State of the Union 2018

[kpitcher]

key points for this week's address

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/26/trump-state-of-the-union-to-focus-on-economy-trade-immigration.html

According to the White House, the speech will focus on five main policy areas: jobs and the economy, infrastructure, immigration, trade and national security.

Trump will also address the immigration framework the White House previewed earlier this week, which offers a path to citizenship for nearly 2 million undocumented young people in exchange for $25 billion in funding for border security and draconian cuts to current legal immigration levels.

[timosman]

Will he read The Memo?:cool:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/01/growing-calls-president-trump-read-explosive-fisa-memo-state-union-address/

[enhanced_deficit]

This SOTU speech might get bit overshadowed by the latest WSJ reports on Peggy Peterson-Stormy Daniels hush money payment/shell company scandal and resiggnation of Trump bud Wynn as RNC finance bundler. There were already shell companies/money laundering allegations following Bannon's claims that has landed him an interview with Mueller.

As for broader politics, won't be too surprised if more of GOP base revolted and turned on Trump, Javanka wing of moderate neocons, Wall Street, Big Biz GOP alliance. Bannon, Ann Coulter, Tucker, Freedom caucus could be part of growing list.

[parocks]

Will he be talking about "day of the rope"? Want to hear about "day of the rope". Don't really care about the other stuff.

[Matt Collins]

Speculation Trump will read the memo at the SOTU.... I don't think he will, I think he'll wait a few days.

[enhanced_deficit]

Despite all crazy speculation in last few days, FLOTUS will attend. On google news frontpage now:

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRz3VwfFukbnVfI3Q9sBI8w4XaHk-Aj2cDxUz-hDArUPqoN334pfu2gJMPS6Yet7WWEQQ58IgmOzTc (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/29/us/politics/melania-trump-state-of-the-union.html)
Melania Trump, Out of Sight Since Report of Husband's Infidelity, to Attend State of the Union
(https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/29/us/politics/melania-trump-state-of-the-union.html)New York Times 3h ago



As mentioned in unofficial thread, this SOTU speech might get bit overshadowed by the latest WSJ reports on Peggy Peterson-Stormy Daniels hush money payment/shell company scandal and resignation of Trump bud Wynn as RNC finance bundler. There were already shell companies/money laundering allegations following Bannon's claims that has landed him an interview with Mueller.

As for broader politics, won't be too surprised if more of GOP base revolted and turned on Trump, Javanka wing of moderate neocons, Wall Street, Big Biz GOP alliance. Bannon, Ann Coulter, Tucker, Freedom caucus could be part of growing list.

[timosman]

https://i.imgur.com/E7C1kaQ.png

[Swordsmyth]

https://i.imgur.com/E7C1kaQ.png

LOL

[enhanced_deficit]

Hopefully none of this will be repeated today.

http://www.cashill.com/images/joe_wilson_you_lie.jpg

https://image.cagle.com/192264/1155/192264.png





Unrelated

https://plxqmjeom0e7pd4c-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Hillary-Tweet-Trump-O-BC-450x216.png

[nikcers]

Speculation Trump will read the memo at the SOTU.... I don't think he will, I think he'll wait a few days.

Rand Paul insinuated that someone told him that he was being tapped by the feds while he was running for president, I wonder if we are ever going to hear the whole story on this. I think it will be like the JFK files that we waited all this time to see and we still didn't get to see everything.

[shakey1]

https://i.imgur.com/E7C1kaQ.png


LOL

Damn, outa rep!

[timosman]

Damn, outa rep!


Which is why I want the names of every supporter who makes a special contribution today broadcast during my speech.

Can somebody spend $1 and put Zippy Juan name there? RPF?

[bunklocoempire]

Ron Paul's 'The Real State Of The Union' (http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2018/january/30/ron-pauls-the-real-state-of-the-union/)

Atta boy, Liberty Report. :cool:

[goldenequity]

key points for this week's address

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/26/trump-state-of-the-union-to-focus-on-economy-trade-immigration.html
According to the White House, the speech will focus on five main policy areas: jobs and the economy, infrastructure, immigration, trade and national security.


gee... I really hope he covers foreign policy.

Trump Has Already Killed More Civilians Than Obama in U.S. Fight Against ISIS
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-has-already-killed-more-civilians-obama-us-fight-against-isis-653564

Trump Has Killed More Civilians with Illegal Drone Strikes in 9 Months Than Obama Did in 8 Years
http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/archives/trump-has-killed-more-civilians-with-illegal-drone-strikes-in-9-months-than-obama-did-in-8-years

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DH2PB4UWsAEoRG3.jpg:small

US air wars under Trump: increasingly indiscriminate, increasingly opaque
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/23/us-air-wars-trump

More Warfare, Bombing, Deaths in Trump's First Year
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/trump-brings-bombs-deaths-first-year-president/

==========

Yemen

JulianAssange blasts US ‘subservience to Saudis’ as Trump triples drone strikes in Yemen
https://www.rt.com/news/417397-yemen-drone-strikes-trump-saudi/

US to loosen nuclear weapons constraints and develop more 'usable' warheads
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/09/us-to-loosen-nuclear-weapons-policy-and-develop-more-usable-warheads

"Jon Wolfsthal, who was special assistant to Barack Obama on arms control and nonproliferation, said the new nuclear posture review prepared by the Pentagon, envisages a modified version of the Trident D5 submarine-launched missiles with only part of its normal warhead, with the intention of deterring Russia from using tactical warheads in a conflict in Eastern Europe."

Pompeo: CIA chief says China 'as big a threat to US' as Russia
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42867076

EU decides not to support strengthening of anti-Russian sanctions - Belgian PM

NYT
Attacks Reveal What U.S. Won’t: Victory Remains Elusive in Afghanistan
http://archive.is/EnPBY

Elizabeth McLaughlin
"The Taliban are in retreat, the Afghan military is on the brink of assuming control of the country..."
Right. Three successive presidential administrations have said over 16 years about the war in Afghanistan.

US censors Afghanistan report after surge in attacks
http://archive.is/BMj7l
"The US has for the first time banned its inspector in Afghanistan SIGARHQ from publishing data on how much of the country is controlled by the Taliban"

The series of terror attacks that took place in Afghanistan in recent days proves that it is wrong to try to settle the Afghan situation by force, the Russian Foreign Ministry's press service said on Tuesday.

[enhanced_deficit]

Coulter being herself as usual:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/29/ann-coulter-jeff-sessions-better-be-ready-to-arrest-congressmen-bringing-illegal-aliens-to-trumps-sotu/

[dannno]

gee... I really hope he covers foreign policy.

It's too bad that a George Soros organization is supposedly the most credible source on these numbers.... but to be fair, was Obama really fighting ISIS?

[oyarde]

Rand Paul insinuated that someone told him that he was being tapped by the feds while he was running for president, I wonder if we are ever going to hear the whole story on this. I think it will be like the JFK files that we waited all this time to see and we still didn't get to see everything.

I would expect he is still tapped if he has not been checking . I am sure they are keeping tabs on people they find to be a lesser risk to the establishment than Rand .

[Danke]

Coulter being herself as usual:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/29/ann-coulter-jeff-sessions-better-be-ready-to-arrest-congressmen-bringing-illegal-aliens-to-trumps-sotu/


That makes sense. It’d be awesome to see the legislators arrested.

[timosman]

I would expect he is still tapped if he has not been checking . I am sure they are keeping tabs on people they find to be a lesser risk to the establishment than Rand .

Now imagine you are hearing bad things about Rand and allow them to brainwash you into hating him. Would you break his ribs if you were his neighbor and a professional rib breaker?:cool:

[Jan2017]

Tuesday, Jan. 30 at 9 p.m. ET


"Finding a place to watch the SOTU online will be easy. Most major networks will stream the address,
including CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-state-of-the-union-address-2018-01-30-live-blog-live-stream-updates/), C-SPAN (https://www.c-span.org/video/?439496-1/president-trump-delivers-state-union-address), PBS (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-president-donald-trump-delivers-first-state-of-the-union-address) and Reuters (https://www.reuters.tv/live) will offer live streams of the address.
You can also watch the State of the Union from the White House pages on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/WhiteHouse/), Twitter (https://twitter.com/i/events/955516753546629120) and YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/user/whitehouse)."
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/state-of-the-union-2018-start-time-how-to-stream-and-more/

2018 State of the Union Address
https://www.c-span.org/video/?439496-1/president-trump-delivers-state-union-address
Tonight at 8:00 pm ET C-SPAN previews the State of the Union address showing the events up to the address including the motorcade from the White House (https://www.c-span.org/organization/?929/White-House) and the senators proceeding to the House chamber. Live coverage of the address at 9:00 pm ET.

[RonZeplin]

Ron Paul's 'The Real State Of The Union' (http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2018/january/30/ron-pauls-the-real-state-of-the-union/)

Tonight's State of the Union speech will be in equal measure gloating and glumness depending on which political party you ask. As usual there will be plenty of mugging for the cameras with the artificial idea that there really any fundamental differences between the two. The warfare state will get its big boost as will the welfare state. Plenty for everyone in the dreamland that is the US global empire. But what is the real state of the United States? How about our security? Our prosperity? Our liberty? Today's Liberty Report is completely uninterested in political parties or making bumper-sticker points. We're digging down to the real state of the union. Please join us...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3lneiaEwAY

[Danke]

Firing up the DVR, might share it with Jules latter.

[timosman]

Firing up the DVR, might share it with Jules latter.

Set another one for Maxine.:cool:

[Danke]

Set another one for Maxine.:cool:


Don’t have BET, you’ll have to cover that one for me. Though Jules is probably already a subscriber.

[timosman]

Don’t have BET, you’ll have to cover that one for me. Though Jules is probably already a subscriber.

Don't have BET either. SOTU is on most free channels including PBS. I think somebody owns us.:cool:

[Valli6]

958495518837092352

[juleswin]

Firing up the DVR, might share it with Jules latter.

Jules and Danke frolicking under the sheets
Watching daddy, razzle dazzle the sheep.

Me like :D

[timosman]

Listen to the speech from the owners perspective. :cool:

[timosman]

Some SCOTUS members excused themselves from attending. How the fuck do they run the place?

[Danke]

That was great, I could watch it over and over again.

[newbitech]

in case anyone needs it, here is the c-span linkage.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?439496-1/president-trump-delivers-state-union-address

[timosman]

Audio was bad as he opened.

[r3volution 3.0]

I'm mostly interested in what the bond market has to say.

The blond fellow is interesting only insofar as he mentions, or doesn't, spending and the deficit.

[euphemia]

Mrs Trump and Mrs Pence came early to visit with the President’s guests. I have a feeling Karen Pence (former Firwt Lady of Indiana)has been a great help to Melania Trump.

[kahless]

I hope they give Ron more than 88 seconds this time.

[AuH20]

SOTU are unbearable, and I don't mind Trump.

[PursuePeace]

LOL@Pelosi.

[AuH20]

Stock buybacks from a phony money cartel don't count as economic growth.

[euphemia]

This speech is genius. Trump is saying things that are hard not to applaud. He’s playing the hardcore libs for the fools they are.

[AuH20]

ROFL I love the individual mandate dig.

[euphemia]

In the interest of facts, Trump has not been President for less than a year. He was inaugurated on Jan 20, which is a year and ten days ago. A tiny bit more than a year.

[euphemia]

Rand, dude, please fix your hair. I get he’s in pain, but he wouldn’t hurt more with combed hair.

[parocks]

This speech is genius. Trump is saying things that are hard not to applaud. He’s playing the hardcore libs for the fools they are.

Trump is hitting a home run so far. Individual mandate gone. Bigger standard deduction. These are things that people would like. Trump comes across pretty damn well without being filtered by the media.

[TER]

Rand, dude, please fix your hair. I get he’s in pain, but he wouldn’t hurt more with combed hair.

Lol I was thinking the same thing!

[timosman]

Made them stand.:cool:

[TER]

In GOD we trust

[timosman]

How does it compare to Obama? I didn't watch.

[euphemia]

In the meantime Justice Ginsberg is hanging upside down in some cave down by the Potomac.

[r3volution 3.0]

In the interest of facts, Trump has not been President for less than a year. He was inaugurated on Jan 20, which is a year and ten days ago. A tiny bit more than a year.

...in which time the debt has increased by well over $500 billion.


This speech is genius. Trump is saying things that are hard not to applaud. He’s playing the hardcore libs for the fools they are.

Demagogue (noun): A demagogue or rabble-rouser is a leader in a democracy who gains popularity by exploiting prejudice and ignorance among the common people, whipping up the passions of the crowd and shutting down reasoned deliberation

[AuH20]

Trump's cutting of the corporate rate to 22 pct is his greatest achievement to date.

[timosman]

US is where the action is.

[PursuePeace]

In the meantime Justice Ginsberg is hanging upside down in some cave down by the Potomac.

Ok, that was pretty funny.

[timosman]

...in which time the debt has increased by well over $500 billion.



Demagogue (noun): A demagogue or rabble-rouser is a leader in a democracy who gains popularity by exploiting prejudice and ignorance among the common people, whipping up the passions of the crowd and shutting down reasoned deliberation

Could you refrain from making comments until the speech is over?

[r3volution 3.0]

10Y UST 2.716

[Valli6]

How does it compare to Obama? I didn't watch.

He's not shaming anyone.

[dannno]

Trump: "The price of drugs is too damn high!"

:D

[Zippyjuan]

Could you refrain from making comments until the speech is over?

You could stop reading until he is done talking about how amazing Trump is.

[euphemia]

“The right to try.” Wow.

[Valli6]

:D Pelosi's face!

[Jan2017]

:D Pelosi's face!

Ryan looks like a dork behind Trump in the PBS stream

[timosman]

You could stop reading until he is done talking about how amazing Trump is.

Then I would miss your great comments. :cool:

[timosman]

Trump just merged with USA. It is gonna be fun. Not like the previous guy. He was very sad.

[PursuePeace]

:D Pelosi's face!

Pretty sure she popped a few of these in her mouth before this thing started...

http://sweets.seriouseats.com/images/2011/09/20110920-OctoberCandy-Warheads.jpg

[euphemia]

Poor Bernie.

[pcosmar]

Ok,, Prison reform?

what is that going to look like?

[dannno]

This speech is genius. Trump is saying things that are hard not to applaud. He’s playing the hardcore libs for the fools they are.

Pretty much this.

Now he is really ribbing them :D

[timosman]

He's not shaming anyone.

You would think the previous asshole would know it.:rolleyes:

[kahless]

I hope every piece of shit Democrat in that chamber and their media shills do not turn away from seeing those parents.

[AuH20]

Brentwood is a mess. I can attest.

[dannno]

omg... he is fucking w/ the dems so hard... brings in a black family that got devastated by MS-13 (daughter was slain)

[r3volution 3.0]

omg..

Did you ruin your pants?

[timosman]

Trump is a racist. He just said MS-13 are terrible people.

[Jan2017]

Dems are getting bedsores from so much sitting

[dannno]

Did you ruin your pants?

Do you NOT see the looks on the dems faces rn???

[kahless]

omg... he is fucking w/ the dems so hard... brings in a black family that got devastated by MS-13 (daughter was slain)

Dems were booing just seconds before that.

[dannno]

Trump is a racist. He just said MS-13 are terrible people.

You finally tuned in.. had you tuned in 2 minutes earlier you would have seen the setup (discussed above)

[devil21]

And here comes the big ol' DACA backstab to Trump's base.

But hey, at least there will be 14 hour shifts at the sparkling new Foxconn plant in the area. Quit smoking. The Chinese don't recognize smoke breaks.

[Raginfridus]

What's the verdict? How's the "Union" this year, still shitting the bed?


Ok,, Prison reform?

what is that going to look like?More prisoners doing more time for stupid shit. Fewer daycare amenities. Gotta make prison great again.

[juleswin]

This is the bread and circus act for those people who they are woke. And people say the state is incompetent. Lol

[AuH20]

Trump may try to put the genie back in the bottle that followed the 1965 INA disaster.

[KEEF]

Is he going to read the memos?

[devil21]

Is he going to read the memos?

:snort:

[Zippyjuan]

omg... he is $#@!ing w/ the dems so hard... brings in a black family that got devastated by MS-13 (daughter was slain)

Since everybody knows all immigrants are members of MS-13.

[timosman]

This is the bread and circus act for those people who they are woke. And people say the state is incompetent. Lol

You have to admit it is a better show than Obama's.

[timosman]

Since everybody knows all immigrants are members of MS-13.

I think everybody knows your logic is often flawed.:cool:

Maybe you should be trolling high schoolers? Or is it too hard?

[Valli6]

Since everybody knows all immigrants are members of MS-13.

The families that lost their daughters are probably immigrants.

[kahless]

I suspect the average Democrat viewer is surprised by the speech and supports the President. This is a disaster for the Democrat party and they only made it worse with their behavior in chamber.

The Dems and the shill media will pin their hopes on spinning the entire speech into something sinister hoping the average folks did not watch it.

[timosman]

The families that lost their daughters are probably immigrants.

I think Zippy is a ****. I think somebody insinuated it before. Is this how rumors start? On the other hand who would be putting up with avalanches of neg reps?:confused:

[AuH20]

No, not the Zio shilling. US should have no say where their capital is.

[Zippyjuan]

Trump wants unlimited powers when it comes to anybody he labels a "terrorist". More unlimited detentions and "secret rendition" and locking people up for years without any rights or any charges actually filed against them.

[parocks]

I suspect the average Democrat viewer is surprised by the speech and supports the President. This is a disaster for the Democrat party and they only made it worse with their behavior in chamber.

The Dems and the shill media will pin their hopes on spinning the entire speech into something sinister hoping the average folks did not watch it.

Good speech, delivered well, and he isn't saying much of anything that too many people can disagree with.

[devil21]

This entire speech is about the side effects of the dollar losing global reserve status.

[timosman]

The DEMS. Sorry we have a secret. We work but not only for you. Here is you brother from another mother! You like them? :cool:

[AuH20]

Despite some obvious flaws, Trump has a better platform than Reagan.

[timosman]

Trump wants unlimited powers when it comes to anybody he labels a "terrorist". More unlimited detentions and "secret rendition" and locking people up for years without any rights or any charges actually filed against them.

You want unlimited powers over whoever is yelled at RACIST. Team Trump advantage. :cool:

[r3volution 3.0]

Do you NOT see the looks on the dems faces rn???

O, well, if the Dems are angry, I guess he must be doing a good job...

:rolleyes:

[kahless]

Good speech, delivered well, and he isn't saying much of anything that too many people can disagree with.

Exactly why I came to the conclusion I did. If Trump said he is against stepping on puppies and kittens the Democrats would still scowl, stay seated and not clap.

Anyone watching sees their childish behavior.

[euphemia]

I suspect the average Democrat viewer is surprised by the speech and supports the President...

The Dems and the shill media will pin their hopes on spinning the entire speech into something sinister hoping the average folks did not watch it.

And the average Democrat will be scratching their heads, wondering what speech the shills were listening to.

[Brian4Liberty]

958540258248986627
https://twitter.com/RonPaul/status/958540258248986627

[AuH20]

958540258248986627
https://twitter.com/RonPaul/status/958540258248986627

He's nuts. Trump declined to issue new sanctions on Russia.

Ron ruins valid commentary by making absurd claims like that. Trump may be the only one standing between us and WW3.

[r3volution 3.0]

Good speech, delivered well, and he isn't saying much of anything that too many people can disagree with.

Now you've got it.

[Zippyjuan]

Exactly why I came to the conclusion I did. If Trump said he is against stepping on puppies and kittens the Democrats would still scowl, stay seated and not clap.

Anyone watching sees their childish behavior.

That is the duty of the opposition party. Republicans sat and scowled during Obama speeches too.

https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/newshour/app/uploads/2015/01/RTR4M888-1024x661.jpg

[Brian4Liberty]

Good speech, delivered well, and he isn't saying much of anything that too many people can disagree with.

Foreign policy is pretty glaringly wrongheaded. Crony MIC worship.

[euphemia]

Who would have thought a SOTU speech would be such a tearjerker?

[timosman]

O, well, if the Dems are angry, I guess he must be doing a good job...

:rolleyes:

Thank you for trying. :D

[Valli6]

O, well, if the Dems are angry, I guess he must be doing a good job...
:rolleyes:

It's not so much anger. It's more like bewilderment or confusion.

[timosman]

Who would have thought a SOTU speech would be such a tearjerker?

Exactly. Talk about missed opportunities.

[parocks]

Now you've got it.

Lot of shout outs to great heroes.

I can't complain. And there isn't anything really to complain about.

What, you think he's going to go up there and say something that's going to piss people off?

[timosman]

Foreign policy is pretty glaringly wrongheaded. Crony MIC worship.

Hopefully this is only temporary. He knows these fuckers are not good for business.

[kahless]

That is the duty of the opposition party. Republicans sat and scowled during Obama speeches too.

Not to this extent.

[r3volution 3.0]

That is the duty of the opposition party. Republicans sat and scowled during Obama speeches too.

No, Zippy, you Democrat shill; as we all know, the GOP (unlike the Dems) are principled when out of power.

For instance, they spent 8 years talking about repealing Obamacare and cutting spending and now...

...well, things are different now, but they really meant and it and weren't bullshitting, I tells ya!

[KEEF]

Anyone know what they were barking there when he called the capital our monument?

[euphemia]

Foreign policy is pretty glaringly wrongheaded. Crony MIC worship.

I’m not sure I agree. Trump is speaking in the context of direct threats. He’s not trying to start a war. What I hear is, “If North Korea wants to start something, they can go ahead and try. They won’t get far.”

Liberty lovers agree with strong national defense. Citizens can self-defend to a point, but a nation needs a trained, mobilized defense. We can’t go against missles with shotguns.

[parocks]

Foreign policy is pretty glaringly wrongheaded. Crony MIC worship.

Yeah, maybe, I'm not paying close attention. I don't remember the President who said something like "lets do less military stuff". Foreign policy is pretty generic, I'd say. He's a good talker, he's as good as Obama at talking.

[timosman]

The money saved on prosecuting Hillary will be donated to Veteran orgs. The saved money will also be used for a monument to Hillary. The first woman who realized she was wrong. We love you Hillary.

[Anti Globalist]

Looks like Gitmo isn't closing anytime soon.

[Zippyjuan]

Not to this extent.

(2015 State of Union)

http://www.msnbc.com/sites/msnbc/files/styles/ratio--3-2--770x513/public/rtr4m87b.jpg?itok=XoT65Z73

http://www.dailyherald.com/storyimage/DA/20150120/news/150129832/EP/1/14/EP-150129832.jpg&updated=201501202242&MaxW=800&maxH=800&noborder

[timosman]

If you wronged us in the past, we kindly say, fuck you.:cool:

[TER]

Awesome speech. Well done Mr. President.

[parocks]

No, Zippy, you Democrat shill; as we all know, the GOP (unlike the Dems) are principled when out of power.

For instance, they spent 8 years talking about repealing Obamacare and cutting spending and now...

...well, things are different now, but they really meant and it and weren't bullshitting, I tells ya!

Didn't Trump say in this speech that the individual mandate was gone?

********************

Speech over, good job Trump, we got to meet a lot of great heroes and hear their stories.

[Jan2017]

Maxine is up to bat . . .

[kahless]

He's nuts. Trump declined to issue new sanctions on Russia.

Ron ruins valid commentary by making absurd claims like that. Trump may be the only one standing between WW3.

He also bucked Congress on Russia sanctions.

Ron is a member of the press now running a business. No doubt he was going to make some noise after SOTU regardless so people tune into to his videos and site for Ad revenue. Maybe a little bit bitter that it is not his son up there right now and he may not be alive long enough to see that day, understandable.

[Zippyjuan]

Trump nearly set a record- one hour and 20 minutes. Record is 128 minutes by Clinton in 2000 (his final year). Obama's ran about an hour.

[dannno]

O, well, if the Dems are angry, I guess he must be doing a good job...

:rolleyes:

No, they are not angry, they are confused and undergoing immense amounts of cognitive dissonance...

[KEEF]

http://www.msnbc.com/sites/msnbc/files/styles/ratio--3-2--770x513/public/rtr4m87b.jpg?itok=XoT65Z73
Looks like a bunch of bloated bureaucrats waiting for their cheese pizza and hotdogs.

[KEEF]

Biggest complaint from media pundits right now is how long it was and Trump clapping for himself.

[euphemia]

Well, Pelosi just went flying down the aisle. Probably going to join Ginsberg.

[timosman]

Awesome speech. Well done Mr. President.

I could work for this guy! Tim Osman on RPF aka. Osama bin Ladin while the DEMS were going home crying. :cool:

[AuH20]

He is a member of the press now running a business. No doubt he was going to make some noise after SOTU regardless so people tune into to his videos and site for Ad revenue. Maybe a little bit bitter that it is not his son up there right now and he may not be alive long enough to see that day, understandable.

I don't mind valid criticism, but come on Ron. Trump sees eye to eye with Putin despite all the blood thirsty hawks he's surrounded by. Cold War is not reignited as long as Trump is in power. Jeez.

Sure, you can hit him on MIC worship and defense spending, but that was just an asinine statement.

[kahless]

(2015 State of Union)

They did not sit, scowl and not clap the entire time. Only for specific legislation they opposed.

As opposed to the Dems tonight.

[timosman]

Maxine is up to bat . . .

OMG. Does anybody have a stream?

[enhanced_deficit]

Good performance from former reality TV star. He did not come across as a hardcore tool of MIC, neocons, wall street, zionist lobbies etc who lacks mental capacity to think through complex issues on his own and flip flops his views on whims of his handlers. Good job in staying clear of controversial issues like Memogate, Mueller, Sessions, Bannon, Peggy Peterson Essential LLC etc.

Why did they have Javanka stand up when he talked about Israel embassy?

[r3volution 3.0]

Didn't Trump say in this speech that the individual mandate was gone?

********************

Speech over, good job Trump, we got to meet a lot of great heroes and hear their stories.

LMAO..

Sarcasm, I hope?

[nikcers]

Ron Paul's TLDW

958543883759169536

958540258248986627

[Zippyjuan]

Wasn't much on specifics for policies other than to say how wonderful everything is (except for those murdering immigrants).

[Jan2017]

Funny to watch Dems on one of the last moments on PBS live stream . . .

all sitting, then looking at each other, a couple stand and seem to turn around as to say
"We better stand on this one guys, the cameras are on us"

[r3volution 3.0]

It's not so much anger. It's more like bewilderment or confusion.

What an important distinction..

[enhanced_deficit]

Will he be talking about "day of the rope"? Want to hear about "day of the rope". Don't really care about the other stuff.

Too lazy to look it up, what is DOTR?

[r3volution 3.0]

Lot of shout outs to great heroes.

I can't complain. And there isn't anything really to complain about.

What, you think he's going to go up there and say something that's going to piss people off?

...except everything there was to complain about 4, 8, 12, or 16 years ago.

So, yes, if you're happy with the status quo, you should be thrilled.

[Zippyjuan]

"Protect the nuclear family by ending chain migration". Ending chain migration means that (immigrant) families cannot be united. That is "protecting families"?

[Jan2017]

"Protect the nuclear family by ending chain migration". Ending chain migration means that (immigrant) families cannot be united.
Yeah, grandma doesn't need to come with all the cousins - parents and minor children only - how cruel !

[Danke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox4IRQVGsBU

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox4IRQVGsBU

Beware of wrapping things in the flag. That is how we got the Patriot Act and the Iraq war. "Either you are with us or you are for the terrorists!"

[nikcers]

He's nuts. Trump declined to issue new sanctions on Russia.

Ron ruins valid commentary by making absurd claims like that. Trump may be the only one standing between us and WW3.
If I could I would neg you again. Ron Paul's commentary is consistent, its you that has changed.

[r3volution 3.0]

"Protect the nuclear family by ending chain migration". Ending chain migration means that (immigrant) families cannot be united. That is "protecting families"?

Shut up you Democrat shill, reason's for cucks.

[KEEF]

Another Kennedy? Man those Kennedy’s are like rabbits.

[dannno]

"Protect the nuclear family by ending chain migration". Ending chain migration means that (immigrant) families cannot be united. That is "protecting families"?

Sure they can, just not with their second cousins..

[timosman]

Zippy is an anarchist.:cool:

[tommyrp12]

FFS....

[AuH20]

If I could I would neg you again. Ron Paul's commentary is consistent, its you that has changed.

He's absolutely wrong, given that Trump is one of the most pro-Russian presidents in recent memory.

[nikcers]

He also bucked Congress on Russia sanctions.

Ron is a member of the press now running a business. No doubt he was going to make some noise after SOTU regardless so people tune into to his videos and site for Ad revenue. Maybe a little bit bitter that it is not his son up there right now and he may not be alive long enough to see that day, understandable.
The neocons all came out to praise Trumps foreign policy and bash Ron Paul on a Ron Paul website. So brave.

[Valli6]

oh fV(k these kennedys!

[axiomata]

Sure they can, just not with their second cousins..

Or parents, siblings, and adult children.

[sparebulb]

"Protect the nuclear family by ending chain migration". Ending chain migration means that (immigrant) families cannot be united. That is "protecting families"?


You protect the families that are here by preventing criminal relatives of immigrants from entering the country and murdering them.

It is really quite that simple, Zippy.

[euphemia]

Maxine is up to bat . . .

Fixed it for you. ;)

[nikcers]

He's absolutely wrong, given that Trump is one of the most pro-Russian presidents in recent memory.
Trump is the most pro Israel president in recent memory. Trump is just a straw man, get the fuck out of here with that neocon bullshit.

[r3volution 3.0]

I seem to recall candidate Trump being judged as non-supporting of the site mission, some years ago.

Now we have this promotional thread.

Can someone tell me what changed, and, especially, why any libertarian should continue to frequent this place?

[timosman]

Shut up you Democrat shill, reason's for cucks.

A well deserved -rep

[axiomata]

Tell me where the libertarians went and I'll leave and let RPF devolve into a Fred Thompson Forum.

[Zippyjuan]

I seem to recall candidate Trump being judged as non-supporting of the site mission, some years ago.

Now we have this promotional thread.

Can someone tell me what changed, and, especially, why any libertarian should continue to frequent this place?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/16/ron-paul-calls-donald-trump-a-dangerous-authoritar/


Ron Paul calls Donald Trump a ‘dangerous’ authoritarian: ‘The opposite of a Libertarian’

Former Republican Rep. Ron Paul on Wednesday blasted GOP presidential hopeful Donald Trump as a “dangerous” authoritarian on a power trip who won’t value civil liberties the way a U.S. president should.

“I think he’s is a dangerous person,” said Mr. Paul, whose son, Sen. Rand Paul is running against Mr. Trump for the Republican presidential nomination.

“And a lot of people find him sort of funny, and love him, even Libertarian types,” Mr. Paul, who is now a registered Libertarian, lamented on Fox News Radio. “They like him because he’s so disruptive to the party system, and I enjoy that too. But I think he’s a man that if conditions deteriorate, which they can — see I work on the assumption that the world is no more stable than Greece, and if those conditions come, people want to be told what to do: ‘And I know what the answer is, and I’ll do this, and I am the man to this.’

“And [Mr. Trump] comes across this very well, and people listen to him, and I believe he may be raising white horses someplace and he’s going to ride in,” Mr. Paul continued. “Because he is almost the opposite of a Libertarian, because it’s not like ‘I want to give you your freedom and your liberty to run your life as you choose. Your civil liberties are absolutely yours, you can’t hurt anybody, it’s your own money you can spend it any way you want.’ But he sounds like the person, ‘I know the answers and I’m going to do this and I’ve done this, I’ve done this, this and this.’”

“An authoritarian?” Fox’s Alan Colmes asked.

“He’s an authoritarian and that’s the way he claims he made all his money. So I see that as dangerous,” Mr. Paul responded.



http://reason.com/blog/2017/12/27/ron-paul-a-popular-libertarian-candidate


Trump was able to co-opt much of the messaging of an establishment that has maintained a bipartisan consensus on these issues without offering much of substance to voters committed to the values of freedom.

"The appearance of the libertarian movement has been set back partially because of Trump, but intellectually we've been doing well," Paul said.

[kahless]

The neocons all came out to praise Trumps foreign policy and bash Ron Paul on a Ron Paul website. So brave.

Neocon? Congress just overwhelmingly voted for Russia sanctions and Trump declined it. Trump is trying to avoid a war with Russia regardless of the provocative statements the Dems, their shill media and Neocons in the GOP are saying.

If you want Russia sanctions and war with Russia, then who is the Neocon you fucking moron.

[timosman]

Tell me where the libertarians went and I'll leave and let RPF devolve into a Fred Thompson Forum.

Please don't leave us. :cool:

[nikcers]

I’m not sure I agree. Trump is speaking in the context of direct threats. He’s not trying to start a war. What I hear is, “If North Korea wants to start something, they can go ahead and try. They won’t get far.”

Liberty lovers agree with strong national defense. Citizens can self-defend to a point, but a nation needs a trained, mobilized defense. We can’t go against missles with shotguns.
We are still surrounding Iran and Russia and China with Troops and military and we are just defending ourselves? You have been drinking the orange cool-aid. I can't believe this I usually don't disagree with you.

[AuH20]

Neocon? Congress just overwhelmingly voted for Russia sanctions and Trump declined it. Trump is trying to avoid a war with Russia regardless of the provocative statements the Dems, their shill media and Neocons in the GOP are saying.

If you want Russia sanctions and war with Russia, then who is the Neocon you $#@!ing moron.

Pretty much spot on. I don't like Trump's associations with Israel, but his steadfast relationship with Russia should be commended. The sharing of intelligence to defuse a potential terrorist threat was particularly bold on his end.

[timosman]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/16/ron-paul-calls-donald-trump-a-dangerous-authoritar/

You should mention it is from 2015. Out of all people. :cool:

[nikcers]

Neocon? Congress just overwhelmingly voted for Russia sanctions and Trump declined it. Trump is trying to avoid a war with Russia regardless of the provocative statements the Dems, their shill media and Neocons in the GOP are saying.

If you want Russia sanctions and war with Russia, then who is the Neocon you $#@!ing moron.
The neocon is the guy who is saying that Ron Paul is fake news on a Ron Paul forum because Paul' disagrees with Trump's foreign policy and tweeted about it.

[timosman]

Pretty much spot on. I don't like Trump's associations with Israel, but his steadfast relationship with Russia should be commended.

Yes. I don't want to fight ruskies. They are mean. :cool:

[euphemia]

Well, the ginger boy Kennedy is full of crap.

[timosman]

The neocon is the guy who is saying that Ron Paul is fake news on a Ron Paul forum because Paul' disagrees with Trump's foreign policy and tweeted about it.

Why are you doing this today?

[enhanced_deficit]

He's absolutely wrong, given that Trump is one of the most pro-Russian presidents in recent memory.

Most pro-Israel, most pro-Javanka. On Russia, he is more like a militaristic armchair general mixed bag, but next to ISIS enabling left wing neocons/Dems etc he could appear "most pro Russian".

He's is Barack Hussein Obama's gift to America.

Barack Hessein Obama treatment and all that came with it in turn was result of Bush's racially motivated Iraqi freedom war revenge attack. That then leads to 9/11, foreign policy, US support for occupation of Palestinian humans etc.
Trump seems not very informed on military spending/deficits/birtherism type issues.

[Brian4Liberty]

I’m not sure I agree. Trump is speaking in the context of direct threats. He’s not trying to start a war. What I hear is, “If North Korea wants to start something, they can go ahead and try. They won’t get far.”

Liberty lovers agree with strong national defense. Citizens can self-defend to a point, but a nation needs a trained, mobilized defense. We can’t go against missles with shotguns.


Yeah, maybe, I'm not paying close attention. I don't remember the President who said something like "lets do less military stuff". Foreign policy is pretty generic, I'd say. He's a good talker, he's as good as Obama at talking.

The most important thing to the MIC is the bottom line, and Trump says he wants to get rid of the sequester, which somewhat limits spending, so that he can increase military and defense budgets more than they even requested. It's a huge increase in spending. The Iran and North Korea rhetoric is an excuse for that increase.

"Cold War" can be generic, and might also infer arms race (which is what the massive military budget is all about). Trump vacillates on Russia, and he does seem better than the neocons. The first criticisms from the left on CNN was that Trump was too weak on Russia, so they must believe that he is better on Russia than neocon Hillary. Of course when Trump is hanging out with Neocon Nikki, you have to wonder where he really stands.

[AuH20]

Muh Russia.

958545594280267777

[nikcers]

Why are you doing this today?
Ideas are worth fighting for.

[timosman]

Ideas are worth fighting for.

It makes you less genuine. ;)

[euphemia]

We are still surrounding Iran and Russia and China with Troops and military and we are just defending ourselves? You have been drinking the orange cool-aid. I can't believe this I usually don't disagree with you.

No, not really. I don't like that we occupy almost every nation on earth. That should stop yesterday. At the same time, we have a lot of sabre rattling from the little turd in North Korea, and he should know that we are very well prepared to go against anything he wants to toss out there.

[Jan2017]

I seem to recall candidate Trump being judged as non-supporting of the site mission, some years ago.

Now we have this promotional thread.

Can someone tell me what changed, and, especially, why any libertarian should continue to frequent this place?

Rand Paul is a libertarian fiscal conservative GOP Senator from Kentucky - hopefully he will be in the 2020 nomination mix against Pence.

His Dad authored a compilation of the Congressman's comments called "A Foreign Policy of Freedom" . . .
and Trump is moving us - if only an inch - toward the non-interventionist ideas to cut foreign aid to the Pakistans of the world,
and getting the EU to finance there own defense instead of on US taxpayers back.

Yeah, bad that Trump referred to "the nuclear deterence" tonight, while the Doomsday Clock ticks at two minutes to midnight.

[Valli6]

Well, the ginger boy Kennedy is full of crap.

Yes. I can't believe they featured this particular guy - whiter than white - richer than rich - way out of touch with reality - and he doesn't even have that boston accent - nobody's buyin' this guy.

[AuH20]

Muh Russia.

958437468084334592

[kahless]

The neocon is the guy who is saying that Ron Paul is fake news on a Ron Paul forum because Paul' disagrees with Trump's foreign policy and tweeted about it.


"Cold War is alive and well! Military-industrial complex and Deep State still in charge"

I agree with Ron Paul on foreign policy but you have to admit this particular sentence is silly in context.

We are lucky the Deep State has not taken Trump out because of his foreign policy. It is some in the GOP establishment and some Dems that are pushing the cold war and aggressive intervention.

Me thinks Ron did not tweet that.

[Zippyjuan]

No, not really. I don't like that we occupy almost every nation on earth. That should stop yesterday. At the same time, we have a lot of sabre rattling from the little turd in North Korea, and he should know that we are very well prepared to go against anything he wants to toss out there.

Trump has expanded military actions vs Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, and threatened actions against Iran and North Korea. He wants more money for military. He has sent more troops abroad. As for Korea, the only way the US can have any impact on them would be by military actions. We have no political or financial influence on them. Should we attack the "little turd"?

[nikcers]

No, not really. I don't like that we occupy almost every nation on earth. That should stop yesterday. At the same time, we have a lot of sabre rattling from the little turd in North Korea, and he should know that we are very well prepared to go against anything he wants to toss out there.
Which is bullshit, Trump started this shit from the get go, and he announced he was going to go after China for cheating the Americans. He is a strawman so he played it both ways but, his arguments for tarrifs against China, and his secretary of state wanting to stop them from building islands. Do you think that is interventionism or noninterventionism? You can say you like Trump, just admit it, you like him, but don't argue that his policy isn't everything they wanted to get away with but couldn't during the last administration.

[r3volution 3.0]

Rand Paul is a libertarian fiscal conservative GOP Senator from Kentucky - hopefully he will be in the 2020 nomination mix against Pence.

His Dad authored a compilation of the Congressman's comments called "A Foreign Policy of Freedom" . . .

Yes


and Trump is moving us - if only an inch - toward the non-interventionist ideas to cut foreign aid to the Pakistans of the world,
and getting the EU to finance there own defense instead of on US taxpayers back.

No

[RJB]

Well, the ginger boy Kennedy is full of crap.

He was quite a cry baby. Can't they control their emotions these days?

[Brian4Liberty]

"Protect the nuclear family by ending chain migration". Ending chain migration means that (immigrant) families cannot be united. That is "protecting families"?

So you didn't listen to the speech and you are making things up as usual. Trump specifically said that spouses and minor children (nuclear family) still would qualify.


Looks like Gitmo isn't closing anytime soon.

Yeah, another bad mark. Holding people indefinitely with no applicable law or due process. Yippee.

[r3volution 3.0]

Muh Russia.

No one of any consequence cares at all about Russia, or Hillary.

Those are tabloid scandals for the rabble, and nothing will ever come of either.

[euphemia]

I want to add that Trump did not get where he is by killing people who disagree with him. He got here by talking to people and reaching agreement. I'm not sure he buys in to occupying all the earth. I don't see conviction there. I think his fiscal sense will eventually overrule his overreach on this. He's a builder, not a fighter, and I think he will eventually be more committed to infrastructure. That might not be a solution, but like Thomas Sowell says, there are not solutions, only trade offs.

[nikcers]

Me thinks Ron did not tweet that.
You watch more Trump news then liberty report then...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kvaUyRTSag

[enhanced_deficit]

958540258248986627
https://twitter.com/RonPaul/status/958540258248986627

Very right as RP always is.

That said, Dems like war hero Tammy Duckworth should stop calling current POTUS 'cadet bone spurs' even if there are disagreements on MIC direction and big government spending/deficits.

[timosman]

Should we attack the "little turd"?

Yes.

[Danke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox4IRQVGsBU

[nikcers]

I want to add that Trump did not get where he is by killing people who disagree with him. He got here by talking to people and reaching agreement. I'm not sure he buys in to occupying all the earth. I don't see conviction there. I think his fiscal sense will eventually overrule his overreach on this. He's a builder, not a fighter, and I think he will eventually be more committed to infrastructure. That might not be a solution, but like Thomas Sowell says, there are not solutions, only trade offs.
He got here because the MSM gave him billions of free TV ads during the republican primary and anyone would of beat Hillary.

[r3volution 3.0]

Very right as RP always is.

That said, Dems like war hero Tammy Duckworth should stop calling current POTUS 'cadet bone spurs' even if there are disagreements on MIC direction and big government spending/deficits.

Why?

[AuH20]

I want to add that Trump did not get where he is by killing people who disagree with him. He got here by talking to people and reaching agreement. I'm not sure he buys in to occupying all the earth. I don't see conviction there. I think his fiscal sense will eventually overrule his overreach on this. He's a builder, not a fighter, and I think he will eventually be more committed to infrastructure. That might not be a solution, but like Thomas Sowell says, there are not solutions, only trade offs.

Trump is the reasonable one surrounded by a group of psychopaths. Weigh on that statement for a second. Pence would likely be fueling the bombers by now.

[Jan2017]

No
Fact - European Defense Fund is new this year as US takes the back seat to funding the liberal world order
that it has since 1945.

[TER]

I seem to recall candidate Trump being judged as non-supporting of the site mission, some years ago.

Now we have this promotional thread.

Can someone tell me what changed, and, especially, why any libertarian should continue to frequent this place?

People realized how close we were to the edge and are grateful and hopeful that we might save our republic yet.

This is the real hope and change which the Democrats ran with. This speech will convert many Democrats and especially Independents (which win elections).

[timosman]

Trump is the reasonable one surrounded by a group of psychopaths sycophants. Weigh on that statement for a second. Pence would likely be fueling the bombers by now.

ftfy

[r3volution 3.0]

Fact - European Defense Fund is new this year as US takes the back seat to funding the liberal world order
that it has since 1945.

How much has the US 'defense' budget declined?

[timosman]

People realized how close we were to the edge and are grateful and hopeful that we might save our republic yet.

This is the real hope and change which the Democrats ran with. This speech will convert many Democrats and especially Independents (which win elections).

Sneaky dems.

[euphemia]

"Protect the nuclear family by ending chain migration". Ending chain migration means that (immigrant) families cannot be united. That is "protecting families"?

Look up forced marriage, Zip, and then come back and tell us how this practice protects families.

[enhanced_deficit]

You watch more Trump news then liberty report then...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kvaUyRTSag

What was the deal with highlighting plight of that Korean boy? Stable genius coud also have brought some child maimed by a freedom drone strike to put things in broad perspectiveif aim was to raise awareness about plight of mankind.

Unless this was rinse repeat of old tactics and neocons owners, wall street money baggers, zionist puppet masters etc are trying to jump start Korea war fever next?

This was another lame GOP non-reality star production.

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1468/41/1468413818898.png



gee... I really hope he covers foreign policy.

Trump Has Already Killed More Civilians Than Obama in U.S. Fight Against ISIS
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-has-already-killed-more-civilians-obama-us-fight-against-isis-653564

Trump Has Killed More Civilians with Illegal Drone Strikes in 9 Months Than Obama Did in 8 Years
http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/archives/trump-has-killed-more-civilians-with-illegal-drone-strikes-in-9-months-than-obama-did-in-8-years

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DH2PB4UWsAEoRG3.jpg:small

US air wars under Trump: increasingly indiscriminate, increasingly opaque
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/23/us-air-wars-trump

More Warfare, Bombing, Deaths in Trump's First Year
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/trump-brings-bombs-deaths-first-year-president/

==========

Yemen

@Julian (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=19467)Assange blasts US ‘subservience to Saudis’ as Trump triples drone strikes in Yemen
https://www.rt.com/news/417397-yemen-drone-strikes-trump-saudi/

US to loosen nuclear weapons constraints and develop more 'usable' warheads
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/09/us-to-loosen-nuclear-weapons-policy-and-develop-more-usable-warheads

"Jon Wolfsthal, who was special assistant to Barack Obama on arms control and nonproliferation, said the new nuclear posture review prepared by the Pentagon, envisages a modified version of the Trident D5 submarine-launched missiles with only part of its normal warhead, with the intention of deterring Russia from using tactical warheads in a conflict in Eastern Europe."

Pompeo: CIA chief says China 'as big a threat to US' as Russia
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42867076

EU decides not to support strengthening of anti-Russian sanctions - Belgian PM

NYT
Attacks Reveal What U.S. Won’t: Victory Remains Elusive in Afghanistan
http://archive.is/EnPBY

Elizabeth McLaughlin
"The Taliban are in retreat, the Afghan military is on the brink of assuming control of the country..."
Right. Three successive presidential administrations have said over 16 years about the war in Afghanistan.

US censors Afghanistan report after surge in attacks
http://archive.is/BMj7l
"The US has for the first time banned its inspector in Afghanistan SIGARHQ from publishing data on how much of the country is controlled by the Taliban"

The series of terror attacks that took place in Afghanistan in recent days proves that it is wrong to try to settle the Afghan situation by force, the Russian Foreign Ministry's press service said on Tuesday.


Stable genius ran as "anti foreign interventions" candidate, sure this is not fakenews?

Don't think post election he could be Andrew-Adlered or Kushnered by any lobbies, he seems pretty bold and dirt free.

[juleswin]

I seem to recall candidate Trump being judged as non-supporting of the site mission, some years ago.

Now we have this promotional thread.

Can someone tell me what changed, and, especially, why any libertarian should continue to frequent this place?

Maybe you missed the part where Trump used his power of enforcing tariffs to increase the cost of solar panels to the point where making it in the US is just as competitive as making it anywhere in the world. That solar panel that would be made is not really needed by most Americans but there are tax credits available for anyone who wants to buy em.

If that is not a good business practice most red blooded American libertarian or not can cheer then you must be suffering from Trump derangement syndrome :rolleyes:

[TER]

Sneaky dems.

The majority of the hold outs will turn when the memo comes out (and other things) and we see the level of corruption and evil in the DNC and their DS handlers.

[Jan2017]

How much has the US 'defense' budget declined?

EU is taking some 5 billion euros a year from EU citizen taxpayers now rather than US taxpayers -
you need to leave the site or discourage others to leave this site as a forum go ahead.

Tell your Hillary cabal friends to watch out for the Russian boomerrang though.

[euphemia]

Trump is the reasonable one surrounded by a group of psychopaths. Weigh on that statement for a second. Pence would likely be fueling the bombers by now.

He's stirring a pot, not starting a war. Hillary Democrats are the ones who love war. Listen to Feinstein. She's a hawk if there ever was one.

Trump is the final word on policy, so I guess we'll see. He's treating North Korea like home invaders. If they try to attack us, they will find themselves staring down the business end of heavy weapons.

[timosman]

The majority of the hold outs will turn when the memo comes out (and other things) and we see the level of corruption and evil in the DNC and their DS handlers.

How could they think this will never come out?

[r3volution 3.0]

People realized how close we were to the edge and are grateful and hopeful that we might save our republic yet.

This is the real hope and change which the Democrats ran with. This speech will convert many Democrats and especially Independents (which win elections).

No, the people are entirely lacking in the knowledge required to make intelligent political decisions.

They are supporting this President for the same reason that they supported the others (idiotic propaganda), and the results will be similar.

[timosman]

No, the people are entirely lacking in the knowledge required to make intelligent political decisions.

They are supporting this President for the same reason that they supported the others (idiotic propaganda), and the results will be similar.

You sound like a broken record. Thank you for not posting while the president was speaking.

[devil21]

The shilling across "conservative" forums tonight is ridiculous. It's amazing watching the giant online operation to keep the low info types planted on the Trump plantation while he goes back on practically every campaign promise he made.

[r3volution 3.0]

EU is taking some 5 billion euros a year from EU citizen taxpayers now rather than US taxpayers -
you need to leave the site or discourage others to leave this site as a forum go ahead.

Tell your Hillary cabal friends to watch out for the Russian boomerrang though.

How much has the US 'defense' budget declined?

[kahless]

You watch more Trump news then liberty report then...

I have been here as a supporter for 10+ years and do not need a Ron Paul history lesson from a brainwashed CFR and Hillary shill such as yourself. I am not going to knock Trump for avoiding war with Russia, declining sanctions or for not wanting to shoot down Russian planes in Syria.

[Zippyjuan]

Trump is the reasonable one surrounded by a group of psychopaths. Weigh on that statement for a second. Pence would likely be fueling the bombers by now.

Yeah- Trump is against using bombs.

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-era-record-number-bombs-dropped-middle-east-667505


TRUMP HAS DROPPED RECORD NUMBER OF BOMBS ON MIDDLE EAST


For Trump, 2017 has already been an explosive year: The U.S. has said it dropped over 2,400 bombs on Afghanistan, up from 1,337 last year. In the fight against ISIS in Iraq and Syria, the U.S. has already dropped 32,801 bombs, compared with 30,743 in 2016. And the U.S. has also conducted more than 100 strikes against Al Qaeda in Yemen in 2017, compared with 38 in 2016.

Trump did promise in a campaign speech in 2015 to “bomb the shit” out of ISIS, and he seems to be living up to his word—with little regard for the consequences.

Under Trump, civilian casualties from America’s war on ISIS have reached an all-time high in Iraq and Syria.

The pace of air attacks has led to dozens of civilian deaths, watchdogs say. From 28 to 88 civilians have been killed in Afghanistan, according to the Bureau for Investigative Journalism. And Airwars, which tracks international airstrikes against ISIS, estimated that U.S.-led airstrikes killed 1,060 civilians in Iraq and Syria in August 2017, compared with 138 in August 2016.

In its worst month, March 2017, it’s estimated the Trump administration killed 1,881. (The Pentagon admitted in May that a single airstrike in Mosul, Iraq, was responsible for 100 of these deaths.) In contrast, President Barack Obama’s bloodiest month, July 2016, claimed the lives of 312, according to Airwars.

The number of airstrikes is expected to climb as 4,000 reinforcements head to the country to aid the 11,000 U.S. troops already stationed in Afghanistan. One stated goal of the surge is to help identify bombing targets. And the CIA is pushing for expanded authority to conduct covert drone strikes in Afghanistan, which could place U.S. troops in danger.



https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trump-drops-the-mother-of-all-bombs-on-afghanistan


Trump Drops the Mother of All Bombs on Afghanistan

When the so-called Mother of All Bombs was first tested, in 2003, the largest conventional weapon in the United States arsenal set off a mushroom cloud visible for twenty miles. The potential damage from the twenty-two-thousand-pound bomb was so vast that the Pentagon ordered a legal review to insure that the device wouldn’t be deemed an indiscriminate killer under the Law of Armed Conflict, the body of law that regulates behavior during wartime. The moab was compared to a small nuclear weapon. It’s so large that no U.S. warplane is big enough to drop it: it has to be offloaded from the rear of a cargo plane, with the help of a parachute.

“Although the moab weapon leaves a large footprint, it is discriminate and requires a deliberate launching toward the target,” the Pentagon report concluded. “It is expected that the weapon will have a substantial psychological effect on those who witness its use.”

Fourteen years after it was deemed ready to use, the U.S. unleashed the moab for the first time in combat on Thursday, at 7:32 p.m., against an isis affiliate in Afghanistan’s eastern Nangarhar Province, along the border with Pakistan. In Washington, the White House press secretary Sean Spicer said that it “targeted a system of tunnels and caves that isis fighters used to move around freely, making it easier for them to target U.S. military advisers and Afghan forces in the area.”

[r3volution 3.0]

Maybe you missed the part where Trump used his power of enforcing tariffs to increase the cost of solar panels to the point where making it in the US is just as competitive as making it anywhere in the world. That solar panel that would be made is not really needed by most Americans but there are tax credits available for anyone who wants to buy em.

If that is not a good business practice most red blooded American libertarian or not can cheer then you must be suffering from Trump derangement syndrome :rolleyes:

That's what I mean...

When these kinds of things are even controversial here, what is this place?

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to juleswin again

[Brian4Liberty]

I want to add that Trump did not get where he is by killing people who disagree with him. He got here by talking to people and reaching agreement. I'm not sure he buys in to occupying all the earth. I don't see conviction there. I think his fiscal sense will eventually overrule his overreach on this. He's a builder, not a fighter, and I think he will eventually be more committed to infrastructure. That might not be a solution, but like Thomas Sowell says, there are not solutions, only trade offs.

The infrastructure spending is also a huge negative (in addition to MIC spending). It is massive spending, to be soaked up by connected, corrupt, crony corporatists. It isn't a Federal duty, and it shouldn't be. Infrastructure spending is a State/Local responsibility.

There is no reason in the world for someone in Idaho to pay to rebuild neglected infrastructure in New York, Chicago and San Francisco.

[AuH20]

Yeah- Trump is against using bombs.

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-era-record-number-bombs-dropped-middle-east-667505




https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trump-drops-the-mother-of-all-bombs-on-afghanistan

Bombers into the Russian mainland. WW3. Something the neos crave.

[nikcers]

How could they think this will never come out?
From my perspective the incriminating stuff came out years ago. And the Trump administration signed the 702 law without any regard for the rights of American citizens. They are criminals and they are breaking the law every day they search our records without a warrant. Trump is doing a terrible job, I regret Trump winning every day, we should challenge our military industrial complex they are destroying our country.

[r3volution 3.0]

I have been here as a supporter for 10+ years and do not need a Ron Paul history lesson from a brainwashed CFR and Hillary shill such as yourself. I am not going to knock Trump for avoiding war, declining sanctions or for not wanting to shoot down Russian planes in Syria.

How about asking for increased military spending?

[TER]

No, the people are entirely lacking in the knowledge required to make intelligent political decisions.

They are supporting this President for the same reason that they supported the others (idiotic propaganda), and the results will be similar.

Many support him like a sort of king who has come to save the nation. I would not agree with that because I try to live in the real world, so I see him rather as Patriot who was elected President of this country. Though, honestly, if we were a monarchy, he would be a hell of a good King. Better then most I would bet.

[nikcers]

I have been here as a supporter for 10+ years and do not need a Ron Paul history lesson from a brainwashed CFR and Hillary shill such as yourself. I am not going to knock Trump for avoiding war with Russia, declining sanctions or for not wanting to shoot down Russian planes in Syria.
You can call me whatever you want but I will always call out your bullshit when you talk shit about Ron Paul for being consistent.

[r3volution 3.0]

Many support him like a sort of king who has come to save the nation. I would not agree with that because I try to live in the real world, so I see him rather as Patriot who was elected President of this country. Though, honestly, if we were a monarchy, he would be a hell of a good King. Better then most I would bet.

As I said, "the people are entirely lacking in the knowledge required to make intelligent political decisions."

...

[enhanced_deficit]

This is bit concerning , why Mr Kimmel is hosting such an edgy show tonight with a very controversial porn star on this day of such national importance? Why not have a show with substance / SOTU policy debates.

Jimmy Kimmel & Stormy Daniels Watch Trump’s State of the Union (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTldNZ7V8ls)

[fedupinmo]

In the meantime Justice Ginsberg is hanging upside down in some cave down by the Potomac.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110517205042/stargate/images/4/46/Daniel_waking_up_after_first_death.jpg

[timosman]

As I said, "the people are entirely lacking in the knowledge required to make intelligent political decisions."

...

You must have looked in a mirror recently .....

[TER]

As I said, "the people are entirely lacking in the knowledge required to make intelligent political decisions."

...

Yeah, us simple folk are too stoopid to figure out what is good for us and our families!

Either way, the party that stood when God’s Name was called, and applauded, is the side which is winning.

For that I am grateful and thank God in my prayers.

[euphemia]

Which is bull$#@!, Trump started this $#@! from the get go, and he announced he was going to go after China for cheating the Americans. He is a strawman so he played it both ways but, his arguments for tarrifs against China, and his secretary of state wanting to stop them from building islands. Do you think that is interventionism or noninterventionism? You can say you like Trump, just admit it, you like him, but don't argue that his policy isn't everything they wanted to get away with but couldn't during the last administration.

I don't dislike Trump as much as I dislike Obama or either one of the Clintons. Tarrifs are not military aggression. Building an island is aggression. I remember when we weren't talking to China at all. We didn't even recognize them. Nixon opened that door. China took advantage all during 41 and 43, and the Clintons, and really commanded Obama. Trump is leveling the playing field.

I don't think the foreign policy issues are fully sorted out. I'm not in lock step agreement. I just choose to listen and evaluate, not spin and interpret. The Trumps were treated like royalty when they visited China. It's not something to overlook. It has never happened before with an American administration. I'm still in the wait and see camp. It concerns me that Trump has surrounded himself with so many high ranking military people, but I know he also talks to Rand, and I see a lot of Rand's position come out in policy proposals.

For the record, I grew up during Vietnam and the Cold War. We lived with a very real threat of nuclear attack. My dad was military and was deployed often until he retired. I'm really sick of war.

[juleswin]

You must have looked in a mirror recently .....

Didn't you know, rev is a full blow vampire, he doesn't make a reflection in the mirror. And I would not, I turned him and he now works for me.

[r3volution 3.0]

Yeah, us simple folk are too stoopid to figure out what is good for us and our families!

Correct


Either way, the party that stood when God’s Name was called, and applauded, is the side which is winning.

For that I am grateful and thank God in my prayers.

QED

[Danke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox4IRQVGsBU

[TER]

What I find is that most anti-Trumpers I know are atheists. It’s a curious phenomenon actually but explains much since they too worship either themselves or the State. Sort of like liberal democrats.

[Brian4Liberty]

Ron Paul's TLDW

958543883759169536

958540258248986627

Yeah, the one you have first is more concise. The term "Cold War" is mostly associated with Russia, so might not have been the best term. But it does imply an arms race, which Trump is advocating, and the term was originated by Orwell to mean two generic nations with nukes threatening each other. By that definition, we currently have a cold war with North Korea.

Will we be able to outspend them like we did to the Soviets?

[timosman]

What I find is that most anti-Trumpers I know are atheists. It’s a curious phenomenon actually.

You have to turn them into agnostics.

[r3volution 3.0]

I find that most Trump supporters can't locate the United States on a map, and have no business in politics.

...curious phenomenon.

[kahless]

You can call me whatever you want but I will always call out your bullshit when you talk shit about Ron Paul for being consistent.

Says the guy screaming Neocon at everyone. I will let you in on something, we are all pretty much fans of Ron Paul here and fundamentally support most of his beliefs. But he is not God. So obviously a 128 character tweet during SOTU saying Trump is deep state sounds on the surface ridiculously silly.

You are making it more out of it then what it is.

[fedupinmo]

Biggest complaint from media pundits right now is how long it was and Trump clapping for himself.

CNN complained that Trump offended the Democrats by saying Americans are dreamers, too.

[timosman]

Will we be able to outspend them like we did to the Soviets?

No. They know we are in it for money.

[euphemia]

The infrastructure spending is also a huge negative (in addition to MIC spending). It is massive spending, to be soaked up by connected, corrupt, crony corporatists. It isn't a Federal duty, and it shouldn't be. Infrastructure spending is a State/Local responsibility.

There is no reason in the world for someone in Idaho to pay to rebuild neglected infrastructure in New York, Chicago and San Francisco.

I definitely agree on this point, but we pay for the roads in Idaho, too. Getting the military home and in defensive posture is high priority for me. Doing away with unconstitutional spending won't happen all at once, but there are also good things happening on the pro-life front and in deregulation. None of that happened under Obama. The hawks in Congress are mostly Democrats. It has been their hallmark as far back as I can remember.

[TER]

You have to turn them into agnostics.

If God is merciful, they will die a slow death and perhaps come to believe.

Seriously though, that is the Christian prayer. I’m not being malicious. The worst way is suddenly and with no chance to repent.

[timosman]

I find that most Trump supporters can't locate the United States on a map, and have no business in politics.

...curious phenomenon.

Your presence will be missed.

[nikcers]

Yeah, us simple folk are too stoopid to figure out what is good for us and our families!

Either way, the party that stood when God’s Name was called, and applauded, is the side which is winning.

For that I am grateful and thank God in my prayers.

The party that booed Ron Paul quoting the golden rule as a philosophy for our foreign policy is winning. You know the one that cheated Ron Paul out the nomination. It was the same year Trump said he would run 3rd party if Ron Paul was the nominee.

[TER]

I find that most Trump supporters can't locate the United States on a map, and have no business in politics.

...curious phenomenon.

You must be a very lonely soul. I feel sorry for you. :(

[r3volution 3.0]

The party that booed Ron Paul quoting the golden rule as a philosophy for our foreign policy is winning.
You know the one that cheated Ron Paul out the nomination. It was the same year Trump said he would run 3rd party if Ron Paul was the nominee.

You must be some kind of swamp-dweller.

As we all know, the Sovereign People are perfect and infallible, like the Pope on the throne.

If the illiterate horde says that 1+1=3, it is so.

[timosman]

If God is merciful, they will die a slow death and perhaps come to believe.

Seriously though, that is the Christian prayer. I’m not being malicious. The worst way is suddenly and with no chance to repent.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?505894-Our-contribution-to-evolution

[euphemia]

The party that booed Ron Paul quoting the golden rule as a philosophy for our foreign policy is winning. You know the one that cheated Ron Paul out the nomination. It was the same year Trump said he would run 3rd party if Ron Paul was the nominee.

So when are you going to step into the reality of 2018? It's not a zero sum game, pal. Slinging labels does not foster good discussion. There is ground to be gained if people will come to the table and talk.

[nikcers]

So when are you going to step into the reality of 2018? It's not a zero sum game, pal. Slinging labels does not foster good discussion. There is ground to be gained if people will come to the table and talk.
I won't compromise with terrorists, you guys are destroying my country with your terrible ideas.

[TER]

The party that booed Ron Paul quoting the golden rule as a philosophy for our foreign policy is winning. You know the one that cheated Ron Paul out the nomination. It was the same year Trump said he would run 3rd party if Ron Paul was the nominee.

Lol, you keep repeating that like it means so much to me or to most people living in 2018.

You are just trying to get me to attack Ron Paul because that is your MO. Basically, to pit me against Ron Paul on a website I have spent several years on.

Your baiting is worthless and your attempts are sad.

Meanwhile, I want to say that as a fellow citizen, I am happy that Trump is our President.

I hope one day you will also come to also agree.

[AuH20]

Trump is an upgrade on the trash, we've been offered as chief executive in recent years. Notice that he doesn't really try to hide who he is. He pretty much exhibits warts and all, which makes him polarizing to the more infantile in this country. We are fortunate that he is POTUS at this critical stage in this country. I'd give him a C+ thus far.

[kahless]

Lol, you keep repeating that like it means so much to me or to most people living in 2018.

You are just trying to get me to attack Ron Paul because that is your MO. Basically, to pit me against Ron Paul on a website I have spent several years on.

Your baiting is worthless and your attempts are sad.

Meanwhile, I want to say that as a fellow citizen, I am happy that Trump is our President.

I hope one day you will also come to also agree.

Was I the only lucky one to get this?

https://i.imgur.com/DpXcJ7s.png

LMAO!

[phill4paul]

He killed it. Doesn't matter what was truthful or which was not. Positive message with real people to back it up. The opposite of divisive, Can't wait to hear Maxine Waters rebuttal on BET tomorrow. There's no there there so it'll be interesting how it is spun. Lol. And on a racist channel of all venues. Lol.

[nikcers]

I hope one day you will also come to also agree. I hope to one day to live in a society with as much liberty as the people who died fighting for it deserve. For now I will disagree with our interventionist foreign policy and therefore disagree with you. I cannot with good conscience send people to fight wars for profit. I hope I never agree with you on that.

[r3volution 3.0]

You must be a very lonely soul. I feel sorry for you. :(

It is sad to live in a society in which the lowest dregs determine the course of events.

:(

[TER]

Was I the only lucky one to get this?

https://i.imgur.com/DpXcJ7s.png

LMAO!

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/214/746/b63.png