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timosman
02-11-2018, 12:45 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/want-stop-america-s-slide-toward-authoritarianism-give-all-immigrants-ncna846566


by Noah Berlatsky / Feb.10.2018

Immigrants don't threaten democracy unless we choose to exclude them from democracy.

Since the rise of Donald Trump, many pundits have argued that immigration undermines American democracy and American unity. In a recent controversial column at the New York Times, for example, Ross Douthat suggested that restricting immigration is reasonable given the fact that "increased diversity and the distrust it sows have clearly put stresses on our politics."

Along the same lines, social psychologist Jonathan Haidt, during Trump's campaign in 2016, declared that "those who dismiss anti-immigrant sentiment as mere racism have missed several important aspects of moral psychology related to the general human need to live in a stable and coherent moral order." Immigrants, Haidt and Douthat argue, are heterogenous, troubling and, from the perspective of plenty of white Americans, destabilizing. As such they must be controlled, excluded, or rejected.

It's true that immigration as an issue has poisoned political discussion in the last several years, and that it also helped fueled Trump's rise to power. Currently, the question of what to do with the undocumented immigrants first brought to the United States as children and now known as Dreamers remains a painful pressure point in Congress. But the debate raging over immigration isn’t really about the immigrants themselves. Disempowered and marginalized, even high achieving immigrants are unable to defend themselves in the face of authoritarian demagoguery. Foreign-born people are more than 13% of the US population; a little more than half of those are non-citizens. That means that there are many millions of non-citizens living in the US without a voice in government.

Disempowering millions of people undermines democracy, and creates an opening for hate-mongers and authoritarians. The solution is not to deport immigrants, or close the borders. The solution is to give all immigrants — including non-citizens — the right to vote.

Giving immigrants the vote sounds radical and implausible. But in fact, though, there is a long tradition of immigrant voting rights in the United States, according to Ron Hayduk, a political science professor at San Francisco State and the author of "Democracy for All: Restoring Immigrant Voting Rights in the United States." Between 1776 and 1926, Hayduk's research shows, up to 40 states permitted immigrants to vote in local, state and federal elections. The practice was discontinued because of growing prejudice and anti-immigrant sentiment in the early 20th century — a time that historian Rayford Logan has referred to as the nadir of race relations in the United States.

New York City restored immigrants' right to vote in school board elections in 1968, though that practice ended in 2002. Maryland is the state in which immigrant voting is most widely allowed; a number of small cities and towns allow non-citizen residents, including undocumented immigrants, to vote in local elections.

The argument for allowing immigrants to vote is based in the earliest American arguments for democracy, Hayduk told me. "The revolutionary cry was 'no taxation without representation.' And even if you're undocumented, you can't get away without paying taxes. The basic idea of democracy is that governments should be accountable to the people and the way you make it accountable to the people is that you give them the capacity to vote."

Hayduk notes that immigrant voting provides other benefits as well. When immigrants can vote in school board elections, for example, they are more involved in the school. Children are more successful when parents participate in their education, and successful children provide both a short and long-term benefit to communities.

But perhaps even more importantly, democracies in which large numbers of people are disenfranchised can quickly cease to be democracies. The American South during the Antebellum period was not a democracy, but a vast gulag, in which millions of people were enslaved and tortured at will. In order to enforce this, Southern legislators passed sweeping laws to restrict the publication or dissemination of abolitionist literature, while abolitionist leaders were subjected to mob attacks. African America slaves, of course, were regarded as property and not granted any right to representation or enfranchisement.

The link between President Donald Trump's hatred of immigrants and his authoritarianism is anything but subtle. One of his central campaign promises was to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border — promoting a vision of the U.S. as a walled fortress. Under Trump's administration, the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency (ICE) has become an arbitrary, totalitarian police force. ICE has staked out hospitals and schools in order to incarcerate and deport people seeking medical care, or trying to provide their children with an education.

A police force with no accountability to the people it targets is a danger not just to the people who are arrested, but to the notion of democracy itself. Similarly, Trump has repeatedly used stigma against immigrants to undermine the rule of law, insulated from repercussions by the knowledge that many of those he insulted have little to no political recourse. Every Latino living in America is more easily stigmatized when the vote is denied to Latino immigrants, just as democracy is threatened for everyone in the U.S. when large numbers of people are prevented from using the ballot box.

The clearest example of how immigrant disempowerment is leveraged against all voters is the current political argument surrounding alleged voter fraud. Trump brazenly lied about his popular vote loss in 2016, claiming that Hillary Clinton's margin was the result of undocumented immigrants voting in large numbers. This specter of immigrants voting illegally is used to justify voter ID laws, which disproportionately disenfranchise minorities and the poor. Taking the vote from some people thus becomes a justification for taking it from others. The disenfranchisement of immigrants justifies a system in which voting is seen as a restricted right.

On a national level, immigrant enfranchisement is not on the table now, nor is it likely to be for some time. After decades of post 9/11 race-baiting and nativism, too many Americans see immigrants as enemies rather than neighbors. Even Democratic politicians like Sen. Dianne Feinstein, fearing for their own electoral coalitions, have taken stands against immigrants voting in local elections. For that matter, anti-immigrant sentiment is such that undocumented immigrants, and even documented immigrants, would today justifiably fear showing up at polling places.

But it's still important to see immigrant voting as a goal, even if it's a distant one. Otherwise, people like Douthat, Haidt and Trump will continue to blame immigrants for the erosion of American democracy.

The truth of course is that immigrants have been coming to the United States as long as there has been a United States. They don't threaten democracy unless we choose to exclude them from democracy. It's true that hatred and disenfranchisement breed authoritarianism. But it isn't immigrants’ fault that the United States is drifting towards fascism. It's our fault for not empowering them to vote out the politicians who hate them.

devil21
02-11-2018, 12:54 PM
The problem with that thesis is that many of them come from much more outwardly authoritarian countries so it's not a stretch for them to embrace authoritarianism here.

nikcers
02-11-2018, 12:57 PM
The problem with that thesis is that many of them come from much more outwardly authoritarian countries so it's not a stretch for them to embrace authoritarianism here.
What is the native population's excuse for embracing authoritarianism here?

seapilot
02-11-2018, 12:59 PM
What is the native population's excuse for embracing authoritarianism here?

They believe freedom=free stuff from .gov.

timosman
02-11-2018, 01:01 PM
What is the native population's excuse for embracing authoritarianism here?

Better salaries. Everybody knows in order to get promoted you can not rock the boat. Just look the other way.

devil21
02-11-2018, 01:03 PM
What is the native population's excuse for embracing authoritarianism here?

It's been a much softer embrace, and to mix two cliches, generally from being asleep at the wheel while the frog is boiled. People from central american countries or african countries have long been accustomed to militarized police standing on street corners with machine guns and political prisoners being the norm. I don't think there's many in the USA that "embrace" authoritarianism. There's low iq types that are easily led to support it in the short term, not seeing the long term implications. That's excluding the fact that most of the reasons for that have been fakery to various extents.

oyarde
02-11-2018, 01:16 PM
I have yet to see a valid reason to accept any more immigrants . I see no reason for non citizens to vote . I am not really even convinced that people receiving govt welfare or a tax refund of more than they paid should be voting .

fedupinmo
02-11-2018, 01:19 PM
If I had my way, anybody referring to "American democracy" would be stricken mute and have therir fingers broken.

Swordsmyth
02-11-2018, 01:53 PM
If you want America to turn into a socialist hellhole like the rest of the world this is a great plan.:mad:

KrokHead
02-11-2018, 04:27 PM
Authoritarianism in the US is more 'invisible' while overseas it is rather overt.

Remember we still have generations of people remembering that "We are the freest society in the world" due to what they learned in Elementary School. So, more effort is put forth in creating a visage of democracy.

The Millenials and what's next are nothing less than fucking idiots, and are doing a good job tolerating a mainstream media that's as fucking crazy as infowars.

Overt Totalitarianism will be the norm inevitably, people fear losing the welfare state too much and there is no more art of subtlety with the internet.

kahless
02-11-2018, 05:53 PM
"Want to stop America's slide toward authoritarianism? Give all immigrants the right to vote"

This author Noah Berlatsky, sounds like a master troll or far left loon.



Is the First Amendment too broad? The case for regulating hate speech in America
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/first-amendment-too-broad-case-regulating-hate-speech-america-ncna832246


Yep.

Raginfridus
02-11-2018, 06:05 PM
If I had my way, anybody referring to "American democracy" would be stricken mute and have therir fingers broken.
Yet that's exactly what we've got. This is no republic.

Find me a more totalitarian government than democracy. There isn't one. The 50+1 love regulations, they love beating the other side in bullshitting contests.

phill4paul
02-11-2018, 06:14 PM
How about a new amendment to solve this entire problem?

- Every immigrant shall be sponsored by an citizen host.

- That host shall not be on any public assistance.

- That host shall agree to take on all liabilities of his sponsorship of said immigrant as if the immigrant were there own self until such time as the immigrant attains citizenship.

Raginfridus
02-11-2018, 06:28 PM
The word ‘Democracy’ is one that I have only very rarely, and with great reluctance, employed. I do not know what it is and I have never yet met anyone who could explain its meaning to me in terms that I am capable of understanding. But I fear that Hitler’s assertion—that his ideological concept was the Democratic concept—will prove a hard one to refute. The enlightenment of the world from a single, central position, the winning of mass support through convincing arguments, the legitimate road to power by way of the ballot-box, the legitimisation by the people itself of power achieved—I fear it is hard to deny that these are Democratic stigmata, revelatory perhaps of Democracy in a decadent and feverish form, but Democratic none the less. I further fear that the contrary assertion—that the totalitarian system as set up by Hitler was not Democratic—will prove a hard one to justify. The totalitarian state is the exact opposite of the authoritarian state, which latter, of course, bears no Democratic stigmata but hierarchical ones instead. Some people seem to believe that forms of government are estimable in accordance with their Progressive development; since totalitarianism is certainly more modern than the authoritarian state system, they must logically give Hitler the advantage in the political field....

Marenco
02-11-2018, 06:43 PM
Authoritarianism in the US is more 'invisible' while overseas it is rather overt.


And that's how this system that we have is much more effective and longer lasting than outright dictartorships like Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, Mao etc...

http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-lenin-was-certainly-right-there-is-no-subtler-no-surer-means-of-overturning-the-existing-basis-of-john-maynard-keynes-307415.jpg

fedupinmo
02-11-2018, 07:11 PM
Yet that's exactly what we've got. This is no republic.

Find me a more totalitarian government than democracy. There isn't one. The 50+1 love regulations, they love beating the other side in bullshitting contests.

And the reason it is so is because every day the drum is beaten for democracy. If the same effort was expended to remind people that this is a republic of law, maybe some would know things are going wrong. ;)

nobody's_hero
02-11-2018, 07:17 PM
Hmm. It's interesting they used school board elections as a barometer for 'involvement in your child's education.'

In my opinion, voting in school board elections is more like trying to figure out who you want to deal with your child's education because you can't be bothered with it.

Raginfridus
02-11-2018, 07:24 PM
And the reason it is so is because every day the drum is beaten for democracy. If the same effort was expended to remind people that this is a republic of law, maybe some would know things are going wrong. ;)
Senators have been popularly elected since 1912. We haven't had a republic in 100 years.

Ender
02-11-2018, 08:02 PM
Senators have been popularly elected since 1912. We haven't had a republic in 100 years.

Actually the Republic was pretty much dissolved by Lincoln.

devil21
02-11-2018, 08:41 PM
Hmm. It's interesting they used school board elections as a barometer for 'involvement in your child's education.'

In my opinion, voting in school board elections is more like trying to figure out who you want to deal with your child's education because you can't be bothered with it.

Remember this? It's what passes for School Boards these days.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEQmUnisDEM

The overt authoritarianism is on display, if you know where to look.

devil21
02-12-2018, 04:55 AM
Better salaries. Everybody knows in order to get promoted you can not rock the boat. Just look the other way.

When everyone is on the same side of the boat in rough seas what happens? The boat will capcize.

Cleaner44
02-12-2018, 08:37 AM
What is the native population's excuse for embracing authoritarianism here?

Most people have fear of freedom and uncertainty. They crave a strong leader telling them what they want to hear.

timosman
01-29-2020, 04:52 PM
Most people have fear of freedom and uncertainty. They crave a strong leader telling them what they want to hear.

Just give me something I can openly agree with and then go home and not give a fuck about. A growth mindset anyone? :tears: