are pushing hard for more gun control, blaming it on the NRA, etc. etc.

How would you respond to this? (See the screenshot below) I know that you can't compare the US to countries like Australia or England, when they have a completely different mindset… But I want to respond to people who are saying stuff like this because if things keep going the way they've been going, this is where were heading. This is what they want… Gun bans, just like in Australia and England.

https://image.ibb.co/csKD5n/Screen_Shot_2018_02_15_at_11.png


https://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif Stephen Barrett (https://www.blogger.com/profile/14249396744781230714) said... I notice a massacre at Monash Uni in 2002. 2 were killed and 5 wounded by a man with a firearm. New Zealand has had no massacres in the same period and no bans on guns so they have semi automatic firearms. It does not appear that the Pt Arthur laws did anything good.
1/02/2013 4:36 AM (https://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2012/08/some-notes-on-claims-about-australias.html#5007458313563219982)

Swordsmyth
02-16-2018, 01:48 AM
https://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif james von Brunn (https://www.blogger.com/profile/12248319840130652474) said... the claims that there have been no mass shootings in Australia since Howard's gun laws were enacted in the late 1990s is totally erroneous;

if you define a mass shooting as involving four or more fatalities, then, there have been several such....most noticeably during the gang-related killings in Melbourne, 2000-2005;

there has been an exponential increase in violent crime of all sorts since the NFA....most noticeably of armed, violent home invasions....a simple Google search will quickly establish, from raw police data, that there has been almost 2000 armed violent home invasions in an eighteen month period.... http://tinyurl.com/0zz-hm-invsns-ggl-rslts ; this is an ongoing trend;

further-more, there have been continuing claims in the media that police in various Australian states have been 'covering up' violent crime stats; a couple of years ago, an Assitant Commissioner of Police in Victoria resigned over just such a claim.....viz: Sir Ken Jones;

overall, Howard's gun laws have been an unmitigated disaster with many Aussies now under siege in their own homes and terrorised both in public and in private by heavily armed, psychopathic thugs.....as per the predictions of Prfssr Lott and others over the years.

*note*
even with the heavy restrictions and conditions for obtaining a shooters license in Australia, self-defence is still not a legitimate reason to apply for a fire-arms license!
10/27/2013 6:00 AM (https://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2012/08/some-notes-on-claims-about-australias.html#29782703308161004)

RonZeplin
02-16-2018, 01:53 AM
I recently reactivated my Facebook, after being away from it for a few years… and of course everyone is talking about this shooting. Of course all the libs are pushing hard for more gun control, blaming it on the NRA, etc. etc.

How would you respond to this? (See the screenshot below)

What are their stabbing death statistics? Bombs? Run over with trucks? Go for death tolls in general, not just guns. Crazy psychos will find a way to kill in the absence of any one particular tool.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psHZ10zjnR0

lilymc
02-16-2018, 01:54 AM
I doubt liberals will listen but I would say it is pretty good evidence government is behind mass shootings and they have no more need of them once people give up their guns.

That's exactly what I want to say, but these are people who still believe everything they're told by the MSM, so if I say that, they'll think I'm a lunatic.

I'll take a look at that article you linked to. Thank you! I really feel that we shouldn't be preaching to the choir here, we need to be out there talking to these people… Because we're getting to the point where if things don't change, we're going to lose our most cherished rights. And in my opinion, that is what the end goal is, it is what people have been deceived into doing… willingly give up their rights, for "safety."

Swordsmyth
02-16-2018, 01:58 AM
That's exactly what I want to say, but these are people who still believe everything they're told by the MSM, so if I say that, they'll think I'm a lunatic.

I'll take a look at that article you linked to. Thank you! I really feel that we shouldn't be preaching to the choir here, we need to be out there talking to these people… Because we're getting to the point where if things don't change, we're going to lose our most cherished rights. And in my opinion, that is what the end goal is, it is what people have been deceived into doing… willingly give up their rights, for "safety."

My later posts are from an article that directly deals with Australia as opposed to the first link that is about mass shootings in general.

lilymc
02-16-2018, 02:08 AM
https://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif james von Brunn (https://www.blogger.com/profile/12248319840130652474) said... the claims that there have been no mass shootings in Australia since Howard's gun laws were enacted in the late 1990s is totally erroneous;

if you define a mass shooting as involving four or more fatalities, then, there have been several such....most noticeably during the gang-related killings in Melbourne, 2000-2005;

there has been an exponential increase in violent crime of all sorts since the NFA....most noticeably of armed, violent home invasions....a simple Google search will quickly establish, from raw police data, that there has been almost 2000 armed violent home invasions in an eighteen month period.... http://tinyurl.com/0zz-hm-invsns-ggl-rslts ; this is an ongoing trend;

further-more, there have been continuing claims in the media that police in various Australian states have been 'covering up' violent crime stats; a couple of years ago, an Assitant Commissioner of Police in Victoria resigned over just such a claim.....viz: Sir Ken Jones;

overall, Howard's gun laws have been an unmitigated disaster with many Aussies now under siege in their own homes and terrorised both in public and in private by heavily armed, psychopathic thugs.....as per the predictions of Prfssr Lott and others over the years.

*note*
even with the heavy restrictions and conditions for obtaining a shooters license in Australia, self-defence is still not a legitimate reason to apply for a fire-arms license!
10/27/2013 6:00 AM (https://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2012/08/some-notes-on-claims-about-australias.html#29782703308161004)

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Swordsmyth again.

Thank you!

anaconda
02-16-2018, 02:27 AM
So when will the progs admit the utter failure of gun-free zones?

timosman
02-16-2018, 02:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjbmX38bx8c

RonZeplin
02-16-2018, 03:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjbmX38bx8c

I predict that she'll be on Alex Jones tomorrow, after the latest Trump propaganda release.

Danke
02-16-2018, 03:18 AM
Media ignoring 1 crucial factor in Florida school shooting (http://www.wnd.com/2018/02/media-ignoring-1-crucial-factor-in-florida-school-shooting/)

(http://www.wnd.com/2018/02/media-ignoring-1-crucial-factor-in-florida-school-shooting/)
Here we go again. A horrific mass shooting occurs. Everyone is in shock and grief. Democrats blame guns and Republicans. Pundits urge the public, “If you see something, say something.” And everyone asks, “Why?”


As information about the perpetrator emerges, a relative confides to a newspaper that the “troubled youth” who committed the mass murder was on psychiatric medications – you know, those powerful, little understood, mind-altering drugs with fearsome side effects including “suicidal ideation” and even “homicidal ideation.”


Yet the predictable response from the press is always the same – not only a total lack of curiosity, but disdain for any who ask the question, as though connecting psychiatric meds to mass shootings is pursuing a “conspiracy theory.”


http://www.wnd.com/files/2018/02/Nikolas-Cruz.jpg
Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz


Here’s a good way to tell whether or not something is a conspiracy theory: If it’s true, it’s not a conspiracy theory.


In the case of Nikolas Cruz, the 19-year-old Florida mass-shooter, (http://www.wnd.com/2018/02/gunman-shoots-at-least-50-at-florida-school/) his mother’s sister, Barbara Kumbatovich, told the Miami Herald that she believed Cruz was on medication to deal with his emotional fragility. (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200126034.html)




http://www.wnd.com/files/2014/01/adam_lanza_16-300x142.jpg
Newtown, Connecticut, school shooter Adam Lanza


This is strikingly similar to reports right after the 2013 school massacre in Newtown, Connecticut, when Mark and Louise Tambascio, family friends of shooter Adam Lanza and his mother, were interviewed on CBS’ “60 Minutes,” (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/12/16/friends-newtown-gunmans-mother-home-schooled-son-kept-arsenal-of-guns/) during which Louise Tambascio told correspondent Scott Pelley (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9ZwZzIgZmQ): “I know he was on medication and everything, but she homeschooled him at home cause he couldn’t deal with the school classes sometimes, so she just homeschooled Adam at home. And that was her life.” And here, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JTHiozTdwY) Tambascio tells ABC News, “I knew he was on medication, but that’s all I know.”




But there was little journalistic curiosity or follow-up, and one wonders whether that will be the case this time around.


But, you may well be asking, why is the issue of psychiatric medications even important?


Fact: A disturbing number of perpetrators of school shootings and similar mass murders in our modern era were either on – or just recently coming off of – psychiatric medications. A few of the most high-profile examples, out of many others, (http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/psych-meds-linked-to-90-of-school-shootings/) include:




Columbine mass-killer Eric Harris was taking Luvox – like Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor and many others, a modern and widely prescribed type of antidepressant drug called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRIs. Harris and fellow student Dylan Klebold went on a hellish school shooting rampage in 1999 during which they killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 24 others before turning their guns on themselves. Luvox manufacturer Solvay Pharmaceuticals concedes that during short-term controlled clinical trials, 4 percent of children and youth taking Luvox – that’s one in 25 – developed mania, a dangerous and violence-prone mental derangement characterized by extreme excitement and delusion.
Patrick Purdy went on a schoolyard shooting rampage in Stockton, California, in 1989, which became the catalyst for the original legislative frenzy to ban “semiautomatic assault weapons” in California and the nation. The 25-year-old Purdy, who murdered five children and wounded 30, had been on Amitriptyline, an antidepressant, as well as the antipsychotic drug Thorazine.
Kip Kinkel, 15, murdered his parents in 1998 and the next day went to his school, Thurston High in Springfield, Oregon, and opened fire on his classmates, killing two and wounding 22 others. He had been prescribed both Prozac and Ritalin.
In 1988, 31-year-old Laurie Dann went on a shooting rampage in a second-grade classroom in Winnetka, Illinois, killing one child and wounding six. She had been taking the antidepressant Anafranil as well as Lithium, long used to treat mania.
In Paducah, Kentucky, in late 1997, 14-year-old Michael Carneal, son of a prominent attorney, traveled to Heath High School and started shooting students in a prayer meeting taking place in the school’s lobby, killing three and leaving another paralyzed. Carneal reportedly was on Ritalin.
In 2005, 16-year-old Jeff Weise, living on Minnesota’s Red Lake Indian Reservation, shot and killed nine people and wounded five others before killing himself. Weise had been taking Prozac.
In another famous case, 47-year-old Joseph T. Wesbecker, just a month after he began taking Prozac in 1989, shot 20 workers at Standard Gravure Corp. in Louisville, Kentucky, killing nine. Prozac-maker Eli Lilly later settled a lawsuit brought by survivors.
Kurt Danysh, 18, shot his own father to death in 1996, a little more than two weeks after starting on Prozac. Danysh’s description of own his mental-emotional state at the time of the murder is chilling: “I didn’t realize I did it until after it was done,” Danysh said. “This might sound weird, but it felt like I had no control of what I was doing, like I was left there just holding a gun.”
John Hinckley, age 25, took four Valium two hours before shooting and almost killing President Ronald Reagan in 1981. In the assassination attempt, Hinckley also wounded press secretary James Brady, Secret Service agent Timothy McCarthy and policeman Thomas Delahanty.
Andrea Yates, in one of the most heartrending crimes in modern history, drowned all five of her children – aged 7 years down to 6 months – in a bathtub. Insisting inner voices commanded her to kill her children, she had become increasingly psychotic over the course of several years. At her 2006 murder re-trial (after a 2002 guilty verdict was overturned on appeal), Yates’ longtime friend Debbie Holmes testified: “She asked me if I thought Satan could read her mind and if I believed in demon possession.” And Dr. George Ringholz, after evaluating Yates for two days, recounted an experience she had after the birth of her first child: “What she described was feeling a presence … Satan … telling her to take a knife and stab her son Noah,” Ringholz said, adding that Yates’ delusion at the time of the bathtub murders was not only that she had to kill her children to save them, but that Satan had entered her and that she had to be executed in order to kill Satan.Yates had been taking the antidepressant Effexor. In November 2005, more than four years after Yates drowned her children, Effexor manufacturer Wyeth Pharmaceuticals quietly added “homicidal ideation” to the drug’s list of “rare adverse events.” The Medical Accountability Network, a private nonprofit focused on medical ethics issues, publicly criticized Wyeth, saying Effexor’s “homicidal ideation” risk wasn’t well publicized and that Wyeth failed to send letters to doctors or issue warning labels announcing the change.And what exactly does “rare” mean in the phrase “rare adverse events”? The FDA defines it as occurring in less than one in 1,000 people. But since that same year 19.2 million prescriptions for Effexor were filled in the U.S., statistically that means thousands of Americans might experience “homicidal ideation” – murderous thoughts – as a result of taking just this one brand of antidepressant drug. Effexor is Wyeth’s best-selling drug, by the way, which in one recent year brought in over $3 billion in sales, accounting for almost a fifth of the company’s annual revenues.
One more case is instructive, that of 12-year-old Christopher Pittman, who struggled in court to explain why he murdered his grandparents, who had provided the only love and stability he’d ever known in his turbulent life. “When I was lying in my bed that night,” he testified, “I couldn’t sleep because my voice in my head kept echoing through my mind telling me to kill them.” Christopher had been angry with his grandfather, who had disciplined him earlier that day for hurting another student during a fight on the school bus. So later that night, he shot both of his grandparents in the head with a .410 shotgun as they slept and then burned down their South Carolina home, where he had lived with them. “I got up, got the gun, and I went upstairs and I pulled the trigger,” he recalled. “Through the whole thing, it was like watching your favorite TV show. You know what is going to happen, but you can’t do anything to stop it.” Pittman’s lawyers would later argue that the boy had been a victim of “involuntary intoxication,” since his doctors had him taking the antidepressants Paxil and Zoloft just prior to the murders.



http://www.wnd.com/files/2018/02/Paxil-TW.jpgPaxil’s known “adverse drug reactions” – according to the drug’s FDA-approved label – include “mania,” “insomnia,” “anxiety,” “agitation,” “confusion,” “amnesia,” “depression,” “paranoid reaction,” “psychosis,” “hostility,” “delirium,” “hallucinations,” “abnormal thinking,” “depersonalization” and “lack of emotion,” among others. The preceding examples are only a few of the best-known offenders who had been taking prescribed psychiatric drugs before committing their violent crimes – there are many others. (http://ssristories.com/index.php?sort=date&p=)
Whether we like to admit it or not, it is undeniable that when certain people living on the edge of sanity take psychiatric medications, those drugs can – and occasionally do – push them over the edge into violent madness. Remember, every single SSRI antidepressant sold in the United States of America today, no matter what brand or manufacturer, bears a “black box” FDA warning label (http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/InformationbyDrugClass/UCM096273) – the government’s most serious drug warning – of “increased risks of suicidal thinking and behavior, known as suicidality, in young adults ages 18 to 24.” Common sense tells us that where there are suicidal thoughts – especially in a very, very angry person – homicidal thoughts may not be far behind. Indeed, the mass shooters we are describing often take their own lives when the police show up, having planned their suicide ahead of time.


Never lost a lawsuit


Pharmaceutical manufacturers are understandably nervous about publicity connecting their highly lucrative drugs to murderous violence, which may be why we rarely if ever hear any confirmation to those first-day reports from grief-stricken relatives who confide to journalists that the perpetrator was taking psychiatric drugs. After all, who are by far the biggest sponsors of TV news? Pharmaceutical companies, and they don’t want any free publicity of this sort.


The truth is, to avoid costly settlements and public relations catastrophes – such as when GlaxoSmithKline was ordered to pay millions of dollars to the family of 60-year-old Donald Schell (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=117410&page=1) who murdered his wife, daughter and granddaughter in a fit of rage shortly after starting on Paxil – drug companies’ legal teams have quietly and skillfully settled hundreds of cases out-of-court, shelling out hundreds of millions of dollars to plaintiffs. Pharmaceutical giant Eli Lilly fought scores of legal claims against Prozac in this way, settling for cash before the complaint could go to court while stipulating that the settlement remain secret – and then claiming it had never lost a Prozac lawsuit.


Which brings us back to the key question: When are we going to get official confirmation as to whether Nikolas Cruz, like so many other mass shooters, had been taking psychiatric drugs?




Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2018/02/media-ignoring-1-crucial-factor-in-florida-school-shooting/#vRSygzP3OeloZWbD.99

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unconsious767
02-16-2018, 07:20 AM
Watch the big network evening news, and you'll see the pharma ads are their bread and butter. Such a topic is the very last thing you'd see on their broadcasts, since they won't bite the hand that feeds them.

Only on the cut-rate networks will you see ads for lawyers suing those same drug pushers.

donnay
02-16-2018, 08:17 AM
Why did the FBI drop the ball on this? Because they spent most of their man-hours trying to smear Trump?

FBI Was Notified Last Year of Threatening YouTube Comment by 'Nikolas Cruz'
http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/02/15/florida-school-shooting-fbi-notified-threatening-youtube-comment-nikolas-cruz


See Something, Say Something...

AZJoe
02-16-2018, 08:46 AM
https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27867913_2066497566695572_1882334458569630337_n.jp g?oh=14d485126c68c4f95433e280d53934ed&oe=5B1528BE

juleswin
02-16-2018, 09:07 AM
I think that the liberty movement would benefit from never letting a crisis go to waste. Of course many of us have come to loath the media and that mindset of politicians to use a tragedy to exploit people during their emotionally trying times, but it’s got to work both ways.

Instead of sitting back and watching others control the narrative that more gun control is needed, we could all be out there pushing the friendly voices such as Ben swann to explore the reasons why gun control methods have failed. We could be tweeting and facebooking support for armed teachers. We should know that the liberals want to use the tragedy to push their agendas, but they are on the wrong side of history.

I believe growing numbers of people are seeing gun control as failed policy. These people need to raise their voices, especially during times like these- there are people who are trying to cope with their thought processes which are all screwed up from the emotions of imagining these young kids last moments. I think we all want nothing more than to protect the kids from nutbags, and need to try to appeal to the logical side- which says gun control doesn’t work. The crazies will find a way and it’s time to re-examine if schools should be considering letting willing teachers arm themselves. They are the front lines in schools today.

I don't think we have the number or the platform to control the narrative. Sobbing children and their families are all over TV and the internet crying and asking for action. They want something different this time and what they are asking for is gun control. they want to make it harder and harder to access those scary rifles and that is who the media and population is listening to.

I am against gun control but you cannot listen to those voices without getting touched. Every single one of this shooting incidents is a body blow to the side against control and the shots just keep coming.

My fear is that we have a man in the white house who one doesn't have any guiding principles, two not very intelligent and three is easily persuaded by emotional arguments. I am afraid that he would fold like a cheap lawn chair when the Ivanka comes crying to daddy. That's all I am saying

PursuePeace
02-16-2018, 09:44 AM
I don't think we have the number or the platform to control the narrative. Sobbing children and their families are all over TV and the internet crying and asking for action. They want something different this time and what they are asking for is gun control. they want to make it harder and harder to access those scary rifles and that is who the media and population is listening to.

I am against gun control but you cannot listen to those voices without getting touched. Every single one of this shooting incidents is a body blow to the side against control and the shots just keep coming.

My fear is that we have a man in the white house who one doesn't have any guiding principles, two not very intelligent and three is easily persuaded by emotional arguments. I am afraid that he would fold like a cheap lawn chair when the Ivanka comes crying to daddy. That's all I am saying


I was thinking the same thing...

Brian4Liberty
02-16-2018, 10:38 AM
Sheriff Israel says there is a "right" to be protected. The courts would probably agree with him, as "right" is now defined as "something that seems like a good idea at the moment".

"It's for the children!!!"

Anti Federalist
02-16-2018, 11:05 AM
I don't think we have the number or the platform to control the narrative. Sobbing children and their families are all over TV and the internet crying and asking for action. They want something different this time and what they are asking for is gun control. they want to make it harder and harder to access those scary rifles and that is who the media and population is listening to.

I am against gun control but you cannot listen to those voices without getting touched. Every single one of this shooting incidents is a body blow to the side against control and the shots just keep coming.

My fear is that we have a man in the white house who one doesn't have any guiding principles, two not very intelligent and three is easily persuaded by emotional arguments. I am afraid that he would fold like a cheap lawn chair when the Ivanka comes crying to daddy. That's all I am saying

Yeah, you're probably right about this.

Anti Federalist
02-16-2018, 11:11 AM
That's exactly what I want to say, but these are people who still believe everything they're told by the MSM, so if I say that, they'll think I'm a lunatic.

I'll take a look at that article you linked to. Thank you! I really feel that we shouldn't be preaching to the choir here, we need to be out there talking to these people… Because we're getting to the point where if things don't change, we're going to lose our most cherished rights. And in my opinion, that is what the end goal is, it is what people have been deceived into doing… willingly give up their rights, for "safety."

That's already happened.

The Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Eighth, Ninth and Tenth Amendments are dead letters in 2018 AmeriKa.

The First and Second are on their last legs.

acptulsa
02-16-2018, 11:24 AM
Sheriff Israel says there is a "right" to be protected. The courts would probably agree with him, as "right" is now defined as "something that seems like a good idea at the moment".

"It's for the children!!!"

The sheriff says we have that right, but the courts say the police have no obligation to protect us. And Israel seems to agree, judging by the fact that his response to this incident was to spend twenty minutes marshaling and organizing his forces, while the perp was left with free reign to do everything he wanted to do and leave the scene.

We have the right to protection. But what we get are officials who delay coming onto the scene until they can assure themselves a considerable margin of safety, and people prevented from and/or prosecuted for ensuring their safety themselves.

How differently would this have come out if, as with the Texas church, there were people around who were allowed to look out for their own safety?

Brian4Liberty
02-16-2018, 11:28 AM
Media ignoring 1 crucial factor in Florida school shooting (http://www.wnd.com/2018/02/media-ignoring-1-crucial-factor-in-florida-school-shooting/)

(http://www.wnd.com/2018/02/media-ignoring-1-crucial-factor-in-florida-school-shooting/)
Here we go again. A horrific mass shooting occurs. Everyone is in shock and grief. Democrats blame guns and Republicans. Pundits urge the public, “If you see something, say something.” And everyone asks, “Why?”


As information about the perpetrator emerges, a relative confides to a newspaper that the “troubled youth” who committed the mass murder was on psychiatric medications – you know, those powerful, little understood, mind-altering drugs with fearsome side effects including “suicidal ideation” and even “homicidal ideation.”


Yet the predictable response from the press is always the same – not only a total lack of curiosity, but disdain for any who ask the question, as though connecting psychiatric meds to mass shootings is pursuing a “conspiracy theory.”


http://www.wnd.com/files/2018/02/Nikolas-Cruz.jpg
Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz


Here’s a good way to tell whether or not something is a conspiracy theory: If it’s true, it’s not a conspiracy theory.


In the case of Nikolas Cruz, the 19-year-old Florida mass-shooter, (http://www.wnd.com/2018/02/gunman-shoots-at-least-50-at-florida-school/) his mother’s sister, Barbara Kumbatovich, told the Miami Herald that she believed Cruz was on medication to deal with his emotional fragility. (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200126034.html)




http://www.wnd.com/files/2014/01/adam_lanza_16-300x142.jpg
Newtown, Connecticut, school shooter Adam Lanza


This is strikingly similar to reports right after the 2013 school massacre in Newtown, Connecticut, when Mark and Louise Tambascio, family friends of shooter Adam Lanza and his mother, were interviewed on CBS’ “60 Minutes,” (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/12/16/friends-newtown-gunmans-mother-home-schooled-son-kept-arsenal-of-guns/) during which Louise Tambascio told correspondent Scott Pelley (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9ZwZzIgZmQ): “I know he was on medication and everything, but she homeschooled him at home cause he couldn’t deal with the school classes sometimes, so she just homeschooled Adam at home. And that was her life.” And here, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JTHiozTdwY) Tambascio tells ABC News, “I knew he was on medication, but that’s all I know.”




But there was little journalistic curiosity or follow-up, and one wonders whether that will be the case this time around.


But, you may well be asking, why is the issue of psychiatric medications even important?


Fact: A disturbing number of perpetrators of school shootings and similar mass murders in our modern era were either on – or just recently coming off of – psychiatric medications. A few of the most high-profile examples, out of many others, (http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/psych-meds-linked-to-90-of-school-shootings/) include:




Columbine mass-killer Eric Harris was taking Luvox – like Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor and many others, a modern and widely prescribed type of antidepressant drug called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRIs. Harris and fellow student Dylan Klebold went on a hellish school shooting rampage in 1999 during which they killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 24 others before turning their guns on themselves. Luvox manufacturer Solvay Pharmaceuticals concedes that during short-term controlled clinical trials, 4 percent of children and youth taking Luvox – that’s one in 25 – developed mania, a dangerous and violence-prone mental derangement characterized by extreme excitement and delusion.
Patrick Purdy went on a schoolyard shooting rampage in Stockton, California, in 1989, which became the catalyst for the original legislative frenzy to ban “semiautomatic assault weapons” in California and the nation. The 25-year-old Purdy, who murdered five children and wounded 30, had been on Amitriptyline, an antidepressant, as well as the antipsychotic drug Thorazine.
Kip Kinkel, 15, murdered his parents in 1998 and the next day went to his school, Thurston High in Springfield, Oregon, and opened fire on his classmates, killing two and wounding 22 others. He had been prescribed both Prozac and Ritalin.
In 1988, 31-year-old Laurie Dann went on a shooting rampage in a second-grade classroom in Winnetka, Illinois, killing one child and wounding six. She had been taking the antidepressant Anafranil as well as Lithium, long used to treat mania.
In Paducah, Kentucky, in late 1997, 14-year-old Michael Carneal, son of a prominent attorney, traveled to Heath High School and started shooting students in a prayer meeting taking place in the school’s lobby, killing three and leaving another paralyzed. Carneal reportedly was on Ritalin.
In 2005, 16-year-old Jeff Weise, living on Minnesota’s Red Lake Indian Reservation, shot and killed nine people and wounded five others before killing himself. Weise had been taking Prozac.
In another famous case, 47-year-old Joseph T. Wesbecker, just a month after he began taking Prozac in 1989, shot 20 workers at Standard Gravure Corp. in Louisville, Kentucky, killing nine. Prozac-maker Eli Lilly later settled a lawsuit brought by survivors.
Kurt Danysh, 18, shot his own father to death in 1996, a little more than two weeks after starting on Prozac. Danysh’s description of own his mental-emotional state at the time of the murder is chilling: “I didn’t realize I did it until after it was done,” Danysh said. “This might sound weird, but it felt like I had no control of what I was doing, like I was left there just holding a gun.”
John Hinckley, age 25, took four Valium two hours before shooting and almost killing President Ronald Reagan in 1981. In the assassination attempt, Hinckley also wounded press secretary James Brady, Secret Service agent Timothy McCarthy and policeman Thomas Delahanty.
Andrea Yates, in one of the most heartrending crimes in modern history, drowned all five of her children – aged 7 years down to 6 months – in a bathtub. Insisting inner voices commanded her to kill her children, she had become increasingly psychotic over the course of several years. At her 2006 murder re-trial (after a 2002 guilty verdict was overturned on appeal), Yates’ longtime friend Debbie Holmes testified: “She asked me if I thought Satan could read her mind and if I believed in demon possession.” And Dr. George Ringholz, after evaluating Yates for two days, recounted an experience she had after the birth of her first child: “What she described was feeling a presence … Satan … telling her to take a knife and stab her son Noah,” Ringholz said, adding that Yates’ delusion at the time of the bathtub murders was not only that she had to kill her children to save them, but that Satan had entered her and that she had to be executed in order to kill Satan.Yates had been taking the antidepressant Effexor. In November 2005, more than four years after Yates drowned her children, Effexor manufacturer Wyeth Pharmaceuticals quietly added “homicidal ideation” to the drug’s list of “rare adverse events.” The Medical Accountability Network, a private nonprofit focused on medical ethics issues, publicly criticized Wyeth, saying Effexor’s “homicidal ideation” risk wasn’t well publicized and that Wyeth failed to send letters to doctors or issue warning labels announcing the change.And what exactly does “rare” mean in the phrase “rare adverse events”? The FDA defines it as occurring in less than one in 1,000 people. But since that same year 19.2 million prescriptions for Effexor were filled in the U.S., statistically that means thousands of Americans might experience “homicidal ideation” – murderous thoughts – as a result of taking just this one brand of antidepressant drug. Effexor is Wyeth’s best-selling drug, by the way, which in one recent year brought in over $3 billion in sales, accounting for almost a fifth of the company’s annual revenues.
One more case is instructive, that of 12-year-old Christopher Pittman, who struggled in court to explain why he murdered his grandparents, who had provided the only love and stability he’d ever known in his turbulent life. “When I was lying in my bed that night,” he testified, “I couldn’t sleep because my voice in my head kept echoing through my mind telling me to kill them.” Christopher had been angry with his grandfather, who had disciplined him earlier that day for hurting another student during a fight on the school bus. So later that night, he shot both of his grandparents in the head with a .410 shotgun as they slept and then burned down their South Carolina home, where he had lived with them. “I got up, got the gun, and I went upstairs and I pulled the trigger,” he recalled. “Through the whole thing, it was like watching your favorite TV show. You know what is going to happen, but you can’t do anything to stop it.” Pittman’s lawyers would later argue that the boy had been a victim of “involuntary intoxication,” since his doctors had him taking the antidepressants Paxil and Zoloft just prior to the murders.



http://www.wnd.com/files/2018/02/Paxil-TW.jpgPaxil’s known “adverse drug reactions” – according to the drug’s FDA-approved label – include “mania,” “insomnia,” “anxiety,” “agitation,” “confusion,” “amnesia,” “depression,” “paranoid reaction,” “psychosis,” “hostility,” “delirium,” “hallucinations,” “abnormal thinking,” “depersonalization” and “lack of emotion,” among others. The preceding examples are only a few of the best-known offenders who had been taking prescribed psychiatric drugs before committing their violent crimes – there are many others. (http://ssristories.com/index.php?sort=date&p=)
Whether we like to admit it or not, it is undeniable that when certain people living on the edge of sanity take psychiatric medications, those drugs can – and occasionally do – push them over the edge into violent madness. Remember, every single SSRI antidepressant sold in the United States of America today, no matter what brand or manufacturer, bears a “black box” FDA warning label (http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/InformationbyDrugClass/UCM096273) – the government’s most serious drug warning – of “increased risks of suicidal thinking and behavior, known as suicidality, in young adults ages 18 to 24.” Common sense tells us that where there are suicidal thoughts – especially in a very, very angry person – homicidal thoughts may not be far behind. Indeed, the mass shooters we are describing often take their own lives when the police show up, having planned their suicide ahead of time.


Never lost a lawsuit


Pharmaceutical manufacturers are understandably nervous about publicity connecting their highly lucrative drugs to murderous violence, which may be why we rarely if ever hear any confirmation to those first-day reports from grief-stricken relatives who confide to journalists that the perpetrator was taking psychiatric drugs. After all, who are by far the biggest sponsors of TV news? Pharmaceutical companies, and they don’t want any free publicity of this sort.


The truth is, to avoid costly settlements and public relations catastrophes – such as when GlaxoSmithKline was ordered to pay millions of dollars to the family of 60-year-old Donald Schell (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=117410&page=1) who murdered his wife, daughter and granddaughter in a fit of rage shortly after starting on Paxil – drug companies’ legal teams have quietly and skillfully settled hundreds of cases out-of-court, shelling out hundreds of millions of dollars to plaintiffs. Pharmaceutical giant Eli Lilly fought scores of legal claims against Prozac in this way, settling for cash before the complaint could go to court while stipulating that the settlement remain secret – and then claiming it had never lost a Prozac lawsuit.


Which brings us back to the key question: When are we going to get official confirmation as to whether Nikolas Cruz, like so many other mass shooters, had been taking psychiatric drugs?




Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2018/02/media-ignoring-1-crucial-factor-in-florida-school-shooting/#vRSygzP3OeloZWbD.99

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Oddly enough, the TV is not showing grieving, crying and ranting parents talking about how all of these shooters were taking psych meds.

Brian4Liberty
02-16-2018, 11:33 AM
The sheriff says we have that right, but the courts say the police have no obligation to protect us. And Israel seems to agree, judging by the fact that his response to this incident was to spend twenty minutes marshaling and organizing his forces, while the perp was left with free reign to do everything he wanted to do and leave the scene.

We have the right to protection. But what we get are officials who delay coming onto the scene until they can assure themselves a considerable margin of safety, and people prevented from and/or prosecuted for ensuring their safety themselves.

How differently would this have come out if, as with the Texas church, there were people around who were allowed to look out for their own safety?

Ironic that in the State that bears the same name as the Sheriff, open and concealed carry is common. How many school shootings in Israel?

Zippyjuan
02-16-2018, 11:50 AM
Instagram photos from the shooter: MAGA

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/nintchdbpict000385322294-e1518692105437.jpg?strip=all&w=430

http://wsbuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/pjimage-101-e1518657667357.jpg

Zippyjuan
02-16-2018, 12:26 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/politics/trump-broward-county-vice-mayor-florida-shooting-cnntv/index.html


Florida vice mayor slams 'absurd' Trump visit

Mark Bogen, the vice mayor of Florida's Broward County, said Friday that President Donald Trump's expected visit with the victims of the Parkland school shooting is "absolutely absurd."

"Him coming here is absolutely absurd, and he's a hypocrite," Bogen said of the President in an interview Friday with CNN's Fredricka Whitfield. "How can you come here and talk about how horrible it is when you support these laws?"

The President on Thursday offered no indication he is willing to revisit the nation's gun laws, instead emphasizing the mental health aspect of mass shootings. Last February, he signed a measure that revoked an Obama-era regulation, which required the Social Security Administration to disclose information to the national gun background check system about certain people with mental illness on a quarterly basis. It's unclear, however, if that measure would have prevented Wednesday's shooting.



(actually, it is clear it would not have prevented it- the shooter was not on Social Security and was not declared mentally incompetent)


"So President Trump now, based on his actions, allows mentally ill people to purchase guns when over a year ago they could not," Bogen said.
Bogen argued that Trump is a hypocrite because he supports the purchasing of assault weapons, "and then comes down here and wants to act as though this is horrible, and this shouldn't happen, but goes back to Washington and supports it."

seapilot
02-16-2018, 12:58 PM
I recently reactivated my Facebook, after being away from it for a few years… and of course everyone is talking about this shooting. Of course all the libs are pushing hard for more gun control, blaming it on the NRA, etc. etc.

How would you respond to this? (See the screenshot below) I know that you can't compare the US to countries like Australia or England, when they have a completely different mindset… But I want to respond to people who are saying stuff like this because if things keep going the way they've been going, this is where were heading. This is what they want… Gun bans, just like in Australia and England.

https://image.ibb.co/csKD5n/Screen_Shot_2018_02_15_at_11.png

Good site about guns in USA. More people are protected by having a gun than not having one. That is something the corporate media does not want to share. http://americangunfacts.com/

FSP-Rebel
02-16-2018, 01:10 PM
Instagram photos from the shooter: MAGA

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/nintchdbpict000385322294-e1518692105437.jpg?strip=all&w=430

Clearly photo-shopped, but then again, that's quality stuff from you.

964359180021678080

Zippyjuan
02-16-2018, 01:11 PM
Clearly photo-shopped, but then again, that's quality stuff from you.



https://www.snopes.com/did-shooters-instagram-picture-maga-hat/


several outlets took screenshots of the images on this Instagram page which included time stamps dating back months before the shooting. The following photograph from Fox News, for instance, includes a time stamp from July 2017:

https://us-east-1.tchyn.io/snopes-production/uploads/2018/02/cruz-trump-july.jpg

kcchiefs6465
02-16-2018, 01:30 PM
https://www.snopes.com/did-shooters-instagram-picture-maga-hat/
That's a BB gun. As was the other picture.

Valli6
02-16-2018, 01:44 PM
Why did the FBI drop the ball on this? Because they spent most of their man-hours trying to smear Trump?

FBI Was Notified Last Year of Threatening YouTube Comment by 'Nikolas Cruz'
http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/02/15/florida-school-shooting-fbi-notified-threatening-youtube-comment-nikolas-cruz


See Something, Say Something...

They also received a call about him on January 5th.


FBI admits it didn’t investigate tip on alleged school shooter last month
By Ruth Brown February 16, 2018 | 12:52pm

The FBI was warned last month that Nikolas Cruz was an armed psycho who might shoot up a school — but it didn’t bother investigating, the agency admitted Friday.

“A person close to” Cruz called the agency’s tipline on Jan. 5 and reported the 19-year-old had a “desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts” and there was “potential of him conducting a school shooting,” the FBI said in a statement.

But the agency said it failed to pass on any of that information to its Miami field office, even thought its own protocols say he “should have been assessed as a potential threat to life.”...
https://nypost.com/2018/02/16/fbi-failed-to-investigate-tip-on-school-shooter-last-month


I think today's 13 indictments are a distraction from another significant failure from the FBI.

pcosmar
02-16-2018, 02:33 PM
How would you respond to this? (See the screenshot below)

https://image.ibb.co/csKD5n/Screen_Shot_2018_02_15_at_11.png

Eight children killed in Australia in reported mass stabbing
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-crime-murder/eight-children-killed-in-australia-in-reported-mass-stabbing-idUSKBN0JX09620141219


Teenager dies after mass stabbing at Sydney birthday party
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/aug/07/teenager-in-critical-condition-after-seven-stabbed-in-brawl-at-sydney-party

Knife killings on the rise in Australia as gun murders fall, says new criminology report
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/knife-killings-on-the-rise-in-australia-as-gun-murders-fall-says-new-criminology-report/news-story/8abb94fcce1a98675f771b2d183875f9?sv=14d584765e3aff 67b531dab6d5c213b


It aint't the guns.

lilymc
02-16-2018, 02:48 PM
Eight children killed in Australia in reported mass stabbing
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-crime-murder/eight-children-killed-in-australia-in-reported-mass-stabbing-idUSKBN0JX09620141219


Teenager dies after mass stabbing at Sydney birthday party
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/aug/07/teenager-in-critical-condition-after-seven-stabbed-in-brawl-at-sydney-party

Knife killings on the rise in Australia as gun murders fall, says new criminology report
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/knife-killings-on-the-rise-in-australia-as-gun-murders-fall-says-new-criminology-report/news-story/8abb94fcce1a98675f771b2d183875f9?sv=14d584765e3aff 67b531dab6d5c213b


It aint't the guns.


Good site about guns in USA. More people are protected by having a gun than not having one. That is something the corporate media does not want to share. http://americangunfacts.com/

Thank you for the suggestions, you guys. I did reply to another post of hers (regarding the NRA) and she hasn't replied yet. So I don't think I'm going to reply to that other post… at least not yet.

phill4paul
02-16-2018, 03:11 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/politics/trump-broward-county-vice-mayor-florida-shooting-cnntv/index.html



(actually, it is clear it would not have prevented it- the shooter was not on Social Security and was not declared mentally incompetent)

Mark Bogen. Democrat. In the face of tragedy pushing divisiveness. Imagine that. :rolleyes:

Zippyjuan
02-16-2018, 03:11 PM
964359180021678080



We need to track all citizens better so we know in advance what sorts of crimes they are going to commit.

Anti Federalist
02-16-2018, 03:21 PM
Did the FBI deliberately sit on this, in order to push for, not gun control, but even more surveillance powers?

Swordsmyth
02-16-2018, 03:23 PM
Did the FBI deliberately sit on this, in order to push for, not gun control, but even more surveillance powers?
Probably both and to create a distraction from their scandals.

phill4paul
02-16-2018, 03:26 PM
Did the FBI deliberately sit on this, in order to push for, not gun control, but even more surveillance powers?

Either they sat on it and are complicit or they are just total dunderheads. Neither view lends much credence for their existence.

Swordsmyth
02-16-2018, 03:28 PM
http://www.cryptogon.com/?p=52348


Update: On the Day of the Shooting, Teachers Were Told There Would Soon Be a “Code Red” or “Lockdown” Drill

Via: Miami Herald (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200190199.html):
When the fire alarm rang near the end of the school day on Wednesday at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, teacher Ernest Rospierski assumed it was a “code red” drill.
Earlier that day at a staff meeting, teachers had been told there would soon be a “code red” or “lockdown” drill — in which teachers and students practice their response to an immediate threat — but they hadn’t been told the date.
Rospierski was sitting at his desk around 2:25 p.m. when the fire alarm rang. His students filed out of their third-floor classroom and made their way toward the stairs. Then Rospierski heard the sound of gunfire.


One Response to “Florida High School Shooting”

pookie Says:
February 15th, 2018 at 12:37 pm (http://www.cryptogon.com/?p=52348#comment-26978) Bubba Rum Das over at ZeroHedge reports:
“It’s obviously a False Flag; I was listening to an NPR interview of two sophomore girls who were there; first BOTH of them said they “thought it was a DRILL, because a DHS drill had been scheduled”…
Also, they both said they heard the helicopters BEFORE the shooting started; apparently there was also an MRAP there w/ numerous SWAT teams almost instantly after the shooting started-
Along w/ that, for 17 people killed along w/ 20 injured, only about 4 ambulances showed up in over two hours of footage covering then incident that I watched on the mainstream networks!
DHS emergency trailer also present, that you see at almost all the Drills…”
_____
Any of these mass murders ever take place when there ISN’T a “drill” going on? Scheduled drills should be the sign for everyone to stay home that day.

acptulsa
02-16-2018, 03:30 PM
Either they sat on it and are complicit or they are just total dunderheads. Neither view lends much credence for their existence.

Ain't being a taxpayer grand?

Zippyjuan
02-16-2018, 03:38 PM
Did the FBI deliberately sit on this, in order to push for, not gun control, but even more surveillance powers?

According to reports, the FBI was alerted to a reply to something on YouTube but couldn't say for certain who the person was so they dropped it. It was realized after the shooting who had done it.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/florida-shooting-school-nikolas-cruz-suspect-shooter-parkland-fbi-youtube-a8212726.html


The FBI was tipped off about a YouTube comment from someone using the name “nikolas cruz” who said they were going to "be a professional school shooter” in September - five months before a man with same name allegedly opened fire on pupils in Florida.

The bureau had received information about the comment last year, said Robert Lasky, the special agent in charge of the Miami division.

But he said the tip did not include additional details that could help reveal the shape of a potential threat.

“No other information was included with that comment, which would indicate a time, location or the true identity of the person who made that comment,” he told reporters. “The FBI conducted database reviews, checks, but was unable to further identify the person who actually made the comment”.

In September, someone using the name "nikolas cruz" wrote: “Im going to be a professional school shooter”

It is unclear whether it is the same Nikolas Cruz, who has been charged with 17 counts of murder after the massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland.

Zippyjuan
02-16-2018, 03:40 PM
Either they sat on it and are complicit or they are just total dunderheads. Neither view lends much credence for their existence.

They need to update their ability to track everybody at all times. For Liberty's sake.

phill4paul
02-16-2018, 03:43 PM
They need to update their ability to track everybody at all times. For Liberty's sake.

What tracking? His activities were handed to them on a silver platter.


On January 5, 2018, a person close to Nikolas Cruz contacted the FBI’s Public Access Line (PAL) tipline to report concerns about him. The caller provided information about Cruz’s gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting.

Under established protocols, the information provided by the caller should have been assessed as a potential threat to life. The information then should have been forwarded to the FBI Miami Field Office, where appropriate investigative steps would have been taken.

We have determined that these protocols were not followed for the information received by the PAL on January 5. The information was not provided to the Miami Field Office, and no further investigation was conducted at that time.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-statement-on-the-shooting-in-parkland-florida

phill4paul
02-16-2018, 03:44 PM
According to reports, the FBI was alerted to a reply to something on YouTube but couldn't say for certain who the person was so they dropped it. It was realized after the shooting who had done it.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/florida-shooting-school-nikolas-cruz-suspect-shooter-parkland-fbi-youtube-a8212726.html

No. They were given him on a silver platter....


On January 5, 2018, a person close to Nikolas Cruz contacted the FBI’s Public Access Line (PAL) tipline to report concerns about him. The caller provided information about Cruz’s gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting.

Under established protocols, the information provided by the caller should have been assessed as a potential threat to life. The information then should have been forwarded to the FBI Miami Field Office, where appropriate investigative steps would have been taken.

We have determined that these protocols were not followed for the information received by the PAL on January 5. The information was not provided to the Miami Field Office, and no further investigation was conducted at that time.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-statement-on-the-shooting-in-parkland-florida

Zippyjuan
02-16-2018, 03:45 PM
No. They were given him on a silver platter....



https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-statement-on-the-shooting-in-parkland-florida

Thanks for the additional information.

timosman
02-16-2018, 04:00 PM
Thanks for the additional information.

It would sound sincere had you not been spamming the thread with bogus info. :cool:

Anti Federalist
02-16-2018, 04:49 PM
Here We Go Again . . .

https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2018/02/16/here-we-go-again/

By eric - February 16, 2018

A psychopath shoots up a school and the Usual People “demand” that only psychopaths be permitted to handle guns.

It’s not said that way, of course. Honest language being problematic language these days.

But that is nonetheless what’s on the table.

Psychopaths includes armed government workers – including as a for-instance the armed government worker (Philip “Mitch” Brailsford) who murdered an unarmed and pleading for his life Daniel shaver in Mesa, Arizona – who will not be disarmed. They have in fact been armed-up, with arms that are already illegal or very difficult to legally acquire if you are not an armed government worker.

And of course it includes the run-of-the-mill psychopaths, who can be expected to heed laws forbidding them to possess guns as exactly as they obey laws forbidding them to assault, steal and kill.

And there are more such psychopaths in circulation today – of both kinds.

How will it make the rest of us “safer” to disarm us – but not them? It’s a valid question, which is why it is rarely asked – and never answered when it is.

If, as a hypothetical, everyone could be disarmed – the psychopathic and non alike – then perhaps a viable practical argument could be made in favor of the same. It would still be morally dubious to criminalize mere possession of a gun (or any other thing) merely because “someone” – not that specific person – might use a gun in a criminal or reckless manner.

But at least the playing field would be even, sort of.

Women and older people would still be hugely more vulnerable to physical assault by people larger and stronger and younger. A gun in the possession of a woman or an older person makes them the equal of a large man bent upon doing them harm.

Nevertheless, the hypothetical “gun free” zone that actually did exist might be a thing with appeal. The problem is just that, however.

The hypothetical part. The fantasy part.

“Gun free” zones exist, all right – in the sense that there are places where people who obey laws do not carry guns. This is of course precisely what those – such as the Florida psychopath – count upon. For the same reason adduced by the famous bank robber Willie Sutton, who explained to the idiots who asked him why he robbed banks: Because that’s where the money is.

In “gun free” zones, there are no guns . . . in the hands of the soon-to-be-victimized. The people who are going to be slaughtered like cows in a packing plant because they do not have guns.

This is the true nature of the “action” insisted upon by the psychopaths, who are psychotic precisely because they either deny reality or know it and grossly, purposefully lie about it. They demand that guns be controlled – just not their guns. They demand we – the ordinary volk – be placed at the mercy of psychopaths with guns. But not themselves.

Could the effrontery be greater?

It can only be countered with outrage – and honest language.

When government workers give up their guns, when it is illegal for anyone to carry a gun – including armed government workers – then perhaps it will be polite to at least listen to their eructations without balling up a fist and fighting the urge to knock out their teeth.

But until that happy day arrives, all this talk of “demanding action” is nothing more – and nothing less – than their demand that you be punished for the crimes of others and that crime be committed upon you by them.

euphemia
02-16-2018, 05:33 PM
I don't notice how anyone is calling for an end to government schooling. Every single school shooting was carried out at a government institution. It's time to end the federal system and let local communities figure out how to deliver education at a manageable level.

lilymc
02-16-2018, 05:36 PM
Shootings carried out in which the shooter was known to the FBI. Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Omar Mateen. Maj. Nidal Hasan. And this guy.

Thank you. If anyone has time, can we work together to compile a complete list?

Instead of staying silent, I really believe that now is the time to voice this loud and clear… especially to those on the other side who don't care about any of this stuff and simply want to ban guns. Let's create a meme with this info, tweet about it, share this info far and wide. I know that many of you think that trying to reach the other side is hopeless, but there are people who may be on the fence, and at the very least we can get them to start questioning things.

Anti Federalist
02-16-2018, 05:56 PM
I don't notice how anyone is calling for an end to government schooling. Every single school shooting was carried out at a government institution. It's time to end the federal system and let local communities figure out how to deliver education at a manageable level.

I have.

Swordsmyth
02-16-2018, 06:01 PM
Thank you. If anyone has time, can we work together to compile a complete list?

Instead of staying silent, I really believe that now is the time to voice this loud and clear… especially to those on the other side who don't care about any of this stuff and simply want to ban guns. Let's create a meme with this info, tweet about it, share this info far and wide. I know that many of you think that trying to reach the other side is hopeless, but there are people who may be on the fence, and at the very least we can get them to start questioning things.

You must spread some reputation around.......

Raginfridus
02-16-2018, 06:01 PM
Thank you. If anyone has time, can we work together to compile a complete list?

Instead of staying silent, I really believe that now is the time to voice this loud and clear… especially to those on the other side who don't care about any of this stuff and simply want to ban guns. Let's create a meme with this info, tweet about it, share this info far and wide. I know that many of you think that trying to reach the other side is hopeless, but there are people who may be on the fence, and at the very least we can get them to start questioning things.If my pc was finished, I'd make a great one up quick.

navy-vet
02-16-2018, 06:03 PM
You must spread some reputation around.......
I tried to give her some.... :(

lilymc
02-16-2018, 06:11 PM
Thanks for the +rep or the thought, you guys! :) I have to work on a video today for my roommate (she needs it by tomorrow to show to her church)... But as soon as I'm done with this I can get to compiling this list.

kcchiefs6465
02-16-2018, 07:02 PM
I don't notice how anyone is calling for an end to government schooling. Every single school shooting was carried out at a government institution. It's time to end the federal system and let local communities figure out how to deliver education at a manageable level.


I have.
I mentioned it earlier in this thread as well.

euphemia
02-16-2018, 07:24 PM
Shootings carried out in which the shooter was known to the FBI. Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Omar Mateen. Maj. Nidal Hasan. And this guy.

Dylan Roof, William Atchison

lilymc
02-17-2018, 02:25 AM
Hey, I know that most of you aren't on Fedbook but if anyone is...you are needed. The anti-2A brainwashed libs are overwhelmingly outnumbering everyone else… Please educate them: https://www.facebook.com/TheOther98/photos/a.115969958413991.17486.114517875225866/2276048772406088/?type=3&theater

Is it just me, or does it pain others to see this? They're literally laughing and mocking those who are simply saying that people have a right to defend themselves.

GunnyFreedom
02-17-2018, 05:25 AM
Hey, I know that most of you aren't on Fedbook but if anyone is...you are needed. The anti-2A brainwashed libs are overwhelmingly outnumbering everyone else… Please educate them: https://www.facebook.com/TheOther98/photos/a.115969958413991.17486.114517875225866/2276048772406088/?type=3&theater

Is it just me, or does it pain others to see this? They're literally laughing and mocking those who are simply saying that people have a right to defend themselves.

That's a leftist echo chamber. Of course nearly all of the comments are going to be leftist.

tod evans
02-17-2018, 05:38 AM
Hey, I know that most of you aren't on Fedbook but if anyone is...you are needed. The anti-2A brainwashed libs are overwhelmingly outnumbering everyone else… Please educate them: https://www.facebook.com/TheOther98/photos/a.115969958413991.17486.114517875225866/2276048772406088/?type=3&theater

Is it just me, or does it pain others to see this? They're literally laughing and mocking those who are simply saying that people have a right to defend themselves.

An E-mail I got forwarded to me;


COLUMBINE STUDENT'S FATHER 12 YEARS LATER !!
Guess our national leaders didn't expect this. On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.

They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness.. The following is a portion of the transcript:
"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good & evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.

"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.

"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death.

Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent.

I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.

Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question "Why?"
You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand,
That God is what we need!

"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.

"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge.. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone!

My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"

- Darrell Scott
Do what the media did not - - let the nation hear this man's speech. Please send this out to everyone you can.
God Bless

PRB
02-17-2018, 06:39 AM
Oh shut the $#@! up, will you please?

denying my conspiracy discovery? you're part of the problem!

PRB
02-17-2018, 06:40 AM
What are you Ms Cleo? What's the numerological significance of the ignore button?

I prefer Alex Jones, you know, somebody who actually uses FACTS.

PRB
02-17-2018, 06:42 AM
He is absolutely a commie. I knew the guy through his "transition." He felt the Bern.

was he a commie at the time he wore the shirt?

PRB
02-17-2018, 06:46 AM
the guy in ANTIFA t-shirt is definitely not this guy

964106517782908928

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5XRskWEdvhs/hqdefault.jpg

goldenequity
02-17-2018, 06:46 AM
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5XRskWEdvhs/hqdefault.jpg

his name is Marcel. (Antifa dude.)


I prefer Alex Jones, you know, somebody who actually uses FACTS.
hahaha... here's some ammunition.

An open letter to @KitDaniels1776, who is a reporter for @Infowars and a vile maggot.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/964187511017869316.html

Firestarter
02-17-2018, 10:47 AM
Teacher Margerie Stone tells what happened, and she also tells that she thought it was a drill because an active shooter drill had been announced.
She explains that they were told it was a “Code red” and had to hide...

https://youtu.be/fBfSglfkULg


In the following video the incredibly brave Samantha is interviewed, who lost her friend...
She was shot (several times?) with an AR-15 and was taken to the hospitial in an ambulance.
That doctors really did and amazing job once again, and.. a small book saved her life (starting 2:54)!

I believe, maybe, the book deterred some of the bullets..so it didn't hit me so badly.

https://youtu.be/3F_vdCHlDds


In the following video the main person is the girl (Kelsey Friend), who tells that she thought it was a drill. It’s impressive that she just keeps on talking. She tells about her geography teacher (Scott Beigel, 35) being shot and killed.
She goes as far as saying that she thought it was “fake”.
When the boy standing next to her finally gets the chance to speak, he almost immediately rants a prepared story that something must be done.
Towards the end, a tearful voice by Kelsey, but I don’t see any tears.

https://youtu.be/GoM2_0qvaIU


According to his arrest affidavit, Nikolas Cruz confessed using an AR-15 rifle to shoot “students that he saw in the hallways” at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School “and on school grounds”.
Reportedly He also confessed that he brought “additional loaded magazines” that he stashed in a backpack.

According to ABC, his arrest affidavit shows that Cruz claimed that "demon" voices in his head told him how to carry out the ambush that left at least 17 people dead: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/15/florida-high-school-suspect-nikolas-cruz-claimed-to-hear-voices-in-his-head-report-says.html


According to the arrest affidavit of Nikolas Cruz on the internet, ABC was lying about the voices in his head (see page 5): https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4379893/MC-Docket.pdf
https://s19.postimg.org/w7kthw0hv/Miami_FF_affadavit_Cruz.png

lilymc
02-17-2018, 02:04 PM
That's a leftist echo chamber. Of course nearly all of the comments are going to be leftist.

Yeah, I realized that not long after I started posting. Still, the side of truth is needed on threads like that. Many of them are probably very young, and just misguided. But even if they are hopeless, there are others reading those threads and the truth needs to be stated.


An E-mail I got forwarded to me;

So much truth there, I love it! Thank you for sharing that. Sadly, his point of view is very unpopular… In fact, I've noticed that their latest thing is to mock when people say "Pray for (such and such place)." Their motto now seems to be "We don't need prayer we need stricter gun laws." Oh, and still blaming the NRA.

lilymc
02-17-2018, 02:12 PM
Teacher Margerie Stone tells what happened, and she also tells that she thought it was a drill because an active shooter drill had been announced.
She explains that they were told it was a “Code red” and had to hide...

https://youtu.be/fBfSglfkULg


In the following video the incredibly brave Samantha is interviewed, who lost her friend...
She was shot (several times?) with an AR-15 and was taken to the hospitial in an ambulance.
That doctors really did and amazing job once again, and.. a small book saved her life (starting 2:54)!


https://youtu.be/3F_vdCHlDds


In the following video the main person is the girl (Kelsey Friend), who tells that she thought it was a drill. It’s impressive that she just keeps on talking. She tells about her geography teacher (Scott Beigel, 35) being shot and killed.
She goes as far as saying that she thought it was “fake”.
When the boy standing next to her finally gets the chance to speak, he almost immediately rants a prepared story that something must be done.
Towards the end, a tearful voice by Kelsey, but I don’t see any tears.

https://youtu.be/GoM2_0qvaIU


According to his arrest affidavit, Nikolas Cruz confessed using an AR-15 rifle to shoot “students that he saw in the hallways” at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School “and on school grounds”.
Reportedly He also confessed that he brought “additional loaded magazines” that he stashed in a backpack.

According to ABC, his arrest affidavit shows that Cruz claimed that "demon" voices in his head told him how to carry out the ambush that left at least 17 people dead: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/15/florida-high-school-suspect-nikolas-cruz-claimed-to-hear-voices-in-his-head-report-says.html


According to the arrest affidavit of Nikolas Cruz on the internet, ABC was lying about the voices in his head (see page 5): https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4379893/MC-Docket.pdf
https://s19.postimg.org/w7kthw0hv/Miami_FF_affadavit_Cruz.png

Interesting stuff. I normally don't watch TV, but I'm visiting my mom right now and I was watching the news last night… And there was this one kid who blatantly looked like he was reading from a script...Not only the way he was speaking, but his eyes, and everything about it seemed so contrived. I thought to myself, am I the only one seeing this? This is absolutely crazy.

I haven't looked into this one too closely yet, but based on what I learned so far, it seems to fit all the usual characteristics of a false flag.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBiWGFGoyng&t=684s

devil21
02-17-2018, 02:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nM0asnCXD0

Valli6
02-17-2018, 02:25 PM
Younger brother committed.

School shooter’s brother committed to mental facility
By Dean Balsamini February 17, 2018 | 11:26am

The younger brother of deranged school shooter Nikolas Cruz was committed to a mental health facility, according to reports.

Authorities removed someone Friday from the home of Rocxanne Deschamps, a longtime family friend of the Cruz brothers who took them in after their adoptive mother died of pneumonia in November, The Palm Beach Post reported.

A friend of Deschamps confirmed Zachary Cruz, who turns 18 next week, was the person removed from the home.

The younger Cruz brother was involuntarily committed under Florida’s Baker Act, under which he can be held involuntarily for up to 12 hours for an involuntary psychiatric exam. It’s unclear if he’s been released.

Nikolas Cruz left Deschamps’ Lantana, FL mobile home around Thanksgiving after he and Deschamps squared off over a gun...

more: https://nypost.com/2018/02/17/school-shooters-brother-committed-to-mental-facility/

timosman
02-17-2018, 02:40 PM
I prefer Alex Jones, you know, somebody who actually uses FACTS.

So you show up out of sudden, post 5 times in 10 minutes and disappear again. How is that not considered flashing?

http://sthelenscelebritynews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/190907656873598a766cb0e7026fe6c2230ffe7.jpg

enhanced_deficit
02-17-2018, 02:47 PM
The Racists Trying to Exploit the Parkland Shooting

By Charles Bethea
1:10 P.M.

Last Wednesday, in Parkland, Florida, more than four hundred miles from Jereb’s home base, in Tallahassee, a nineteen-year-old named Nikolas Cruz allegedly killed at least seventeen people at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, injuring at least a dozen more, with an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle. The next day, the Anti-Defamation League reported that it had spoken with Jereb, and that he had confirmed that Cruz had trained with the R.O.F. Someone at the A.D.L. had spotted a thread on the notorious imageboard Web site 4chan, in which posters claimed that Cruz had associated with the group. It would later become evident that the purpose of the thread had been to fool members of the media. The idea for it reportedly originated, earlier that afternoon, on a chat app for gamers called Discord (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/16/florida-shooting-white-nationalists-415672), which is popular with neo-Nazis (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/technology/discord-chat-app-alt-right.html).

“Nikolas Cruz was a revolutionary member of the Republic of Florida,” one post read, “who preached twisted and dark things like terrorism and attacking innocent people.” Purported pictures of Cruz attending R.O.F. gatherings also appeared. Jereb soon began receiving calls from reporters who’d found the R.O.F.’s “hotline” number on its home page. “He was part of our organization,” Jereb reportedly told the Daily Beast, about Cruz. “He wasn’t particularly active in it, but at some point he came to Tallahassee with I believe the Clearwater RoF. I know he didn’t live in Clearwater, but I think that was the company he clicked up with.” ABC News reported that three former schoolmates had said “that Cruz was part of the group. They claimed he marched with the group frequently and was often seen with Jereb.” These comments went well beyond what even Jereb had boasted. The sources for the ABC News report appear to have been some of the same online trolls (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/evidence-linking-alleged-shooter-to-white-supremacist-group-is-unraveling_us_5a860d74e4b004fc3190630c) who hatched the plan, on Discord, to trick the press. (ABC News declined to comment on its reporting; on Friday evening, the story was removed from its Web site.)

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-racists-trying-to-exploit-the-parkland-shooting

goldenequity
02-17-2018, 02:52 PM
August 17, 2017
Parents Catch FBI In Plot To Force Mentally Ill Son To Be A Right Wing Terrorist
http://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/psychological-operations/parents-catch-fbi-plot-force-mentally-ill-son-right-wing-terrorist/

navy-vet
02-17-2018, 03:25 PM
Say, has anyone heard anything about Nikolas Cruz and his brothers origins? A dear friend of mine from Ohio sent me a pm today.
"I wanted to make a comment on this Nick Cruz. ONE source on the radio said that he and his brother had been adopted from Russia....I have not heard that from any other source nor can I find it on the internet. Every report just says he was adopted but gives no clue as to the source. I am interested in adoptions from Russia because I know two couples here in Akron who adopted 1.a baby 2. a toddler from Russia and had the SAME experience - very violent insane children. The couple who adopted a girl toddler have had TERRIBLE issues with her....I can't go into them all...they have been put through the wringer with this girl who is now grown up. They FINALLY thought they found the answer (in addition to medication) by introducing order and routine into her life with military school. The girl announced she was going to join the military after school. She did, then went promptly AWOL, running away with some guy. Now they have no idea where she is since she left the guy. The little boy adopted by the other couple as a baby is SO VIOLENT the couple is afraid of him. They have installed locks on the INSIDE of their bedroom door and got rid of their pets."

"Well, I wonder if it's true because I only heard it on one broadcast. But I do know there is a terrible problem with children adopted from Russia because Russian orphanages do not nurture the children - even babies/ They have the infants tightly swaddled, lined up in big rooms filled with cribs. They are clean, well fed but never touched. If they cry, they let them cry..they never touch them. It makes for terrible mental problems...bad brain disfunction.The neural pathways never form that are needed for interaction , for developing relationships with others, because those are dependant, apparently, on being held, stroked, kissed, as an infant."

"Apparently it can't develop later because once that crucial period has passed, the opportunity is gone."-Barbara

I personally commented that there was / is, a high incidence of alcoholism in the Russian population and Fetal Alcohol Syndrome can be quite damaging to the brains of these children. Another gift that just keeps on giving from the loveless and dismal world of communism.... so sad and scary

Swordsmyth
02-17-2018, 03:39 PM
Say, has anyone heard anything about Nikolas Cruz and his brothers origins? A dear friend of mine from Ohio sent me a pm today.
"I wanted to make a comment on this Nick Cruz. ONE source on the radio said that he and his brother had been adopted from Russia....I have not heard that from any other source nor can I find it on the internet. Every report just says he was adopted but gives no clue as to the source. I am interested in adoptions from Russia because I know two couples here in Akron who adopted 1.a baby 2. a toddler from Russia and had the SAME experience - very violent insane children. The couple who adopted a girl toddler have had TERRIBLE issues with her....I can't go into them all...they have been put through the wringer with this girl who is now grown up. They FINALLY thought they found the answer (in addition to medication) by introducing order and routine into her life with military school. The girl announced she was going to join the military after school. She did, then went promptly AWOL, running away with some guy. Now they have no idea where she is since she left the guy. The little boy adopted by the other couple as a baby is SO VIOLENT the couple is afraid of him. They have installed locks on the INSIDE of their bedroom door and got rid of their pets."

"Well, I wonder if it's true because I only heard it on one broadcast. But I do know there is a terrible problem with children adopted from Russia because Russian orphanages do not nurture the children - even babies/ They have the infants tightly swaddled, lined up in big rooms filled with cribs. They are clean, well fed but never touched. If they cry, they let them cry..they never touch them. It makes for terrible mental problems...bad brain disfunction.The neural pathways never form that are needed for interaction , for developing relationships with others, because those are dependant, apparently, on being held, stroked, kissed, as an infant."

"Apparently it can't develop later because once that crucial period has passed, the opportunity is gone."-Barbara

I personally commented that there was / is, a high incidence of alcoholism in the Russian population and Fetal Alcohol Syndrome can be quite damaging to the brains of these children. Another gift that just keeps on giving from the loveless and dismal world of communism.... so sad and scary

I've been told that they send their worst problem children (mental or medical issues) to foreign adoptive parents as well, on the other hand it may be fake news since demonizing Russia is popular lately.

navy-vet
02-17-2018, 04:04 PM
I've been told that they send their worst problem children (mental or medical issues) to foreign adoptive parents as well, on the other hand it may be fake news since demonizing Russia is popular lately.
true that
The spelling of the name Nikolas is, if I am not mistaken, Russian? We and the Germans I believe, spell it Nicholaus?
anyway. I just became informed of another interesting tidbit in these regards.
"I don't know if you are aware at all of the Fatima prophecies....but I am a Catholic and have particular veneration for the Blessed Virgin Mary. When She appeared to the peasant children in Fatima Portugal 100 years ago her massage was particularly about the errors of Russia - she said that unless Russia was consecrated to Her Sacred Heart, so that She could convert the people of Russia back to the Faith...their errors would spread throughout the whole world. It has been a great tragedy that no Pope has been bold enough in 100 years to do it.....And see what has happened."-barb
"

navy-vet
02-17-2018, 04:06 PM
I am thinking seriously about converting to Catholicism like my late and beloved Mother did.

specsaregood
02-17-2018, 04:14 PM
I've been told that they send their worst problem children (mental or medical issues) to foreign adoptive parents as well, on the other hand it may be fake news since demonizing Russia is popular lately.

Our neighbors adopted 2 of them when they were < 10, brothers. Both have grown up to be fine young men, one off to college now, the younger one in high school has been the only kid ever in a neighborhood full of kids to go around offering to shovel snow for money.

Swordsmyth
02-17-2018, 04:22 PM
true that
The spelling of the name Nikolas is, if I am not mistaken, Russian? We and the Germans I believe, spell it Nicholaus?
anyway. I just became informed of another interesting tidbit in these regards.
"I don't know if you are aware at all of the Fatima prophecies....but I am a Catholic and have particular veneration for the Blessed Virgin Mary. When She appeared to the peasant children in Fatima Portugal 100 years ago her massage was particularly about the errors of Russia - she said that unless Russia was consecrated to Her Sacred Heart, so that She could convert the people of Russia back to the Faith...their errors would spread throughout the whole world. It has been a great tragedy that no Pope has been bold enough in 100 years to do it.....And see what has happened."-barb
"

I wondered about the spelling myself, I'm not a Catholic and I don't believe in the "Fatima" prophecies, I think they are propaganda. (The Catholic church invented the term "propaganda")


I am thinking seriously about converting to Catholicism like my late and beloved Mother did.
I wouldn't presume to tell you what to do but I believe Catholicism to be wrong.

Swordsmyth
02-17-2018, 04:23 PM
Our neighbors adopted 2 of them when they were < 10, brothers. Both have grown up to be fine young men, one off to college now, the younger one in high school has been the only kid ever in a neighborhood full of kids to go around offering to shovel snow for money.

Glad to hear it.

navy-vet
02-17-2018, 04:27 PM
There's a lot of articles about this many which are dated back when Russia was our friend. Back when and before our supreme leader saw Putin's soul.

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1997439,00.html

http://pantheon.hrw.org/legacy/reports98/russia2/Russ98d-05.htm

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/02/20/280237833/orphans-lonely-beginnings-reveal-how-parents-shape-a-childs-brain

timosman
02-17-2018, 04:31 PM
There's a lot of articles about this many which are dated back when Russia was our friend. Back when and before our supreme leader saw Putin's soul.

Was that back when people had souls?:confused:

navy-vet
02-17-2018, 04:37 PM
I have no doubt that there are exceptions but it is something to think about. There is likely some hard truths in the cold attitudes of child rearing and nurturing that was ingrained inthe harsh USSR life. And fetal alcohol syndrome is very real and debilitating. :(

navy-vet
02-17-2018, 04:38 PM
Was that back when people had souls?:confused:
allegedly

Working Poor
02-17-2018, 05:25 PM
Okay I believe children were shot and killed but, I don't believe this poor mentally challenged individual did it.

lilymc
02-17-2018, 06:21 PM
Have you guys noticed that they're blaming Trump for this? But remember all those school shootings under Obama's watch? I never heard any of the Dems blame Obama.

Also, maybe it's just me… but for some reason the public's reaction to this particular one feels different. There seems to be much more of an uproar and a collective call for the government to step in and do something.

pcosmar
02-17-2018, 06:39 PM
Have you guys noticed that they're blaming Trump for this? But remember all those school shootings under Obama's watch? I never heard any of the Dems blame Obama.

Also, maybe it's just me… but for some reason the public's reaction to this particular one feels different. There seems to be much more of an uproar and a collective call for the government to step in and do something.

Because it is a Psych Drug problem.. and few will admit that..

They will blame anything else,, Guns, Health Care,, but not the drugs.. (or those that manipulate with drugs)
They are FDA approved.

tod evans
02-17-2018, 06:39 PM
Have you guys noticed that they're blaming Trump for this? But remember all those school shootings under Obama's watch? I never heard any of the Dems blame Obama.

Also, maybe it's just me… but for some reason the public's reaction to this particular one feels different. There seems to be much more of an uproar and a collective call for the government to step in and do something.

Racist!

How dare you call the MSM to task and slander St. Obama....

euphemia
02-17-2018, 06:49 PM
Also, maybe it's just me… but for some reason the public's reaction to this particular one feels different. There seems to be much more of an uproar and a collective call for the government to step in and do something.

Media libs have a long time to groom us to stay angry all the time. Taking away freedoms is the only way people feel they can stay in control.

Anti Federalist
02-17-2018, 08:52 PM
Also, maybe it's just me… but for some reason the public's reaction to this particular one feels different. There seems to be much more of an uproar and a collective call for the government to step in and do something.

Oh no, it's not you.

The Bolshevik left has been spun up and out of control for a while now.

They were just looking for some place to focus.

Republicanguy
02-17-2018, 09:06 PM
American society probably has to change, guns rights are all good and well, until some kids get knocked off, and nobody probably cares in life, everybody hides behind Christianity, and macho man attitudes, and be a man, and this and that.

I know it only takes one individual who has very serious problems, to use a deadly weapon. But there is something wrong there, unless this just happens every day, which clearly shootings do, in America take place in many different settings, with the usually grown people, at an unfair disadvantage.

Swordsmyth
02-17-2018, 09:11 PM
American society probably has to change, guns rights are all good and well, until some kids get knocked off, and nobody probably cares in life, everybody hides behind Christianity, and macho man attitudes, and be a man, and this and that.

I know it only takes one individual who has very serious problems, to use a deadly weapon. But there is something wrong there, unless this just happens every day, which clearly shootings do, in America take place in many different settings, with the usually grown people, at an unfair disadvantage.
Something needs to change alright, we need more concealed and open carrying of weapons by the good guys and less government perversion of society.

Republicanguy
02-17-2018, 09:13 PM
In an ideal world, but this happens too many times. Just watching, Stephen Fry's old film, visiting Kentucky, shows how wild west people were out there. Simply people in western Europe can't understand such a hot headed society.

Swordsmyth
02-17-2018, 09:16 PM
In an ideal world, but this happens too many times. Just watching, Stephen Fry's old film, visiting Kentucky, shows how wild west people were out there. Simply people in western Europe can't understand such a hot headed society.

Government holocausts happen too many times and are far worse.

Republicanguy
02-17-2018, 09:19 PM
In the past they have, but we live in an interconnected world, so long as energy continues, I don't see that changing. I think some users on here are walking with too many paranoid thoughts, and with history on their backs to the point of extreme.

Swordsmyth
02-17-2018, 09:21 PM
In the past they have, but we live in an interconnected world, so long as energy continues, I don't see that changing. I think some users on here are walking with too many paranoid thoughts, and with history on their backs to the point of extreme.
The more interconnected the world is the less places there are to run from governments with the power to kill millions.

pcosmar
02-17-2018, 09:23 PM
The Racists Trying to Exploit the Parkland Shooting


Why is it that that "Racist Group" seems like an intelligence operation to give the disgraced SPLC credibility?

Swordsmyth
02-17-2018, 09:27 PM
Why is it that that "Racist Group" seems like an intelligence operation to give the disgraced SPLC credibility?

Because you have a brain.

Republicanguy
02-17-2018, 09:29 PM
I'm sure if one country existed in the borders of America, it may have a low gun crime, but considering the reality that wouldn't happen or exist. Canada doesn't have America's problem.

pcosmar
02-17-2018, 09:29 PM
American society probably has to change,

It has changed.. and this is the result..

It has changed in a great many ways,, Authoritarian/Socialist ideals have been adopted,, to our detriment.

Republicanguy
02-17-2018, 09:31 PM
No it hasn't. In Kentucky, there are places that still look to the past. Gun problem is the problem of history there, that is why the people don't want to change that, I doubt getting rid of all weapons is an option, but certainly putting an end to this rubbish with what happened this young guy and that weapon is a start. Then all of you can prove me wrong.

Swordsmyth
02-17-2018, 09:33 PM
I'm sure if one country existed in the borders of America, it may have a low gun crime, but considering the reality that wouldn't happen or exist. Canada doesn't have America's problem.

And it didn't before it cracked down on guns, Canada has plenty of it's own problems, why don't you go tell them what to do? (They are still part of the empire, we had the sense to get out)

Swordsmyth
02-17-2018, 09:34 PM
No it hasn't. In Kentucky, there are places that still look to the past. Gun problem is the problem of history there, that is why the people don't want to change that, I doubt getting rid of all weapons is an option, but certainly putting an end to this rubbish with what happened this young guy and that weapon is a start. Then all of you can prove me wrong.

Get lost, our culture has been subverted by your kind of scum and these incidents are their fault.

Raginfridus
02-17-2018, 09:45 PM
It has changed.. and this is the result..

It has changed in a great many ways,, Authoritarian/Socialist ideals have been adopted,, to our detriment.There is no authority in America, only tyranny. Power has been broken and distributed so broadly that policy is made by beaurocrats and all real powers reside in them. No, there is no authority, only the tyranny of the masses.

Raginfridus
02-17-2018, 09:51 PM
No it hasn't. In Kentucky, there are places that still look to the past. Gun problem is the problem of history there, that is why the people don't want to change that, I doubt getting rid of all weapons is an option, but certainly putting an end to this rubbish with what happened this young guy and that weapon is a start. Then all of you can prove me wrong.

Wow, dumbfuck!

pcosmar
02-17-2018, 09:51 PM
There is no authority in America, only tyranny. Power has been broken and distributed so broadly that policy is made by beaurocrats and all real powers reside in them. No, there is no authority, only the tyranny of the masses.

Authoritarian.. I said "authoritarian".

It is not necessary to have any legitimate authority,,to be an authoritarian..

if you doubt such,, challenge the "authority",, and it will be on full display.

Raginfridus
02-17-2018, 10:06 PM
Yeah, I'm referring to authoritarian. We have a tyranny, but it definitely isn't hierarchical. The further up one goes, the weaker become the tools and figureheads.

Whose authority would I challenge, a cop's? Thats my point. This government's a broken clusterfuck of tinpot gods, because dumbfucks like republicanguy vote for more beaurocracy, more power dispersed to token agencies and such cunts that use governance as a means of coercion.

My local fire marshal has more power than Trump.

Dark_Horse_Rider
02-18-2018, 08:12 AM
America finally gets an Orange Revolution. . .

Raginfridus
02-18-2018, 09:07 AM
Real power rests with the alphabet agencies, probably at a regional level. As with the case of that dirty sheriff who said "I live for this shit", at a local level too. It's only when corruption's exposed does the elected class share token disgust on safe network news, and then they go quiet again.

XNavyNuke
02-18-2018, 09:56 AM
Hey, I know that most of you aren't on Fedbook but if anyone is...you are needed. The anti-2A brainwashed libs are overwhelmingly outnumbering everyone else… Please educate them: https://www.facebook.com/TheOther98/photos/a.115969958413991.17486.114517875225866/2276048772406088/?type=3&theater

Is it just me, or does it pain others to see this? They're literally laughing and mocking those who are simply saying that people have a right to defend themselves.

I have relatives who are NRA instructors. Several times they have gotten their accounts frozen by people who complain about their posts on training issues. You have to be very careful what you say because it is so easy to be silenced there. I stopped posting firearms related issues entirely.

Hope you have better luck.

XNN

pcosmar
02-18-2018, 11:02 AM
My local fire marshal has more power than Trump.

Why should he have any "power" ?

Power is the root of the problem.. and giving power.
Power Corrupts..