Birth tourism brings Russian baby boom to Miami

[timosman]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/birth-tourism-brings-russian-baby-boom-miami-n836121


JAN 10 2018

MIAMI — Lured by the charm of little Havana or the glamour of South Beach, some 15 million tourists visit Miami every year.

But for a growing number of Russian women, the draw isn't sunny beaches or pulsing nightclubs. It's U.S. citizenship for their newborn children.

In Moscow, it's a status symbol to have a Miami-born baby, and social media is full of Russian women boasting of their little americantsy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMaw-W9uVDA

"It's really common," said Ekaterina Kuznetsova, 29. "When I was taking the plane to come here, it was not only me. It was four or five women flying here."

Ekaterina was one of dozens of Russian birth tourists NBC News spoke to over the past four months about a round-trip journey that costs tens of thousands of dollars and takes them away from home for weeks or months.

Why do they come?

"American passport is a big plus for the baby. Why not?" Olesia Reshetova, 31, told NBC News.

"And the doctors, the level of education," Kuznetsova added.

The weather doesn't hurt, either.

"It's a very comfortable place for staying in wintertime," Oleysa Suhareva said.

It's not just the Russians who are coming. Chinese moms-to-be have been flocking to Southern California to give birth for years.

What they are doing is completely legal, as long as they don't lie on any immigration or insurance paperwork. In fact, it's protected by the 14th amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which says anyone born on American soil is automatically a citizen.

The child gets a lifelong right to live and work and collect benefits in the U.S. And when they turn 21 they can sponsor their parents' application for an American green card.

As president, Donald Trump has indicated he is opposed to so-called chain migration, which gives U.S. citizens the right to sponsor relatives, because of recent terror attacks. And as a candidate, he called for an end to birthright citizenship, declaring it in one of his first policy papers the "biggest magnet for illegal immigration."

"You have to get rid of it," he said on "Meet the Press" on NBC. "They're having a baby and all of a sudden — nobody knows — the baby is here. You have no choice."

In a twist, as the Daily Beast first reported, condo buildings that bear the Trump name are the most popular for the out-of-town obstetric patients, although the units are subleased from the individual owners and it's not clear if building management is aware.

There is no indication that Trump or the Trump Organization is profiting directly from birth tourism; the company and the White House did not respond to requests for comment.

Roman Bokeria, the state director of the Florida Association of Realtors told NBC News that Trump- branded buildings in the Sunny Isles Beach area north of Miami are particularly popular with the Russian birth tourists and Russian immigrants.

"Sunny Isles beach has a nickname — Little Russia — because people who are moving from Russian-speaking countries to America, they want … a familiar environment."

"They go across the street, they have Russian market, Russian doctor, Russian lawyer," he added. "It's very comfortable for them."

Reshetova came to Miami to have her first child, hiring an agency to help arrange her trip. The services — which can include finding apartments and doctors and obtaining visas — don't come cheap. She expects to pay close to $50,000, and some packages run as high as $100,000. Bokeria says some landlords ask for six months rent up front.

One firm, Miami Mama, says it brings about 100 Russian and Russian-speaking clients to the U.S. per year, 30 percent of them repeat clients. The owners are Irina and Konstantin Lubnevskiy, who bought Miami Mama after using the firm to have two American children themselves.

The couple says they counsel clients to be completely transparent with U.S. immigration officials that they're expecting.

"We tell every client, 'You have the documents, you have to tell the truth. This is America. They like the truth here,'" Konstantin said.

"I would like the American people to understand they don't have to worry," he added. "Those who come here want to become part of the American people."

But Miami Mami has drawn scrutiny from law enforcement. In June, it was raided by the FBI, and an employee was convicted of making false statements on passport applications. The owners say they knew nothing about it, fired the worker and their business license was renewed.

Federal prosecutors declined to comment on the case, and the FBI said it could not discuss "an active investigation."

There is no official data on birth tourism in the United States. The Center for Immigration Studies, which wants stricter limits on immigration, estimates there are 36,000 babies born in the U.S. to foreign nationals a year, though the numbers could be substantially lower. Florida says births in the state by all foreign nationals who live outside the United States have jumped 200 percent since 2000.

Customs and Border Protection says there are no laws governing whether pregnant foreign nationals can enter the country or give birth here.

"However, if a pregnant woman or anyone else uses fraud or deception to obtain a visa or gain admission to the United States, that would constitute a criminal act," the agency said.

When federal agents raided California "maternity hotels" catering to Chinese clients in 2015, authorities said in court papers that some of the families falsely claimed they were indigent and got reduced hospital rates.

In Miami, the Jackson Health System said 72 percent of international maternity patients — who represented 8 percent of all patients giving birth last year — pay with insurance or through a pre-arranged package.

Reshetova said she understands the concerns some have about birth tourism, because it's also an issue in Russia.

"But I pay by myself," she said. "I pay with my money, bring it here to America. I'm not going to take something to America.

"I don't know what my daughter will choose in future. But if I can spend money — my money — for her choice, why not?"

[oyarde]

Nutjobs

[sparebulb]

Funny how they identify them solely as Russians when they are also mostly joo's.

[Brian4Liberty]

I'll have to assume that the purpose of NBC doing this is to try to justify this practice because they assume that some people will look at this and say "nice, these seem like good prospects as new citizens", and next NBC will say "ha, you only oppose this when it's brrroooowwwwn people! You should support this for everyone!"

Sorry, end birthright citizenship for everyone, just like Ron Paul campaigned on.

[Brian4Liberty]

Funny how they identify them solely as Russians when they are also mostly joo's.

Was that in the story? What is "mostly"? A plurality? 51%? 80%?

Sounds like a 3-fer. Kid is born a citizen of three nations, US, Russia and Israel.

[sparebulb]

It was not in the story.

Just look up Sunny Isles Beach and it becomes clear.

[RonZeplin]

Funny how they identify them solely as Russians when they are also mostly joo's.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e2/2b/b1/e22bb136f61ab553b2dd9d2982636a23--liberalism-islam.jpg

[Zippyjuan]

Related:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/01/china-us-birth-tourism_n_7187180.html


Born In The USA: Why Chinese ‘Birth Tourism’ Is Booming In California


BEIJING — When Ma Fahong approached the immigration desk at Los Angeles International Airport, the customs agent had only two questions for her.

“Why are you coming to the U.S.?”

“I’m here to have a baby.”

“How much cash do you have on you?”

“I only have $1,000 in cash, but I have a debit card with much more in the bank.”

Passport stamped. Welcome to Los Angeles.

Ma is part of a growing wave of Chinese women who are flocking to the United States — California, in particular — to have children who will grow up as American citizens. The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees citizenship to every person born on American soil, a fact that has long motivated foreigners from all over the world to give birth in the U.S.

The conversation about immigrant families in the U.S. is typically centered around people from Latin America seeking economic opportunities in the States. But as incomes in China rise and visa hurdles fall, women from China are making up a larger share of foreign births in the U.S, and they’re complicating many of the popular ideas about immigrant mothers.

Most of the Chinese mothers come with large sums of cash at their fingertips, money they often spend on houses and luxury goods. While many, like Ma, enter and give birth in the U.S. legally, others buy package plans from “birth tourism” agencies — profit-seeking and sometimes illegal organizations that arrange accommodations and hospital visits for groups of Chinese women. These businesses have clustered in California, a top tourism destination that also boasts large Chinese-American communities that make many expectant mothers feel at home.





No reliable data exists on the number of Chinese births in the U.S, but estimates by industry publications projected a total of 60,000 for 2014, a sixfold increase over 2012. Awareness of the trend skyrocketed in China in 2013 when the popular romantic comedy “Finding Mr. Right” portrayed a Chinese woman, the mistress of a wealthy businessman, sneaking into Seattle on a tourist visa in order to buy Gucci bags and have an American child.


In that same span of time, China has also been plagued by health scandals that have struck fear into expectant mothers. Food safety scares — including tainted infant milk powder — often dominate the news, and the public has woken up to the dangers of the toxic smog engulfing many Chinese cities. One recent study linked high levels of air pollution to lower birth weights that put babies at risk in their first month and later in life.

But foremost in many Chinese parents’ minds are the educational opportunities available in the U.S. Weary of their country’s test-obsessed education system, record numbers of Chinese parents have been sending their children to American kindergartens, Ph.D. programs and everything in between. An American passport makes many of these opportunities cheaper and more accessible.

Having a child in California is not cheap for Chinese parents: Package deals at maternity hotels often start at $20,000 and go much higher. Ma and Zhu chose to rent a room from a friend in Long Beach, but they still estimate that they spent around $30,000 in total.

But even those high outlays essentially pay for themselves in many cases. If Ma and Zhu had given birth to their second child in China, they likely would have faced fines equal to $40,000 for violation of the country’s “one-child policy.”

[Anti Federalist]

I'll have to assume that the purpose of NBC doing this is to try to justify this practice because they assume that some people will look at this and say "nice, these seem like good prospects as new citizens", and next NBC will say "ha, you only oppose this when it's brrroooowwwwn people! You should support this for everyone!"

Sorry, end birthright citizenship for everyone, just like Ron Paul campaigned on.

This.

Don't give a shit if they are snow white Russians or coal black Ghanans.

[timosman]

This.

Don't give a shit if they are snow white Russians or coal black Ghanans.

Why not tie immigration to budget surplus?:cool:

[Brian4Liberty]

Related:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/01/china-us-birth-tourism_n_7187180.html

LOL. Look at those Russians! Look at those Chinese! Is this a new leftist talking point?

Sorry, this one will backfire worse than Shumer's shutdown. While it appears to be a way to somehow deflect from the "brown people" characterization of immigration, what it will do is reveal the hidden agenda of most open immigration zealots. They will find that most "brown people" in the US will say "hey, stop those Russians, stop those Chinese! Only people from my family or country!" It may actually bring people together to end birthright citizenship.

[Influenza]

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e2/2b/b1/e22bb136f61ab553b2dd9d2982636a23--liberalism-islam.jpg

Simply because his parents weren't citizens doesn't mean they were illegal immigrants. They may have had permanent residence without being citizens, while anchor baby is typically used to describe a baby born to parents who were not lawfully residing within the US. But anyways, why post a stupid picture that says incorrect things like "ANCHOR BABIES ARE NOT CITIZENS." You can say they shouldn't be citizens, but they certainly are...

[Zippyjuan]

Simply because his parents weren't citizens doesn't mean they were illegal immigrants. They may have had permanent residence without being citizens, while anchor baby is typically used to describe a baby born to parents who were not lawfully residing within the US. But anyways, why post a stupid picture that says incorrect things like "ANCHOR BABIES ARE NOT CITIZENS." You can say they shouldn't be citizens, but they certainly are...

Parents were in the country legally and became citizens three years after Mateen was born.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Mateen

[sparebulb]

Parents were in the country legally and became citizens three years after Mateen was born.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Mateen

Coddling and excusing murder and evil again, aren't you Zippy.

What is your acceptable level of murder that we should expect from these immigrants?

[pcosmar]

Does this mean those E-mail and adds for Russian Women were legit?

[Zippyjuan]

Coddling and excusing murder and evil again, aren't you Zippy.

What is your acceptable level of murder that we should expect from these immigrants?

Since all immigrants are murderers?

[sparebulb]

Since all immigrants are murderers?

You are obviously OK with all of the murders and other crimes that immigrants inflict.

And you publicly support buggery.

[Influenza]

Coddling and excusing murder and evil again, aren't you Zippy.

What is your acceptable level of murder that we should expect from these immigrants?

Did Zippy write in some sort of code that made you react this way? I honestly have no idea how you came up with this response

[sparebulb]

Did Zippy write in some sort of code that made you react this way? I honestly have no idea how you came up with this response

The better question is why doesn't Zippy disavow his support for Hillary Clinton, pedophilia, and the murders committed by immigrants.

If Zippy will set the record straight and disavow these despicable things, I will cease to hold him to account for what he has posted in the past.

[TheCount]

Coddling and excusing murder and evil again, aren't you Zippy.

What is your acceptable level of murder that we should expect from these immigrants?
If he's an immigrant, where did he immigrate from?

[Zippyjuan]

The better question is why doesn't Zippy disavow his support for Hillary Clinton, pedophilia, and the murders committed by immigrants.

If Zippy will set the record straight and disavow these despicable things, I will cease to hold him to account for what he has posted in the past.

Fake news. The quote in your sig was a satirical response in another thread. Just read my posts and anybody can see that none of them are about or in favor of either Clinton or pedophilia.

[sparebulb]

Fake news. The quote in your sig was a satirical response in another thread. Just read my posts and anybody can see that none of them are about or in favor of either Clinton or pedophilia.

Zippy, let's be clear. Your posts indeed indicate that you do.

Please clearly state that you don't support Hillary and/or pedophilia and we can be done with this.

[Zippyjuan]

Zippy, let's be clear. Your posts indeed indicate that you do.

Please clearly state that you don't support Hillary and/or pedophilia and we can be done with this.

Link to such posts please. Fake news.

[Raginfridus]

https://youtu.be/6x8JjFkL-Vc

https://youtu.be/uuvs7hNUplQ

[sparebulb]

Link to such posts please. Fake news.

I have presented your posts in the past and you deflect, ignore, and avoid.

Why is it so hard for you to clearly state that you don't support Hillary Clinton and pedophilia?

You obfuscations are curious over something that could easily be clarified.

[Zippyjuan]

I have presented your posts in the past and you deflect, ignore, and avoid.

Why is it so hard for you to clearly state that you don't support Hillary Clinton and pedophilia?

You obfuscations are curious over something that could easily be clarified.

I denied it in the thread you have quoted in your sig.

[Superfluous Man]

It was not in the story.

Just look up Sunny Isles Beach and it becomes clear.

I looked it up and couldn't find whatever it is you're talking about?

Do you have a link from any websites that don't embarrass you too much about "Joo" (sic) anchor babies in Miami that you can share?

[sparebulb]

I denied it in the thread you have quoted in your sig.

You did not deny it.

You once again played the game of asking for proof of your support of Hillary and pedophilia which has been presented in the past.

That is not a rebuke of Hillary or pedophilia.

[sparebulb]

I denied it in the thread you have quoted in your sig.

double double post

[sparebulb]

I looked it up and couldn't find whatever it is you're talking about?

Do you have a link from any websites that don't embarrass you too much about "Joo" (sic) anchor babies in Miami that you can share?

I won't do your homework for you.

[Superfluous Man]

I won't do your homework for you.

The way this looks is like your source is something from a white nationalist website you don't want to share here. Maybe that's not it, but that's how it looks. And if you have a source that's decent, I can't think of why you would hide it like this.

With the homework I did already, prompted by your post saying a google search of "Sunny Isles Beach" would make clear the truth of what you said, I didn't find that to be the case.

At any rate, if you're right, the Jews I've known have been pretty good neighbors, so I welcome the influx.

[sparebulb]

At any rate, if you're right, the Jews I've known have been pretty good neighbors...

I agree.

The jews that live around me are "white nationalists".

Is there something wrong with this?

[timosman]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russians-flock-to-trump-properties-to-give-birth-to-us-citizens


09.06.17

While the president rails against children of undocumented immigrants, wealthy Russians rent his condos—at huge costs—so they can have American kids.

Anatoliy Kuzmin held out his daughter’s blue U.S. passport over a red Russian one and snapped a photo from a Florida beach.

“Woohoo! Got dual citizenship for my daughter!” he wrote on Instagram.

American citizenship for the newborn girl was the goal of Kuzmin and his Instagram-celebrity wife, who sought the help of birth-tourism services in Florida for the arrival of their first child. They are among the estimated hundreds of Russian parents who flock to the U.S. annually for warm weather, excellent medical care, and, more importantly, birthright American citizenship.

And many, like Kuzmin and his wife, stay at President Donald Trump’s properties in Florida.

While Trump rails against U.S.-born children of undocumented immigrants, his Florida properties have become a playground for birth tourists from Russia’s upper crust. The Daily Beast has discovered several companies are advertising rentals in Trump properties to expectant Russian parents. While the Trump Organization does not directly profit from subleases of privately owned condos, it does benefit from Russian patronage of the nearby Trump International Beach Resort. (The Trump Organization did not return requests comment.)

Many of the companies that cater to Russian birth tourists advertise their services openly and warn no one will get in trouble as long as they don’t lie on immigration paperwork.

Baby Boom

A thriving Russian émigré community has grown around the Miami suburbs, making it a home away from home for those looking for a few months away from Russia’s bitter winters. The area’s most popular Russian deli, a mainstay for many moms on birthing forums, as well as other shops serving a taste of Eastern Europe, sit directly across the street from the Trump International Beach Resort, Trump Palace, and Trump Royale.

Some Russian parents-to-be come on the cheap, eschewing fancy packages in favor of a do-it-yourself approach from a modest Miami apartment. A no-frills, three-month stay in the Miami suburbs, complete with out-of-pocket medical bills, can cost $20,000, moms told The Daily Beast.

The Florida Trump properties are convenient options for wealthy Russians who can afford it. They are notorious for being investment properties for Russia’s hyper-wealthy, a safe place to store savings in U.S. dollars. And birth-tourism companies offer Trump apartments as part of packages costing upwards of $75,000.

SVM-MED, a Miami birth-tourism company that also boasts outposts in Moscow and Kiev, offers three tiers of packages to its clients, with the top two advertising lodging in Trump Towers. The most expensive package costs $84,700 for a Trump Tower II apartment with a gold-tiled bathtub and chauffeured Cadillac Escalade or Mercedes Benz.

Miami-Boom advertises an apartment at Trump Royale with two bedrooms and 2.5 bathrooms. The website doesn’t list a price, but the same apartment is listed on other real-estate websites for $5,000 a month.

A third company, albeit aimed largely at Ukrainian customers, promises that Miami’s Sunny Isles suburb has excellent condominium options, “some of which, like Trump Towers, were created by American multi-billionaire Donald Trump himself!”

Another offering, from Status-Med, a company with offices in Moscow and Miami, advertises a Trump Royale penthouse apartment on its website for $7,000 a month.

Status-Med is affiliated with the Sunny Medical Center, a clinic just down the street from the Trump properties in Sunny Isles. It organizes beachside yoga, get-togethers, and medical care for expectant mothers. Owner Vera Muzyka said Trump properties are in high demand among her clients.

“And also, the name Melania has become very popular,” she added.

One Russian mom of a newborn U.S. citizen told The Daily Beast that she runs a support group for women making birthing plans without the help of a company. At any given time, 50 members of her online group are in Miami to give birth, she said. Muzyka estimated in 2014 that 40 to 60 women from former Soviet countries give birth in Miami each month.

“Our clients pay for their own medicine and other services, and spend a lot of money during their time in the county,” she said, claiming that the average client spends $40,000 to $50,000 for three months in the U.S.

Tagged shots on Instagram are often underscored with a hashtag, in Russian, of “births in Miami.” They show moms floating in swimming pools, or bulging pregnant bellies doing yoga on the beach, or, weeks later, their new infants, decked out in red, white, and blue.

Sunny Medical Center openly advertises citizenship as one of the primary benefits their clients receive. Muzyka told The Daily Beast that all the women using Sunny Medical Center’s services openly tell U.S. officials that they are coming for birth tourism.

They also warn parents to avoid applying for Medicaid, as some expectant birth tourists apparently do. Doing so, or lying on their visa paperwork, might permanently blacklist them from U.S. visa eligibility even after their child can apply for family reunification, they warn.

An employee at one Miami birth-tourism company geared toward the former USSR is awaiting trial in Florida on charges that he falsified documents. The FBI says he claimed to witness both parents signing necessary documents when he could not have done so. He has pleaded not guilty.

‘I Was Looking Particularly for Trump Towers’

Valeriya Storozheva’s first experience giving birth in Miami seven years ago was so good she came back for her next child, due this fall. Storozheva told The Daily Beast she liked the weather, the relaxed feel, and the feeling of being on vacation.

“This time, of course, we want to stay a little longer because we don’t want to go back to the [Russian] winter,” she joked.

Her U.S.-born son, now 6 years old, attends an American school in the area, while her husband and older son are flying in for vacations.

The first time, Storozheva booked her stay through a popular birth-tourism company, which gave her a driver, helped find an apartment, and arranged for a doctor. Storozheva said the people who ran the birth-tourism company had since sold it and switched to real estate, so she asked them for help finding an apartment.

“I was looking particularly for Trump Towers. My friend lived here before,” she said, referring to a fellow mom she’d met during her first pregnancy.

Seven years ago, Storozheva stayed at a similarly ritzy condo just up the street, but but she’d found it lacking.

“[Now] in the evenings, I have a great view because you have the bay, and the buildings aglow,” Storozheva said. “The building is great. No regrets.”

She posts photos of herself grabbing breakfast on the go, or videos doggie-paddling in the condo’s pool.

In the meantime, she’s found a community. Some moms message her on Instagram, where they use hashtags like “births in Miami” to publicize their posts. She meets others while getting her eyebrows done.

And, Storozheva says, she met two more moms just on her flight to Florida.

But even those who don’t pay for a full-time stay at one of the Trump-built apartments often visit the Trump International Beach Resort Miami.

One mom documented her explorations of beachfront properties including the Trump resort on Instagram. In one photo from her stay there, she shows her newborn son sleeping on his stomach. “Our little bear,” she crows.

The very next photo shows her family’s four passports: Three red, one blue.

One mom recommended Trump Palace on a popular forum, DeliveryinUSA.com, after visiting a friend.

“A building which has more Russian officials than all of Moscow,” a third post chimed in about the Trump Palace, punctuating the joke with a smiley emoji.

Laughter at Idea of Crackdown

Birth tourism is a booming industry thanks to the growing middle- and upper-class in Russia and China. These families have no plans to work in the U.S. or pay U.S. taxes as their child grows. Rather, U.S. citizenship is an extra security blanket that the wealthy give themselves after months-long vacations on Miami’s beaches. It also gives their kids a shot at financial aid at U.S. schools and easier access to jobs in the U.S.

After the child turns 21, he or she can also apply for family reunification, to get her parents and non-citizen siblings green cards to come to the U.S.

It seems like the sort of thing Trump spoke out against.

On the campaign trail, he argued that children born to undocumented parents don’t have a legal right to citizenship.

“I don’t think they have American citizenship and if you speak to some very, very good lawyers—and I know some will disagree, but many of them agree with me—and you’re going to find they do not have American citizenship,” Trump told Bill O’Reilly. “We have to start a process where we take back our country. Our country is going to hell.”

He railed against people he said came over from Mexico for a short time period, to give birth.

“Many lawyers are saying that’s not the way it is in terms of this,” Trump said. “They are saying it is not going to hold up in court. It will have to be tested but they say it will not hold up in court.”

In fact, children born to undocumented parents don’t help keep the parents in the country. That myth is perhaps most clearly illustrated in the recent case of an Oakland nurse, Maria Sanchez, who was deported last month despite having a career and three children who are U.S. citizens. Sanchez and her husband chose to take the youngest of their U.S.-born children with them to Mexico when they were deported.

Initially, potential birth tourists and agencies worried that Trump’s election would stymie their options. After the election and into the spring, articles popped up on birth-tourism forums, fearing that they would be ensnared in the “anchor baby” crackdown.

Less than two weeks after the election, leading Russian news site Lenta was among those to raise the question, but said there was no chance Trump could pass a constitutional amendment to change the policy. Russian news agency Tass noted earlier this year that combating birth tourism “will be much more difficult than simply closing entry points for illegal migrants.”

“Only the situation where the woman hides the true purpose of her visit is illegal, such as indicates that she is not coming to ‘receive medical care’ but just for ‘tourism,’” it said.

Indeed, such schemes have already ensnared birth-tourism companies across the country. Los Angeles, where birth-tourism agencies cater to a largely Chinese clientele, even created a task force to tackle the issue in 2013, the Los Angeles Times reported.

Muzyka, the Sunny Medical Center owner, said she wasn’t worried about a change in policy.

“Donald Trump doesn’t share his plans with us,” Muzyka chuckled in Russian.

Nearly nine months into Trump’s presidency, birth-tourism agencies continue to advertise services for expecting parents. Trump stopped pushing the idea of challenging birthright citizenship, even as he doubled down on plans to build a wall between the U.S. and Mexico. Nothing, however, stands in the way of birth tourists who fly business class.

“When Trump was elected, he said he wanted to eliminate citizenship based on place of birth,” birth tourist Tanya Yanygina told The Daily Beast. “But he said that in reference to people from the Middle East and Mexico.”

[Occam's Banana]

"We tell every client, 'You have the documents, you have to tell the truth. This is America. They like the truth here,'" Konstantin said.

[insert explosive spit-take here]

[timosman]

[insert explosive spit-take here]

He should have said: They like the appearance of being truthful, in reality they are more full of shit than anybody else.:cool:

[AuH20]

Send em back. No birthright citizenship.

[Swordsmyth]

Send em back. No birthright citizenship.

^^^THIS^^^

[VIDEODROME]

I was wondering if these babies growing up in Russia or where ever are functionally Expatriats.

My understanding is that if I were to move to another country, I would still have to pay my Taxes as America is one of the few countries that does that to citizens living abroad. I think we could consider leaving the Birth Right Citizenship, but these moms and their kids have to face the reality of the IRS just like good American citizens that they are.

When some Russian kid gets their first job at McDonalds in Moscow, a chunk of their money should be owed for Income Tax. If it's not paid then, it should be owed and paid at whatever time they enter America as an adult.

I know this forum is against all Taxation, but for now that is the situation we all live under and I think it should apply to these brand new Americans being born in Miami.