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goldenequity
02-06-2018, 12:45 AM
Yep.
In 2013... They PAID him w/ FBI money to be an informant and pose as an American business man to entrap a Russian target in a 'sting' operation.
Then
In 2016... They simply 'flipped' their story 180 degrees and claimed (flat out LIED) to FISA that he was a 'spy' because he was working w/ a Russian operative.
(w/o telling him... so they could USE him under a Title I to 'legally/secretly' surveil ANYONE he then talked to/had contact with: aka 'Team Trump')
Get it?

That is SO Andy McCabe. It's what he DOES. Entrap then Compromise people then USE them or take their shiit then threaten them or kill them.
(it REALLY works well with Senators & Congressmen & Corporate CEOs too.)

The full story is here:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/05/in-march-2016-carter-page-was-an-fbi-employee-in-october-2016-fbi-told-fisa-court-hes-a-spy/#more-145498

Swordsmyth
02-06-2018, 12:53 AM
Yep.
In 2013... They PAID him w/ FBI money to be an informant and pose as an American business man to entrap a Russian target in a 'sting' operation.
Then
In 2016... They simply 'flipped' their story 180 degrees and claimed (flat out LIED) to FISA that he was a 'spy' because he was working w/ a Russian.
(w/o telling him... so they could USE him under a Title I to 'legally' surveil ANYONE he then talked to/had contact with: aka 'Team Trump')
Get it?
That is SO Andy McCabe. It's what he DOES.

The full story is here:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/05/in-march-2016-carter-page-was-an-fbi-employee-in-october-2016-fbi-told-fisa-court-hes-a-spy/#more-145498

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goldenequity
02-06-2018, 01:26 AM
Here's what POTUS should do:
A Limited Time Offer: Any Senator or Congressman or Judge has the next 48 hours under full amnesty from federal prosecution
to come forward and disclose if they are a current target of blackmail or compromise scheme run by ANY federal agency or program.
48 hours to claim 'sanctuary' as a 'victim'.
After that...
we're coming after you AND your 'handlers'.
The clock starts now....

timosman
02-06-2018, 01:29 AM
Here's what POTUS should do:
A Limited Time Offer: Any Senator or Congressman or Judge has the next 48 hours under full amnesty from federal prosecution
to come forward and disclose if they are a current target of blackmail or compromise scheme run by ANY federal agency or program.
48 hours to claim 'sanctuary' as a 'victim'.
After that...
we're coming after you AND your 'handlers'.
The clock starts now....

Let me handle your dirt from now on.:cool:

goldenequity
02-06-2018, 01:35 AM
Let me handle your dirt from now on.:cool:
Yeah... they ARE Republicans after all.. I see yer point.
We need more dairy farmers and less lawyers. :)

timosman
02-06-2018, 01:38 AM
Yeah... they ARE Republicans after all.. I see yer point.
We need more dairy farmers and less lawyers. :)

Make them all pass the bar again. They are a bit too flexible with the law.:cool:

goldenequity
02-06-2018, 06:22 AM
WOW... that's all that comes to mind... just wow. Ready?


Last night...

CARTER PAGE FULL ONE-ON-ONE INTERVIEW WITH LAURA INGRAHAM (2/5/2018)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxxAhTGLELo

If the OP article is true.. (and I believe it is and backed WITH their referenced documents)

then this 'exclusive interview' last night...
came BEFORE he's (now) been busted/exposed as a hired 2013 operative. (he was 'working' the ratlines in Russia.)


In other words... he's lying his ass off in front of Laura.... and the entire Nation via FOX news
trying to 'spin' himself as an 'innocent' victim of the wiretap fraud (only) by DOWNPLAYING/DENYING his TRUE involvement
when he actually was WORKING for Andy and friends in Russia.

He's ABSOLUTELY not telling the 'whole' truth here... not even CLOSE to 'spilling his guts'.

He was thrown under the bus in the FISA application..
(or was he 'in' on the FISA fraud too? remember: they THOUGHT Hillary was going to be elected.
If she HAD been... they could have easily pulled his ass out of the fire by telling the courts they found 'nothing'
and simply not renewing the 90 cycle. Think about it.)

Notice he is sticking to the 'cover'.... that it was 'only' about politics

and NOT the RATLINES (in Russia) that he actually WAS involved in.


This is amazing to watch.

Laura, without knowing what WE now know, is doing a great job of being 'polite but skeptical'.

I purposefully have NOT posted any of the 'FOX followup/analysis' vids...
they're still WAY behind the curve on this and would only serve to 'blur' the clarity we now have.
Let's give them a week or two to catch up. ;)



Carter Page is absolutely screwed and so is the FBI.









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I'm going to put more about Carter Page on the FISA fraud thread
and not clutter this one with any 'George vids.'
God bless him.. he's STILL so far ahead of things.
He called out Carter Page as an 'insider' MONTHS ago.
I'm also out of coffee.

goldenequity
02-06-2018, 09:57 AM
Jul 7, 2016
THE LECTURE OF TRUMP’S ADVISOR CARTER PAGE IN MOSCOW


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CYF29saA9w

Description:

Carter Page is one of the youngest advisors of Donald Trump.
He is an energy and economic development expert, (uh-huh)
particularly regarding the countries of the former Soviet Union and the socialist bloc in Eastern Europe. (uh-huh)
He collaborated with the Council on Foreign Relations, where he led a research group on the Caspian Sea region. (uh-huh)

Page lived in Moscow for three years, where he was advising Gazprom. (uh-huh)
After the reunification of Crimea with Russia and the beginning of operations in Ukraine,
he was one of the few American experts who called for understanding the actions of Russia. (uh-huh)

Page came out openly against the interventionist policy of NATO, which, in his opinion, provoked Russia with its expansion.





When you're running ratlines w/ the Oligarchs it pays to know how to butter the bread. :)

goldenequity
02-06-2018, 10:05 AM
heh-heh Kudos to Sundance/ConservativeTreehouse...

Donald Trump Jr. re-tweeted the article 2 hrs ago...

960880447029940225


:)

Brian4Liberty
02-06-2018, 10:46 AM
Do the original FISA applications say that Page had been a paid asset of the FBI/CIA? If they clearly stated that and claimed that he might have been turned into a double agent, they may have covered their butts.

oyarde
02-06-2018, 11:00 AM
Everyone knows you cannot trust FBI informants . We just do not talk to them around here .

goldenequity
02-06-2018, 11:38 AM
Do the original FISA applications say that Page had been a paid asset of the FBI/CIA? If they clearly stated that and claimed that he might have been turned into a double agent, they may have covered their butts.

[edit]
After thinking about it...

That would be them claiming IN WRITING that their asset, after having been on their payrolls...
had been 'turned' by the 'Russians' into becoming an actual Russian spy..
then
having the courts grant them permission to (not 'bust' him)
but
send an 'actual Russian Spy' into the Trump campaign???

Somehow I don't think you could get all three FISA judges to go along with that.

1. We don't know what the application itself says.
2. It would be 'redacted' if 'released' and is 'classified' to protect 'means and methods'.
3. It would only allow for another 'Trey Gowdy only' type disclosure, if at all.
but
4. There may be 'court audio records' transcripts that could be accessed... Nunes/House Intelligence is trying to gain access to those currently.

and remember Carter Page is (still) claiming he had 'no knowledge' of being used as an intelligence asset.
He's lying either way...

Swordsmyth
02-06-2018, 04:39 PM
Do the original FISA applications say that Page had been a paid asset of the FBI/CIA? If they clearly stated that and claimed that he might have been turned into a double agent, they may have covered their butts.

I think they are too dumb and arrogant to have bothered with that.

goldenequity
02-06-2018, 06:31 PM
Do the original FISA applications say that Page had been a paid asset of the FBI/CIA? If they clearly stated that and claimed that he might have been turned into a double agent, they may have covered their butts.

As far as the FISA...
I'm back to the original OP in thinking Carter Page was simply 'used' to 'legitimize' the 'radioactive' surveillance they needed/wanted.
They applied to the courts for it w/o his knowledge simply because he was the perfect fit.

The fact that he had 'worked with' the FBI (and CIA) in an undercover capacity is and was self admitted
in past limited interviews on record and
included in a submittal he gave to the House Intelligence Committee.

Nobody had ever 'focused' on it before... including Laura Ingraham.

Testimony from Carter Page before the House Intel Committee on November 2, 2017.
This is a copy of a letter he submitted to House Intel (he says he wrote) to Comey on September 25, 2016.
They applied for the Title I FISA on October 21, 2016.
The last paragraph of the letter is key.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVYPZiyVwAAAkD_.jpg

So. He says he wrote the above letter to Comey back in Sept. 2016...
At this point you either believe him or you don't.

It's reasonable to think that his prior 'cooperation' with the FBI was included/explained in the FISA application.
but everything ELSE they added to 'build' the 'portrait' of Carter Page they wanted
was either:

1. completely contrived:.. ie 'painted'/created (like they did w/ Fusion GPS) and Carter is utterly innocent of any Russian 'spying' or 'other' illegal activity with the 'Russian State'.

or

2. 'somewhat' true: not exactly a 'spy'.... but, they were well aware of what Carter (really) does in greasing ratline gas 'deals' with pay-to-play oligarchs, it was 'easy' to embellish, and simply decided to throw him under the bus.


I can't decide yet. I'll wait for moar info.

One thing for sure.. Carter Page is no longer in the Russian gas 'business'.
He 'suing' everybody because his 'career' is in complete tatters.
... maybe he can lecture at the CFR. :)

seapilot
02-06-2018, 06:44 PM
[edit]
After thinking about it...

That would be them claiming IN WRITING that their asset, after having been on their payrolls...
had been 'turned' by the 'Russians' into becoming an actual Russian spy..
then
having the courts grant them permission to (not 'bust' him)
but
send an 'actual Russian Spy' into the Trump campaign???

Somehow I don't think you could get all three FISA judges to go along with that.

1. We don't know what the application itself says.
2. It would be 'redacted' if 'released' and is 'classified' to protect 'means and methods'.
3. It would only allow for another 'Trey Gowdy only' type disclosure, if at all.
but
4. There may be 'court audio records' transcripts that could be accessed... Nunes/House Intelligence is trying to gain access to those currently.

and remember Carter Page is (still) claiming he had 'no knowledge' of being used as an intelligence asset.
He's lying either way...

Ever listened to Bongino's Podcast?http://www.bongino.com/ He must have someone he talks to on the inside( he is ex secret service), because he is putting all the details together really well.

They must have been really desperate to stop Trump to use one of their own spys as an excuse to get a warrant.

goldenequity
02-06-2018, 08:09 PM
Ever listened to Bongino's Podcast?http://www.bongino.com/ He must have someone he talks to on the inside( he is ex secret service), because he is putting all the details together really well.

They must have been really desperate to stop Trump to use one of their own spys as an excuse to get a warrant.

Yes. I've listened to several of his youtubes. I like him.
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My impressions of Carter Page is that he comes off like sort of a Gomer Pyle.

To 'elevate' him to the level of 'spy' (for either side) is imo contrived.

I think he was what they (ORIGINALLY 2013) said he was: an 'informant'.. a 'snitch'... an intelligence 'asset'..
which (to me) is different then a 'spy'.
I don't think he was capable of pulling that off 'consciously'/daily inside the Trump campaign.
He doesn't impress me as being that clever/duplicitous. He's simply a run of the mill opportunist. Like Manafort.

The entire story, beginning to end, revolves around his 'connections' in Russia.
It's why he was 'useful' in 2013 to the FBI 'takedown' of a targeted Oligarch ('persona non grata' in the HRC ratlines?)
and why he was 'useful' to the Trump campaign wanting someone with inside contacts in Russia (like Manafort)
as they anticipated building a foreign policy 'position'.

They 'donned' him with the 'spy' mantle for the courts.
To sum up... I think he's 'dirty' $$$... but NOT a 'spy'... he was USED to 'spy' on Trumpers via FISA I (w/o his awareness).

If Bongino (or anyone else) can actually bring 'proof' that this is wrong working theory..
by all means let's look at it. :confused: I'm open.

goldenequity
02-07-2018, 08:33 AM
Carter Page Denies

Was Carter Page An Undercover FBI Informant?
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/07/was-carter-page-undercover-fbi-informant/

An article at RedState (https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2018/02/06/carter-page-help-bust-russian-spy-ring-undercover-fbi-employee/) analyzed Page’s role in the spy ring case and the Justice Department press release and surmised that
“unless there is a significant piece missing to what has been made public, Male-1 is UCE-1 is Carter Page.”

But Page poured cold water on theory.

“I’m not very familiar with the whole UCE concept,” he initially told The Daily Caller News Foundation
when asked if he had heard the rumors that he was an undercover FBI agent.
“I would assume that I’d have been briefed if I were somehow in it.”

Told that the undercover agent planted recording devices in order to surveil, Page said, “well that settles that.”

“Never did anything of that variety.”

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GOHMERT: It’s Time For The House Judiciary Committee To Obtain Secret FISA Transcripts
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/07/gohmert-its-time-for-the-house-judiciary-committee-to-obtain-secret-fisa-transcripts/

It is absolutely imperative that we ascertain whether or not there was any legitimate, independent and untainted evidence
to justify the court’s warrant to spy on an American citizen and obtain multiple renewals of their warrant.

In addition, the role of the “Woods Procedures” in verifying the information used to obtain the warrant on Carter Page
must be thoroughly examined.

The Woods Procedures required verification and documentation at many levels
within the FBI and DOJ before a FISA application could be approved, signed, and then presented to the FISC.
The same information is supposed to be checked and double checked by multiple persons throughout the process.

Given the extensive verification process required to finalize a FISA application, and the number of senior officials that signed off
on the multiple warrants for surveillance of Carter Page, it is truly a mystery
how the “salacious and unverified” Steele dossier ever made it past these checks and into the courtroom.

When the DOJ does not supply a truthful, legitimate basis for evidence submitted,
the FISA judge personally stands between a weaponized system of injustice
and the freedom of American citizens.

goldenequity
02-07-2018, 07:45 PM
Batter Up – Chairman Goodlatte Requests FISA Court Documents From Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer
https://t.co/V0JvNpqAf7




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Jan2017
02-07-2018, 08:45 PM
Batter Up – Chairman Goodlatte Requests FISA Court Documents From Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer
https://t.co/V0JvNpqAf7

"The Goodlatte request presents a very interesting dynamic because Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer was the FISC Justice
who wrote the extensive 99-page opinion that outlined the intentional abuse and misrepresentations to the FISA Court
within the FISA-702 process."
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/07/batter-up-chairman-goodlatte-requests-fisa-court-documents-from-presiding-judge-rosemary-collyer/

The FISC is getting deluged with requests, understandably. They may be opening up some (?) . . . hopefully.

Justice Boasberg wrote for the Court in a November 9, 2017 "Opinion and Order of the Court"
and joined by Justices Saylor, Dearie, Russell, Jones and Contreras.
Collyer Presiding Judge, Eagan, Mosman, Conway and Kugler dissenting. (6-5 FISA Court decision)


"The Initial Opinion in this action decided that Movants - ACLU and Yale Law School ... had suffered no injury-in-fact
and lacked standing to bring their First Amendment claim for access to redacted portions of this Court's opinions.
"Sitting en banc for the first time in our history, we now vacate that decision"

See 50 U.S.C. 1803(a)(2)(A); FISC Rules of Procedure 45 (allowing the Court to order a hearing or rehearing en banc if "necessary to secure and maintain uniformity of the Court's decisions"). After substantial and reasoned debate and discussion among all eleven judges of this Court, we now answer that inquiry in the affirmative."

By necessity, this Court conducts much of its work in secrecy.
...
It comes as no surprise then, that members of the public may at times seek to challenge
whether certain controversies merit our continued secrecy or, instead require some degree of transparency.

Starting from the premise that Movants claim is meritorious means that we must assume that withholding our classified opinions violates their First Amendment right of access to judicial proceedings under the Richmond Newspapers test. From this base we can readily conclude that this injury is "concrete," as well as "actual," because the opinions are currently not available to them.


The entire 44 page opinion with dissenting opinions is linked as pdf at : http://www.fisc.uscourts.gov/public-filings/misc-13-08-opinion

Jan2017
02-08-2018, 08:02 AM
Justice Boasberg, writing for the Court :


Figuring out whether a plaintiff has standing to bring a novel legal claim can feel a bit like
trying to distinguish a black cat in a coal cellar. "Although the two concepts unfortunately are
blurred at times. standing and entitlement to relief are not the same thing.
Standing is a prerequisite to filing a suit​, while the underlying merits of a claim . . .
determine whether the plaintiff is entitled to relief citing Arreola v. Godinez 546 F.3d 788 at 794-95 (7th Circuit 2008). . .
The Initial Opinion in this action decided that Movants (ACLU and Yale) had suffered no injury-in-fact and thus lacked standing . . ."

The FISA Court in this 6-5 decision reversed the Court's prior decision giving petitioners standing to sue . .
but getting relief (from a Court in equity or the FISA Court) in the form of actually getting redacted portions of requested information . . . (????) meh, maybe not so much.

Good luck House Judiciary Chairman Goodlatte, ACLU/Yale, The NY Times - and everyone else now - with standing to sue for info from the "classified" Court.