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Valli6
02-02-2018, 11:21 AM
UPDATE: MEMO FULLY OUT!

IT IS NOW PUBLIC! Read it: https://truepundit.com/read-house-intel-memo-fisa-abuse/
PDF https://graphics.axios.com/2018-02-02-memo/HMTG-115-IG00-20180129-SD001.pdf

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Fox news reporting "first excerpts of Nunes memo released" (to media?)

...used dossier... was based on false information
...used media
...DOJ used media reporting to give credibility to dossier - "circular reporting" *
... British spy hated Trump, desperate to keep him from being president
...surveillance would not have been approved without dossier
...GPS and Steele were briefing media on dossier

Still calling it "about to be released".


* I want an investigation of the DOJ/media collusion during '08 and '12 elections! :mad:



House Intelligence memo released: What it says
by Byron York | Feb 2, 2018, 11:48 AM

The House Intelligence Committee has released its controversial memo outlining alleged abuses of secret surveillance by the FBI and Justice Department in the Trump-Russia investigation. Here are some key points:

* The Steele dossier formed an essential part of the initial and all three renewal FISA applications against Carter Page.

* Andrew McCabe confirmed that no FISA warrant would have been sought from the FISA Court without the Steele dossier information.

* The political origins of the Steele dossier were known to senior DOJ and FBI officials, but excluded from the FISA applications.

* DOJ official Bruce Ohr met with Steele beginning in the summer of 2016 and relayed to DOJ information about Steele's bias. Steele told Ohr that he, Steele, was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected president and was passionate about him not becoming president.

MORE
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-intel-memo-released-what-it-says/article/2647937

dannno
02-02-2018, 11:45 AM
Oh man they are faahhhcked

seapilot
02-02-2018, 11:47 AM
The US rep site crashed. Another place it can be viewed at :https://www.scribd.com/document/370598711/House-Intelligence-Committee-Report-On-FISA-Abuses?irgwc=1&content=27795&campaign=VigLink&ad_group=3774203&keyword=ft500noi&source

Brian4Liberty
02-02-2018, 11:50 AM
Summary:

They target Carter Page , an adviser to the Trump campaign. On Oct. 26, 2016 there was a FISC application, which comes after FISA applications. It allows for full electronic survellience. This opens up all communications that Page might have with anyone else. Keep in mind, this would include campaign conference calls and emails or messages that included Page. This alone qualifies as spying on the Trump campaign.

Named as responsible: Comey, McCabe, Yates, Boente, Rosenstein.

These FISA and FISC applications were based upon the Steele Dossier. Steele was working with Bruce Ohr and his wife. Ohr worked for Yates and later Rosenstein. Steele was leaking to the media, and was an extreme #Nevertrump partisan.

In July 2016, Peter Strzok opened an investigation into George Papadopolous, because his name was in the original Page FISA application. There was no evidence of Papadopolous being involved in anything, yet the mere mention of his name was enough to investigate him.

https://www.scribd.com/document/370598711/House-Intelligence-Committee-Report-On-FISA-Abuses

goldenequity
02-02-2018, 11:56 AM
This is "Just the Beginning"....

unmasking the:
Department of Justice: Rogue 4th Branch of Government (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/02/tip-of-the-iceberg-the-pending-intelligence-memo-is-the-beginning-not-the-end/#more-145354)




Today it is worthwhile remembering this is the beginning of exposing the corruption within the DOJ not the end.

The U.S. Justice Department was/is an independent fourth branch of government;
unaccountable to congress and functioning entirely separate from the executive branch.

The U.S. justice department has maintained an attitude of non-accountability within its ranks and the Obama years elevated that attitude...
providing multiple examples of a DOJ gone rogue.


OPENING THE DOOR

The House Intelligence Memo is simply using the example of currently known FISA abuse to open the door....
behind that door are the realities of those who constructed the weaponized agency; and also those who have benefited from it.

Consider:

♦When IRS head Lois Learner unlawfully sent the 21 CD-ROM’s containing the “Schedule B” filings of over a million Americans to the Obama administration, the recipient was the DOJ. LINK (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/03/20/why-did-the-irs-give-the-dept-of-justice-twenty-one-cd-roms/) It was the DOJ who was chosen to utilize the political lists in their “Secret Research Project“. ♦When U.S. District Court Judge Andrew Hanen demanded DOJ lawyers attend ethics classes due to their false representations to his court – he was highlighting a corrupt DOJ. LINK (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/05/19/stunning-judicial-ruling-from-judge-andrew-hanen-requires-all-doj-attorneys-attend-ethics-classes-gives-u-s-attorney-general-loretta-lynch-60-days-to-present-correction-plan/)

♦When the case against the Bundy family was recently thrown out of court, it was the “gross malicious conduct” of the DOJ highlighted by the judge. LINK (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/08/breaking-federal-judge-throws-out-case-against-cliven-bundy-with-prejudice-gross-prosecutorial-misconduct/)



This is the same DOJ who denied their own Office of Inspector General, Michael Horowitz, the right to conduct oversight on DOJ internal action. LINK (https://t.co/b2VmsRhQ42)
The expressed Justice Department intent in every action has been an attempt to remain unaccountable.

The U.S. Justice Department has become a rogue agency weaponized against it’s political opposition in almost every jurisdiction...
the epicenter of that attitude balks at the concept of having oversight, and thumbs their nose at congress by refusing to turn over the underlying FISA application documents.





How DARE They??

This is a corrupted and defiant system being defended by a political media apparatus who have benefited from seeing their opposition targeted.

The American people became the threat to their system. The American people became their enemy.

This is exactly the way the DOJ behaves.

►The House Intelligence Committee, Chairman Devin Nunes, has oversight over the entire intelligence apparatus, including DOJ/FBI counterintelligence and the FISA Courts.

►The House Judiciary Committee, Chairman Bob Goodlatte, has statutory oversight over the entire Department of Justice.

►The Senate Judiciary Committee, Chairman Chuck Grassley, has oversight over the federal court processes used by the U.S. Department of Justice.

►The Office of Inspector General, Michael Horowitz, is the internal DOJ watchdog.

https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/horowitz-goodlatte-grassley-nunes.jpg?w=640&h=410







L@@K AT THE DEFIANCE!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7A3QViXy-8





THE 'CURE': REMOVE THEIR INTERNAL 'IMAGE' OF UNACCOUNTABILITY

The release of the House Intelligence Memo is only the tip of the iceberg; the crack in the door to see just how corrupt the unaccountable Justice System became.

There are going to be many more revelations as the investigations into the FBI and DOJ continue.
Combine that understanding with the pending OIG Horowitz report, and we have only just begun to see how bad this is…

The key aspect to begin restoring a system when it has fallen into the clutches of corruption, is to remove their internal image of unaccountability.
The DOJ and FBI are part of the Executive Branch and they are accountable to congressional oversight.

We need to constantly remind people of that, and push back against this insufferable media-generated narrative of the DOJ being an independent fourth branch of government.

seapilot
02-02-2018, 11:59 AM
First thought:

They initially target Carter Page (Oct. 26, 2016), an adviser to the Trump campaign. This opens up all communications that Page might have with anyone else. Keep in mind, this would include campaign conference calls and emails or messages that included Page. This alone qualifies as spying on the Trump campaign.

Named as responsible: Comey, McCabe, Yates, Boente, Rosenstein.

Looks like 2 are already out 3 to go. Sedition charges to come?

Valli6
02-02-2018, 12:00 PM
..

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Trump's stance:
Asked by reporters at the White House this morning if the memo made him more likely to fire Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein or if he still had confidence in Rosenstein, President Trump responded: You figure that one out.

updating compilation of reactions:

The FBI Agents Association:
"FBI Special Agents have not, and will not, allow partisan politics to distract us from our solemn commitment to our mission."

Rep. Devin Nunes:
"The Committee has discovered serious violations of the public trust, and the American people have a right to know when officials in crucial institutions are abusing their authority for political purposes."

Carter Page:
"The brave and assiduous oversight by Congressional leaders in discovering this unprecedented abuse of process represents a giant, historic leap in the repair of America's democracy."

Sen. John McCain:
"The latest attacks on the FBI and Department of Justice serve no American interests —*no party's, no president's, only Putin's...If we continue to undermine our own rule of law, we are doing Putin's job for him."

https://www.axios.com/read-nunes-memo-fbi-doj-fisa-mueller-7fb8bcb7-1f18-4294-aa95-628d2f67bcdf.html

donnay
02-02-2018, 12:18 PM
FISA MEMO CONFIRMS SURVEILLANCE OF TRUMP CAMPAIGN WAS BASED ON DODGY STEELE DOSSIER
https://www.infowars.com/fisa-memo-confirms-surveillance-of-trump-campaign-was-based-on-dodgy-steele-dossier/

donnay
02-02-2018, 12:19 PM
It appears McCabe flipped.

timosman
02-02-2018, 12:20 PM
I am surprised nobody is making a connection to the war on terror.:cool:

Brian4Liberty
02-02-2018, 12:20 PM
Prime question that must now be answered:

After the election, Sessions recused himself, yet Rosenstein had no problem continuing to be involved. Rosenstein had more reason to be recused than Sessions.

donnay
02-02-2018, 12:29 PM
No FISA Warrant without dossier. Which means no Russia collusion story without the dossier. It also means no Mueller special counsel without the dossier which was paid for by the DNC/Hillary Clinton Foundation. So Mueller should go away now and quit wasting the taxpayers dollars.

The bottom line is Trump was right when he said he was spied on, and the Democrats and MSM made him looked like a Kook.

Anti Federalist
02-02-2018, 12:30 PM
Attention, Attention, AmeriKunt People!

What did we tell you would happen, over 15 years ago now, when this massive new increase in state surveillance power was born??!!

We TOLD you that the surveillance state would turn inward, would create political prisoners, would shred privacy, liberty and the bill of rights and would be used to undermine and corrupt and sway the political process!!!

But you numbfucks didn't want to listen, did you?

And you probably won't listen now either.

Didn't want to put a stop to it when you could.

And now it's too late.

Fuck you, enjoy your new East Germany, assenholes.

Brian4Liberty
02-02-2018, 12:35 PM
Attention, Attention, AmeriKunt People!

What did we tell you would happen, over 15 years ago now, when this massive new increase in state surveillance power was born??!!

We TOLD you that the surveillance state would turn inward, would create political prisoners, would shred privacy, liberty and the bill of rights and would be used to undermine and corrupt and sway the political process!!!

But you numbfucks didn't want to listen, did you?

And you probably won't listen now either.

Didn't want to put a stop to it when you could.

And now it's too late.

Fuck you, enjoy your new East Germany, assenholes.

You can thank Nunes for waiting until after the recent vote on FISA power to release this memo. But of course that's just a small tweak to this surveillance monstrosity.

The Northbreather
02-02-2018, 12:36 PM
Attention, Attention, AmeriKunt People!

What did we tell you would happen, over 15 years ago now, when this massive new increase in state surveillance power was born??!!

We TOLD you that the surveillance state would turn inward, would create political prisoners, would shred privacy, liberty and the bill of rights and would be used to undermine and corrupt and sway the political process!!!

But you numbfucks didn't want to listen, did you?

And you probably won't listen now either.

Didn't want to put a stop to it when you could.

And now it's too late.

$#@! you, enjoy your new East Germany, assenholes.

But we’re going to do it right next time, we just need a new, more just department with just a little more authority.

timosman
02-02-2018, 12:39 PM
Attention, Attention, AmeriKunt People!

What did we tell you would happen, over 15 years ago now, when this massive new increase in state surveillance power was born??!!

We TOLD you that the surveillance state would turn inward, would create political prisoners, would shred privacy, liberty and the bill of rights and would be used to undermine and corrupt and sway the political process!!!

But you numbfucks didn't want to listen, did you?

And you probably won't listen now either.

Didn't want to put a stop to it when you could.

And now it's too late.

Fuck you, enjoy your new East Germany, assenholes.

And Maxine Waters as your boss at work. :cool:

Brian4Liberty
02-02-2018, 12:40 PM
The pundits and spin are hysterical... "Trump better not fire anyone over this! That would create a constitutional crisis!"

OK, so you have an employee who screws up, and not only screws up, but is intentionally trying to screw the boss, and they can't be fired? Seems legit.

Brian4Liberty
02-02-2018, 12:43 PM
Attention, Attention, AmeriKunt People!

What did we tell you would happen, over 15 years ago now, when this massive new increase in state surveillance power was born??!!

We TOLD you that the surveillance state would turn inward, would create political prisoners, would shred privacy, liberty and the bill of rights and would be used to undermine and corrupt and sway the political process!!!

But you numbfucks didn't want to listen, did you?

And you probably won't listen now either.

Didn't want to put a stop to it when you could.

And now it's too late.

Fuck you, enjoy your new East Germany, assenholes.

Ron Paul was right, yet again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQkcokIWQfg

timosman
02-02-2018, 12:43 PM
The pundits and spin are hysterical... "Trump better not fire anyone over this! That would create a constitutional crisis!"

OK, so you have an employee who screws up, and not only screws up, but is intentionally trying to screw the boss, and they can't be fired? Seems legit.

Maybe there is something in their contract about being fired? I would not be surprised if some "compassionate" person put something there.

phill4paul
02-02-2018, 12:45 PM
Attention, Attention, AmeriKunt People!

What did we tell you would happen, over 15 years ago now, when this massive new increase in state surveillance power was born??!!

We TOLD you that the surveillance state would turn inward, would create political prisoners, would shred privacy, liberty and the bill of rights and would be used to undermine and corrupt and sway the political process!!!

But you numbfucks didn't want to listen, did you?

And you probably won't listen now either.

Didn't want to put a stop to it when you could.

And now it's too late.

Fuck you, enjoy your new East Germany, assenholes.

Time for an immediate release of all investigations regarding every politician past and present so we can see if any of them are in collusion because of cover-up of illegal activities by the deep state.

Yeah, like THAT is gonna happen.

Brian4Liberty
02-02-2018, 12:46 PM
Maybe there is something in their contract about being fired? I would not be surprised if some "compassionate" person put something there.

Section 5 - Subsection 3(d):

Employment is at will, and you can be terminated at any time for any reason by Hillary Clinton. Termination by any other person for any other reason must be carefully reviewed by the government-media complex.

donnay
02-02-2018, 12:48 PM
Rep. Gaetz: FISA Memo Shows Mueller Probe Was Based on 'False, Rotten Premise'
http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/02/01/rep-matt-gaetz-fisa-surveillance-abuse-memo-release-mueller-russia-probe

Anti Federalist
02-02-2018, 12:49 PM
Ron Paul was right, yet again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQkcokIWQfg

That was the precise video I was looking for.

+rep

dannno
02-02-2018, 12:50 PM
Section 5 - Subsection 3(d):

Employment is at will, and you can be terminated at any time by Hillary Clinton. Termination for any other reason must be carefully reviewed by the government-media complex.

When I think of being terminated by Hillary Clinton, I'm not thinking about losing my job..


And where the hell is Zippy and TheCount this morning???? Regrouping meeting to analyze talking points?

pcosmar
02-02-2018, 12:56 PM
Turn the fan on high,, and see how far the $hit spreads.


chum the waters and let them eat themselves.

Anti Federalist
02-02-2018, 01:07 PM
Among the memo’s findings are:

The anti-Trump dossier funded by the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee formed an “essential” part of the initial and all three renewal surveillance applications against Trump campaign adviser Carter Page;

The political origins of the dossier were “known to senior DOJ and FBI officials,” but those origins were not included in applications to obtain the warrant;

Also used to justify the surveillance warrants against Page was a news story supposedly corroborating the dossier, that was pushed by the dossier author Christopher Steele himself — yet the FISA application incorrectly says Steele did not provide the information in the article;

Perkins Coie — the law firm for the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee hosted a meeting with Steele, Fusion GPS and media (this revelation makes it harder for the Clinton campaign and the DNC to deny they knew about the dossier, though Clinton and other top DNC officials at that time have denied knowing about it);

Steele was “suspended and then terminated” as an FBI source, after the FBI learned that he made an authorized disclosure of his relationship with the FBI to liberal media magazine Mother Jones, and he lied to the FBI about his previous media contacts with Yahoo! and other outlets;

Steele — although portrayed as a “boy scout” by Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn Simpson — had personal bias against candidate Donald Trump, telling senior Justice Department official Bruce Ohr that he was “desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president”;

Ohr’s wife Nellie Ohr assisted with the dossier, but the FBI or the DOJ did not disclose this connection in the application for the FISA warrant, even though Bruce Ohr worked “closely” with Deputy Attorney Generals Sally Yates and then Rod Rosenstein;

At the time that the FBI used the dossier to obtain the spy warrant on Page in October 2016, head of the FBI’s counterintelligence division Bill Priestap had assessed that the corroboration of the dossier was still in its “infancy,” and after Steele was terminated as a source, an FBI unit assessed his reporting as only “minimally corroborated”;

FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe acknowledged to the House Intelligence Committee in December 2017 that no warrant would have been sought without the dossier;

The FISA warrant also mentioned information related to another Trump campaign adviser, George Papadopoulos, even though there was no evidence of cooperation or conspiracy between Page and Papadopoulos;

The memo does not state what the information about Papadopoulos was, but said that information was the trigger to the FBI’s counterintelligence investigation on Russian meddling and collusion in late July 2016 (he had told an Australian diplomat at a London bar that a Maltese professor connected to Russia had told him he had dirt on Clinton in the form of emails);

Peter Strzok, the No. 2 at the FBI’s counterintelligence division opened the bureau’s investigation on Russian meddling and collusion (text messages between him and fellow FBI official and lover Lisa Page show that he held an anti-Trump bias).

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/02/report-president-trump-approves-fisa-memo-release/

dannno
02-02-2018, 01:12 PM
Among the memo’s findings are:

The anti-Trump dossier funded by the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee formed an “essential” part of the initial and all three renewal surveillance applications against Trump campaign adviser Carter Page;

The political origins of the dossier were “known to senior DOJ and FBI officials,” but those origins were not included in applications to obtain the warrant;

Also used to justify the surveillance warrants against Page was a news story supposedly corroborating the dossier, that was pushed by the dossier author Christopher Steele himself — yet the FISA application incorrectly says Steele did not provide the information in the article;

Perkins Coie — the law firm for the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee hosted a meeting with Steele, Fusion GPS and media (this revelation makes it harder for the Clinton campaign and the DNC to deny they knew about the dossier, though Clinton and other top DNC officials at that time have denied knowing about it);

Steele was “suspended and then terminated” as an FBI source, after the FBI learned that he made an authorized disclosure of his relationship with the FBI to liberal media magazine Mother Jones, and he lied to the FBI about his previous media contacts with Yahoo! and other outlets;

Steele — although portrayed as a “boy scout” by Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn Simpson — had personal bias against candidate Donald Trump, telling senior Justice Department official Bruce Ohr that he was “desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president”;

Ohr’s wife Nellie Ohr assisted with the dossier, but the FBI or the DOJ did not disclose this connection in the application for the FISA warrant, even though Bruce Ohr worked “closely” with Deputy Attorney Generals Sally Yates and then Rod Rosenstein;

At the time that the FBI used the dossier to obtain the spy warrant on Page in October 2016, head of the FBI’s counterintelligence division Bill Priestap had assessed that the corroboration of the dossier was still in its “infancy,” and after Steele was terminated as a source, an FBI unit assessed his reporting as only “minimally corroborated”;

FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe acknowledged to the House Intelligence Committee in December 2017 that no warrant would have been sought without the dossier;

The FISA warrant also mentioned information related to another Trump campaign adviser, George Papadopoulos, even though there was no evidence of cooperation or conspiracy between Page and Papadopoulos;

The memo does not state what the information about Papadopoulos was, but said that information was the trigger to the FBI’s counterintelligence investigation on Russian meddling and collusion in late July 2016 (he had told an Australian diplomat at a London bar that a Maltese professor connected to Russia had told him he had dirt on Clinton in the form of emails);

Peter Strzok, the No. 2 at the FBI’s counterintelligence division opened the bureau’s investigation on Russian meddling and collusion (text messages between him and fellow FBI official and lover Lisa Page show that he held an anti-Trump bias).

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/02/report-president-trump-approves-fisa-memo-release/


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/customavatars/thumbs/avatar17293_6.gif

enhanced_deficit
02-02-2018, 01:18 PM
If memo assertions are confirmed as factual by respected public bodies, the basis for whole Russiagate fishing expedition will be undermined and it will be big political win for Trump/Javanka wing of GOP.
In that case, Flynn should be brought back to his White House job and all other changes should be reversed/all fish caught in this expedition should be released?


Quote:
Looks like memogate is really cathing on. If this exposed corruption of widely respected agencies, risk is that it could undermine public trust in very agencies and national heroes who are trusted with protecting nation and investigating tragedies like 9/11 that led to massive Iraq war.

But if this is confirmed, it will be huge and good news for Trump-Kushner team and could stop the ongoing Russiagate fishing expedtion that has lately become Flynn-Israel gate (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?517312-Breaking-Flynn-says-Trump-directed-him-to-make-contact-with-Russians&p=6558028&viewfull=1#post6558028) and alleged Trump SIL Jared Kushner money laundering gate (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?518243-Newsweek-Trump-Impeachment-Odds-Rise-After-Explosive-Fire-and-Fury-Book-Revelations&p=6571599&viewfull=1#post6571599) following Steve Bannon "memos" published in the very controversial book Fire and Fury that caught attention of Mueller.




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The latest came this week, in response to a report from British press that revealed the National Security Agency commonly provides Israel with intelligence data — without first stripping out private and personal information on American citizens. The Guardian in London reported the item, the latest in its coverage of document leaks from Edward Snowden.



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donnay
02-02-2018, 01:21 PM
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donnay
02-02-2018, 01:24 PM
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timosman
02-02-2018, 01:28 PM
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American institutions are not a big deal. This country was built by immigrants. Remember this forever and ever! Can I have some cash?

phill4paul
02-02-2018, 01:30 PM
Wow, liberals are like "So what? There's nothing here. A FISA judge re-upped on the warrant every 90 days. I trust the FISA judge." Christ on a pogo.

dannno
02-02-2018, 01:32 PM
Wow, liberals are like "So what? There's nothing here. A FISA judge re-upped on the warrant every 90 days. I trust the FISA judge." Christ on a pogo.

Did they read it?

phill4paul
02-02-2018, 01:37 PM
Did they read it?

Sure. Their take? The writers of the memo have a political motive. They can't be trusted. We trust the FISA judge.

Had the roles been reversed, if Clinton were in office and the FBI had wiretapped her campaign because of a paid for Trump opposition document they would be calling for heads to roll.

Brian4Liberty
02-02-2018, 01:40 PM
Sure. Their take? The writers of the memo have a political motive. They can't be trusted. We trust the FISA judge.

Had the roles been reversed, if Clinton were in office and the FBI had wiretapped her campaign because of a paid for Trump opposition document they would be calling for heads to roll.

There is a little truth in that diversion. If the Dems controlled the House, there would be no investigation, no memo and no accountability. Must be partisan. ;)

Schifference
02-02-2018, 01:41 PM
In this situation, Liberals feel the end justifies the means. They want Trump found guilty of obstruction of justice and if that doesn't work they will figure out something else.

donnay
02-02-2018, 01:46 PM
Trump, by declassifying these documents, is shinning a light on the deep state cockroaches. I am definitely giving him credit for trying to do his best to drain the swamp. Last year they were painting him as a Kook.

Valli6
02-02-2018, 01:50 PM
The pundits and spin are hysterical... "Trump better not fire anyone over this! That would create a constitutional crisis!"


Wait till it really starts sinking in - we'll get to see all their sad sad faces again.:(
Just checked CNN. They're talkin angry, but looking pretty sad! Ken Cuccinell on the panel - tryin to keep a straight face. :D

nikcers
02-02-2018, 01:59 PM
Trump, by declassifying these documents, is shinning a light on the deep state cockroaches. I am definitely giving him credit for trying to do his best to drain the swamp. Last year they were painting him as a Kook.
They had to cave to public demand otherwise they would look like crooks themselves. This just means that we have to demand change in foreign policy and fiscal policy the same way people demanded the memo get released, otherwise we will just get the government we deserve.

Schifference
02-02-2018, 02:03 PM
This is not about Trump, the memo, or text messages. This is an attempt to get people to vote Republican in the Mid-term elections.

specsaregood
02-02-2018, 02:09 PM
So its been out a few hours, who has been arrested over it?

dannno
02-02-2018, 02:13 PM
So its been out a few hours, who has been arrested over it?

Zippy and TheCount maybe?

Where the hell are they?

Schifference
02-02-2018, 02:15 PM
So its been out a few hours, who has been arrested over it?

The intent was patriotic not criminal therefore there will not be any forthcoming charges against any liberals. However, the investigation to uncover the truth in regards to Trump's collusion and or obstruction will eventually bring those involved to justice!

timosman
02-02-2018, 02:35 PM
Zippy and TheCount maybe?

Where the hell are they?

Probably their boss got arrested and the checks stopped coming in. It happened a while ago but they kept going for a while. Kind of like the government shutdown.:cool:

seapilot
02-02-2018, 02:40 PM
In this situation, Liberals feel the end justifies the means. They want Trump found guilty of obstruction of justice and if that doesn't work they will figure out something else.

I think you are right. They could care less if the Intelligence agencies are used to spy on political opponents as long as it was not their guy.

seapilot
02-02-2018, 02:42 PM
Probably their boss got arrested and the checks stopped coming in. It happened a while ago but they kept going for a while. Kind of like the government shutdown.:cool:

I did read somewhere the DNC is bankrupt. No pay no play.

kahless
02-02-2018, 02:46 PM
dupe removed

kahless
02-02-2018, 02:46 PM
The paid shill responses will likely reflect Adam Schiff's twitter feed. That is if they are still getting paid.

dannno
02-02-2018, 03:10 PM
Zippy and TheCount maybe?

Where the hell are they?

Zippy is around here somewhere....

https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/cracking-knuckles-gif-4.gif

Jan2017
02-02-2018, 03:26 PM
A FISA judge re-upped on the warrant every 90 days.

Each renewal requires a separate finding of probable cause.

FBI Director James Comey and Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates - appointed by Obama - the initial October 2016.

First 90 day renewal by Comey and then Acting Attorney General Dana James Boente after Yates was fired by Trump while Sessions nomination as AG had to be confirmed in the Senate.

Comey again with Rosenstein (?)

Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein



So, DNC/Clinton Foundation funding for this Steele bogus "planted" probable cause is an act to meddle in the election as an insurance policy and then after the election during the transition was continued to "put down the US Government" that had been elected.

Sounds like a Russian boomerang shows a probable cause for a grand jury to convene to sort out all the "seditious conspirators", imho.

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to ... , put down, or ... the Government of the United States, ... contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
18 U.S.C. § 2384 - U.S. Code - Unannotated Title 18. Crimes and Criminal Procedure § 2384. Seditious conspiracy
http://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-18-crimes-and-criminal-procedure/18-usc-sect-2384.html

kcchiefs6465
02-02-2018, 03:27 PM
The pundits and spin are hysterical... "Trump better not fire anyone over this! That would create a constitutional crisis!"

OK, so you have an employee who screws up, and not only screws up, but is intentionally trying to screw the boss, and they can't be fired? Seems legit.
In America it actually does seem 'legit.'

Somebody better contact the Chief Diversity Officer and make sure this is on the up and up.

loveshiscountry
02-02-2018, 03:28 PM
Released on a Friday and right before the Super Bowl. Sweet timing.

parocks
02-02-2018, 03:36 PM
..

The McCain quote, was that a joke?

Brian4Liberty
02-02-2018, 03:48 PM
Zippy and TheCount maybe?

Where the hell are they?

Procedure calls for starting new threads in order to forum slide. Responding in this thread is to be avoided to keep it from being bumped.

dannno
02-02-2018, 03:54 PM
The McCain quote, was that a joke?

McCain is a joke, Trump made that clear when he said McCain wasn't a hero because he got caught and his poll numbers went up with Republicans.

enhanced_deficit
02-02-2018, 04:00 PM
959481275219247104


James Woods on Obama: He’s the ‘gift from hell that keeps on giving’ (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?428515-James-Woods-on-Obama-He%E2%80%99s-the-%E2%80%98gift-from-hell%E2%80%99&)
The Washington Times September 12, 2013
http://media.washtimes.com/media/image/2013/09/04/9_4_2013_ap1202290336308201_s160x116.jpg?6245d4b98 1be5c0dbf526a2ddfd2c5ef89877976 (http://www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/image/9_4_2013_ap1202290336308201jpg/)
The latest came this week, in response to a report from British press that revealed the National Security Agency commonly provides Israel with intelligence data — without first stripping out private and personal information on American citizens. The Guardian in London reported the item, the latest in its coverage of document leaks from Edward Snowden.

timosman
02-02-2018, 04:04 PM
Procedure calls for starting new threads in order to forum slide. Responding in this thread is to be avoided to keep it from being bumped.

You seem to be well aware of their tactics. What are you doing to stop them? I mean as a staff member. :cool:

donnay
02-02-2018, 04:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH3_-TdoNkQ

Swordsmyth
02-02-2018, 04:18 PM
The memo is neither as worthless as I feared nor as explosive as I hoped, I need to see prosecutions and expanding investigations.

Slave Mentality
02-02-2018, 04:23 PM
The memo is neither as worthless as I feared nor as explosive as I hoped, I need to see prosecutions and expanding investigation.

I agree. There needs to be a big bonfire with gallows before I start scootching up to the party. I am not holding my breath because bread-n-circus.

goldenequity
02-02-2018, 04:24 PM
The memo is neither as worthless as I feared nor as explosive as I hoped, I need to see prosecutions and expanding investigation.

WE WANT SOURCE DOCUMENTS :mad:

"You HAVE to 'unwind' the coup"
You can't just tell the American public.. "On yeah... there was a coup attempt.... it didn't go well." then claim 'National Security'
WTF? No!
The 4 FISAs (applications) MUST be published... #ReleasetheFISA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWhenvOZHTs

undergroundrr
02-02-2018, 04:25 PM
Procedure calls for starting new threads in order to forum slide. Responding in this thread is to be avoided to keep it from being bumped.

Please don't feed...

Oh nevermind

undergroundrr
02-02-2018, 04:26 PM
You seem to be well aware of their tactics. What are you doing to stop them? I mean as a staff member. :cool:

Yep, fed and fueled up

timosman
02-02-2018, 04:31 PM
Yep, fed and fueled up

Don't bite more than you can chew.

undergroundrr
02-02-2018, 04:32 PM
Released on a Friday and right before the Super Bowl. Sweet timing.

Exactly. x10

I would love to see this hobble the security state and wake people up. But it will be a miracle if it stays in discussion for more than a week. My initial sense is that Bannon, AJ and the usuals will yell about it while the NYT, CNN and WP gleefully carry on with their business. But we'll see.

donnay
02-02-2018, 04:32 PM
The memo is neither as worthless as I feared nor as explosive as I hoped, I need to see prosecutions and expanding investigations.

This is only the tip of the iceberg...stay tuned.

osan
02-02-2018, 04:37 PM
http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/20180129/106822/HMTG-115-IG00-20180129-SD001.pdf

Swordsmyth
02-02-2018, 04:39 PM
This is only the tip of the iceberg...stay tuned.

Will do, but this needs to cascade, elected officials need to end up behind bars and the Demoncrats' political machine needs to be left in ruins.

donnay
02-02-2018, 04:46 PM
Will do, but this needs to cascade, elected officials need to end up behind bars and the Demoncrats' political machine needs to be left in ruins.



U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 115 › § 2384
18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
US Code

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384

spudea
02-02-2018, 04:48 PM
Remember, that any democrat that says there is nothing wrong here has set the new rules for the 2020 election. The RNC can fund a foreign spy to create a political opposition document of "salacious and unverified" information, feed that document to the FBI, the FBI then uses the document to obtain surveillance powers on the democrat campaign, the FBI then ambushes members of that campaign, questions them, any discrepancies are met with prosecutions for lying to the FBI.

phill4paul
02-02-2018, 04:59 PM
Remember, that any democrat that says there is nothing wrong here has set the new rules for the 2020 election. The RNC can fund a foreign spy to create a political opposition document of "salacious and unverified" information, feed that document to the FBI, the FBI then uses the document to obtain surveillance powers on the democrat campaign, the FBI then ambushes members of that campaign, questions them, any discrepancies are met with prosecutions for lying to the FBI.

I know for a fact that Hillary, Sanders, Pelosi, Warren and waters ate Pacific Walrus penis, hard boiled Magellanic Penguin eggs, Leatherneck Turtle soup, and BBQ'd Giant Panda paws at a retreat in China where Li Keqiang was the host.

Philhelm
02-02-2018, 05:06 PM
If the thread were to keep getting pulled, it would unravel other people who have been surveilled without cause.

(Answer: anybody and everybody.)

undergroundrr
02-02-2018, 05:07 PM
Will do, but this needs to cascade, elected officials need to end up behind bars and the Demoncrats' political machine needs to be left in ruins.

I'm with you, although I'd also like to see the Republican party machine leveled by some means.

But what I'd like most out of this is a major impact on the security surveillance state. Well, the Snowden leaks had absolutely no effect. Zilch. And this is tiny compared to that. OTOH People definitely talk about it differently than they would have pre-Snowden.

Swordsmyth
02-02-2018, 05:12 PM
I'm with you, although I'd also like to see the Republican party machine leveled by some means.

Any Swampublicans caught in the net would be great bonus points but I only mentioned the Demoncrats because this is THEIR scandal.


But what I'd like most out of this is a major impact on the security surveillance state. Well, the Snowden leaks had absolutely no effect. Zilch. And this is tiny compared to that. OTOH People definitely talk about it differently than they would have pre-Snowden.

That would be great too but due to the recent NSA vote I don't have much hope.

Raginfridus
02-02-2018, 05:35 PM
The Republican machine is a greater obstacle and threat to Liberty than the Democrats.

Swordsmyth
02-02-2018, 05:50 PM
The Republican machine is a greater obstacle and threat to Liberty than the Democrats.

I beg to differ, but in any case we don't have a scandal with the potential to gut the Swampublicans and we do have one that might destroy the Demoncrats.

kahless
02-02-2018, 05:55 PM
In order of threat.

Democrats
Republican Establishment
Republicans

or

Communists
Neocon Globalists
Statists

Raginfridus
02-02-2018, 05:58 PM
Scandals are so because they're made public.

The Democrats haven't stifled a Liberty candidate in decades. The Republicans do so reliably.

Swordsmyth
02-02-2018, 06:03 PM
Scandals are so because they're made public.

The Democrats haven't stifled a Liberty candidate in decades. The Republicans do so reliably.

They've driven them entirely out of their party and they attack us viciously at every turn and they do more damage to the country and any states or localities they take control of.

Plus without them the political spectrum will shift in the right direction and the Swampublicans will no longer benefit from the "lesser of two evils" argument, if you get rid of the Swampublicans first another "lesser of two evils" will take their place and we will not benefit much.

Raginfridus
02-02-2018, 06:12 PM
You could fight those evil demoncrats if there was no controlled opposition stopping you. Maybe you have all the luck with representatives where youre from. Most do not.

Swordsmyth
02-02-2018, 06:16 PM
You could fight those evil demoncrats if there was no controlled opposition stopping you. Maybe you have all the luck with representatives where youre from. Most do not.

One way or another we have the opportunity to destroy one enemy and we don't yet have that opportunity with the other.

AuH20
02-02-2018, 06:33 PM
The Republican machine is a greater obstacle and threat to Liberty than the Democrats.

True, because they act as a buffer protecting the democrat crime machine.

dannno
02-02-2018, 06:37 PM
True, because they act as a buffer protecting the democrat crime machine.

*cough*McCain*cough*

Jan2017
02-02-2018, 06:38 PM
Feb 2, 2018
DC establishment/Clinton machine cabal starting to unravel
Dow plunges 666

pcosmar
02-02-2018, 06:43 PM
The Republican machine is a greater obstacle and threat to Liberty than the Democrats.

well,, It is right now.

milgram
02-02-2018, 06:46 PM
959510192240111616
959584941397987329

Anti Federalist
02-02-2018, 07:10 PM
I know for a fact that Hillary, Sanders, Pelosi, Warren and waters ate Pacific Walrus penis, hard boiled Magellanic Penguin eggs, Leatherneck Turtle soup, and BBQ'd Giant Panda paws at a retreat in China where Li Keqiang was the host.

While dressed in "blackface" singing Al Jolson tunes.

dannno
02-02-2018, 07:23 PM
959510192240111616
959584941397987329

Massie said he read the 'Democratic' memo and said it didn't contradict the Republican memo, and that it could legitimately create a security threat if released.

Much of the underlying evidence for the 'Republican' memo already exists and has been corroborated.

timosman
02-02-2018, 07:27 PM
*cough*McCain*cough*

*cough*Gowdy*cough*

Valli6
02-02-2018, 07:32 PM
Tucker Carlson doing a full hour on this right now. I recommend

Jan2017
02-02-2018, 07:36 PM
Massie said he read the 'Democratic' memo and said it didn't contradict the Republican memo, and that it could legitimately create a security threat if released.


Kentucky Rep. Thomas Massie told The Daily Caller Wednesday the Democratic House Intelligence memo
will remain concealed because it “discloses sources and methods that can’t be released.”

“They’ve already reciprocated with their own memo, which I’ve already read today, and it’s talking past the Republicans, it makes statements that are probably true, but doesn’t really dispute the statements in the Republican memo, and I don’t think the Democrat memo is going to get released,” Massie told TheDC.

“The reason why it’s not going to get released is the Democrat memo is about three times longer than the Republican one
and theirs discloses sources and methods that can’t be released,” the Republican continued.

Democrats huddled together for a press conference Monday after House Republicans voted to release their own intelligence memo,
and California Rep. Adam Schiff led the charge in their response.

The Daily Caller reached out to Schiff, but his office did not return a request for comment via email or phone call.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/31/rep-massie-democrat-memo-discloses-sources-and-methods-that-cant-be-released/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfPO_off1Ts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfPO_off1Ts

NY Times reported the Democrat's memo is 10 pages long.

Also . . .

WE WANT SOURCE DOCUMENTS :mad:

"You HAVE to 'unwind' the coup"
You can't just tell the American public.. "On yeah... there was a coup attempt.... it didn't go well." then claim 'National Security'
WTF? No!
The 4 FISAs (applications) MUST be published... #ReleasetheFISA


February 1, 2018 https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/01/us/politics/devin-nunes-memo.html?ribbon-ad-idx=3&rref=politics&module=Ribbon&version=context&region=Header&action=click&contentCollection=Politics&pgtype=article
White Sulphur Springs, WV
Mr. Nunes has not read the warrant from which the memo is drawn.
The DOJ considers such warrants extremely sensitive and allowed one Democrat and one Republican from the committee,
plus staff to view it. Trey Gowdy was the Republican reader.

Mach
02-02-2018, 10:01 PM
Most here already knew what all that FISA stuff really was long ago.

---

Bernie Sanders, Hillary emails etc.. etc... etc..... Trump spying..... and nothing at all will happen to Clinton, this has been talked about before around here, she must have some stuff on some very major players on the deep inside. There is so much evidence against her right out in the open that they need to set up a whole new separate investigation on her alone. Could you imagine what they could find if they actually tried?

---

This is fascinating to watch in a way, listen and watch how Pelosi does nothing but lie, connive and manipulate trying to brainwash her fans into an emotional stupor.... fear... fear.. fear..... it's from a few days ago.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fpYU3TZ8QE

Don't even know Cuomo but he was actually being a journalist here and challenging, a little.

Mach
02-02-2018, 10:40 PM
Former FBI Asst. Director says there's some major federal felonies there, and that Comey is a weasel. :D

"...we only know 5% of what we're gonna know in a couple months."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjhpnduIYfY

Swordsmyth
02-02-2018, 11:11 PM
Following the release of a four-page memo detailing rampant FISA warrant abuse by the FBI and DOJ, Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ) announced that he will seek the criminal prosecution of FBI and DOJ officials for the "full throated adoption of this illegal misconduct and abuse of FISA by James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Sally Yates and Rod Rosenstein" who Gosar called "traitors to our nation."
https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/1060x600-34800fc8b2583213cf11037d2e3147b5.jpg
Gosar focuses on the memo's claim that the FBI and DOJ did not mention that Christopher Steele, the ex-MI6 spy who compiled the dossier, was partially funded by the Clinton campaign and the DNC.


"This is third world politics where the official government agencies are used as campaign attack dogs," Gosar said.
The letter reads in part:

The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence memorandum on the FBI abuse of FISA warrants and targeting a sitting President is not just evidence of incompetence but clear and convincing evidence of treason....
I will be leading a letter to the Attorney General seeking criminal prosecution against these traitors to our nation."

My full statement on the declassified memo: pic.twitter.com/eRo6ugpWQ9 (https://t.co/eRo6ugpWQ9)
— Rep. Paul Gosar, DDS (@RepGosar) February 2, 2018 (https://twitter.com/RepGosar/status/959508977095602176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) Meanwhile, Georgia GOP Gubernatorial candidate Sen. Michael Williams is calling for the prosecution of Comey - saying he should be "sent to prison for his crimes":

"The leadership of the FBI and DOJ behaved in a way we would expect of the former Soviet Union, not the United States of America. I applaud Representative Nunes and other Republican members of the House Intel Committee for fighting and exposing corruption. Americans are tired of corrupt bureaucrats and their career politician enablers. If powerful leaders are not held accountable, the American people will never regain faith in the institutions meant to protect us. Former FBI Director James Comey was entrusted with one of the most powerful positions in the world. Sadly, he intentionally abused his power in an effort to destroy Donald Trump's presidency. He should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and sent to prison for his crimes. No one is above the law. No one."




More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-02/gop-rep-seek-criminal-prosecution-fbi-doj-officials-full-throated-illegal

TheCount
02-02-2018, 11:35 PM
Zippy and TheCount maybe?

Where the hell are they?
I'm 9 time zones away, as usual. Not about to set an alarm for memo-o-clock.

TheCount
02-02-2018, 11:37 PM
They had to cave to public demand otherwise they would look like crooks themselves.
Whatever you think of the contents of the memo, this is patently untrue. They wrote the memo, leaked that it existed, and then pretended to resist releasing it in the face of the pressure that they themselves had engineered.

TheCount
02-02-2018, 11:44 PM
Procedure calls for starting new threads in order to forum slide. Responding in this thread is to be avoided to keep it from being bumped.
Ah so now even mods are getting in on the accusations.

Swordsmyth
02-02-2018, 11:49 PM
Ah so now even mods are getting in on the accusations.

Maybe you shouldn't be so obvious.

undergroundrr
02-02-2018, 11:52 PM
Ah so now even mods are getting in on the accusations.

Not one of the better moments in the 10 1/2 years I've been here.

TheCount
02-02-2018, 11:53 PM
Maybe you shouldn't be so obvious. Obvious in what, opposing authoritarian nationalists? This may come as a shock to you, but it's possible to disagree with you without being paid for it. Trumpism is not universally appealing.

Swordsmyth
02-02-2018, 11:56 PM
Obvious in what, opposing authoritarian nationalists? This may come as a shock to you, but it's possible to disagree with you without being paid for it. Trumpism is not universally appealing.

Obvious about stirring up trouble with no purpose and promoting policies and narratives that are destructive to the movement and the country.

Zippy is the only frequent poster who is more ham-handed than you.

Swordsmyth
02-02-2018, 11:59 PM
I'm 9 time zones away, as usual. Not about to set an alarm for memo-o-clock.

You should ask your supervisor for a transfer back to CONUS unless it will interfere with whatever operation took you overseas.

TheCount
02-03-2018, 12:06 AM
Obvious about stirring up trouble with no purposeBy opposing your viewpoint? That's not stirring up trouble, that's debate. Leaving your deceptive and outright fraudulent quotewalls without comment would be worse.



and promoting policies and narratives that are destructive to the movement and the country.

In other words, opposing authoritarian nationalism, like I said. That is not harmful to the liberty movement or to the nation.




Zippy is the only frequent poster who is more ham-handed than you. From your point of view, perhaps. There are quite a few Trumpkins who can be counted on for boundless support for their god emperor no matter what twisted logic must be used or outlandish positions must be taken in order to support the unsupportable.

r3volution 3.0
02-03-2018, 12:07 AM
https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/33829483/distractions-distractions-everywhere.jpg

This is only a partisan foodfight, like the Russia investigation, birtherism, or blowjobgate.

It won't put chickens in pots, un-bomb any civilians, or lower the yield on the 10Y.

But carry on..

TheCount
02-03-2018, 12:11 AM
https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/33829483/distractions-distractions-everywhere.jpg

This is only a partisan foodfight, like the Russia investigation, birtherism, or blowjobgate.

It won't put chickens in pots, un-bomb any civilians, or lower the yield on the 10Y.

But carry on..
You're right, of course.

Swordsmyth
02-03-2018, 12:18 AM
https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/33829483/distractions-distractions-everywhere.jpg

This is only a partisan foodfight, like the Russia investigation, birtherism, or blowjobgate.

It won't put chickens in pots, un-bomb any civilians, or lower the yield on the 10Y.

But carry on..


You're right, of course.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/47886341/pay-no-attention-to-the-man-behind-the-curtain.jpg

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-Pt694QDAx6Y%2FUIqWGxt2GGI%2FAAAAAAAAAaw%2FtDRxI0-5lRo%2Fs1600%2Ftrustinme.JPG&f=1

r3volution 3.0
02-03-2018, 12:20 AM
Tell me @Swordsmyth (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=65299), what will be the practical effect on government policy, vis a vis liberty, of this news/any resulting investigation?

Will spending be cut? Regulations eliminated? Money made more sound? Wars ended?

...or will it only help Trump in the next week's news cycle (distracting from above issues), and bump his approval rating a third of a point?

Swordsmyth
02-03-2018, 12:23 AM
Tell me @Swordsmyth (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=65299), what will be the practical effect on government policy, vis a vis liberty, of this news/any resulting investigation?

Will spending be cut? Regulations eliminated? Money made more sound? Wars ended?

...or will it only help Trump in the next week's news cycle, and bump his approval rating a third of a point?

It depends on whether or not people actually go to prison.

r3volution 3.0
02-03-2018, 12:24 AM
It depends on whether or not people actually go to prison.

What happens if people go to prison?

Swordsmyth
02-03-2018, 12:30 AM
What happens if people go to prison?

The Demoncrat machine loses a great deal of power and the Swampublicans are left without their best excuse for breaking their campaign promises, that in turn will result in them either being forced to cut taxes/regulations/spending plus do all the other reforms they have been letting the Demoncrats block or be exposed for what they are so that the voters clean out the Republican party.

r3volution 3.0
02-03-2018, 12:32 AM
The Demoncrat machine loses a great deal of power

The generic congressional ballot drops a bit, probably temporarily


and the Swampublicans are left without their best excuse for breaking their campaign promises, that in turn will result in them either being forced to cut taxes/regulations/spending plus do all the other reforms they have been letting the Demoncrats block or be exposed for what they are so that the voters clean out the Republican party.

This I don't follow at all...

Swordsmyth
02-03-2018, 12:40 AM
The generic congressional ballot drops a bit, probably temporarily
That depends on who goes to prison.




This I don't follow at all...

The Swampublicans favorite excuse is that they don't have the votes to do anything, the Senate filibuster being the prime example, all sorts of vile compromises and failures that they actually want can be blamed on the enemy without losing too any votes or donations.

They will also lose the "lesser of two evils" and the "he can't win but our chosen candidate can" arguments that they love to use against liberty candidates if the Demoncrats are weakened enough.

TheCount
02-03-2018, 12:41 AM
Tell me @Swordsmyth (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=65299), what will be the practical effect on government policy, vis a vis liberty, of this news/any resulting investigation?

Will spending be cut? Regulations eliminated? Money made more sound? Wars ended?

...or will it only help Trump in the next week's news cycle (distracting from above issues), and bump his approval rating a third of a point?
Given that this memo is entirely designed to impugn the origins of the investigation without at all casting any doubt as to the material that the investigation has discovered, I would say that the practical result is to protect someone or several people from whatever the investigation either recently discovered or was about to discover. It also times well with Trump's agreement to meet with Mueller, such that he may be able to simultaneously say that he is willing to be deposed, and thereby avoid the appearance of guilt, while refusing to interact with a "biased" investigation.

Considering Nunes' relationship with Trump and his past actions, the whole thing seems like a mere extension of the ongoing effort to discredit the investigation. Business as usual, in other words.

If the memo has any merit whatsoever, then, it highlights a failure of the known-poor FISA court system: the court only knows what the government tells it and there's no real defense. As such, the government can give an entirely uncritical justification to the court and receive a warrant. This is why the approval rate is so incredibly high.

However, this cannot be a true concern for Trump's water carriers, as they just reapproved FISA without a peep despite knowing full well that it had been used to surveil Trump's campaign.

This is a refutation of a single wiretap, and not of the entire flawed system that created it. To answer your question, then, nothing of import will change.

Swordsmyth
02-03-2018, 12:45 AM
Given that this memo is entirely designed to impugn the origins of the investigation without at all casting any doubt as to the material that the investigation has discovered, I would say that the practical result is to protect someone or several people from whatever the investigation either recently discovered or was about to discover. It also times well with Trump's agreement to meet with Mueller, such that he may be able to simultaneously say that he is willing to be deposed, and thereby avoid the appearance of guilt, while refusing to interact with a "biased" investigation.

Considering Nunes' relationship with Trump and his past actions, the whole thing seems like a mere extension of the ongoing effort to discredit the investigation. Business as usual, in other words.

If the memo has any merit whatsoever, then, it highlights a failure of the known-poor FISA court system: the court only knows what the government tells it and there's no real defense. As such, the government can give an entirely uncritical justification to the court and receive a warrant. This is why the approval rate is so incredibly high.

However, this cannot be a true concern for Trump's water carriers, as they just reapproved FISA without a peep despite knowing full well that it had been used to surveil Trump's campaign.

This is a refutation of a single wiretap, and not of the entire flawed system that created it. To answer your question, then, nothing of import will change.

Sorry but there is no "there" there, even Strzok said so:

Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson, the chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, said in a radio interview that the FBI’s top agent on the Trump-Russia investigation, Peter Strzok, sent what Johnson called a "jaw-dropping" text message last year that suggests he saw no evidence of Trump campaign collusion.
As first reported by the Daily Caller's Chuck Ross (http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/23/in-jaw-dropping-text-peter-strzok-expressed-concern-about-joining-mueller-team/), in an interview with WISN-Milwaukee radio host Jay Weber (https://www.iheart.com/podcast/477-WISN-Clips-28429450/episode/sen-ron-johnson-drops-a-bombshell-28860177/), Johnson read aloud a May 19, 2017 text that Strzok sent to Lisa Page, an FBI lawyer and his mistress.
As Weber summarized (https://www.iheart.com/podcast/477-WISN-Clips-28429450/episode/sen-ron-johnson-drops-a-bombshell-28860177/), "Sen Ron Johnson tells me he's discovered a text from Peter Strzok 2 days after the Mueller investigation in which he questions whether he wants to be part of it because he believes 'there's nothing there'. No collusion."

The Strozk text verbatim on joining the Mueller investigation: May 19th, 2017- 'You and I both know the odds are nothing. If I thought it was likely, I'd be there no question. I hesitate in part because of my gut sense and concern that there's no big there there.'
— Jay Weber (@JayWeber3) January 23, 2018 (https://twitter.com/JayWeber3/status/955804973996171264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
Here is the "jawdropping" text message that Strzok wrote just two days after Mueller was named special counsel for the Russia Investigation:

"You and I both know the odds are nothing. If I thought it was likely, I’d be there no question. I hesitate in part because of my gut sense and concern that there’s no big there there."

Sen Ron Johnson drops a bombshell on The Jay Weber Show
#TheJayWeberShow (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheJayWeberShow?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) https://t.co/vcD0EqtqNy
— News/Talk 1130 WISN (@newstalk1130) January 23, 2018 (https://twitter.com/newstalk1130/status/955810346702434306?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
Johnson said that the text referred to the Mueller investigation, which had kicked off two days earlier. Strzok joined that team, but was removed in July after the Justice Department’s inspector general discovered his anti-Trump text exchanges with Page.
As the FBI’s deputy counterintelligence chief, Strzok had been picked in July 2016 to oversee the investigation into possible Trump campaign collusion with the Russian government; in other words the text message came almost one year after the anti-Trump FBI agent had already done preliminary work on whether there was any Trump collusion. Prior to that, he was a top investigator on the Clinton email inquiry.
“I think that’s kind of jaw-dropping,” said Johnson, a Republican, said of the Strzok text.
“In other words, Peter Strzok, who was the FBI deputy assistant director of the counterintelligence division, the man who had a plan to do something because he just couldn’t abide Donald Trump being president, is saying that his gut sense is that there’s no big there there when it comes to the Mueller special counsel investigation,” Johnson explained.

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...llusion-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-23/jaw-dropping-text-message-fbi-agent-suggests-no-trump-collusion-russia)

r3volution 3.0
02-03-2018, 12:53 AM
The Swampublicans favorite excuse is that they don't have the votes to do anything, the Senate filibuster being the prime example, all sorts of vile compromises and failures that they actually want can be blamed on the enemy without losing too any votes or donations.

That's true, but I'm fairly certain that they'd just cook up some other excuse if ever they had 60 votes. The reality is that there's no serious political pressure from their constituents to behave differently. On the other hand, a loss of GOP seats in the House would actually empower people like Amash and Massie to kill bills (e.g. debt ceiling hikes). Regardless, this week's scandal isn't going to have a meaningful effect on the mid-terms anyway (no one's going to prison).

r3volution 3.0
02-03-2018, 12:54 AM
Given that this memo is entirely designed to impugn the origins of the investigation without at all casting any doubt as to the material that the investigation has discovered, I would say that the practical result is to protect someone or several people from whatever the investigation either recently discovered or was about to discover. It also times well with Trump's agreement to meet with Mueller, such that he may be able to simultaneously say that he is willing to be deposed, and thereby avoid the appearance of guilt, while refusing to interact with a "biased" investigation.

Considering Nunes' relationship with Trump and his past actions, the whole thing seems like a mere extension of the ongoing effort to discredit the investigation. Business as usual, in other words.

If the memo has any merit whatsoever, then, it highlights a failure of the known-poor FISA court system: the court only knows what the government tells it and there's no real defense. As such, the government can give an entirely uncritical justification to the court and receive a warrant. This is why the approval rate is so incredibly high.

However, this cannot be a true concern for Trump's water carriers, as they just reapproved FISA without a peep despite knowing full well that it had been used to surveil Trump's campaign.

This is a refutation of a single wiretap, and not of the entire flawed system that created it. To answer your question, then, nothing of import will change.

I'll defer on the details to someone who's been paying attention to them, but the underlined is very clearly true.

TheCount
02-03-2018, 01:40 AM
Sorry but there is no "there" there, even Strzok said so:

The topic is the memo. The memo says nothing about the contents of the investigation, only its background and actions which were conducted before the investigation even began. The fact that a supposedly hyper partisan FBI agent whose alleged purpose in joining the investigation was to take down Trump... was hesitant to join the investigation because he didn't think that Trump had done anything is entirely another matter.

Can you agree with my conclusion that the purpose of the memo is not to provoke a fundamental overhaul of the surveillance state?

Swordsmyth
02-03-2018, 01:47 AM
The topic is the memo. The memo says nothing about the contents of the investigation, only its background and actions which were conducted before the investigation even began.
Which speaks volumes about the worthlessness of it's contents, DJTvsg isn't the least bit worried about the Russiagate witch hunt.


Can you agree with my conclusion that the purpose of the memo is not to provoke a fundamental overhaul of the surveillance state?

That remains to be seen, however the recent FISA vote doesn't bode well, the purpose appears to be to clean the Demoncrat fanatics out of the FBI and DOJ etc. and hopefully send a few Dems to prison.

Swordsmyth
02-03-2018, 01:57 AM
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timosman
02-03-2018, 02:03 AM
I'll defer on the details to someone who's been paying attention to them, but the underlined is very clearly true.

You're so eloquent!

goldenequity
02-03-2018, 02:53 AM
Lionel @ 2am.... good black coffee & pistachios :D



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doOztgjJBdY

juleswin
02-03-2018, 03:02 AM
https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/33829483/distractions-distractions-everywhere.jpg

This is only a partisan foodfight, like the Russia investigation, birtherism, or blowjobgate.

It won't put chickens in pots, un-bomb any civilians, or lower the yield on the 10Y.

But carry on..

Emphasis!!! drama!! f*ck off!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeQfAsgLa3o

This is soap opera for people who too busy to watch the real ones on TV. Political drama to give the people an illusion that those people in Washington are on different sides.

TheCount
02-03-2018, 04:37 AM
Which speaks volumes about the worthlessness of it's contents, DJTvsg isn't the least bit worried about the Russiagate witch hunt.

"Not the least bit worried" fails to explain all of the actions he, the administration, and the party have taken. People who were "not the least bit worried" would not act in such a way.



and hopefully send a few Dems to prison.

For what crime?

nikcers
02-03-2018, 04:42 AM
For what crime?
This is America, we don't need to charge someone before we can lock them up indefinitely.

Anti Federalist
02-03-2018, 04:49 AM
This is soap opera for people who too busy to watch the real ones on TV. Political drama to give the people an illusion that those people in Washington are on different sides.

On some issues there are quantifiable and readily identified differences.

Some of those issues are ones I care a great deal about: guns, environmental regulations, homeschooling, to name three off the top of my head.

I'll give credit and support where due and justified.

Scorn and derision where justified as well.

So, based on that, I find myself generally in agreement with a "generic" Republican much more often than a "generic" Democrat.

YMMV

TheCount
02-03-2018, 05:20 AM
This is America, we don't need to charge someone before we can lock them up indefinitely.
John Doe American Citizen is still nameless and detained in Iraq. Going on 5 months.

Slave Mentality
02-03-2018, 05:44 AM
On some issues there are quantifiable and readily identified differences.

Some of those issues are ones I care a great deal about: guns, environmental regulations, homeschooling, to name three off the top of my head.

I'll give credit and support where due and justified.

Scorn and derision where justified as well.

So, based on that, I find myself generally in agreement with a "generic" Republican much more often than a "generic" Democrat.

YMMV

That’s a big part of their scam. The only differences are on the surface to keep the masses nodding their heads in approval to “agendas”. See our current guns, drugs, money, and healthcare laws just to name a few. A few more are war, prison, and land ownership policies. My Police State has been run by (R)s for generations now. The beat marches on.

Show me something other than mealy mouthed promises and fake votes and I may concede my extremely negative views towards our handlers.

I almost hold the (R)s with the most disdain. At least the (D)s don’t hide their complete disregard to my individual liberty.

AuH20
02-03-2018, 07:19 AM
Trump's election was a flashpoint for exposing this uniparty deception. Priebus was the one who essentially installed Rod Rosenstein to assistant AG. Once you start asking yourself why Rosenstein is aiding the deep state, then you will have your answers. Foot soldiers for the Clinton and Bush crime families maintain the status quo at all costs. There are no real parties, with a fraction of real Republicans trapped & disabled behind a facade of slogans & a complex web of patronage.

Jan2017
02-03-2018, 07:32 AM
The FBI and CIA Failed Coup Against Trump Unravels
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/02/the-fbi-and-cia-failed-coup-against-trump-unravels-by-publius-tacitus.html

Current and former members of the FBI and the Department of Justice who signed off on applications to the
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court seem to be facing contempt of court charges.
Who? James Comey, Andy McCabe, Sally Yates, Dana Boente and Rob Rosenstein.
The effectively lied to a Federal judge. That is not only stupid but illegal.

The first FISA warrant was obtained on 21 October 2016
Hillary Clinton campaign is mentioned in the memo.
The FBI signers of the FISA applications/renewals were James Comey and Andy McCabe.
The DOJ signers of the FISA applications/renewals were Sally Yates, Dana Boente and Rod Rosenstein.
Even after Steele was terminated by the FBI, he remained in contact with Deputy Attorney General Bruce Our,
whose wife worked for FUSION GPS and was involved with the Steele dossier.

Brennan and Comey's tweets yesterday decrying the memo implies a larger battle ahead.
The Dems were claiming that releasing the memo was an attack on law enforcement and US national security. Today they claim the memo is a nothingburger.

Is there additional evidence that was in the warrant that Nunes didn't mention in his memo because he knew it
would be really hard for that evidence to be declassified?

Who were the "intelligence officials" briefing the select members of the House and Senate? That will be one of the next shoes to drop.
We are likely to learn in the coming days that John Brennan and Jim Clapper were also trying to help the FBI build a fallacious case against Trump.
The rats will start scrambling in earnest for the lifeboats. The Trump coup has failed.

The question to me is still who came up with the whole idea of commissioning Steele to write up "Russian dirt"?
Clapper? Brennan? One of their British friends?
GPS Fusion had earlier collected opposition research dirt on Trump but only after the Dems started paying for it did they hire Steele.
Who came up with this idea?

AuH20
02-03-2018, 07:33 AM
'Pappy, I think we can keep him tangled for a few years with our operatives. The excessive hair dye may have affected his cognitive abilities'


https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/151105063603-george-w-bush-george-h-w-bush-super-169.jpg

Jan2017
02-03-2018, 07:40 AM
Trump's election was a flashpoint for exposing this uniparty deception.
... why Rosenstein is aiding the deep state, then you will have your answers. Foot soldiers for the Clinton and Bush crime families maintain the status quo at all costs.

Rosenstein and McCabe made similar bad moves about the Uranium One deal to protect Bill and Hillary Clinton -
I'll call them seditious conspirators against the Government of the US.
If convicted, they could also lose the possibility to ever work for the United States.
McCabe can lose his pension, and be a lopper in prison for 57 cents an hour instead.

AuH20
02-03-2018, 07:44 AM
Who's out of touch now? More than ten years ago.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SZKLvEOp9c

Jan2017
02-03-2018, 07:49 AM
Who's out of touch now? More than ten years ago.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SZKLvEOp9c

RP in 2008 campaign . . . We can have intelligence but "We have to have intelligent people interpreting this information".

AZJoe
02-03-2018, 08:05 AM
The topic is the memo. The memo says nothing about the contents of the investigation, only its background

Except that the memo reveals that that the entire underlying basis for the "investigation begun by the FBI and handed off to Mueller, the dossier, was a political creation, funded by political opponents to pay a highly partisan hack to bribe anonymous sources to manufacture invidious rumors about the political opposition, of which none of negative aspersions were confirmed true; that the FBI and DOJ parties were aware the partisan nature of the dossier and its creation and its lack of credibility; that the FBI additionally funded the hack to procure more rumors as part of the early stages of the investigation; that the FISA warrants obtained to spy on political opposition as part of the early investigation were based on the uncredible, politically funded, manufactured dossier; that the FBI and DOJ investigators handling the early stages of the investigation were additionally highly partisan and politically motivated; that FBI investigators themselves did not even believe the accusations.

So almost everything in the memo says massive heaps about the investigation.

AZJoe
02-03-2018, 08:11 AM
Given that this memo is entirely designed to impugn the origins of the investigation without at all casting any doubt as to the material that the investigation has discovered,

Count still living in delusion land. What "material"? The "investigation" has been going on for two year and has uncovered - nada, zilch, zip, zero, nothing, other than to reveal actual felonious crimes by people in the FBI, DOJ.

phill4paul
02-03-2018, 08:14 AM
Count still living in delusion land. What "material"? The "investigation" has been going on for two year and has uncovered - nada, zilch, zip, zero, nothing, other than to reveal actual felonious crimes by people in the FBI, DOJ.

That's because it is a gift that can keep on giving. Why the hell would they want to wrap it up and call it a day? A little leak here, a little leak there, Russia, Russia, Russia!

donnay
02-03-2018, 08:20 AM
WATERGATE X1000: What The MSM Is Hoping YOU Ignore About FISA MEMO Is More Than Dangerous, It’s TERRIFYING
by Lucian Wintrich


The now-infamous memo was FINALLY released today! What we all have been too patiently waiting for. With the release of the memo, we finally have proof that, without a shadow of a doubt, the Clinton machine, powered by the Obama Administration, using the DNC as its main appendage, funded the creation of a false dossier, that they simultaneously leaked to the press and sold to the FBI, and then pressured top government employees to turn that into a FISA warrant, and more broadly into what the MSM refers to as the “Russia Investigation”. Do you remember following each step of the way? When the MSM was telling you that the Clinton investigation would be dismissed, that “Trump/Russia collusion” was what you *really needed to be worried about*? Well – again – with the release of this memo, it proves that the entire narrative was PAID FOR BY THE DNC, OKAYED BY OBAMA, and then FUNNELED TO THE LEFT-CONTROLLED MAINSTREAM MEDIA.

This is blatant and rampant government corruption and it all points to the Left, it spells out to the American public what many in right-leaning media have been saying for two years now. It is a MAJOR victory, but it’s bittersweet. While many of us in the media, who have read and interacted with these people on a day-to-day basis, knew the elaborate scheme and continued to write about it – seeing the FBI, itself, fully aware of the criminality and attempt to dismiss it alongside leading Democrats and media figures in the past 24-hours, causes immense alarm. Have top branches of our government — that are supposedly nonpartisan, that have access to the information of every US citizen — under 8-years of Obama, truly become this corrupt?

Hillary Clinton, her campaign, and the DNC manufactured a completely false dossier, which led to the United States government, under the Obama administration, spying on Trump staffers. The DNC paid for the Steele dossier and then used their Obama administration contacts to say that it’s grounds for an investigation. Because the document was unsubstantiated and they needed a second source to justify spying on American citizens, so what did they do? The same people behind the dossier “leaked” the inaccurate and unsubstantiated information to Yahoo! News, which ultimately to lead to the FISA warrant… Which then led to the MSM as a whole reporting on the investigation as valid, all to thwart the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump. See how that worked? But the scheme didn’t end there…

The information from the ongoing investigation – that was started from these false espionage “reports” – was THEN illegally (again) leaked to the press in an attempt to steer public opinion toward the impeachment of now elected President Trump. This is supposed to be OUR government, working for all Americans, and we have just seen plain as day that for years it was working purely as an arm of the DNC.

In hindsight, it’s obvious – as if it wasn’t already – that president Trump was targeted during the election. They were seriously worried and so they took measures to ease their minds. The MSM kept saying that the Right was whining about the surveillance, about the collusion, it was obvious . . . And then the Russia narrative exploded onto the scene and suddenly the entire discussion had been flipped.

The memo is exactly what all of the voices on the Right were shouting about and reporting on for a year. We were called “conspiracy theorists” and were labeled tinfoil hat-wearing fools by the mainstream media – and yet we were right.

What the memo did, and what the fallout will expand upon, is expose the FBI, DNC, DOJ, and the MSM for the deceptive, manipulative forces that they are. The mainstream media colluded with the DNC who were colluding with the FBI and CLINTON is at the center of it all.

These supposedly neutral government agencies acted and functioned as wings and branches of the DNC under the Obama administration and now they’re a deeply entrenched machine that’s proved difficult to break up. Heads need to role and a restructuring of all these departments needs to be seen if any restoration of trust in our government is to happen.

The MSM, in the aftermath of the memo’s release, complained that it was all a “coordinated distraction” from the “Russia Investigation”. The memo revealed the truth and it has placed the “Russia Investigation” in sunlight – it’s a scam and always was. Everyone who covered this up should be horrified and I’m quite sure they are. Heads undoubtedly will roll.

What president Obama established is a precedent of abuse that can lead to tyranny. Had Hillary Clinton been elected and then another Democrat after her, the cycle would be complete and the Democrats would have secured a tyrannical, monopolistic control over the nation. This would happen if a conservative wanted to consolidate the power of the government agencies for their own benefit. Our intelligence agencies are being weaponized by the people at the highest rungs of our government.

A note to MSM Liberals: Imagine that after Donald Trump’s 8 years and your influence in our government fades, a Big Brother Neo-Con like Romney is elected. Romney decides to not only allow the surveillance of your preferred political candidates and their staff, but he allows the surveillance of YOU, as originally normalized and established by Obama. Would you feel safe? By failing to report on this accurately, is this the precedent you want to set?
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/02/watergate-x1000-msm-continues-ignore-fisa-memo-dangerous-terrifying/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

Dark_Horse_Rider
02-03-2018, 08:29 AM
Except that the memo reveals that that the entire underlying basis for the "investigation begun by the FBI and handed off to Mueller, the dossier, was a political creation, funded by political opponents to pay a highly partisan hack to bribe anonymous sources to manufacture invidious rumors about the political opposition, of which none of negative aspersions were confirmed true; that the FBI and DOJ parties were aware the partisan nature of the dossier and its creation and its lack of credibility; that the FBI additionally funded the hack to procure more rumors as part of the early stages of the investigation; that the FISA warrants obtained to spy on political opposition as part of the early investigation were based on the uncredible, politically funded, manufactured dossier; that the FBI and DOJ investigators handling the early stages of the investigation were additionally highly partisan and politically motivated; that FBI investigators themselves did not even believe the accusations.

So almost everything in the memo says massive heaps about the investigation.

Thank god for people that can actually see what is happening and not be tricked / distracted by the many talking heads or internet trolls !!!

+ Rep

AZJoe
02-03-2018, 08:42 AM
FBI/CIA Failed Coup, Publius Summarizes Memo Critical Points (http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/02/the-fbi-and-cia-failed-coup-against-trump-unravels-by-publius-tacitus.html)

Based on the memo (https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/memo_and_white_house_letter.pdf) … current and former members of the FBI and the Department of Justice who signed off on applications to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court will likely face contempt of court charges. … James Comey, Andy McCabe, Sally Yates, Dana Boente and Rob Rosenstein. They effectively lied to a Federal judge. That is not only stupid but illegal. …


The Steele Dossier played a critical role in obtaining approval from the FISA court to carry out surveillance of Carter Page …
Christopher Steele was getting paid by the DNC and the FBI for the same information.
No one at either the FBI nor the DOJ disclosed to the court that the Steele dossier was paid for by an opposition political campaign.
The first FISA warrant was obtained on 21 October 2016 based on a story written by Michael Isikoff for Yahoo News (https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-s-intel-officials-probe-ties-between-trump-adviser-and-kremlin-175046002.html) based on information he received directly from Christopher Steele--THE FBI DID NOT DISCLOSE IN THE FISA APPLICATION THAT STEELE WAS THE ORIGINAL SOURCE OF THE INFORMATION. ...

If you go back and read carefully what Isikoff reported in September 2016 it appears that the CIA and the DNI (as well as the FBI) are implicated in spreading the disinformation about Trump and Russia. …

Who were the "intelligence officials" briefing the select members of the House and Senate? That will be one of the next shoes to drop. We are likely to learn in the coming days that John Brennan and Jim Clapper were also trying to help the FBI build a fallacious case ...

------------------

The FISA Memo also reveals that in order to corroborate the discredited Steele dossier, the FBI “extensively” cited a news article from Yahoo [B]that was based entirely on the dossier (http://theduran.com/stunning-evidence-that-fbi-used-a-yahoo-article-to-obtain-fisa-warrant-to-spy-on-carter-page-video/).

otherone
02-03-2018, 08:49 AM
While many of us in the media, who have read and interacted with these people on a day-to-day basis, knew the elaborate scheme and continued to write about it – seeing the FBI, itself, fully aware of the criminality and attempt to dismiss it alongside leading Democrats and media figures in the past 24-hours, causes immense alarm. Have top branches of our government — that are supposedly nonpartisan, that have access to the information of every US citizen — under 8-years of Obama, truly become this corrupt?

No. They were corrupt before Obama. They've been corrupt since their inception. The DNC is/was the current face of the "nonpartisan" deep state. Like the Neoconservative GOP before it, as evidenced by the "conservative" pundits in lock-step with the whiny progs in full damage control mode this morning.

TheCount
02-03-2018, 08:53 AM
Except that the memo reveals that that the entire underlying basis for the "investigation begun by the FBI and handed off to Mueller, the dossier, was a political creation, funded by political opponents to pay a highly partisan hack to bribe anonymous sources to manufacture invidious rumors about the political opposition, of which none of negative aspersions were confirmed true;

The Benghazi investigations lasted four years. There were more than a half dozen separate inquiries, which cost millions of dollars. They resulted in precisely nothing.

Welcome to DC. This is exceedingly normal.

AuH20
02-03-2018, 08:54 AM
Read up on Bush with his Stellar Wind violations. This is bipartisan treachery that has been institutionalized for many decades. Neocons and the neoprogs are brothers when you strip it all down.

acptulsa
02-03-2018, 09:06 AM
Maybe you shouldn't be so obvious.


Obvious about stirring up trouble with no purpose and promoting policies and narratives that are destructive to the movement and the country.

Zippy is the only frequent poster who is more ham-handed than you.

Maybe you should move out of that glass house, or keep those stones in your pocket.

Partisanship serves only the powerful, and is a bane to the nation and its people. And your promotion of blind partisanship is not exactly subtle. Partisanship is good for one thing, and one thing only--it allows the total megalomaniacs like Richard Nixon and Hillary Clinton to go off the deep end and totally destroy themselves. But far more harm gets done by partisanship, as people compromise their principles, their well-being and their freedoms, and stand for it because 'at least their team won'.

The troll playing the "bad cop" is supposed to be more ham-handed than the troll playing "good cop". So why are you being as ham-handed as Zippy?

AZJoe
02-03-2018, 09:11 AM
959487918397165570

AZJoe
02-03-2018, 10:32 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=269&v=_RMSO74NaMs

pcosmar
02-03-2018, 10:44 AM
Originally Posted by TheCount
Given that this memo is entirely designed to impugn the origins of the investigation without at all casting any doubt as to the material that the investigation has discovered,

The Origins of the investigation..? I think that is the point.. or one of them.

And what is Law Enforcement's role in Perpetuating and Broadcasting this False story?

Anti Federalist
02-03-2018, 10:58 AM
Show me something other than mealy mouthed promises and fake votes and I may concede my extremely negative views towards our handlers.

Guns.

I'm old enough to remember when there was serious talk and legislation being considered that would have totally banned all handguns at the federal level.

Sales, possession and use...banned, outright.

Now there are a dozen states with "constitutional carry", almost every state has some form of handgun carry permit system, SCOTUS has ruled that Second Amendment does mean individual citizens have a right to KABA, local total bans have been struck down, and violent crime is at record low levels.

Brother, I feel your frustration and anger at the current situation as much as anybody and I share it as well.

All I'm saying is that there can still be progress made on the political front, and Republicans, for all their backstabbing, stupidity, fecklessness and faults, are where "our" allies naturally are.

There is a reason Ron was a Republican for almost his entire political career.

The Democrat party, and their fellow travelers, have truly turned themselves over to a form of Red Soviet Bolshevism that is, frankly, alarming. Rand for example, has been the victim of not one, but two assassination attempts so far.

I'm far from a "rah rah" straw hat wearing "party faithful" type of guy, but credit where it is due, allies in a dangerous a lonely battlefield and at least some form of common goal is all I am looking for at this point.

AuH20
02-03-2018, 11:04 AM
So funny watching this, in light of the concrete evidence. Corporate media should just close shop.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD8Fv8fYDSM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6Nb0Nc-fME

Jan2017
02-03-2018, 11:30 AM
In 1955, a grand jury returned a one-count indictment charging violation of the seditious conspiracy statute 18 U.S.C. Section 2384
to members of a political organization opposing the authority of the United States.

All seventeen defendants were members of the National Party of Puerto Rico.

Pistols were used in an attack by four individuals upon Congressman in which five members of the House of Representatives were wounded,
the pistols were purchased by the Chicago "junta" and delivered to the New York group, and there were plans uncovered to assassinate Truman at Blair House in Washington, DC.

The evidence was sufficient to permit a jury to find a single continuous conspiracy operating at least from from September 1950 to 1954, the period covered by the indictment.

There was a government informer (Sorrell) with "no recollection" of certain discussions that could have been used in a defense
for at least some of the 17 defendants, as there were four gunman that used force.

"The judgments of conviction are affirmed" at United States of America v. Lebron, Miranda, et al. 222 F2d 531(Second Circuit) 1955


There has been organization and force used against members of the GOP - the baseball practice gunman had asked if this was a GOP baseball practice.
A train carrying GOP members of Congress collides with a truck.

One point I take from the 1955 conviction of seventeen defendants on a single count of conspiracy is that all seventeen
did not need to use "force" to be convicted of seditious conspiracy.

Also, check out the "no recollection" litany of Hillary Rodham Clinton FBI interview . . .

Hillary Clinton FBI 302 -V2-6
https://www.scribd.com/document/322851482/Hillary-Clinton-FBI-302-V2-6?irgwc=1&content=10079&campaign=Skimbit%2C%20Ltd.&ad_group=75723X1525906Xa7398391339953ce150389b0726 d0fed&keyword=ft750noi&source=impactradius&medium=affiliate

AuH20
02-03-2018, 12:16 PM
Rosenstein looks like a flunky too.

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/957350599116447747/B5SlLjeK?format=jpg&name=600x314

AZJoe
02-03-2018, 12:19 PM
959508977095602176

juleswin
02-03-2018, 01:19 PM
On some issues there are quantifiable and readily identified differences.

Some of those issues are ones I care a great deal about: guns, environmental regulations, homeschooling, to name three off the top of my head.

I'll give credit and support where due and justified.

Scorn and derision where justified as well.

So, based on that, I find myself generally in agreement with a "generic" Republican much more often than a "generic" Democrat.

YMMV

Don't get me wrong, when I say the 2 teams in Washington are on the same side, I don't mean to say they are identical or they have no differences. So yes there are differences between the 2 and the average American can easily identify and appreciate the policies of one side. I also think the real powers that be have given these presidents a little leeway to strike out on some issues that are of little consequence. Think Obama not attacking Assad directly when the deep state were calling for it or Trump canceling my Obamacare penalty etc etc. And believe me, I recognize those instances when they do good.

My problem is not that they sometimes do go but it lies in the fact (yes fact) that they both work for the same people and to that I will not give any credit when they decide to show me some mercy. I see then for the totality of the harm they inflict on me and society and if that is negative, I say fu^k em. Its like a prostitute giving credit to her pimp because he did not beat her than one day and instead wined and dinned her while keeping her captive.

seapilot
02-03-2018, 01:51 PM
Guns.

I'm old enough to remember when there was serious talk and legislation being considered that would have totally banned all handguns at the federal level.

Sales, possession and use...banned, outright.

Now there are a dozen states with "constitutional carry", almost every state has some form of handgun carry permit system, SCOTUS has ruled that Second Amendment does mean individual citizens have a right to KABA, local total bans have been struck down, and violent crime is at record low levels.

Brother, I feel your frustration and anger at the current situation as much as anybody and I share it as well.

All I'm saying is that there can still be progress made on the political front, and Republicans, for all their backstabbing, stupidity, fecklessness and faults, are where "our" allies naturally are.

There is a reason Ron was a Republican for almost his entire political career.

The Democrat party, and their fellow travelers, have truly turned themselves over to a form of Red Soviet Bolshevism that is, frankly, alarming. Rand for example, has been the victim of not one, but two assassination attempts so far.

I'm far from a "rah rah" straw hat wearing "party faithful" type of guy, but credit where it is due, allies in a dangerous a lonely battlefield and at least some form of common goal is all I am looking for at this point.

AF you are too rational. Its all or nothing don't you know? :)

Rational is good. Logic is good.

Swordsmyth
02-03-2018, 02:00 PM
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fvignette1.wikia.nocookie.net%2Fdi sney%2Fimages%2Fd%2Fda%2FDopey_transparent.png%2Fr evision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20151111070505&f=1

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenation.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F06%2Fsessions_russia_se nate_ap_img.jpg&f=1
Sessions: Rosenstein is leadership we wantAttorney General Jeff Sessions said that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein represents the "kind of quality and leadership that we want in the department."


http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/02/02/sessions-rachel-brand-rod-rosenstein-quality-of-leadership-sot.cnn

Danke
02-03-2018, 02:11 PM
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSZ8GeloJDDVojAURrrgJdwUCN5HuCiv ryy7IHI5McJdycxyDbQ4Q

Swordsmyth
02-03-2018, 02:19 PM
Nunes: FISA Memo Just "Phase One," Now Targeting State Department In "Phase Two"https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-03/nunes-fisa-memo-just-phase-one-now-targeting-state-department-phase-two

timosman
02-03-2018, 02:22 PM
Sessions: Rosenstein is leadership we wantAttorney General Jeff Sessions said that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein represents the "kind of quality and leadership that we want in the department."


http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/02/02/sessions-rachel-brand-rod-rosenstein-quality-of-leadership-sot.cnn

Is Sessions a dummy?

Swordsmyth
02-03-2018, 02:26 PM
Is Sessions a dummy?

He bears a striking resemblance to Dopey and his actions on everything but illegals have been dopey. (not to mention his obsession with "dope")

Henceforth he shall be known as Dopey Sessions.


https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fvignette1.wikia.nocookie.net%2Fdi sney%2Fimages%2Fd%2Fda%2FDopey_transparent.png%2Fr evision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20151111070505&f=1
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenation.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F06%2Fsessions_russia_se nate_ap_img.jpg&f=1

undergroundrr
02-03-2018, 02:33 PM
Trump canceling my Obamacare penalty

How does that work? I keep hearing this claim but I started my taxes on Turbotax last night and it shows I still have over a grand worth of Obamacare penalty. In total I'm paying the deep state more this year on less income if my first runthrough is correct.

Swordsmyth
02-03-2018, 02:36 PM
How does that work? I keep hearing this claim but I started my taxes on Turbotax last night and it shows I still have over a grand worth of Obamacare penalty. In total I'm paying the deep state more this year on less income if my first runthrough is correct.

The penalty doesn't end till next year.

undergroundrr
02-03-2018, 02:40 PM
The penalty doesn't end till next year.

Thanks.

Swordsmyth
02-03-2018, 02:55 PM
Nunes open to releasing transcript of Andrew McCabe testimony about FISA applicationhttp://www.washingtonexaminer.com/devin-nunes-open-to-releasing-transcript-of-andrew-mccabe-testimony-about-fisa-application/article/2648001

nikcers
02-03-2018, 03:14 PM
Don't get me wrong, when I say the 2 teams in Washington are on the same side, I don't mean to say they are identical or they have no differences. So yes there are differences between the 2 and the average American can easily identify and appreciate the policies of one side. I also think the real powers that be have given these presidents a little leeway to strike out on some issues that are of little consequence. Think Obama not attacking Assad directly when the deep state were calling for it or Trump canceling my Obamacare penalty etc etc. And believe me, I recognize those instances when they do good.

My problem is not that they sometimes do go but it lies in the fact (yes fact) that they both work for the same people and to that I will not give any credit when they decide to show me some mercy. I see then for the totality of the harm they inflict on me and society and if that is negative, I say fu^k em. Its like a prostitute giving credit to her pimp because he did not beat her than one day and instead wined and dinned her while keeping her captive.

Rand Paul spent a lot of political capital campaigning against bombing Syria making it unpopular. I know Rand doesn't get credit for stuff outside of here, but he should get credit here at least. Its like when people argue that Trumps tax bill was good, yeah because Rand Paul made it that decent. It still sucks, Rand's tax plan would of been way better. Rand would of cut the real tax.

Jan2017
02-03-2018, 05:24 PM
Sessions: Rosenstein is leadership we want

Attorney General Jeff Sessions said that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein represents the "kind of quality and leadership that we want in the department."
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/02/02/sessions-rachel-brand-rod-rosenstein-quality-of-leadership-sot.cnn

CNN needed to mention but cleverly omits that statement by Sessions was before the memorandum naming Rosenstein as one of the gang of five that signed off on the FISA application/renewals -
Comey three times, McCabe, Yates, Boente, and co-conspirator no. 5 Rosenstein, probably twice.

timosman
02-03-2018, 05:38 PM
Thanks.

It will not be enforced though POTUS said.

AZJoe
02-03-2018, 05:43 PM
The Benghazi investigations lasted four years. There were more than a half dozen separate inquiries, which cost millions of dollars. They resulted in precisely nothing.
Welcome to DC. This is exceedingly normal.

Nice to see the count admit the "Russiagate" has precisely nothing.

The Benghazi investigation is not a quite parallel, however. Benghazi was an event that actually took place. It was also far less serious matter than a government insiders manufacturing evidence, well-timed leaks and accusations, to upstage a US election and its results. In Benghazi there was no FBI involved collusion or manufacture of fake evidence. There was no special counsel appointed.
Contrary to Count, the investigation did not last "four years."
The FBI investigation was/is focused on the Wahhabi actors, not US political leadership. There was no criminal investigation of the political leadership.
The House Committees completed its investigation in 1.5 years.
The State Department Accountability Review Board in just over two months.
Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs in just over two months.
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence in under two years
The House Select Committee in a year and half.
All in all the entire timeline was less than three years. Subsequent revelations came from other investigations such as the email server scandal.
While the final Banghazi reports were considered a whitewash by survivors and family members, the unclassified versions did nevertheless conclude exceptionally poor judgment, "systemic failures of leadership and management" at the State Department; grossly inadequate decision making; that the attacks were pre-planned; that there were no protests in the area; that the attack did not precipitate from protests and State Department gave false information about protests; that the State Department systematically withdrew security despite full knowledge of and assessments of high risk of significant attacks; The Administration willfully perpetuated a deliberately misleading and incomplete narrative that the attacks evolved from a political demonstration caused by a YouTube video; the Administration altered the talking points to remove references to the likely participation of Islamic extremists in the attacks. The Administration also removed references to the threat of extremists linked to al-Qa'ida in Benghazi and eastern Libya - and that's just the conclusions that were considered a whitewash. The bigger whitewash however is that the "consulate"'s rear purpose was likely for the cover and smuggling of arms to terrorists proxy groups.

Danke
02-03-2018, 05:50 PM
Nice to see the count admit the "Russiagate" has precisely nothing.

The Benghazi investigation is not a quite parallel, however. Benghazi was an event that actually took place. It was also far less serious matter than a government insiders manufacturing evidence, well-timed leaks and accusations, to upstage a US election and its results. In Benghazi there was no FBI involved collusion or manufacture of fake evidence. There was no special counsel appointed.
Contrary to Count, the investigation did not last "four years."
The FBI investigation was/is focused on the Wahhabi actors, not US political leadership. There was no criminal investigation of the political leadership.
The House Committees completed its investigation in 1.5 years.
The State Department Accountability Review Board in just over two months.
Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs in just over two months.
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence in under two years
The House Select Committee in a year and half.
All in all the entire timeline was less than three years. Subsequent revelations came from other investigations such as the email server scandal.
While the final Banghazi reports were considered a whitewash by survivors and family members, the unclassified versions did nevertheless conclude exceptionally poor judgment, "systemic failures of leadership and management" at the State Department; grossly inadequate decision making; that the attacks were pre-planned; that there were no protests in the area; that the attack did not precipitate from protests and State Department gave false information about protests; that the State Department systematically withdrew security despite full knowledge of and assessments of high risk of significant attacks; The Administration willfully perpetuated a deliberately misleading and incomplete narrative that the attacks evolved from a political demonstration caused by a YouTube video; the Administration altered the talking points to remove references to the likely participation of Islamic extremists in the attacks. The Administration also removed references to the threat of extremists linked to al-Qa'ida in Benghazi and eastern Libya - and that's just the conclusions that were considered a whitewash. The bigger whitewash however is that the "consulate"'s rear purpose was likely for the cover and smuggling of arms to terrorists proxy groups.



“You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to AZJoe again.”


OK Bryan.

Jan2017
02-03-2018, 06:14 PM
Is Sessions a dummy?
Is this getting some legs in the twitter universe ?

#Unrecuse
https://twitter.com/hashtag/Unrecuse?src=hash&lang=en

Now is the time for Sessions to un-recuse himself and fire Rosenstein (and or Mueller)

from #FireRosenstein
Jeff Sessions
We're about to see if you have a pair between your legs. It's time to FIRE Rod Rosenstein..
Set the Bar, and show America you aren't a Sheep to the Machine.

timosman
02-03-2018, 06:33 PM
Is this getting some legs in the twitter universe ?

#Unrecuse
https://twitter.com/hashtag/Unrecuse?src=hash&lang=en

Now is the time for Sessions to un-recuse himself and fire Rosenstein (and or Mueller)

from #FireRosenstein
Jeff Sessions
We're about to see if you have a pair between your legs. It's time to FIRE Rod Rosenstein..
Set the Bar, and show America you aren't a Sheep to the Machine.

Yeah Jeff, WTF? Are you a chicken?:cool:

juleswin
02-03-2018, 06:55 PM
Nice to see the count admit the "Russiagate" has precisely nothing.

The Benghazi investigation is not a quite parallel, however. Benghazi was an event that actually took place. It was also far less serious matter than a government insiders manufacturing evidence, well-timed leaks and accusations, to upstage a US election and its results. In Benghazi there was no FBI involved collusion or manufacture of fake evidence. There was no special counsel appointed.
Contrary to Count, the investigation did not last "four years."
The FBI investigation was/is focused on the Wahhabi actors, not US political leadership. There was no criminal investigation of the political leadership.
The House Committees completed its investigation in 1.5 years.
The State Department Accountability Review Board in just over two months.
Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs in just over two months.
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence in under two years
The House Select Committee in a year and half.
All in all the entire timeline was less than three years. Subsequent revelations came from other investigations such as the email server scandal.
While the final Banghazi reports were considered a whitewash by survivors and family members, the unclassified versions did nevertheless conclude exceptionally poor judgment, "systemic failures of leadership and management" at the State Department; grossly inadequate decision making; that the attacks were pre-planned; that there were no protests in the area; that the attack did not precipitate from protests and State Department gave false information about protests; that the State Department systematically withdrew security despite full knowledge of and assessments of high risk of significant attacks; The Administration willfully perpetuated a deliberately misleading and incomplete narrative that the attacks evolved from a political demonstration caused by a YouTube video; the Administration altered the talking points to remove references to the likely participation of Islamic extremists in the attacks. The Administration also removed references to the threat of extremists linked to al-Qa'ida in Benghazi and eastern Libya - and that's just the conclusions that were considered a whitewash. The bigger whitewash however is that the "consulate"'s rear purpose was likely for the cover and smuggling of arms to terrorists proxy groups.

+rep

parocks
02-03-2018, 07:26 PM
This is only the tip of the iceberg...stay tuned.

Aren't there 13K sealed indictments - about something we dont know yet. The MSM doesn't seem at all willing to discuss matters that might involve Democrats going to jail.

Releasing this memo is almost like releasing the tv commercial about the investigation that's taking place. The media cannot completely ignore the memo and have to at least mention it to people who have no idea that this has been going on. We know that there have been investigations, it looks like people like Hillary and McCain have been walking around with tracking devices on their ankles. McCain moved his boot from one leg to another. But the media doesn't mention it when it looks like Hillary and McCain have evidence of already being arrested.

Things are happening, the msm is just not covering those things.

parocks
02-03-2018, 07:35 PM
"Not the least bit worried" fails to explain all of the actions he, the administration, and the party have taken. People who were "not the least bit worried" would not act in such a way.



For what crime?


The people from the FBI and the DOJ will be going to jail for perjury and obstruction of justice. Treason and sedition appear less like slam dunks based on what we know so far.

parocks
02-03-2018, 07:43 PM
'Pappy, I think we can keep him tangled for a few years with our operatives. The excessive hair dye may have affected his cognitive abilities'


https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/151105063603-george-w-bush-george-h-w-bush-super-169.jpg

Day of the rope for both Bushs too.

Jan2017
02-03-2018, 07:45 PM
Named as responsible: Comey, McCabe, Yates, Boente, Rosenstein.

These FISA and FISC applications were based upon the Steele Dossier. Steele was working with Bruce Ohr and his wife. Ohr worked for Yates and later Rosenstein. Steele was leaking to the media, and was an extreme #Nevertrump partisan.


So, FBI Director James Comey and Deputy AG Sally Yates - appointed by Obama - signed off for the initial
October 21 2016 FISA warrant "insurance policy" - when the DNC/Clinton-planted dossier was in it's "infancy"


https://s26.postimg.org/9pimvhgnt/yates.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Yates may have been the double DOJ signer as the first extension reportedly occurred after the inauguration of the 45th President, and most probably before Yates was fired by Trump on January 30.

Note, that
" a judge would have either been deceived by the application or simply approved it blindly."


"big difference between a first application and a renewal is that the intent of the surveillance
can’t be hypothetical anymore."

On a first application, the Department of Justice lawyer needs to demonstrate that the agency is likely to find information tied to the suspected crime through the surveillance.
On a renewal, the lawyer has to show that it got information corroborating the original warrant and that further access would lead to further evidence.

Before the original 90 days has expired, (on January 21, 2017 or so) a renewal application is submitted to a judge, though often not the same judge who heard the original request, given the rotation on the surveillance court. If approved, the FBI would get another 90 days.
According to reports on the warrant tied to the Page surveillance, the warrant was extended after President Donald Trump took office.
above quotes from:
REPUBLICAN ‘RELEASE THE MEMO’ CONSPIRACY IGNORES HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO GET A FISA WARRANT
http://www.newsweek.com/how-get-fisa-warrant-797323

Yates with Comey are the key seditious conspirators, if Trump was already elected and in office for the first renewal,
when they knew who was ultimately behind the generation of the dossier certainly, imho

TER
02-03-2018, 08:30 PM
Aren't there 13K sealed indictments - about something we dont know yet. The MSM doesn't seem at all willing to discuss matters that might involve Democrats going to jail.

Releasing this memo is almost like releasing the tv commercial about the investigation that's taking place. The media cannot completely ignore the memo and have to at least mention it to people who have no idea that this has been going on. We know that there have been investigations, it looks like people like Hillary and McCain have been walking around with tracking devices on their ankles. McCain moved his boot from one leg to another. But the media doesn't mention it when it looks like Hillary and McCain have evidence of already being arrested.

Things are happening, the msm is just not covering those things.

Exactly. The memo was just the small snowball which has now started rolling down the hill. It will get much larger in the weeks and months ahead and there is not much the bad guys can do to stop it. Everything to this point has been played masterfully by Trump and his military and intelligence advisors. The cases are being built methodically so that when Sessions begins dropping the hammer, there will be no escaping justice.

History will remember these days as the days when America truly drained the swamp and seditious acts and manipulative media outlets were put in their place.

acptulsa
02-03-2018, 08:34 PM
Yates with Comey are the key seditious conspirators, if Trump was already elected and in office for the first renewal, when they knew who was ultimately behind the generation of the dossier certainly, imho

I don't believe that whether Trump was inaugurated yet is relevant to the question, 'Is this sedition?' This is a republic. The people are ultimately in charge. Therefore, any attempt to interfere with an election is sedition.

And I think this point should be pushed--all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary--until it becomes an acknowledged, precedent-established part of the canon.

TheCount
02-03-2018, 08:56 PM
Nice to see the count admit the "Russiagate" has precisely nothing.

It's certainly possible.



The Benghazi investigation is not a quite parallel, however. Benghazi was an event that actually took place.
So did contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian proxies and officers. I think at this point no one is denying that.




It was as also far less serious matter than a government insiders manufacturing evidence, well-timed leaks and accusations, to upstage a US election and its results.

The first one is true, but the investigation was certainly used, including well-timed hearings and leaks, for the purpose of affecting an election. You don't really believe that it's just coincidence that it all ended one month after the election, do you?



While the final Banghazi reports were considered a whitewash by survivors and family members, the unclassified versions did nevertheless conclude exceptionally poor judgment, "systemic failures of leadership and management" at the State Department; grossly inadequate decision making; that the attacks were pre-planned; that there were no protests in the area; that the attack did not precipitate from protests and State Department gave false information about protests; that the State Department systematically withdrew security despite full knowledge of and assessments of high risk of significant attacks; The Administration willfully perpetuated a deliberately misleading and incomplete narrative that the attacks evolved from a political demonstration caused by a YouTube video; the Administration altered the talking points to remove references to the likely participation of Islamic extremists in the attacks.

How many people were arrested? Jailed? Pled guilty to something and got probation? Fired? Disciplined? Given a stern talking-to? We're the subject of a strongly worded letter?

Congressional reports are political tools written by politicians. Your list of failures on the part of the state department was no doubt carefully considered by staffers, who spent hours deciding what would make the best sound bite. They mean nothing, generally.

If the Democrats take the house or senate in 2018, will you quote their reports so reverently? Will you wait with bated breath for the release of their memos?

TER
02-03-2018, 09:12 PM
So did contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian proxies and officers. I think at this point no one is denying that.

They (Trump et al) caught wind of them being set up early on. It was indeed a set up, and this is coming out and will be made crystal clear in the weeks ahead. The bad guys got beat in their own scheme.

It’s unbelievable that the D talking point is still that there was Russian collusion. This is called cognitive dissonance.


If the Democrats take the house or senate in 2018, ....

I really see that as being close to impossible. The dnc is bankrupt. They have no leader. They are divided. They have no direction. They have pitted themselves against the working man, and whites and Christians in particular, and they are about to undergo the greatest political scandal of this nation’s history. They have no path to victory as long as Trump pushes the America first policy and the economy continues to roar. It is going to be a landslide Republican victory and hopefully good consertives take the place of the corrupt rinos and dems which are not seeking relection as well as the other seats which will be swept up by the GOP.

Jan2017
02-03-2018, 09:41 PM
I don't believe that whether Trump was inaugurated yet is relevant to the question, 'Is this sedition?'

Oh, I agree. Comey with his Chief of Staff Rybicki - the very guy changing the name of "the President" (Obama) to "senior white house official",
along with Strozk and Page organizing an insurance policy with help of the Ohr family household, after Rosenstein and McCabe in 2015 kill the Uranium One investigation with a plea agreement were all seditious acts to get a former First Lady to break the glass ceiling and grant them all their pensions.

The Nunes memorandum states they found Comey with three FISA affidavits before the Court, and McCabe one - on behalf of the FBI.
The memo is coy about the DOJ side of the FISA renewals . . .
Yates on the first initial application before the election as the insurance policy funded by the DNC/Hillary Clinton campaign,
and Boente and Rosenstein on behalf of the DOJ "with one of them twice"

The correct timeline if the law was followed would be one of course before the election - the insurance policy -
and then the sketchy first renewal which should have been "before 90 days after the application date in October 2016" whatever date that turned out to be - conveniently the 21st ?

I can fathom that the first 90 days had already expired and the speculative Yates No. 2 with Comey No. 2 had already been past 90 days and IS the renewal that both knew full well of the origins and invalidity yet still presented to the FISA Court judge -
add in sound effects of the cry/whine from Schiff that the Oct 2016 application was just in it's "infancy".

Seditious actions using force from Hillary Rodham Clinton go back to the 1993 bullying of WH counsel Vince Foster into "suicide",
along with a still cold case murder - unsolved - involving a witness against the Clinton crime syndicate - which were about a month apart in April 1993.

#Unrecuse
and get on with it all now Jeff Sessions!

TER
02-03-2018, 09:49 PM
#Unrecuse
and get on with it all now Jeff Sessions!

All in good time...

Swordsmyth
02-03-2018, 10:55 PM
CNN needed to mention but cleverly omits that statement by Sessions was before the memorandum naming Rosenstein as one of the gang of five that signed off on the FISA application/renewals -
Comey three times, McCabe, Yates, Boente, and co-conspirator no. 5 Rosenstein, probably twice.

He is still Dopey Sessions, Rosenstein was the one who started the special counsel investigation.

seapilot
02-03-2018, 11:17 PM
CNN needed to mention but cleverly omits that statement by Sessions was before the memorandum naming Rosenstein as one of the gang of five that signed off on the FISA application/renewals -
Comey three times, McCabe, Yates, Boente, and co-conspirator no. 5 Rosenstein, probably twice.

The enemedia are masters at doing dishonest tricks like that. If they only would do real investigative journalism like a real free press there would be a lot less corruption. Unfortunately they are part of the corruption.

Swordsmyth
02-04-2018, 12:20 AM
All of these people are guilty, at a minimum of corruption, conspiracy and fraud. I’m no legal scholar, so I’m sure the list of offenses is longer than one of Hillary Clinton’s tirades after someone criticized her latest pantsuit atrocity.
This ultimately opens all of these organizations up to the biggest civil rights class action lawsuit in the history of this country. The Obama administration and the Democratic Party used opposition research to paint a false narrative of corruption in the Oval Office to discredit the election.
How many riots and street demonstrations did we see in 2017 as outraged and triggered liberals ran around smashing in windows and beating people up because of their delusion based on a lie?
How many hours of lost productivity did the country suffer because of FBI complicity in an operation to overturn a legal election?
How many millions in property damage? Destroyed careers?
What about the direct victims of this disgusting display of government corruption taken to its logical conclusion?
Why is Michael Flynn nearly bankrupt after being hounded by Mueller for months only to get a nothing guilty plea on the thinnest of procedural offenses?
When the corruption is this venal isn’t it our right under the Constitution to petition our government for a redress of grievances? Who do we sue?
Because there’s material harm here and someone should be held responsible. This began under Obama’s watch. He set this whole process in motion. High ranking members of his cabinet are directly implicated by the facts in the memo.
And the memo is just the beginning of the discovery phase of this very public trial.
Government on Trial But, I want more than that. I want it all out in the open. And I want those responsible, those for whom the titles, salaries, benefits and power we bestow on them to do our work, to stand up and be accountable.
And if they are too venal, feckless and narcissistic to admit these things, then we’ll drag them through the most embarrassing of show trials.
And that means stripping them of their wealth, power and privilege.
It means turning off their house organs in the media; outing the enablers, leakers, trolls and spooks.
It means releasing everything, unredacted, in the name of national security.

It means reminding them of just how much all of that depends on our consent, not theirs.
Because if we don’t demand these things, then next time there won’t even be the pretense of an election.

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-03/fisa-memo-obama-and-election-almost-wasnt

Swordsmyth
02-04-2018, 12:26 AM
He is still Dopey Sessions, Rosenstein was the one who started the special counsel investigation.
Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein threatened to subpoena the "texts and messages" of House Intel Committee Chairman Devin Nunes and other members of Congress, according to legal analyst Greg Jarrett.

I can tell you a congressional source tells me that Rod Rosenstein in a meeting three weeks ago threatened Chairman Nunes and members of Congress he was going to subpoena their texts and messages because he was tired of dealing with the intel committee. That’s threats and intimidation and retaliation. -Greg Jarrett


More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-03/rod-rosenstein-reportedly-threatened-nunes-house-intel-members-subpoena-report




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Sessions: Rosenstein is leadership we want

Attorney General Jeff Sessions said that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein represents the "kind of quality and leadership that we want in the department."


http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/02/02/sessions-rachel-brand-rod-rosenstein-quality-of-leadership-sot.cnn

Swordsmyth
02-04-2018, 01:42 AM
A federal judge told the Department of Justice to explain why the release of the House Intelligence Committee's memo today shouldn't force investigators to acknowledge the existence of more records related to foreign surveillance.Until this point, the Justice Department said it couldn't confirm or deny the existence of foreign surveillance-related records regarding Donald Trump and his business and campaign associates. That disclosure would hurt national security and could interfere with the ongoing special counsel investigation into Russian collusion and the election, the FBI has claimed.
The White House declassified and House Republicans released a controversial memo Friday that prompted the judge's action. The memo describes Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court actions that allowed federal authorities to monitor former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser Carter Page in 2016 and 2017.
The Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, filed by the James Madison Project and USA Today reporter Brad Heath in April, sought records from the FBI of FISA applications and authorizations for surveillance of the Trump Organization, President Donald Trump, his campaign and associated people.
A filing from USA Today's lawyers Friday pointed out that the late-October 2016 issuance of the FISA warrant on Page matched the month that Trump claims the Obama administration started wiretapping his phones at Trump Tower in New York.
"I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!" Trump tweeted in March.

I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 4, 2017 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/837994257566863360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

The Department of Justice's response is due February 14.


http://www.cnn.com/2018/02/02/politics/court-response-doj-nunes-memo/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+rss%252Fcnn_allpolitics+(RS S%253A+CNN+-+Politics)

Swordsmyth
02-04-2018, 02:22 AM
Attorney General Jeff Sessions (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/jeff-sessions) suggested he planned to refer a newly released memo alleging bias against Donald Trump (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/DonaldTrump) to the Justice Department’s internal watchdog.

In a statement following the memo’s release, Mr Sessions said Congress had spotlighted “an issue of great importance for the country” and noted that “concerns had been raised” about the performance of the Justice Department, which he leads as America’s top law enforcement official.
While he said in a statement he had “great confidence” in the Justice Department’s employees, Mr Sessions added that “no Department is perfect”.
“Accordingly, I will forward to appropriate DOJ components all information I receive from Congress regarding this,” Mr Sessions said, vowing to “fully and fairly ascertain the truth”.

More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/nunes-memo-jeff-sessions-suggests-004115814.html


What took so long Dopey?

Jan2017
02-04-2018, 07:00 AM
The enemedia are masters at doing dishonest tricks like that. If they only would do real investigative journalism like a real free press there would be a lot less corruption. Unfortunately they are part of the corruption.

CNN has had a very bad week in a bad year for them.
Maybe Jeff Sessions still thinks Rosenstein is still great after the memo release,
but I am on to CNN now seeing what they are up to in order to control what the sheeple are told to incite contempt.
They constantly update so that their jaded news feeds come up at top of Google searches.

The Intel committee votes Monday night and CNN has Schiff as the newsmaker with reports how unfair that his 10 page memo won't be released at same time.
FBI Director Wray reads the Nunes memo divulging very little info other than naming names, and CNN has Wray threatening to quit,
when in reality with all the info in the Dim Schiff 10 pages - even if it was voted to be released in the future, the executive branch would never allow it's release - especially Wray!

Rosenstein is like a deer caught in the headlights now.


https://s26.postimg.org/hgzctyd2h/deerinheadlights.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

acptulsa
02-04-2018, 08:01 AM
More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-03/fisa-memo-obama-and-election-almost-wasnt


More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-03/rod-rosenstein-reportedly-threatened-nunes-house-intel-members-subpoena-report


http://www.cnn.com/2018/02/02/politics/court-response-doj-nunes-memo/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+rss%252Fcnn_allpolitics+(RS S%253A+CNN+-+Politics)


http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/jeff-sessions
http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/DonaldTrump

More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/nunes-memo-jeff-sessions-suggests-004115814.html

Gee, how on earth did we ever find out what the fake news sites were blathering without your help?

Jan2017
02-04-2018, 08:25 AM
A federal judge told the Department of Justice to explain why the release of the House Intelligence Committee's memo today shouldn't force investigators to acknowledge the existence of more records related to foreign surveillance.
A filing from USA Today's lawyers Friday pointed out that the late-October 2016 issuance of the FISA warrant on Page matched the month that Trump claims the Obama administration started wiretapping his phones at Trump Tower in New York.
"I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!" Trump tweeted in March.
I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 4, 2017 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/837994257566863360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

The Department of Justice's response is due February 14.


Let's find the FISA judge(s) that are issuing these warrants on shaded DNC/Clinton cabal sponsored intel for
the likes of Defendants Yates and Comey et al. . . .

http://www.fisc.uscourts.gov/current-membership



Judge
Judicial District /Circuit
Date Designated
Term expires


Rosemary M. Collyer (https://www.fjc.gov/history/judges/collyer-rosemary-m.) (Presiding) (http://www.fjc.gov/servlet/nGetInfo?jid=1068&cid=999&ctype=na&instate=na)
District of Columbia / D.C.
March 8, 2013
March 7, 2020


James E. Boasberg (https://www.fjc.gov/history/judges/boasberg-james-emanuel)
District of Columbia / D.C.
May 19, 2014
March 18, 2021


Rudolph Contreras (https://www.fjc.gov/history/judges/contreras-rudolph)
District of Columbia / D.C.
May 19, 2016
May 18, 2023


Anne C. Conway (https://www.fjc.gov/history/judges/conway-anne-c.)
Middle District of Florida / 11th
May 19, 2016
May 18, 2023


Raymond J. Dearie (https://www.fjc.gov/history/judges/dearie-raymond-joseph)
Eastern District of New York / 2nd
July 2, 2012
July 1, 2019


Claire V. Eagan (https://www.fjc.gov/history/judges/eagan-claire)
Northern District of Oklahoma / 10th
February 13, 2013
May 18, 2019


James P. Jones (https://www.fjc.gov/history/judges/jones-james-parker)
Western District of Virginia /4th
May 19, 2015
May 18, 2022


Robert B. Kugler (https://www.fjc.gov/history/judges/kugler-robert-b.)
District of New Jersey / 3rd
May 19, 2017
May 18, 2024


Michael W. Mosman (https://www.fjc.gov/history/judges/mosman-michael-w.)
District of Oregon / 9th
May 04, 2013
May 03, 2020


Thomas B. Russell (https://www.fjc.gov/history/judges/russell-thomas-b.)
Western District of Kentucky / 6th
May 19, 2015
May 18, 2022


F. Dennis Saylor IV (https://www.fjc.gov/history/judges/saylor-f.-dennis-iv)
District of Massachusetts / 1st
May 19, 2011
May 18, 2018




Couldn't be FISA Judge Robert B. Kugler though, since he was appointed May 2017.
Who did Justice Kugler replace on FISA Court ?
fwiw, DC Circuit Judges ARE likely to have been useful to the Clinton cabal FISA warrants.

Presiding FISA Judge Collyer - as District Judge did rule on Obamacare in 2016 that the reimbursements
for healthcare subsidies - the funding to insurers for low income individuals - is unconstitutional.


"Such an appropriation cannot be inferred," she wrote of the payments, and insurer "reimbursements without an appropriation thus violates the Constitution." However, Collyer declined to enforce her decision, pending an appeal to a higher court. That appeal was filed in July and is still months away from resolution.

In May 2016 FISA Court appointees Justices Contreras (DC Circuit) and Conway (Florida/11th Federal Circuit)
arrived on the scene as candidates for Comey dirty deeds.

AuH20
02-04-2018, 09:20 AM
Crime is great for career advancement.

http://wagcenter.com/corporate-wags/rod-rosensteins-wife-lisa-barsoomian/

acptulsa
02-04-2018, 09:30 AM
Crime is great for career advancement.

http://wagcenter.com/corporate-wags/rod-rosensteins-wife-lisa-barsoomian/

It took half as long to read that so-called "article" as it did to close all the pop-up ads.

Well, Fox News Sunday is certainly being fair and balanced. They're giving Democrats plenty of time to say the Nunes memo is harming the American people by 'muddying the waters' of the vital Russia investigation and shaking confidence in the angelic FBI.

They're also working hard to protect Robert Mueller's job--even to the point if intimating that firing him would be Nixonian.

Jan2017
02-04-2018, 10:40 AM
Any bets that May 2016 FISA court appointee from the DC Circuit Rudolph Contreras is involved in one or more of the FISA warrants?

On June 29, 2016 -
a week before the Comey July 5, 2016 statement and day before his Chief of Staff James E. Rybicki made material changes to that statement . . .

June 29, 2016:
The State Department wants to delay the release of emails between Clinton’s former aides and the Clinton Foundation until well after the 2016 presidential election. (http://www.thompsontimeline.com/5183/2016/06/29/the-state-department-wants-to-delay-the-release-of-emails-between-clintons-former-aides-and-the-clinton-foundation-until-well-after-the-2016-presidential-election/)


Justice Department lawyers acting on behalf of the State Department ask US District Court Judge Rudolph Contreras for an extension until October 2018 – more than two years.
Citizens United president David Bossie says, “This is totally unacceptable; the State Department is using taxpayer dollars to protect their candidate Hillary Clinton. The American people have a right to see these emails before the [November 2016 presidential] election. […]
The conflicts of interest that were made possible by the activities of Hillary Clinton’s State Department in tandem with the Clinton Foundation are of significant importance to the public and the law enforcement community.” (Politico, 6/29/2016 (http://archive.is/2016.07.01-222414/https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/top-aide-huma-abedin-says-decision-to-use-private-email-server-was-clintons/2016/06/29/490981d8-3d60-11e6-84e8-1580c7db5275_story.html))



fwiw, FISA Justice Rudolph Contreras was preceded on the court by Thomas F. Hogan who served on the FISA Court from
May 2014 - May 2016 appointed by John Roberts as the FISA presiding judge, Collyer moved up as FISA presiding judge.

Justice Hogan is notable for his ruling in the case of William J. Clinton, President of the United States et al. v.
City of New York et al. that the Line Item Veto Act of 1996 was unconstitutional, affirmed by the Supreme Court 6-3.

milgram
02-04-2018, 11:18 AM
All FISA judges appointed by John Roberts!

Also this is quite a terrible requirement


In 2001, the USA PATRIOT Act expanded the court from seven to eleven judges, and required that at least three of the Court's judges live within twenty miles (32 km) of the District of Columbia

Brian4Liberty
02-04-2018, 11:30 AM
The Benghazi investigations lasted four years. There were more than a half dozen separate inquiries, which cost millions of dollars. They resulted in precisely nothing.

Welcome to DC. This is exceedingly normal.

That was probably more evidence of an escalation of partisanship and defense of Hillary that permeated the upper levels of government.


Nice to see the count admit the "Russiagate" has precisely nothing.

The Benghazi investigation is not a quite parallel, however. Benghazi was an event that actually took place. It was also far less serious matter than a government insiders manufacturing evidence, well-timed leaks and accusations, to upstage a US election and its results. In Benghazi there was no FBI involved collusion or manufacture of fake evidence. There was no special counsel appointed.
Contrary to Count, the investigation did not last "four years."
The FBI investigation was/is focused on the Wahhabi actors, not US political leadership. There was no criminal investigation of the political leadership.
The House Committees completed its investigation in 1.5 years.
The State Department Accountability Review Board in just over two months.
Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs in just over two months.
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence in under two years
The House Select Committee in a year and half.
All in all the entire timeline was less than three years. Subsequent revelations came from other investigations such as the email server scandal.
While the final Banghazi reports were considered a whitewash by survivors and family members, the unclassified versions did nevertheless conclude exceptionally poor judgment, "systemic failures of leadership and management" at the State Department; grossly inadequate decision making; that the attacks were pre-planned; that there were no protests in the area; that the attack did not precipitate from protests and State Department gave false information about protests; that the State Department systematically withdrew security despite full knowledge of and assessments of high risk of significant attacks; The Administration willfully perpetuated a deliberately misleading and incomplete narrative that the attacks evolved from a political demonstration caused by a YouTube video; the Administration altered the talking points to remove references to the likely participation of Islamic extremists in the attacks. The Administration also removed references to the threat of extremists linked to al-Qa'ida in Benghazi and eastern Libya - and that's just the conclusions that were considered a whitewash. The bigger whitewash however is that the "consulate"'s rear purpose was likely for the cover and smuggling of arms to terrorists proxy groups.

IIRC, Benghazi was about incompetence which resulted in the deaths of Americans, and lame cover stories to distract from that incompetence. Quite a different situation than is being uncovered right now. Incompetence is not a well-defined crime. It seems like there were no clear crimes in the Benghazi incident, unless the secret arms deals were illegal for some reason.

What we have now are clear crimes, and attempts to usurp an election. Far more serious than Benghazi. Any mundanes would be breaking rocks in some Federal prison right now if they stood accused of these crimes.

enhanced_deficit
02-04-2018, 11:31 AM
There seems to be civil war brewing between GOP-conservative wing (Sessions, Bannon, Coulter, Freedom Caucus etc) and GOP Javanka/moderate neocon wing. This could be the toughest challenge Trump will face, dumb Dems were easy game relatively. He has conquered good part of media but GOP base has started to raise muted protests against Trump since DACA meeting.


Bannon claims Trump disparaged Sessions to provide “cover” for Kushner (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?518038-Bannon-claim-that-Trump-disparaged-Sessions-to-provide-%E2%80%9Ccover%E2%80%9D-for-Kushner-could-be-bad-news&)

Bannon’s gripe against Kushner in Vanity Fair continues: He claims that Donald Trump’s disparaging tweets about Attorney General Jeff Sessions were designed to provide “cover” for Kushner by steering negative media attention toward Sessions and away from Kushner as he was scheduled to testify before a Senate committee.

Getting mauled by Steve Bannon might not be the worst thing to happen to the president’s son-in-law this week. He and Ivanka were sued (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/17/ivanka-trump-jared-kushner-sued-financial-disclosures-302240) by a private attorney for failing to disclose assets from 30 investment funds on their federal financial disclosure forms. Perhaps more ominous for Kushner, and according (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/22/business/kushner-deutsche-bank-subpoena.html?smid=tw-share) to the New York Times, federal prosecutors in Brooklyn have subpoenaed Deutsche Bank records about Kushner’s family’s real estate business. “There is no indication that the subpoena is related to the investigation being conducted by Robert S. Mueller III,” the Times allowed. Yeah, but wouldn’t you want to be there when Mueller’s team invites Bannon in to talk to him about the Vanity Fair and they ask him, “What did you mean about Jared taking meetings with Russians to get additional stuff? Like, what stuff?”

The Washington Post reports (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kushners-legal-team-looks-to-hire-crisis-public-relations-firm/2017/12/15/6fbf144c-e1c3-11e7-9eb6-e3c7ecfb4638_story.html?utm_term=.a5f2b518fdef) that his lawyer, Abbe Lowell, has been shopping for a “crisis public relations firm” over the past two weeks. (Senator Robert Menendez, the recent beneficiary of a deadlocked corruption trial, is another Lowell client.)


Jared Kushner and Donald Trump Jr. Could Go to Jail for Money Laundering If Steve Bannon Is Right

By Nicole Goodkind On 1/4/18

http://www.newsweek.com/jared-kushne...ndering-771166 (http://www.newsweek.com/jared-kushner-donald-trump-jr-steve-bannon-michael-wolff-money-laundering-771166)

Jan2017
02-04-2018, 11:31 AM
. . . this is quite a terrible requirement

In 2001, the USA PATRIOT Act expanded the court from seven to eleven judges, and required that at least three of the Court's judges live within twenty miles (32 km) of the District of Columbia


Nice pickup +rep

Contreras fits the bill to a tee . . .
lives in Washington DC now, and previous addresses in Virginia with his wife, the former Karen E. McSweeney

81 year old mom Amparo P. Contreras still in Miami

Brian4Liberty
02-04-2018, 11:36 AM
Who's out of touch now? More than ten years ago.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SZKLvEOp9c

Ah, the good old days, when Sean Hannity would attack Ron for the audacity to question the FBI. Today Hannity is leading the charge against the FBI/DOJ corruption and the leftists and Democrats are defending the honor of the FBI.

acptulsa
02-04-2018, 11:42 AM
Paul Craig Roberts is clearly impressed by the Sunday morning coverup--er, I mean coverage...


We know that there is not an ounce of integrity in the presstitute media and no respect whatsoever for truth. The press prostitutes are a lie factory. Nothing else can be said for them. CNN presstitutes Pamela Brown and Jim Sciutto misrepresent documented findings of the House Intelligence Committee, findings backed up by the released FISA court document, as a “highly controversial memo” that “is the most explicit Republican effort yet to discredit the FBI’s investigation into Trump and Russia, alleging that the investigation was infused with an anti-Trump bias under the Obama administration and supported with political opposition research.”

Are Pamela Brown and Jim Sciutto so utterly incompetent that they are unaware that endless emails reveal the anti-Trump bias and that the Steele dossier was paid political opposition research? How can anyone pretending to be a reporter pretend not to know the available documented undisputed facts?

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/02/02/press-prostitutes-lie-teeth-house-intelligence-committee-report/

TER
02-04-2018, 11:57 AM
Paul Craig Roberts is clearly impressed by the Sunday morning coverup--er, I mean coverage...



https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/02/02/press-prostitutes-lie-teeth-house-intelligence-committee-report/

All they know how to do is spin. Even when the truth is exposed and known, they still spin it because that is what they are paid to do. True honorable journalism is exceedingly rare today on the tv networks and major cable stations. The press has been the greatest let down of all to the American people. Had they done their job honorably, things would never have gotten so bad in the government. They are supposed to be the check on the system against growing corruption. I hold them most accountable

Brian4Liberty
02-04-2018, 01:47 PM
Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein threatened to subpoena the "texts and messages" of House Intel Committee Chairman Devin Nunes and other members of Congress, according to legal analyst Greg Jarrett.

I can tell you a congressional source tells me that Rod Rosenstein in a meeting three weeks ago threatened Chairman Nunes and members of Congress he was going to subpoena their texts and messages because he was tired of dealing with the intel committee. That’s threats and intimidation and retaliation. -Greg Jarrett


More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-03/rod-rosenstein-reportedly-threatened-nunes-house-intel-members-subpoena-report



Attorney General Jeff Sessions (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/jeff-sessions) suggested he planned to refer a newly released memo alleging bias against Donald Trump (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/DonaldTrump) to the Justice Department’s internal watchdog.
...
What took so long Dopey?

You may have answered your own question in the previous post...

Brian4Liberty
02-04-2018, 01:51 PM
Paul Craig Roberts is clearly impressed by the Sunday morning coverup--er, I mean coverage...

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/02/02/press-prostitutes-lie-teeth-house-intelligence-committee-report/


All they know how to do is spin. Even when the truth is exposed and known, they still spin it because that is what they are paid to do. True honorable journalism is exceedingly rare today on the tv networks and major cable stations. The press has been the greatest let down of all to the American people. Had they done their job honorably, things would never have gotten so bad in the government. They are supposed to be the check on the system against growing corruption. I hold them most accountable

Watching the pundits and "experts" on TV today, it occurred to me it's almost been a year and half of non-stop CYA, spin and lies. It's almost the only thing that comes out of their mouths, like there is no honest discussion of anything anymore.

phill4paul
02-04-2018, 01:58 PM
Watching the pundits and "experts" on TV today, it occurred to me it's almost been a year and half of non-stop CYA, spin and lies. It's almost the only thing that comes out of their mouths, like there is no honest discussion of anything anymore.

The era of Point/Counterpoint with substantive documented discourse is over. "An unnamed source of an unnamed source is reported to have said...." is the sNew standard.

timosman
02-04-2018, 02:13 PM
Watching the pundits and "experts" on TV today, it occurred to me it's almost been a year and half of non-stop CYA, spin and lies. It's almost the only thing that comes out of their mouths, like there is no honest discussion of anything anymore.

The cooperative principle needs to be reintroduced into our lives - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative_principle . I remember somebody having this as their sig.

CCTelander
02-04-2018, 02:35 PM
The era of Point/Counterpoint with substantive documented discourse is over. "An unnamed source of an unnamed source is reported to have said...." is the sNew standard.


Sorry, couldn't resist.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c91XUyg9iWM

Swordsmyth
02-04-2018, 02:41 PM
You may have answered your own question in the previous post...

I don't see the relationship.

Dopey Sessions should have had the DOJ internal watchdog on the case as soon as he took over.

Swordsmyth
02-04-2018, 03:29 PM
Republican Rep. Brad Wenstrup says he would back the release of more classified information related to a recently released GOP memo, including a Democratic rebuttal memo, relevant testimony and other material."I'm all for that. Open it up," Wenstrup said on CNN's "State of the Union."
The Ohio Republican, who sits on the House Intelligence Committee, was speaking alongside a Democratic colleague on the panel, Rep. Jim Himes of Connecticut.
Himes said he backed the release of any relevant transcript that would shed light on what recently retired FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe said in testimony about the importance of an opposition research dossier on then-candidate Donald Trump in obtaining a warrant on former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser Carter Page under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

"I would even support, if it could be redacted in such a way as not to be damaging, I would support releasing the underlying FISA applications," Himes said.

More at: http://www.cnn.com/2018/02/04/politics/brad-wenstrup-jim-himes-cnntv/index.htmlhttp://www.cnn.com/2018/02/04/politics/brad-wenstrup-jim-himes-cnntv/index.html

Jan2017
02-04-2018, 04:47 PM
"I would even support, if it could be redacted in such a way as not to be damaging, I would support releasing the underlying FISA applications," Himes said.


Just gives us the dates of all the FISA warrants for starters, if you dare. Very telling information in itself.

AZJoe
02-04-2018, 04:48 PM
The Onion Nails it: FBI Warns Memo Could Undermine Faith In Massive, Unaccountable Government Secret Agencies (https://politics.theonion.com/fbi-warns-republican-memo-could-undermine-faith-in-mass-1822639681)

"FBI Director Christopher Wray warned Thursday that releasing the “Nunes Memo” could potentially undermine faith in the massive, unaccountable government secret agencies of the United States.

'Making this memo public will almost certainly impede our ability to conduct clandestine activities operating outside any legal or judicial system on an international scale,' said Wray, noting that it was essential that mutual trust exist between the American people and the vast, mysterious cabal given free rein to use any tactics necessary to conduct surveillance on U.S. citizens or subvert religious and political groups.

'If we take away the people’s faith in this shadowy monolith exempt from any consequences, all that’s left is an extensive network of rogue, unelected intelligence officers carrying out extrajudicial missions for a variety of subjective, and occasionally personal, reasons.' At press time, Wray confirmed the massive, unaccountable government secret agencies were unaware of any wrongdoing for violating constitutional rights."

parocks
02-04-2018, 04:54 PM
All in good time...

yup, the snowball is rolling down the hill, we don't have to use up energy yelling at the snowball to roll faster.

Brian4Liberty
02-04-2018, 05:24 PM
I don't see the relationship.

Dopey Sessions should have had the DOJ internal watchdog on the case as soon as he took over.

Perhaps Nunes wasn't the only person threatened by the deep state...

AZJoe
02-04-2018, 07:05 PM
Perhaps Nunes wasn't the only person threatened by the deep state...


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVOBXVAVMAAfImR.jpg

Jan2017
02-04-2018, 07:51 PM
https://s26.postimg.org/dpzxpge95/Deep_State.jpg (https://postimages.org/)


Now we know they knew the dossier wasn’t authentic and reliable.
They knew it came from Democratic money.
They knew it was likely fabricated.
And they knew they couldn’t get a FISA warrant without it…

timosman
02-04-2018, 08:18 PM
Now we know they knew the dossier wasn’t authentic and reliable.
They knew it came from Democratic money.
They knew it was likely fabricated.
And they knew they couldn’t get a FISA warrant without it… [/CENTER]

This was just a joke. Don't be so uptight.

Jan2017
02-04-2018, 08:30 PM
Now we know they knew the dossier wasn’t authentic and reliable.
They knew it came from Democratic money.
They knew it was likely fabricated.
And they knew they couldn’t get a FISA warrant without it…


Gregg Jarrett: Criminal Acts by Comey, McCabe, Yates, Rosenstein, etc. Could Get 10 Years in Prison #FISAmemo (VIDEO)

Enjoy the quote at 0:53 to 1:07


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1v5Wdzaaic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1v5Wdzaaic

Jan2017
02-04-2018, 08:43 PM
"Look at the timeline here"

"James Comey and FBI attempted to get a FISA warrant in the summer of 2016. They were not successful."

"They added to their request in October with the Steele dossier"

"Look at the timeline here" "James Comey has a big legal problem here"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKvocipcOHU

Swordsmyth
02-04-2018, 08:50 PM
Perhaps Nunes wasn't the only person threatened by the deep state...

If your implication is correct he needs to be replaced.

Swordsmyth
02-04-2018, 08:51 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVOBXVAVMAAfImR.jpg

Why are they offering the mob proof of their guilt?

timosman
02-04-2018, 09:31 PM
Why are they offering the mob proof of their guilt?

They ... don't ... know ... yet ...

Jan2017
02-05-2018, 07:11 AM
FISA Court rejections are very rare, but they do happen less than 1% of the time.

YUUGE, if true, that an insurance policy (a FISA warrant application) designed by PP Strozk,
Lisa Page and the Ohr family household was at first rejected as meritless without the fabricated dossier evidence
to the FISA Court in July 2016,
then followed by the Steele dossier production and effectively rammed down the FISA Court's throats seven weeks later,
and then subsequently renewed - to forcibly put down the new Government of the United States a day before the inauguration,
we have a cabal to be presented to a grand jury for indictment.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKvocipcOHU
from about 0:23 mark on ...

"dangerous precedent that's been established by the FBI.
James Comey and the FBI attempted to get a FISA warrant in the summer of 2016. They were not successful.
They then moved in October by adding to their request the Steele dossier. Then they get a FISA warrant.
Then it was renewed a day before the inauguration and then renewed subsequently again."

Jan2017
02-05-2018, 07:48 AM
In May 2016 FISA Court appointees Justices Contreras (DC Circuit) and Conway (Florida/11th Federal Circuit)
arrived on the scene as candidates for Comey dirty deeds.

Meet FISA court judge Rudolph Contreras.
http://www.pacificpundit.com/2018/02/02/fisa-judge-rudolph-contreras-granted-fisa-warrants-recused-self-from-flynn-case/

https://s26.postimg.org/6dc40zkih/fisacontrerasmay2016.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Brian4Liberty
02-05-2018, 11:54 AM
FISA Court rejections are very rare, but they do happen less than 1% of the time.

YUUGE, if true, that the insurance policy designed by PP Strozk, page and the Ohr family household was at first rejected
as meritless without the fabricated evidence to the FISA Court in July 2016,
followed by the Steele dossier production and effectively rammed down the Court's throats seven weeks later,
and to be subsequently renewed to forcibly put down the new Government of the United States a day before the inauguration,
we have a cabal to be presented to a grand jury for indictment.


from about 0:23 mark on ...

That would be interesting. Was it a different Judge when it was allowed?

Edit: Should have read the link. They went Judge shopping to find a Judge friendly to their cause...


Meet FISA court judge Rudolph Contreras. He is one the judge that granted the FISA warrant in 2016 based on the phony dossier and media circular reporting. That same requested warrant was previously rejected by another FISA court judge.

timosman
02-05-2018, 12:15 PM
The coverup is worse than the crime.

pcosmar
02-05-2018, 12:18 PM
The coverup is worse than the crime.

NO
It is complicit crime.
It is ongoing crime.
and criminals are investigating themselves.

TheCount
02-05-2018, 12:28 PM
Perhaps Nunes wasn't the only person threatened by the deep state...

Pretzel excuses for Trump and his appointees...

timosman
02-05-2018, 12:33 PM
Pretzel excuses for Trump and his appointees...

Are you playing hard to please, again?:cool:

Anti Federalist
02-05-2018, 01:45 PM
Hat tip to CaptUSA

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27750048_10156404454741686_4404116726398360251_n.p ng?oh=04dbeb96d1e6b8681802c7c972057c13&oe=5B25C56E

CCTelander
02-05-2018, 01:50 PM
Hat tip to CaptUSA

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27750048_10156404454741686_4404116726398360251_n.p ng?oh=04dbeb96d1e6b8681802c7c972057c13&oe=5B25C56E


Not to take ANYTHING away from Ron Paul, but anyone with two functioning brain cells could have predicted that FISA could and would be abused. It was pretty much a gimme right from the start.

Brian4Liberty
02-05-2018, 02:02 PM
If your implication is correct he needs to be replaced.

Probably. Though relatively honest, Jeff Sessions and Trey Gowdy both have past careers that almost requires them to defend the system, trust other members of the "club" and disbelieve accusations of wrong doing, even as the evidence grows.

bunklocoempire
02-05-2018, 02:03 PM
Here, my fellow fallen-man, I know this hasn't worked out in the past or the present, but this time use this unaccountable power accountably.

:rolleyes:

timosman
02-05-2018, 02:06 PM
Not to take ANYTHING away from Ron Paul, but anyone with two functioning brain cells could have predicted that FISA could and would be abused. It was pretty much a gimme right from the start.

Nice spin. You forget how everybody not opposed to thinking was relegated to the 'conspiracy nut' bin.:cool:

Swordsmyth
02-05-2018, 02:12 PM
Steele wrote another anti-Trump memo; was fed info by Clinton-connected contact, Obama State Departmenthttp://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dossier-author-steele-wrote-another-anti-trump-memo-was-fed-info-by-clinton-connected-contact-obama-state-department/article/2648099

Madison320
02-05-2018, 02:17 PM
What did we tell you would happen, over 15 years ago now, when this massive new increase in state surveillance power was born??!!

We TOLD you that the surveillance state would turn inward, would create political prisoners, would shred privacy, liberty and the bill of rights and would be used to undermine and corrupt and sway the political process!!!


I heard Nunes talking to Rush Limbaugh today. At one point he said he initially supported the secret FISA court but "never imagined it would ever be used in this manner."

Duh.

timosman
02-05-2018, 02:18 PM
Here, my fellow fallen-man, I know this hasn't worked out in the past or the present, but this time use this unaccountable power accountably.

It is pretty obvious we need a better cloak.

Brian4Liberty
02-05-2018, 02:23 PM
I heard Nunes talking to Rush Limbaugh today. At one point he said he initially supported the secret FISA court but "never imagined it would ever be used in this manner."

Duh.

I can see how Nunes would be damned either way, but it would have been nice if he had released his memo BEFORE the recent FISA vote.

Madison320
02-05-2018, 02:28 PM
I can see how Nunes would be damned either way, but it would have been nice if he had released his memo BEFORE the recent FISA vote.

I may be wrong but I was under the impression that he supported the initial creation of FISA.

goldenequity
02-05-2018, 02:31 PM
This is much better than the Bret Baier interview (he's kind of a prick)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHkTXAP7UbU

Multiple Choice:
Before coming to Congress, Devin Nunes was:
a) an attorney
b) a banker
c) a schizophrenic cross dresser
d) a dairy farmer





.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ......moo.

Brian4Liberty
02-05-2018, 02:52 PM
I may be wrong but I was under the impression that he supported the initial creation of FISA.

I believe he supported the new version and opposed the minor reforms. He is definitely invested in the FISA system.

Brian4Liberty
02-05-2018, 02:54 PM
This is much better than the Bret Baier interview (he's kind of a prick)
.....

Bret Baier is a neocon, so that usually explains his prejudices.

Swordsmyth
02-05-2018, 03:28 PM
Carter Page says Nunes memo vindicates him and that defamation legal battle 'just beginning'https://www.yahoo.com/news/carter-page-says-nunes-memo-172900870.html

Swordsmyth
02-05-2018, 03:35 PM
The New York Times is asking the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to unseal secret documents (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4366404-Goldman-Savage-NYT-FISC-Motion-Unseal-Page-FISA.html) related to the wiretapping of Carter Page, the onetime Trump campaign adviser at the center of a disputed memo written by Republican staffers on the House Intelligence Committee.The motion is unusual. No such wiretapping application materials apparently have become public since Congress first enacted the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act in 1978. That law regulates electronic spying on domestic soil — the interception of phone calls and emails — undertaken in the name of monitoring suspected spies and terrorists, as opposed to wiretapping for investigating ordinary criminal suspects.
Normally, even the existence of such material is a closely guarded secret. While applications for criminal wiretaps often eventually become public, the government has refused to disclose the contents of applications for intelligence wiretaps — even to defendants who are later prosecuted on the basis of information derived from them.
But President Trump lowered the shield of secrecy surrounding such materials on Friday by declassifying the Republican memo about Mr. Page (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/us/politics/trump-fbi-memo.html), after finding that the public interest in disclosing its contents outweighed any need to protect the information. Because Mr. Trump did so, the Times argues, there is no longer a justification “for the Page warrant orders and application materials to be withheld in their entirety,” and “disclosure would serve the public interest.”

More at: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/05/us/politics/new-york-times-carter-page-documents-request-unseal.html?smid=tw-share

goldenequity
02-05-2018, 03:38 PM
The New York Times is asking the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to unseal secret documents (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4366404-Goldman-Savage-NYT-FISC-Motion-Unseal-Page-FISA.html) related to the wiretapping of Carter Page, the onetime Trump campaign adviser at the center of a disputed memo written by Republican staffers on the House Intelligence Committee.The motion is unusual. No such wiretapping application materials apparently have become public since Congress first enacted the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act in 1978. That law regulates electronic spying on domestic soil — the interception of phone calls and emails — undertaken in the name of monitoring suspected spies and terrorists, as opposed to wiretapping for investigating ordinary criminal suspects.
Normally, even the existence of such material is a closely guarded secret. While applications for criminal wiretaps often eventually become public, the government has refused to disclose the contents of applications for intelligence wiretaps — even to defendants who are later prosecuted on the basis of information derived from them.
But President Trump lowered the shield of secrecy surrounding such materials on Friday by declassifying the Republican memo about Mr. Page (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/us/politics/trump-fbi-memo.html), after finding that the public interest in disclosing its contents outweighed any need to protect the information. Because Mr. Trump did so, the Times argues, there is no longer a justification “for the Page warrant orders and application materials to be withheld in their entirety,” and “disclosure would serve the public interest.”

More at: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/05/us/politics/new-york-times-carter-page-documents-request-unseal.html?smid=tw-share

awesome.
I 'borrowed' your post to HERE (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?519106-Grassley-and-Graham-Request-to-See-FISA-Application-on-Carter-Page&p=6584559&viewfull=1#post6584559).

Jan2017
02-05-2018, 03:44 PM
More at: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/05/us/politics/new-york-times-carter-page-documents-request-unseal.html?smid=tw-share

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/05/us/politics/new-york-times-carter-page-documents-request-unseal.html

MORE:

The Republican memo acknowledged that the intelligence court had approved surveillance targeting Mr. Page in October 2016
and later approved three applications for 90-day extensions, meaning he was observed for at least a year under the warrant.
The memo named the officials who signed off on the applications and described purported claims and purported omissions
in those materials.


btw, we would also want to know about a potential rejected FISA warrant application - very rare for a rejection - in July(?) 2016 -
before Comey et al. had a fabricated dossier produced for the successful application/renewals referenced above.


Top Secret FISA Court Order - President Obama Spying on Political Enemies
https://www.scribd.com/document/349542716/Top-Secret-FISA-Court-Order-President-Obama-Spying-on-Political-Enemies?irgwc=1&content=10079&campaign=Skimbit%2C%20Ltd.&ad_group=725X700959X491680e1f22375d6c9ed6b0bc07360 99&keyword=ft750noi&source=impactradius&medium=affiliate


These matters are before the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court on the Government's ExParte Submission
of Reauthorization Certifications . . . filed on September 26, 2016("September 26, 2016 Submission")
and the Government's Ex Parte Submission of Amendments . . . filed on March 30, 2017("March 30, 2017 Submission")

. . . ("January 27, 2017 Order")

page 87 of 99
re :"FISA Docket No. [ ] Opinion and Order of FISA Court May 17, 2016"

"indefinite retention of electronic information by the government (FBI) on the described systems in a subsequent filing"
see December 29, 2016 Report at 10-11"

This is the secret FISA court report that was declassified and released in April 2017.
It stated that the Obama unmasking was illegal and criticised the FBI for not knowing what they were doing
and trying to cover their breaking of the law.
htttttps://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf

Apr 28, 2017 - intelligences surveillance Court. APR 26 2017. LeeAnn Flynn Hall, Clerk of Court. TOP SECRETASA ORCONANOFORN. UNITED STATES. '''-row. Watt-i saat l'auldsw-ee-. FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SURVEILLANCE COURT. WASHINGTON, D.C.. MEMORANDUM OPINION AND ORDER.

Madison320
02-05-2018, 04:15 PM
I believe he supported the new version and opposed the minor reforms. He is definitely invested in the FISA system.

Yeah, I should have looked it up first. Apparently it was formed under Carter in the late 70's but then they ramped it up after 9/11.

It reminds me of the time when Rush Limbaugh got busted for opioids. He got caught in the net he supported.

seapilot
02-05-2018, 04:18 PM
This is much better than the Bret Baier interview (he's kind of a prick)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHkTXAP7UbU

Multiple Choice:
Before coming to Congress, Devin Nunes was:
a) an attorney
b) a banker
c) a schizophrenic cross dresser
d) a dairy farmer





.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ......moo.

No wonder he knows how to get things done when he is surrounded by BS.

Jan2017
02-05-2018, 06:28 PM
btw, we would also want to know about a potential rejected FISA warrant application - very rare for a rejection - in July(?) 2016 -
before Comey et al. had a fabricated dossier produced for the successful application/renewals referenced above.

on best available information - very rare indeed . . .

"The FISA Court has received more than 34,000 applications to spy on Americans since its founding in 1978,
turning down only 12 applications in that time, or just .0312%."

timosman
02-05-2018, 07:03 PM
I can see how Nunes would be damned either way, but it would have been nice if he had released his memo BEFORE the recent FISA vote.

It was probably negotiated as a part of the agreement to release the memo.

Brian4Liberty
02-05-2018, 08:47 PM
It was probably negotiated as a part of the agreement to release the memo.

You never know.

milgram
02-05-2018, 09:03 PM
Another Nunes interview - the longest I've heard so far - with Rush Limbaugh
Lasts about 25 min

https://youtu.be/_BB50kNr_YM?t=1h14m18s

Danke
02-05-2018, 10:13 PM
Another Nunes interview - the longest I've heard so far - with Rush Limbaugh
Lasts about 25 min

https://youtu.be/_BB50kNr_YM?t=1h14m18s


Wow.

that deserves a triple Zippy.

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timosman
02-05-2018, 11:07 PM
Wow.

that deserves a triple Zippy.

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