Patient Dumping: University of Maryland hospital apologizes (for getting caught)

[goldenequity]

"...video showed security guards leaving a disoriented woman from the University of Maryland Medical Center Midtown on the street, barely dressed, when the temperature was in the 30s. It’s the latest hospital across the country accused of a practice known as “patient dumping” or “hospital dumping” in which patients who are homeless, mentally ill or both are released to the streets."


University of Maryland hospital apologizes for its failure to discharged patient found on street in hospital gown
http://www.baltimoresun.com/health/bs-hs-hospital-video-follow-20180111-story.html

The 3 Original videos:
https://www.facebook.com/imamu.baraka/posts/1946306892050110?pnref=story


I just witnessed this with my own eyes. I had no choice but to give this young lady a voice in this moment. University of Maryland Medical Center Midtown Campus (UMMC) as a Doctor of Healthcare Administration (DHA) student -- may I remind you of the importance of the VISION of your MEDICAL CENTER: "UMMC will be known for providing high value and compassionate care, improving health in Maryland and beyond, educating future health care leaders and discovering innovative ways to advance medicine worldwide." You can do better. You must do better.


now it get's spun...

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My view:
We will see more of this. :(
The 'tension' is good for Americans.
Good for the politcal theatre/dialog.
Bring the troops home & the money home.
Churches need to step BACK into their historical role.


Of course.. We don't know any of the 'circumstances' surrounding the woman.
Answer: Who cares.
This was just plain wrong in any moral sense of the word.
She becomes an 'icon' for the issue.
That's ok. It deserves attention.

[Schifference]

More poor immigrants from shithole countries is sure to alleviate this problem.

[Raginfridus]

More poor immigrants from $#@!hole countries is sure to alleviate this problem.
What problem?

http://all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/ten-days-after-lobotomy.jpg

[pcosmar]

With socialized medicine you will see more of it,, unless they get much better at covering it up.

[sparebulb]

With socialized medicine you will see more of it,, unless they get much better at covering it up.

No problem with that.

A friend of mine's dad was a heavy equipment operator in the Army in the Philippines in WW2.

He said that his personal best was burying 700 japs in one day with his bulldozer.

[pcosmar]

No problem with that.

A friend of mine's dad was a heavy equipment operator in the Army in the Philippines in WW2.

He said that his personal best was burying 700 japs in one day with his bulldozer.

Soylent Scoops.

[nobody's_hero]

Well, it is a hospital, not a homeless shelter or a hotel. I'm sorry that sounds mean, but the hospital discharges patients when they are no longer sick. Someone else who is ill needs that bed. I suppose they could have let her stay in the waiting room, but then you open up a can of worms and will have every homeless person in the city crowding your hallways. I'm gonna get flamed bad for this, but having worked in healthcare I get tired of people dumping loads more responsibilities and expectations on hospitals that go beyond, well, healthcare. Maybe the person filming this should have let her into his home, or open a homeless shelter in a city that clearly has need for one. The hospital's part of the job is done.

They've already treated a patient for an illness knowing that she has no insurance and it's a bill they'll never collect anything on. So, I don't know what insurance has to do with anything regarding this woman roaming the streets she was already roaming before she was admitted. But the hospital's already gone far beyond what many people would do if they were running a business other than healthcare. (Would you give everyone free tires if they couldn't afford them, if you were the owner of a tire store? Maybe give everyone a free TV if you ran an electronics store? Probably not.) Just to put things in perspective.

[sparebulb]

Soylent Scoops.

Or, Freedom Scoops.

"Soylent Green is people" is much the same as "government of the People".

[RJB]

You run a hospital. You have so many rooms and so many people. You have regulations on how many people can stay. You either limit who comes in or kick some people out.

[Raginfridus]

They should dump huwite mothers and their babies on the road.

[pcosmar]

You run a hospital. You have so many rooms and so many people. You have regulations on how many people can stay. You either limit who comes in or kick some people out.

I think the problem is right there in that first sentence.

Not ,, Ease suffering.
Not, cure the sick, and injured
Not, give rest to the dying

Not care..

Run the business.

[RJB]

I think the problem is right there in that first sentence.

Not ,, Ease suffering.
Not, cure the sick, and injured
Not, give rest to the dying

Not care..

Run the business.

You are absolutely right. Why don't you spend your time caring for thousands of people purely through the grace of your saintliness? I'm sure its that easy.

[pcosmar]

You are absolutely right. Why don't you spend your time caring for thousands of people purely through the grace of your saintliness? I'm sure its that easy.

Each as I meet them,, but I never went into the medical profession.

Charity Hospitals used to be the rule rather than the exception. They were not run as a profitable business,, but as a service to their fellow man. There was no profit motive. There was a compassion motive.

Motivation.. it makes a difference.

[RJB]

Each as I meet them,, but I never went into the medical profession.

Charity Hospitals used to be the rule rather than the exception. They were not run as a profitable business,, but as a service to their fellow man. There was no profit motive. There was a compassion motive.

Motivation.. it makes a difference.
In some ways you're right. I had knee jerk reaction to your post.

I had a job as a CNA at a nursing home for two years. Barely above minimum wage. Mostly I changed diapers on older people who sometimes had dementia and would fight. There should have been 1 CNA per 5 residence but usually I had about 13 people. We literally had to lie on the paperwork because there was no way we could do what was required. It was a side of life very few people see and don't want to see. Doctors and nurses have families to feed.

On the other hand, in the back of the center there were about 20 reserved parking lots for "Activities director" and other "directors." People I would never see, who I found out were related to the owner. There was a lot of money to be made in that business, but the people who were knee deep in the literal shit didn't see much of it. People who never did a days work made a killing.

[juleswin]

More poor immigrants from $#@!hole countries is sure to alleviate this problem.

What any of the gibberish mentioned in this post has to do with acute care hospital refusing to be warehouse for the mental health patients, we would never ever know. But one thing we know for sure is that people on the internet talking out of ignorance will never seize.

[pcosmar]

In some ways you're right. I had knee jerk reaction to your post.



it's OK. hot buttons are common.. got a couple myself.

I also have a sister that is a Nurse,, my Mother was as well. And Dr. Paul is a Doctor.
I mean no disrespect to those that try to help people,,,

I was referring to the motivation of a Charity Hospital and that of a Corporate/Socialist Hospital,, or for profit hospital.

I have a low opinion of profiting from suffering..

[juleswin]

With socialized medicine you will see more of it,, unless they get much better at covering it up.

That is because in a more capitalist system people like her without money would never be able to step inside a hospital like that in the first place. It is sad how people on our side are quick to blame socialism for any perceived evil they see in the world. What do you say, the rain has been late this season, well it must be socialism's fault :rolleyes:

I have seen patient abuse the hell out of the system in ways that would make any hospital owner sick. I know people without any insurance that come to the unit every other week, they get free medicine, free stay, loads of expensive medical test run on them and yet they pay nothing to the hospital. Sometimes when the docs put in the order to discharge, they refuse to leave. We would have social worker running about trying to get placement for these people and even then they sometimes refuse to leave.

The truth is that her family or people close to her dumped her onto the hospital system and this is the hospital sending her back. This has very little to do with socialism, if socialism is to be blamed for anything, it is working to help her take advantage of the hospital.

[RJB]

it's OK. hot buttons are common.. got a couple myself.

I also have a sister that is a Nurse,, my Mother was as well. And Dr. Paul is a Doctor.
I mean no disrespect to those that try to help people,,,

I was referring to the motivation of a Charity Hospital and that of a Corporate/Socialist Hospital,, or for profit hospital.

I have a low opinion of profiting from suffering..

I agree.

[pcosmar]

But one thing we know for sure is that people on the internet talking out of ignorance will never seize.
Nice of you to prove it.

I really don't care what kind of facility it was..

You don't force a half naked person out into the cold. Period.

It is offensive,, it is inhuman. Period..

Get her a coat,, or get her to a shelter.. There are many.
Give her a blanket and a corner..

Decent human beings do not treat other human beings like this..
some do,,but not decent humans.

[sparebulb]

That is because in a more capitalist system people like her without money would never be able to step inside a hospital like that in the first place. It is sad how people on our side are quick to blame socialism for any perceived evil they see in the world. What do you say, the rain has been late this season, well it must be socialism's fault :rolleyes:

I have seen patient abuse the hell out of the system in ways that would make any hospital owner sick. I know people without any insurance that come to the unit every other week, they get free medicine, free stay, loads of expensive medical test run on them and yet they pay nothing to the hospital. Sometimes when the docs put in the order to discharge, they refuse to leave. We would have social worker running about trying to get placement for these people and even then they sometimes refuse to leave.

The truth is that her family or people close to her dumped her onto the hospital system and this is the hospital sending her back. This has very little to do with socialism, if socialism is to be blamed for anything, it is working to help her take advantage of the hospital.

To bad the real Che didn't live long enough to see real socialized medicine in action.

The State could have provided Che a dirty used band-aid to put over the bullet hole in his greasy head.

[pcosmar]

That is because in a more capitalist system people like her without money would never be able to step inside a hospital like that in the first place.
Pretty sure Dr. Paul would disagree,, and I think he had a record to prove it.

research and all that

[juleswin]

Nice of you to prove it.

I really don't care what kind of facility it was..

You don't force a half naked person out into the cold. Period.

It is offensive,, it is inhuman. Period..

Get her a coat,, or get her to a shelter.. There are many.
Give her a blanket and a corner..

Decent human beings do not treat other human beings like this..
some do,,but not decent humans.

You should start a hospital and run it the way you want to run it. I bet you would make loads of money :rolleyes:

[euphemia]

I think the only way the hospital will recover from this is to march the administrators and the board out the door, barefoot, and in hospital gowns with their pink slips.

[TheTexan]

OMG they refused to provide her service just because she couldn't pay for it???

Those monsters!

What has this country come to??!

[juleswin]

Pretty sure Dr. Paul would disagree,, and I think he had a record to prove it.

research and all that

If you think the world Ron Paul practiced in would ever exist in the US then you have no idea what you are talking about. He grew up when a man working one job he got after high school can easily raise a family. That world is never going to happen again unless the US plans on destroying the economies of Europe, Asia and become supreme king again.

Yes capitalism would lover medical cost but it would never lower it to the point where people without money are able to take long free vacations in an acute health hospitals without getting kicked out. But go on, keep dreaming

[TheTexan]

It's time to make America great again,

with universal healthcare, UBI, and free college for everybody

[euphemia]

OMG they refused to provide her service just because she couldn't pay for it???

Those monsters!

What has this country come to??!

Where are the clothes and shoes she came in with? She didn't walk in wearing a hospital gown and no shoes.

[Anti Federalist]

You should start a hospital and run it the way you want to run it. I bet you would make loads of money :rolleyes:

You cannot.

Socialist and intrusive government regulations prohibit it.

Nor can you use your own home to shelter homeless in cold weather, or you will find "authorities" on you door, threatening to condemn and take your home.

A great deal of what the problem is in health care and homelessness can be laid at the feet of intrusive and all powerful government.

[sparebulb]

Where are the clothes and shoes she came in with? She didn't walk in wearing a hospital gown and no shoes.

That is a darn good question.

It shows an extra level of not giving a shat about basic human decency.

[specsaregood]

Where are the clothes and shoes she came in with? She didn't walk in wearing a hospital gown and no shoes.

They are in plastic bags shown on the ground at the end of video.

That is where they really screwed up. I get kicking her out, but there is no excuse for not making sure she was dressed first.

[juleswin]

You cannot.

Socialist and intrusive government regulations prohibit it.

Nor can you use your own home to shelter homeless in cold weather, or you will find "authorities" on you door, threatening to condemn and take your home.

A great deal of what the problem is in health care and homelessness can be laid at the feet of intrusive and all powerful government.

Well, he can start by doing what the hospitals are doing right now and just add in more free shyte.

[pcosmar]

I think the only way the hospital will recover from this is to march the administrators and the board out the door, barefoot, and in hospital gowns with their pink slips.

and on video

[angelatc]

Well, it is a hospital, not a homeless shelter or a hotel. I'm sorry that sounds mean, but the hospital discharges patients when they are no longer sick. .

I haven't been in a hospital for almost 20 years but when I left, the doctor apologized because he thought I was still sick enough to justify another day or two but the insurance co disagreed. He gave me his personal cell number - that's how worried he was.

[angelatc]

That is because in a more capitalist system people like her without money would never be able to step inside a hospital like that in the first place.

Capitalism isn't the problem.

[juleswin]

Capitalism isn't the problem.

Capitalism a problem? as far as I am concerned, I see no problem. My post is addressing the people who think someone was wronged in this whole story, people so militant that they are going as far as calling for people to be fired.

Also not saying anyone should get an award either. I would never chastise any business/business owner for not going above and beyond the call of duty.

[specsaregood]

Capitalism a problem? as far as I am concerned, I see no problem. My post is addressing the people who think someone was wronged in this whole story, people so militant that they are going as far as calling for people to be fired.

Also not saying anyone should get an award either. I would never chastise any business/business owner for not going above and beyond the call of duty.

You think it would be beyond the call of duty to make sure the woman was dressed in clothes and shoes before being sent out the door? esp. during winter? You think it was all good to kick her out wearing only a hospital gown?

[angelatc]

The New York Times first began writing about the issues in the 1870s, when private hospitals were sending patients to the city’s public hospital, according to a 2011 report in the American Journal of Public Health

Not sure why this is a problem. This is why public hospitals exist, isn't it?

[angelatc]

You think it would be beyond the call of duty to make sure the woman was dressed in clothes and shoes before being sent out the door? esp. during winter? You think it was all good to kick her out wearing only a hospital gown?

The original tweet was upset because she was discharged because she didn't have insurance, which isn't accurate. Obviously she should have been dressed, but for all we know she threw a tantrum and discharged herself.

[goldenequity]

The original tweet was upset because she was discharged because she didn't have insurance, which isn't accurate. Obviously she should have been dressed, but for all we know she threw a tantrum and discharged herself.
no... that was not the 'original' tweet. See above.

[juleswin]

You think it would be beyond the call of duty to make sure the woman was dressed in clothes and shoes before being sent out the door? esp. during winter? You think it was all good to kick her out wearing only a hospital gown?

I see blood on her forehead which could be a sign of some struggle. Maybe they tried and failed to dress her up. Maybe they were understaffed and couldn't babysit her until they find proper placement for her. Like I said, I am not giving anyone a medal for what happened. Btw, the family members who brought her in and/or neglected her should take the brunt of the blame for this story.

[angelatc]

no... that was not the 'original' tweet. See above.

Oops! Got it!

The guy filming is a psychotherapist - why didn't he take her in?

[goldenequity]

Oops! Got it!

The guy filming is a psychotherapist - why didn't he take her in?

I found a little more in these 2 articles

'The man who recorded the video called 911, and says medics ended up taking the patient back to the same hospital. Now a review is underway that could lead to personnel action against the hospital employees involved.'

http://www.baltimoresun.com/health/bs-md-imamu-baraka-video-20180112-story.html

Baraka said that he stopped videotaping at some point to call 911 and an ambulance crew came and took the woman back into the hospital. He said he waited for two hours to make sure they didn’t bring her back out to the bus stop. He said he heard her say “thank you” as she was led away.

Baraka has since spoken with the woman’s mother, who contacted him after seeing the video. During the three-hour discussion, she told him her daughter was 22 years old. The woman is now safe with family and being well taken care of, he said.

The family told Baraka that the hospital had put the woman in a cab to a homeless shelter and that was where the mother found her. He declined to describe her mental or medical conditions or why her family didn’t know where she was.

“She said her daughter had been missing,” he said. “She did some momma bear stuff to find her after she saw the video.”

http://www.baltimoresun.com/health/bs-md-imamu-baraka-video-20180112-story.html#nt=inbody-1

[Swordsmyth]

I think the problem is right there in that first sentence.

Not ,, Ease suffering.
Not, cure the sick, and injured
Not, give rest to the dying

Not care..

Run the business.

Somebody has to or the hospital closes for lack of funds.

[Swordsmyth]

Nice of you to prove it.

I really don't care what kind of facility it was..

You don't force a half naked person out into the cold. Period.

It is offensive,, it is inhuman. Period..

Get her a coat,, or get her to a shelter.. There are many.
Give her a blanket and a corner..

Decent human beings do not treat other human beings like this..
some do,,but not decent humans.

Absolutely true.

Why was it done at night by the way?

[Schifference]

Where was this loving mother before?

It wouldn't surprise me if the loving mother had previously thrown her out on the street.

Who's responsibility is it to take care of a 22 year old?

Must the mother or any other family member take this woman in and care for her?


Why didn't this lady call her mother or make arraignments to go to her mothers from the hospital?

What should have been the proper intervention? Should this woman's alleged needs be put ahead of people that have been waiting months or years for subsidized housing? Should this person get subsidized food, shelter, medical, transportation.........?

Thinking that letting in more people from shithole countries will not add to more of the same problem is insane.

This lady has family and was on the street.

[nobody's_hero]

You think it would be beyond the call of duty to make sure the woman was dressed in clothes and shoes before being sent out the door? esp. during winter? You think it was all good to kick her out wearing only a hospital gown?

Hell, they let her keep the gown. That was "free" along with the thousands of dollars it cost to keep her hospitalized for the duration of her stay. That's just taken for granted these days. Nurses still gotta be paid. Medicines have to be bought. The cafeteria's gotta be stocked. But she'll never pay a penny of it. She can't. Someone else is gonna eat that cost. So, what more do people want? I mean seriously, folks, think about what the hospital has already done for her. No mention of gratitude anywhere in the news coverage, only, 'ermegerd, hErtlesS baStids!'

And yep, it's cold up north. They could have kicked her out in the summertime and she'd still be stuck outside by winter.


I found a little more in these 2 articles

'The man who recorded the video called 911, and says medics ended up taking the patient back to the same hospital. Now a review is underway that could lead to personnel action against the hospital employees involved.'


Free ambulance ride . . .

The guy could have taken her to the homeless shelter himself but that would have cost gas money. It's free if the hospital does it.

[tod evans]

No matter how it's portrayed this is the eviction of a freeloader.

Good Samaritan laws have forced hospitals to take in every freeloader who is depressed or has the sniffles.

The very best argument for government run and funded 'hospitals' is the affect that the freeloaders have on the paying patients.

Playing games with 'insurance' won't fix this BS either, surely this fine woman had Obamacare of some sort...

[Intoxiklown]

You know.....I have major guilt issues in my old age due to some really cold hearted shit I've done in the past. I'm talking stuff that makes me hope there isn't a God because the thought of having to answer for some of the things I have done is scary.

But from a quick read, this woman suffers from some obvious mental disorder and had somehow wandered away from home and was missing. Found her way somehow to that hospital where I'm assuming she was treated somehow for something. Then they had some of their security guards drive her to a bus stop in the middle of town and left her there in a gown. There are behavioral health departments she could have been sent to for 72 hours while someone figured out who she was or at least find a homeless shelter to take her to. But fuck that.....they dropped her off half naked t a bus stop in the middle of town.

That's the appalling thing about this....that they had some security guards drop her off at a bus stop in the middle of the night in a gown in winter temperatures. A person who obviously has a mental disorder.

If that isn't registering with people then you are one superficial SOB.

Which brings me back to my opening statement. Because even in my hateful youth I wouldn't have left that woman had I seen her. Because regardless of any of our collective character...there are rules that apply to certain things and people. And justifying a human being suffering from a mental disorder that basically makes them a child in an adult's body being thrown away like unwanted trash? That's not being logical speaking only to the bottom number. It's not being "hard". It's quite honestly disgusting.

[Schifference]

Any person can go out in the cold and find mentally ill homeless people. What will you do when you find one?

Will your government or landlord allow you to bring unrelated people into your home?

Do you assume liability for their health and well being once you invite them into your home?

Once you get tired of them and they refuse to leave and you go thru the eviction process, what kind of compassion will the judge have on the poor person? Will the judge make sure the person has a place to go?

[nobody's_hero]

I think the problem is right there in that first sentence.

Not ,, Ease suffering.
Not, cure the sick, and injured
Not, give rest to the dying

Not care..

Run the business.

Um. They did that? This would be more newsworthy if they had looked at her from the first assessment and said, 'hey, it doesn't seem you can pay. There's the door!'


Any person can go out in the cold and find mentally ill homeless people. What will you do when you find one?

A) Call someone else and make it their problem.
B) Show some initiative.
C) Whip out the camera phone.

[Schifference]

Next up an expose on overcrowding and or mistreatment of mentally ill people in public psychiatric facilities.

In related fake news: Homeowner's rally in opposition to proposed group homeless shelter. Concerns of safety, drugs, and property values weigh heavily on homeowners.

[Schifference]

I think most shelters are run by private or charitable entities.

Why don't cities, states, or our grand federal government have shelters? We are supposed to take in more people but cannot care for those already here.

The city simply makes it illegal to be homeless. Cannot sleep here or stand over there.

[Ender]

You know.....I have major guilt issues in my old age due to some really cold hearted $#@! I've done in the past. I'm talking stuff that makes me hope there isn't a God because the thought of having to answer for some of the things I have done is scary.

But from a quick read, this woman suffers from some obvious mental disorder and had somehow wandered away from home and was missing. Found her way somehow to that hospital where I'm assuming she was treated somehow for something. Then they had some of their security guards drive her to a bus stop in the middle of town and left her there in a gown. There are behavioral health departments she could have been sent to for 72 hours while someone figured out who she was or at least find a homeless shelter to take her to. But $#@! that.....they dropped her off half naked t a bus stop in the middle of town.

That's the appalling thing about this....that they had some security guards drop her off at a bus stop in the middle of the night in a gown in winter temperatures. A person who obviously has a mental disorder.

If that isn't registering with people then you are one superficial SOB.

Which brings me back to my opening statement. Because even in my hateful youth I wouldn't have left that woman had I seen her. Because regardless of any of our collective character...there are rules that apply to certain things and people. And justifying a human being suffering from a mental disorder that basically makes them a child in an adult's body being thrown away like unwanted trash? That's not being logical speaking only to the bottom number. It's not being "hard". It's quite honestly disgusting.

AMEN.

In 1000% agreement.

[nobody's_hero]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7rNSugsf0g

[goldenequity]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7rNSugsf0g

Can't possibly think of a better wrap to this thread. Excellent, excellent find.

We will see more of this.
The 'tension' is good for Americans.
Good for the politcal theatre/dialog.
......
She becomes an 'icon' for the issue.
That's ok. It deserves attention.

[Schifference]

All the rooms were full.
Patients were 2 deep in the hallways.
All gurneys were occupied.
No seating available in the main waiting room.
Patient safely escorted to the standby waiting room.

[specsaregood]

I think most shelters are run by private or charitable entities.
Why don't cities, states, or our grand federal government have shelters? We are supposed to take in more people but cannot care for those already here.
The city simply makes it illegal to be homeless. Cannot sleep here or stand over there.

A judge in Key west ruled that the city couldn't enforce vagrancy laws since they didn't have any city owned shelters as an alternative. This led to a homeless "invasion" in 2003 or 2004. Hundreds of them migrated to KW setting up tent cities on all the public beaches. The city finally solved the "problem" they built their own homeless shelter/tent city across the street from the sheriff station/jails.