Taliban invites Rand for peace talks

[Matt Collins]

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/11/rand-paul-invited-peace-talks-taliban/

[Swordsmyth]

It sounds like a good idea if he can either get DJTvsg's cooperation or if he runs and wins in 2020.

[Swordsmyth]

Is this for real? Is it just anti-Paul propaganda? I can see Lindsey Graham or McCain using it against Rand.
Apparently the story was first reported yesterday by the Washington Times.

Taliban invites Rand Paul to peace talks
By Carlo Muñoz - The Washington Times
Sunday, February 11, 2018

The Taliban is extending an invitation to Sen. Rand Paul, Kentucky Republican, to their political office in Doha, to discuss possible peace plans to end the 17-year Afghan war.

The invitation, proposed on the terror group’s social media accounts under the moniker of the “Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan,” was extended in response to Mr. Paul’s recent comments on the status of the war.

“We invite the respectable U.S. Senator Rand Paul, in his official capacity to visit our political office in Doha for mutual talks,” the Twitter post by the Information Committee of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan read.

“We’ll prove to Mr. Rand Paul, the immediate US withdrawal from [Afghanistan] will bring peace to our country & will enhance international security,” the group added in the social media post.

During an interview with Fox News on Thursday, Sen. Paul lambasted Washington’s continued investment in the Afghan conflict, with no clear endgame in sight. “The war in Afghanistan is costing us $50 billion a year… It’s time to come home. There is no military victory there,” Mr. Paul said.

more: https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2...talks-taliban/ (https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/11/rand-paul-invited-peace-talks-taliban/) Taliban Invites US Senator for Mutual Talks
Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:29

TEHRAN (FNA)- Taliban invited a US senator for “mutual talks” in the Qatari capital Doha, where the so-called Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan has an office.

The terror group’s social media accounts extended the invitation to Kentucky Republican Senator Rand Paul over his latest comments about the United States’ long war in Afghanistan, The Washington Times reported.

“We invite the respectable US Senator Rand Paul, in his official capacity to visit our political office in Doha for mutual talks,” according to a Twitter post by the self-declared Information Committee of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan.

It further suggested that the US should withdraw its forces from the war-ravaged country for peace to emerge.

“We’ll prove to Mr. Rand Paul, the immediate US withdrawal from [Afghanistan] will bring peace to our country & will enhance international security,” the group added in the social media post.

The Kentucky lawmaker had criticized investment in the war on Afghanistan during an interview with Fox News on Thursday.

“The war in Afghanistan is costing us $50 billion a year… It’s time to come home. There is no military victory there,” Paul said.

On August 21, Trump announced he would prolong the military intervention in Afghanistan.

The United States --- under Republican George W. Bush’s presidency --- and its allies invaded Afghanistan on October 7, 2001 as part of Washington’s so-called war on terror.

http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13961123000909


Report: Taliban Invites Rand Paul to Talk: ‘We’ll Prove’ U.S. Withdrawal ‘Will Bring Peace’
by EDWIN MORA 12 Feb 2018

Taliban terrorists have invited Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) to their political office in Qatar to discuss peace plans to bring the nearly 17-year-old war in Afghanistan to a conclusion.

The invitation, reportedly posted on the jihadist group’s social media accounts, came in response to Sen. Paul’s recent comments about the conflict, notes the Washington Times.

“We invite the respectable [U.S. Senator Rand Paul], in his official capacity to visit our political office in Doha for mutual talks,” the Taliban wrote on Twitter under the moniker of the “Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan."

more: http://www.breitbart.com/national-se...l-bring-peace/ (http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/02/12/afghan-taliban-invites-rand-paul-prove-u-s-troop-withdrawal-will-bring-peace/)




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[acptulsa]

It sounds like a good idea...

Yeah, sure it does. Let's go talk to the terrorists the CIA set up and Bush entertained before they were demonized in the mainstream media, and which the American public thinks is a homegrown enemy, and see if they don't help the mainstream media destroy our political career for doing it.

In short, let's walk into an obvious CIA trap.

Hell of an idea. Just brilliant.

[Swordsmyth]

Yeah, sure it does. Let's go talk to the terrorists the CIA set up and Bush entertained before they were demonized in he mainstream media, and which the American public thinks is a homegrown enemy, and see if they don't help the mainstream media destroy our political career for doing it.

Hell of an idea.

Yeah, it's SOOOO much better of an idea to refuse to negotiate a peace deal with the power most likely to control Afghanistan when we leave or are driven out, then we can stay there until further notice and lose more servicemen while killing more locals, why oh why didn't I think of that?

[acptulsa]

Yeah, it's SOOOO much better of an idea to refuse to negotiate a peace deal with the power most likely to control Afghanistan when we leave or are driven out, then we can stay there until further notice and lose more servicemen while killing more locals, why oh why didn't I think of that?

Yeah, because a group with ties to the CIA offering to seriously talk peace with one of 535 members of a legislative body which never even declared war on the country in question is obviously a serious offer.

[goldenequity]

Taliban invites Rand Paul to peace talks
http://archive.is/glrJo
https://truepundit.com/taliban-invites-rand-paul-peace-talks/


The Taliban is extending an invitation to Sen. Rand Paul, Kentucky Republican, to their political office in Doha, to discuss possible peace plans to end the 17-year Afghan war.
The invitation, proposed on the terror group’s social media accounts under the moniker of the “Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan,” was extended in response to Mr. Paul’s recent comments on the status of the war.
“We invite the respectable U.S. Senator Rand Paul, in his official capacity to visit our political office in Doha for mutual talks,” the Twitter post by the Information Committee of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan read.
“We’ll prove to Mr. Rand Paul, the immediate US withdrawal from [Afghanistan] will bring peace to our country & will enhance international security,” the group added in the social media post.



3 days ago...
►Russia is recently offering an 'open ended' invitation to both parties
to host peace talks between Afghanistan and the Taliban.

If McCain and Graham can waltz over and chat with 'rebels' anytime they feel like it...
then certainly Rand could step up and 'float' possibilities.
If you're going to run as the 'peace' candidate... you have to take advantage of opportunities when they come at you.
I wouldn't dismiss this out of hand... I would 'massage' it and USE it to gain 'face time' in the media.

[acptulsa]

Collins beat you to it. If you had checked the wrong subforum, instead of just looking here in the right subforum, you'd have seen it.

Indeed, if you had just posted an irritating naked link, instead of being courteous enough to excerpt it for us, you might have beaten him to the punch.

Thank you. Good job.

[r3volution 3.0]

Skepticism is certainly warranted, but it could be a serious offer.

Senators have been known to go overseas and do this kind of thing (generally for more bomby purposes, but it could go the other way).

I don't know, something for Rand to give some serious thought.

[pcosmar]

Yeah, because a group with ties to the CIA offering to seriously talk peace with one of 535 members of a legislative body which never even declared war on the country in question is obviously a serious offer.

Wait. What?
I am pretty sure any CIA contact is of the adversarial variety.

Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (Taliban for propaganda purposes). The only legitimate governmental authority.

The legitimate Government since they overthrew the Russian Puppet Government and liberated their country.
The Legitimate Government when negotiations were ongoing after 911.. until we invaded and ran amok for all these years.

Yes,, Let Rand negotiate a peaceful end to this stupid $hit.

[nikcers]

Yeah, because a group with ties to the CIA offering to seriously talk peace with one of 535 members of a legislative body which never even declared war on the country in question is obviously a serious offer.
Its not like the Taliban is reaching out to Rand Paul directly. I think Rand Paul would be best off writing an op-ed to the American people- but not to talk to foreigners on behalf of the American people unless we ask him to. America can't have peace talks with Afghanistan if we can't even declare war and have an honest debate in congress.

[Brian4Liberty]

Yeah, sure it does. Let's go talk to the terrorists the CIA set up and Bush entertained before they were demonized in the mainstream media, and which the American public thinks is a homegrown enemy, and see if they don't help the mainstream media destroy our political career for doing it.

In short, let's walk into an obvious CIA trap.

Hell of an idea. Just brilliant.

No matter how you look at it, too much risk. No way for Rand to safely go there. Maybe in another place Rand could take part in a peace process as a Senate representative.

[r3volution 3.0]

Its not like the Taliban is reaching out to Rand Paul directly. I think Rand Paul would be best off writing an op-ed to the American people- but not to talk to foreigners on behalf of the American people unless we ask him to. America can't have peace talks with Afghanistan if we can't even declare war and have an honest debate in congress.

That would be a good response, and then see what happens.

[r3volution 3.0]

No matter how you look at it, too much risk. No way for Rand to safely go there. Maybe in another place Rand could take part in a peace process as a Senate representative.

Qatar? He could go there safely. It's not Kabul.

[Brian4Liberty]

Qatar? He could go there safely. It's not Kabul.

Ah... Missed that. Thought they wanted him to go to their territory.

[nikcers]

Qatar? He could go there safely. It's not Kabul.
I think Rand could possibly Troll Trump by rallying Trump's supporters for a cause they support like he has been. The MSM is already trying to get rid of that tool, they don't even want to pretend like he is a conservative anymore, the new narrative is he is to the left of Hillary. He might be all out of ammo in that strategy and have to go full opposition.

[timosman]

No matter how you look at it, too much risk. No way for Rand to safely go there. Maybe in another place Rand could take part in a peace process as a Senate representative.

This, plus being invited gives him enough street cred already.

[r3volution 3.0]

Ah... Missed that. Thought they wanted him to go to their territory.

That would certainly be a bad idea!


I think Rand could possibly Troll Trump by rallying Trump's supporters for a cause they support like he has been. The MSM is already trying to get rid of that tool, they don't even want to pretend like he is a conservative anymore, the new narrative is he is to the left of Hillary. He might be all out of ammo in that strategy and have to go full opposition.

Agreed, I think this recent budget business was a turning point.

If this is a real offer, it could be a golden opportunity. That war's got to end sometime, and who better to end it?

[nikcers]

This, plus being invited gives him enough street cred already.
If I were Rand I would say: to the seven countries we are at war with but can't declare it, I would love to declare peace but I don't think we can do that until we first acknowledge we are at war and have an honest debate about it.

[acptulsa]

If this is a real offer, it could be a golden opportunity.

If it's not, it could end his career.

For that matter, if it's a real offer, it could still end his career. And if it's not, it might still be a golden opportunity, if he plays it right.

I still can't get past seeing the old photos of the Taliban in Bush's living room, having a nice little visit. Yeah, the Bushes are ostensibly oil men, and liable to try to network with anyone. But they still smell of CIA to me.

I'm coming around to the view that this is too significant to just ignore. But Rand Paul had better cover his ass ten ways from Sunday--physically, politically, publicity-wise, philosophically and everything else-ly. You can't barbeque the beef if you don't play with fire, but it's still a mighty good way to get burned.

[r3volution 3.0]

If it's not, it could end his career.

For that matter, if it's a real offer, it could still end his career. And if it's not, it might still be a golden opportunity, if he plays it right.

I still can't get past seeing the old photos of the Taliban in Bush's living room, having a nice little visit. Yeah, the Bushes are ostensibly oil men, and liable to try to network with anyone. But they still smell of CIA to me.

I'm coming around to the view that this is too significant to just ignore. But Rand Paul had better cover his ass ten ways from Sunday--physically, politically, publicity-wise, philosophically and everything else-ly. You can't barbeque the beef if you don't play with fire, but it's a mighty good way to get burned.

It's reminiscent of the French experience in the Algerian war, which made and ruined a number of careers.

If Rand's going to do anything more than write an op-ed about this, he needs some expert advice.

He knows what needs to be done in the big picture, but I doubt he knows the details of Afghan rebel politics on a day to day basis.

It's too bad that Michael Scheuer went off the deep end.

[acptulsa]

It's reminiscent of the French experience in the Algerian war, which made and ruined a number of careers.

If Rand's going to do anything more than write an op-ed about this, he needs some expert advice.

He knows what needs to be done in the big picture, but I doubt he knows the details of Afghan rebel politics on a day to day basis.

It's too bad that Michael Scheuer went off the deep end.

I can't help but feel it's a fool's errand. The U.S. government is highly unlikely to agree to any just settlement, and the U.S. media is highly unlikely to allow him to tell the people of this nation what went wrong when the talks fail. Where's his advantage in that?

If he could count on his father's legions to spread the truth of what went down, if he could communicate with us and we could shame the media for lying about it as we did when the media tried to make Ron into He Who Must Not Be Named, it would be a very worthwhile thing. The Court of Public Opinion is going to have to be a major player in this thing, if it is to amount to something.

Can he count on us? Are we still legion enough to have his back?

The government has no interest in peace. None. Zilch Nada. If the Taliban aren't just a CIA front, and they're serious about this, then Rand Paul is an excellent choice. And the reason he is, is us. We know Rand, we know he has character. We can vouch for him, we are experienced in shaming the media into telling the truth even when it doesn't behoove them to do so. We know how to make ourselves heard. We can help explain what their offers would mean for We, the People.

If he can't count on us, he might as well not go. He'd probably be wiser not to. But if he can count on us, this could be a major victory for the common citizens of the United States.


https://youtube.com/watch?v=oGIFublvDes

[r3volution 3.0]

*this would be a good time for Rand to break out some of that Senatorial office budget that he usually returns to the Treasury and hire somebody who speaks Pashtun and knows everything there is know about the Taliban (who's in charge right now, who's married to whose sister, etc)

[timosman]

We should send Dennis Rodman.

[r3volution 3.0]

I can't help but feel it's a fool's errand. The U.S. government is highly unlikely to agree to any just settlement, and the U.S. media is highly unlikely to allow him to tell the people of this nation what went wrong when the talks fail. Where's his advantage in that?

If he could count on his father's legions to spread the truth of what went down, if he could communicate with us and we could shame the media for lying about it as we did when the media tried to make Ron into He Who Must Not Be Named, it would be a very worthwhile thing. The Court of Public Opinion is going to have to be a major player in this thing, if it is to amount to something.

Can he count on us? Are we still legion enough to have his back?

I don't know. I hope so.

Is there much to lose at this point?

...as for Rand, he won't be up for re-election till 2022, so we needn't worry about that.

[Matt Collins]

Arent there photos of McCain, Graham, and Liberman with terrorists?

[goldenequity]

another of goldenequity's krazee ideas...

1. I am utterly SICK of the 'unelected' representing us.. otherwise known as the State Department.
2. Form a 'coalition' as 'The People's Representative' to enjoin the 'multi-polar' effort at bringing PEACE to Afghanistan.
3. The 'coalition' of maybe 6 ELECTED representatives form the 'Peace team' ahead of the Russian sponsored Peace talks.
4. Go under 'observer status'.. get on the phone with Lavrov and quietly build the concept.
5. Announce the coalition.
6. Go and represent the People and report back directly to THEM.

[nikcers]

I can't help but feel it's a fool's errand. The U.S. government is highly unlikely to agree to any just settlement, and the U.S. media is highly unlikely to allow him to tell the people of this nation what went wrong when the talks fail. Where's his advantage in that?

If he could count on his father's legions to spread the truth of what went down, if he could communicate with us and we could shame the media for lying about it as we did when the media tried to make Ron into He Who Must Not Be Named, it would be a very worthwhile thing. The Court of Public Opinion is going to have to be a major player in this thing, if it is to amount to something.

Can he count on us? Are we still legion enough to have his back?
He needs more then us, he has already spoken for us, the government doesn't care what the American people think. We need international support, we need to make this bigger, we can't be censored. Rand needs the whole world to hear him.

[r3volution 3.0]

He needs more then us, he has already spoken for us, the government doesn't care what the American people think. We need international support, we need to make this bigger, we can't be censored. Rand needs the whole world to hear him.

Most of the world is sick to death of this war: both Russia (been there done that) and China, for instance.

Europe isn't too keen on it either. The three Polish soldiers in Kabul want to go home.

[nikcers]

Most of the world is sick to death of this war: both Russia (been there done that) and China, for instance.

Europe isn't too keen on it either. The three Polish soldiers in Kabul want to go home.

What about the ones who have no voice, the dead, the wounded, the homeless veterans? They don't really get a choice on American foreign policy. I don't think it's entirely unfair to speak for the ones who can't speak for themselves especially when they clearly can't define their argument for their occupation you really don't have to take the high road here.

[r3volution 3.0]

What about the ones who have no voice, the dead, the wounded, the homeless veterans? They don't really get a choice on American foreign policy. I don't think it's entirely unfair to speak for the ones who can't speak for themselves especially when they clearly can't define their argument for their occupation you really don't have to take the high road here.

Sure, no disagreement there.

I'm just saying that if you want an international coalition to end the Afghan war, the other major players on the world stage would be ready IMO.

Russia and China may have looked fondly (esp. Russia) on us wasting our resources there for a time, but now it's creating monsters in their backyards, when they each already have problems with Islamist terrorism; not to mention that if the US ever somehow managed to "win," neither Russia nor China would be pleased with US military bases deep in central Asia.

It would really be in everyone's interest to end this war (save perhaps Raytheon shareholders and the Miss Linzis of the world).

[nikcers]

Sure, no disagreement there.

I'm just saying that if you want an international coalition to end the Afghan war, the other major players on the world stage would be ready IMO.

Russia and China may have looked fondly (esp. Russia) on us wasting our resources there for a time, but now it's creating monsters in their backyards, when they each already have problems with Islamist terrorism; not to mention that if the US ever somehow managed to "win," neither Russia nor China would be pleased with US military bases deep in central Asia.

It would really be in everyone's interest to end this war (save perhaps Raytheon shareholders and the Miss Linzis of the world).

What about all the infrastructure that gets rebuilt, I am sure they have lots of interest. Plus the people collecting interest..

https://i.imgur.com/LiT7TQD.jpg

[Swordsmyth]

If it's not, it could end his career.

For that matter, if it's a real offer, it could still end his career. And if it's not, it might still be a golden opportunity, if he plays it right.

I still can't get past seeing the old photos of the Taliban in Bush's living room, having a nice little visit. Yeah, the Bushes are ostensibly oil men, and liable to try to network with anyone. But they still smell of CIA to me.

I'm coming around to the view that this is too significant to just ignore. But Rand Paul had better cover his ass ten ways from Sunday--physically, politically, publicity-wise, philosophically and everything else-ly. You can't barbeque the beef if you don't play with fire, but it's still a mighty good way to get burned.

So next time think a little more before just opposing something because I said it.

If he gets the sitting president's approval and covers himself as you said this could set him up with great publicity for 2020 or 2024, if DJTvsg refuses to cooperate it will make a great campaign issue for 2020 or 2024.

[EBounding]

Oh this is real? I thought it was the title of a snarky Op-Ed.

I don't think he should do it based on the limited knowledge I have--he'll just be painted as consorting with terr-rists and it'll end his political career early. But I trust he'll make the right decision.

[acptulsa]

So next time think a little more before just opposing something because I said it.

If he gets the sitting president's approval and covers himself as you said this could set him up with great publicity for 2020 or 2024, if DJTvsg refuses to cooperate it will make a great campaign issue for 2020 or 2024.

Are you putting words in my mouth again? Prepared to eat them?

You said...


It sounds like a good idea if he can either get DJTvsg's cooperation or if he runs and wins in 2020.

First, I don't believe the Taliban are interested in waiting two years and nine months. Second, I don't believe for a second, and don't know why you would believe, that Donald J. Trump values selling guns will cooperate. Clearly if the Taliban thought for a second that Donald J. Trump values selling guns' State Department was even capable of achieving peace, they wouldn't be needing Rand Paul. The idea that Rand Paul would go crawling to Donald J. Trump values selling guns to cover his ass is just stupid, because that will never happen. Waiting until Donald J. Trump values selling guns gets his fat ass reelected so it no longer matters if Rand embarrasses him, while American servicefolk and little brown children continue to get injured and dead, is even more stupid.

As for getting the American people invested in the peace talks, and covering Rand Paul that way, you didn't say anything of the sort, or there's a chance I might not have dismissed what you said at first blush. You simply said Paul should go to Donald J. Trump values selling guns to cover his ass, which is an amazingly stupid plan on the face of it.

As for you belatedly saying this could net Rand Paul gains for 2020, that's quite a flipflop from your original statement, in which you said letting people continue to die and get maimed in Afghanistan for over two and a half years while we all wait for Donald J. Trump values selling guns to get his fat ass reelected before sounding the starting gun was a viable option. Isn't it?

Got any more words you want to eat? If so, please proceed to stick them in my mouth also, and pretend like I said them too. Go ahead!

[SneakyFrenchSpy]

On the upside, if this somehow worked and peace broke out in that region thanks to Rand, he'd be a shoe-in for a Nobel Prize. A real earned award for actual peace, unlike the sham that Obama got years ago.

[Valli6]

Oh this is real? I thought it was the title of a snarky Op-Ed.

I don't think he should do it based on the limited knowledge I have--he'll just be painted as consorting with terr-rists and it'll end his political career early. But I trust he'll make the right decision.
Yep. I wouldn't want Rand to try this, because even if it were real and he could be kept safe - people connected to our own government would be happy to see his plane crash, or might pay some "rebels" to kidnap him. The story seems to be based entirely on one twitter post from who-really-knows-who, so it's not real credible. Seems more like a planted story, which neocons would like to be able to bring up later, when Rand is arguing against being in Afghanistan.

Can't ya just hear Lindsey Graham and McCain already?
"Oh! Rand is BFF with the taliban! Rand wants us to "take marching orders" from the taliban! Rand is colluding with the taliban! We found some questionable emails and must have investigations! Rand must be questioned by the FBI! Rand is traitor to our great democracy!!! Rand Paul must resign!!!...

[acptulsa]

Can't ya just hear Lindsey Graham and McCain already?

Absolutely. If Rand Paul can't count on us--and I think 2016 proved he cannot--then this is nothing but a trap. Peace is treason in this Empire of Lies.

[nikcers]

Yep. I wouldn't want Rand to try this, because even if it were real and he could be kept safe - people connected to our own government would be happy to see his plane crash, or might pay some "rebels" to kidnap him. The story seems to be based entirely on one twitter post from who-really-knows-who, so it's not real credible. Seems more like a planted story, which neocons would like to be able to bring up later, when Rand is arguing against being in Afghanistan.

Can't ya just hear Lindsey Graham and McCain already?

Lindsey Graham and McCain would be the worst ones to judge him- they actually have pictures of them with ISIS.

[EBounding]

Lindsey Graham and McCain would be the worst ones to judge him- they actually have pictures of them with ISIS.

Yeah but they're pro-war which equals pro-America. Plebs such as us cannot comprehend these complex foreign policy issues which is why we leave it to brilliant minds like McCain.

[Valli6]

Lindsey Graham and McCain would be the worst ones to judge him- they actually have pictures of them with ISIS.
True, but the media always covers for the neocons. When it comes to the Pauls, they go way out of their way to twist and lie, so the public will believe they are evil.

[nikcers]

True, but the media always covers for the neocons. When it comes to the Pauls, they go way out of their way to twist and lie, so the public will believe they are evil.

Oh so FISA warrant and swat team raids

[Swordsmyth]

Are you putting words in my mouth again? Prepared to eat them?

You said...



First, I don't believe the Taliban are interested in waiting two years and nine months. Second, I don't believe for a second, and don't know why you would believe, that Donald J. Trump values selling guns will cooperate. Clearly if the Taliban thought for a second that Donald J. Trump values selling guns' State Department was even capable of achieving peace, they wouldn't be needing Rand Paul. The idea that Rand Paul would go crawling to Donald J. Trump values selling guns to cover his ass is just stupid, because that will never happen. Waiting until Donald J. Trump values selling guns gets his fat ass reelected so it no longer matters if Rand embarrasses him, while American servicefolk and little brown children continue to get injured and dead, is even more stupid.

As for getting the American people invested in the peace talks, and covering Rand Paul that way, you didn't say anything of the sort, or there's a chance I might not have dismissed what you said at first blush. You simply said Paul should go to Donald J. Trump values selling guns to cover his ass, which is an amazingly stupid plan on the face of it.

As for you belatedly saying this could net Rand Paul gains for 2020, that's quite a flipflop from your original statement, in which you said letting people continue to die and get maimed in Afghanistan for over two and a half years while we all wait for Donald J. Trump values selling guns to get his fat ass reelected before sounding the starting gun was a viable option. Isn't it?

Got any more words you want to eat? If so, please proceed to stick them in my mouth also, and pretend like I said them too. Go ahead!

Here is how the conversation went:




It sounds like a good idea if he can either get DJTvsg's cooperation or if he runs and wins in 2020.


Yeah, sure it does. Let's go talk to the terrorists the CIA set up and Bush entertained before they were demonized in the mainstream media, and which the American public thinks is a homegrown enemy, and see if they don't help the mainstream media destroy our political career for doing it.

In short, let's walk into an obvious CIA trap.

Hell of an idea. Just brilliant.


Yeah, it's SOOOO much better of an idea to refuse to negotiate a peace deal with the power most likely to control Afghanistan when we leave or are driven out, then we can stay there until further notice and lose more servicemen while killing more locals, why oh why didn't I think of that?


Yeah, because a group with ties to the CIA offering to seriously talk peace with one of 535 members of a legislative body which never even declared war on the country in question is obviously a serious offer.

You were against the whole idea until you actually took some time to think instead of just rejecting my position.
You are the one who emphasized that Rand would have to cover himself politically, well unless or until he is president in 2020 or 2024 he MUST get DJTvsg's permission to engage in any such talks, if he didn't get the sitting president's permission he would be labeled a "traitor" who was "conspiring with our enemies".
If Trump won't sanction the talks the only thing Rand can do is use that as a campaign issue in 2020 or 2024, and the Taliban will be quite happy to talk us into leaving their country any time we are willing.

[Valli6]

Oh so FISA warrant and swat team raids
Yeah, and since you brought it up, at least one of Ron Paul's former campaign guys was raided, and others arrested, when everyone knew that Rand Paul would be running for the nomination. The hearings were held off till campaign time.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?502042-Blumenthal-email-to-B-Clinton-about-Rand-Paul-from-2010&p=6585856#post6585856

[nikcers]

Yeah, and since you brought it up, at least one of Ron Paul's former campaign guys was raided, and others arrested, when everyone knew that Rand Paul would be running for the nomination. The hearings were held off till campaign time.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?502042-Blumenthal-email-to-B-Clinton-about-Rand-Paul-from-2010&p=6585856#post6585856
Rand said in an interview in 2016 that he had been tapped by the Obama administration as well.

[r3volution 3.0]

Yep. I wouldn't want Rand to try this, because even if it were real and he could be kept safe - people connected to our own government would be happy to see his plane crash, or might pay some "rebels" to kidnap him. The story seems to be based entirely on one twitter post from who-really-knows-who, so it's not real credible. Seems more like a planted story, which neocons would like to be able to bring up later, when Rand is arguing against being in Afghanistan.

Can't ya just hear Lindsey Graham and McCain already?

Yea, but they can and will do that kind of thing anytime Rand tries to do anything on foreign policy.

...e.g. the "general Paul" comments from Miss Linzi which precipitated this whole thing.

I don't know that pursuing this really gives them any more ammunition (once you jump in the pool, you can't get more wet).

[William Tell]

3points.

1, talking to the Taliban would get Rand bad press.

2, Rand already wants the war to end.

3, Rand does not have the authority to end it.

I see no upside to this.

[acptulsa]

3points.

1, talking to the Taliban would get Rand bad press.

2, Rand already wants the war to end.

3, Rand does not have the authority to end it.

I see no upside to this.

In B4 Swordsmyth tells you you're in favor of it.

[Swordsmyth]

In B4 Swordsmyth tells you you're in favor of it.


If it's not, it could end his career.

For that matter, if it's a real offer, it could still end his career. And if it's not, it might still be a golden opportunity, if he plays it right.

I still can't get past seeing the old photos of the Taliban in Bush's living room, having a nice little visit. Yeah, the Bushes are ostensibly oil men, and liable to try to network with anyone. But they still smell of CIA to me.

I'm coming around to the view that this is too significant to just ignore. But Rand Paul had better cover his ass ten ways from Sunday--physically, politically, publicity-wise, philosophically and everything else-ly. You can't barbeque the beef if you don't play with fire, but it's still a mighty good way to get burned.


I can't help but feel it's a fool's errand. The U.S. government is highly unlikely to agree to any just settlement, and the U.S. media is highly unlikely to allow him to tell the people of this nation what went wrong when the talks fail. Where's his advantage in that?

If he could count on his father's legions to spread the truth of what went down, if he could communicate with us and we could shame the media for lying about it as we did when the media tried to make Ron into He Who Must Not Be Named, it would be a very worthwhile thing. The Court of Public Opinion is going to have to be a major player in this thing, if it is to amount to something.

Can he count on us? Are we still legion enough to have his back?

The government has no interest in peace. None. Zilch Nada. If the Taliban aren't just a CIA front, and they're serious about this, then Rand Paul is an excellent choice. And the reason he is, is us. We know Rand, we know he has character. We can vouch for him, we are experienced in shaming the media into telling the truth even when it doesn't behoove them to do so. We know how to make ourselves heard. We can help explain what their offers would mean for We, the People.

If he can't count on us, he might as well not go. He'd probably be wiser not to. But if he can count on us, this could be a major victory for the common citizens of the United States.



If you changed your mind again it isn't my fault.