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timosman
01-11-2018, 04:42 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-attacks-protections-for-immigrants-from-shithole-countries-in-oval-office-meeting/2018/01/11/bfc0725c-f711-11e7-91af-31ac729add94_story.html


By Josh Dawsey, January 11

President Trump grew frustrated with lawmakers Thursday in the Oval Office when they floated restoring protections for immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador and African countries as part of a bipartisan immigration deal, according to two people briefed on the meeting.

“Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” Trump said, according to these people, referring to African countries and Haiti. He then suggested that the United States should instead bring more people from countries like Norway, whose prime minister he met Wednesday.

The comments left lawmakers taken aback, according to people familiar with their reactions. Sens. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) and Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) proposed cutting the visa lottery program by 50 percent and prioritizing countries already in the system, a White House official said.

A White House spokesman declined to offer an immediate comment on Trump’s remarks.

Outlining a potential bipartisan deal, the lawmakers discussed restoring protections for countries that have been removed from the temporary protected status program while adding $1.5 billion for a border wall and making changes to the visa lottery system.

The administration announced this week that it was removing the protection for citizens of El Salvador.

Trump had seemed amenable to a deal earlier in the day during phone calls, aides said, but shifted his position in the meeting and did not seem interested.

Graham and Durbin thought they would be meeting with Trump alone and were surprised to find immigration hard-liners such as Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) and Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) at the meeting. The meeting was impromptu and came after phone calls Thursday morning, Capitol Hill aides said.

After the meeting, Marc Short, Trump’s legislative aide, said the White House was nowhere near a bipartisan deal on immigration.

“We still think we can get there,” White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said at the daily White House news briefing.

Valli6
01-11-2018, 05:21 PM
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goldenequity
01-11-2018, 05:28 PM
http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/8700000/King-Donald-donald-duck-8785904-687-644.jpg

oyarde
01-11-2018, 05:38 PM
Well , did they have an answer on how accepting people from a shithole improves life for american taxpayers ?

phill4paul
01-11-2018, 05:41 PM
Well , did they have an answer on how accepting people from a shithole improves life for american taxpayers ?

Exactly.

Swordsmyth
01-11-2018, 05:41 PM
Well , did they have an answer on how accepting people from a $#@!hole improves life for american taxpayers ?


https://i.redd.it/vmdxc6mbwd401.jpg

Swordsmyth
01-11-2018, 05:43 PM
Exactly.

Now you favor controlling immigration?

I'm glad to see you do have the capacity to learn.

phill4paul
01-11-2018, 05:59 PM
Now you favor controlling immigration?

I'm glad to see you do have the capacity to learn.

Lol. I still don't have a problem with immigration. Legal or illegal. The question was "how does it improve the lives of American taxpayers." I've never been for government assistance. And still am not.

kahless
01-11-2018, 06:04 PM
Lol. I still don't have a problem with immigration. Legal or illegal. The question was "how does it improve the lives of American taxpayers." I've never been for government assistance. And still am not.

Sorry, you have to go back.

phill4paul
01-11-2018, 06:10 PM
Sorry, you have to go back.

To which state? The one I was born in? One of those I served in the military in?

Raginfridus
01-11-2018, 06:11 PM
Do Swedes qualify for diversity visas yet?

Also, "African countries such as Haiti"... I mean, wrong continent, but yeah - earth's asshole.

timosman
01-11-2018, 07:07 PM
Also, "African countries such as Haiti"... I mean, wrong continent, but yeah - earth's asshole.

Not in the article. Where did you get it from? :cool:

specsaregood
01-11-2018, 07:25 PM
Trump impresses more everyday.

kahless
01-11-2018, 07:31 PM
Considering the Dem and MSM outrage there will be allot of great memes to come out of this for months to come. Memes that will easily sway the average voter. The Democrat and MSM position on affluent Norway immigration is equivalent to sewage laden poor Haiti is indefensible in the minds of most normal people.

specsaregood
01-11-2018, 07:36 PM
Considering the Dem and MSM outrage there will be allot of great memes to come out of this for months to come. Memes that will easily sway the average voter. The Democrat and MSM position on affluent Norway immigration is equivalent to sewage laden poor Haiti is indefensible in the minds of most normal people.

I guess it depends on what you consider normal, I think a lot of people will be saying, "yeah, why not more Norwegians than Haitians?" the only people that will have a problem with it are people that haven't had to interact with Haitians on a regular basis.

Raginfridus
01-11-2018, 08:15 PM
Not in the article. Where did you get it from? :cool:
Second paragraph.

It was there earlier. Must be the vodka. :P

Krugminator2
01-11-2018, 08:16 PM
In all fairness, every single country in Central America is a shit hole. It isn't a debatable statement.

phill4paul
01-11-2018, 08:25 PM
Considering the Dem and MSM outrage there will be allot of great memes to come out of this for months to come. Memes that will easily sway the average voter. The Democrat and MSM position on affluent Norway immigration is equivalent to sewage laden poor Haiti is indefensible in the minds of most normal people.

Wasn't the Clinton Foundation supposed to pull up Haiti into a first world country?

Krugminator2
01-11-2018, 08:30 PM
Wasn't the Clinton Foundation supposed to pull up Haiti into a first world country?

Mother Teresa was too busy grifting all of their money. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/02/25/why-to-many-critics-mother-teresa-is-still-no-saint/?utm_term=.354729e30917

AuH20
01-11-2018, 08:35 PM
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timosman
01-11-2018, 08:35 PM
Wasn't the Clinton Foundation supposed to pull up Haiti into a first world country?

Yup. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?466293-Former-Haiti-official-We-have-no-idea-where-all-that-recovery-money-went

AuH20
01-11-2018, 08:36 PM
A boorish comment, but very truthful. Show me the millions trying to sneak into the continent of Africa or Haiti? Nah. I thought so.

AuH20
01-11-2018, 08:37 PM
Also, Trump is wrong on Norway. Eff them too.

timosman
01-11-2018, 08:38 PM
http://www.unlockingthegrowth.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/reality-1.jpg

RJB
01-11-2018, 09:53 PM
To be fair to Haiti: A poster informed us on another thread that Haiti is a shithole due to the French occupying it 200 years ago.

phill4paul
01-11-2018, 09:58 PM
To be fair to Haiti: A poster informed us on another thread that Haiti is a shithole due to the French occupying it 200 years ago.

That would explain it. The cheese eating surrender monkeys fuck up everything they touch. French reparations are in order.

spudea
01-11-2018, 10:10 PM
https://i.redd.it/jao932383k901.png

TheTexan
01-11-2018, 10:15 PM
https://i.redd.it/jao932383k901.png

-rep

there should be 3rd one that says 'fuck them, they arent americans'

timosman
01-11-2018, 10:17 PM
That would explain it. The cheese eating surrender monkeys fuck up everything they touch. French reparations are in order.

Sneaky frogs wanted to steal our gold and we lost the gold standard!:cool:

timosman
01-11-2018, 10:20 PM
-rep

there should be 3rd one that says 'fuck them, they arent americans'

that was was removed about 30 years ago :(

phill4paul
01-11-2018, 10:21 PM
Sneaky frogs wanted to steal our gold and we lost the gold standard!:cool:

Reparations are in order.

Anti Federalist
01-11-2018, 10:37 PM
Good.

About fucking time somebody said it.

phill4paul
01-11-2018, 11:02 PM
Good.

About fucking time somebody said it.

The media is all aghast! They can't speak these words on television or put it in print because of innocent ears.

Fuck the progressive media. They seem to have forgotten their progressive darling child, George Carlin, and the "seven dirty words" he had no problem speaking and they had no problem championing.

SHIT HOLE.

That's fucking Haiti.

Perhaps if some of the Clinton Foundation funds actually made it there it might be different. And Haitians wouldn't want to come here.

phill4paul
01-11-2018, 11:03 PM
I wonder if the Clinton Foundation will start an anti-Trump restore a "shit hole" fund in the coming weeks?

enhanced_deficit
01-11-2018, 11:07 PM
This could be just rhetoric to shore up "base" before he makes a bipartisan deal with Schumer-Pelosi.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/28/trump-administration-has-deported-fewer-illegal-mexican-immigrants-than-obama-data-shows.html


Trump Appears to Endorse Path to Citizenship for Millions of Immigrant

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/09/us/politics/trump-daca-immigration.html
2 days ago - WASHINGTON — President Trump on Tuesday appeared open to negotiating a sweeping immigration deal that would eventually grant millions of undocumented immigrants a pathway to citizenship, declaring that he was willing to “take the heat” politically for an approach that seemed to flatly contradict the ...

timosman
01-11-2018, 11:28 PM
This could be just rhetoric to shore up "base" before he makes a bipartisan deal with Schumer-Pelosi.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/28/trump-administration-has-deported-fewer-illegal-mexican-immigrants-than-obama-data-shows.html

Old news.

kahless
01-12-2018, 12:03 AM
The media is all aghast! They can't speak these words on television or put it in print because of innocent ears.

Fuck the progressive media. They seem to have forgotten their progressive darling child, George Carlin, and the "seven dirty words" he had no problem speaking and they had no problem championing.

SHIT HOLE.

That's fucking Haiti.

Perhaps if some of the Clinton Foundation funds actually made it there it might be different. And Haitians wouldn't want to come here.

I tried watching late night TV this week, not funny. But tonight for shits and giggles I watched CNN and MSNBC for a change and laughed my ass off. It was the ultimate triggering.

timosman
01-12-2018, 12:28 AM
I tried watching late night TV this week, not funny. But tonight for shits and giggles I watched CNN and MSNBC for a change and laughed my ass off. It was the ultimate triggering.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP_NVMIphaw

axiomata
01-12-2018, 01:16 AM
Lol. I still don't have a problem with immigration. Legal or illegal. The question was "how does it improve the lives of American taxpayers." I've never been for government assistance. And still am not.

American taxpayers are say the upper two thirds of income earners. Imigrants from these "shitholes" are not going to be taking taxpayers jobs but doing jobs for the taxpayers that they wouldn't be doing for themselves.

timosman
01-12-2018, 01:36 AM
American taxpayers are say the upper two thirds of income earners. Imigrants from these "shitholes" are not going to be taking taxpayers jobs but doing jobs for the taxpayers that they wouldn't be doing for themselves.

You mean voting democrat? How can a job remain unfilled long term if the pay is right? We supposedly have a free market, there is no need for an immigration crutch? :cool:

timosman
01-12-2018, 01:50 AM
https://i.imgur.com/97CzsYR.jpg

TheCount
01-12-2018, 02:54 AM
https://i.imgur.com/97CzsYR.jpg His investigators are in Hawaii and you won't believe what they are finding.

Mach
01-12-2018, 03:45 AM
In all fairness, every single country in Central America is a shit hole. It isn't a debatable statement.


I wonder if it has something to do with, Socialism? :rolleyes:

A few in here...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12JLFAQ3qrQ

Origanalist
01-12-2018, 06:50 AM
I wonder if the Clinton Foundation will start an anti-Trump restore a "shit hole" fund in the coming weeks?

Oprah can give it some good press.

Influenza
01-12-2018, 08:00 AM
i too enjoy that our president is a bombastic retard

EBounding
01-12-2018, 08:06 AM
951813216291708928

We get to see the word "shithole" on CNN

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fbearpursuit.files.wordpress.com%2 F2013%2F06%2Fare-you-not-entertained.jpg&f=1p

specsaregood
01-12-2018, 08:17 AM
I guess the unsaid problem is that a lot of Norwegians probably consider the US a shithole country.

angelatc
01-12-2018, 08:25 AM
To be fair to Haiti: A poster informed us on another thread that Haiti is a shithole due to the French occupying it 200 years ago.

It's more precise to say that Haiti is a now a barren shithole because France once occupied it

AuH20
01-12-2018, 08:54 AM
Import more people from shithole countries, thus transforming your country into said shithole. It's not hard to understand.

With that said, given our rapid cultural disintegration from within, we're still on the expressway to hell, albeit slower. The immigrant invasion would be just accelerating our demise.

oyarde
01-12-2018, 09:48 AM
American taxpayers are say the upper two thirds of income earners. Imigrants from these "shitholes" are not going to be taking taxpayers jobs but doing jobs for the taxpayers that they wouldn't be doing for themselves.

I am more inclined to believe they will be using services paid for by taxpayers against the will of the people .

oyarde
01-12-2018, 10:07 AM
Oprah can give it some good press.

She still has a home in chicago and in california among others

dannno
01-12-2018, 10:09 AM
Also, Trump is wrong on Norway. Eff them too.

Fuckin weegies... Taking all of our good doctor jobs.

dannno
01-12-2018, 10:10 AM
She still has a home in chicago and in california among others

Her house was in the mud slide zone, but probably ok.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?517518-NASA-Photos-California-Fires-Seen-From-Space-9-billion-in-insured-losses/page2

milgram
01-12-2018, 11:06 AM
951813216291708928

We get to see the word "shithole" on CNN

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fbearpursuit.files.wordpress.com%2 F2013%2F06%2Fare-you-not-entertained.jpg&f=1p

CNN wouldn't stop saying it once they started.

I just heard it on NPR too. Better call the FCC.

Origanalist
01-12-2018, 11:26 AM
Sorry, couldn't resist
.:o

https://i.imgflip.com/22klna.jpg

Influenza
01-12-2018, 11:28 AM
http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/02/14121903/FT_17.02.14_africanImmigrants_2015.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_hous ehold_income

Median Household Income for not shithole White Americans $59,698

Nigerian Americans: $62,086
Ethiopian Americans: $41,736
Egyptian Americans: $61,344
Ghanaian Americans: $59,545

Wow, so only one of the 4 most populous African immigrant groups to the US is doing significantly worse than whites.

Danke
01-12-2018, 11:48 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkkKzKAa7-w

...

timosman
01-12-2018, 11:50 AM
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Danke
01-12-2018, 11:53 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTUDY1OXkAAPPR-.jpg

specsaregood
01-12-2018, 12:07 PM
http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/02/14121903/FT_17.02.14_africanImmigrants_2015.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_hous ehold_income
Median Household Income for not shithole White Americans $59,698
Nigerian Americans: $62,086
Ethiopian Americans: $41,736
Egyptian Americans: $61,344
Ghanaian Americans: $59,545
Wow, so only one of the 4 most populous African immigrant groups to the US is doing significantly worse than whites.


How many of those countries did Trump supposedly name?

FWIW, DW has to work with a lot of Haitians and Nigerians as an RN. She likes working with Nigerians as they are almost all very ambitious, studious, educated, and courteous. She hates working with the Haitians as they are the direct opposite.

johnwk
01-12-2018, 12:12 PM
It is absolutely hilarious to see how our communist/socialist/progressive crowd's heads are exploding over a legitimate question.


Trump merely asked a legitimate question. The question as reported being: “Why are we having all these people from ******** countries come here?”



So, tell us, why are we allowing the poverty stricken, poorly educated low and unskilled populations of poverty stricken nations come here? It is utter insanity to do so!


JWK





American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.

Swordsmyth
01-12-2018, 12:42 PM
There are very few places we should accept more than a trickle of immigrants from.
And very many we should take none from.

Jamesiv1
01-12-2018, 12:52 PM
Trump may be the greatest President in the history of Presidents.

i luv him more and more lol

AuH20
01-12-2018, 01:08 PM
The term Racist has been mangled into an ash heap of ineffectiveness, thanks to Trump. He deserves a medal for exposing these fools. I just wish our foreign policy would take a clue from the immigration hawk side. Start following the prime directive from Star Trek. I don't want to interfere in their backward countries and by the same token, I don't want large numbers here.

kpitcher
01-12-2018, 01:10 PM
Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free

AuH20
01-12-2018, 01:11 PM
Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free

and take away one's remaining rights and property.

timosman
01-12-2018, 01:12 PM
The term Racist has been mangled into an ash heap of ineffectiveness, thanks to Trump. He deserves a medal for exposing these fools. I just wish our foreign policy would take a clue from the immigration hawk side. Start following the prime directive from Star Trek. I don't want to interfere in their backward countries and by the same token, I don't want large numbers here.

In other words, is it OK not give a fuck about something outside our borders?

Anti Federalist
01-12-2018, 01:16 PM
There are very few places we should accept more than a trickle of immigrants from.
And very many we should take none from.

None.

That way there can be no accusations of racism or favoritism.

Fuck off back to where you came from, country's full.

We got enough troubles.

AuH20
01-12-2018, 01:18 PM
In other words, is it OK not give a $#@! about something outside our borders?

http://cdn.themis-media.com/media/global/images/library/deriv/730/730139.jpg

r3volution 3.0
01-12-2018, 01:43 PM
and take away one's remaining rights and property.

Yea!

Taking away our rights is our job.

Anti Federalist
01-12-2018, 02:05 PM
The larger question is:

Why were you "negotiating" with the likes of Grahamcracker and Dustbin on this issue?

Origanalist
01-12-2018, 02:10 PM
In other words, is it OK not give a fuck about something outside our borders?

Someone needs to alert the Pentagon about this.

Origanalist
01-12-2018, 02:13 PM
I hereby nominate this for best thread title of 2018. It's never to early to start.

kahless
01-12-2018, 02:28 PM
Feinstein: Trump trying to promote a 'homogenous, white society'
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/368743-feinstein-trump-trying-to-promote-a-homogenous-white-society

Gasp, oh noooes oh the humanity, we can't have too many whites now can we.

The amount of self hating white brainwashing is astounding.

johnwk
01-12-2018, 03:51 PM
Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free

Just for the record, Emma Lazarus, who wrote the words which appear on the Statute of Liberty was a well-known socialist, and the “poem” which she wrote was suggested to be used to raise funds to build the statue’s pedestal.

Additionally, immigrants coming to America who passed the statute on their way to Elis Island were not granted entry into the United States for a number of reasons. One reason to be rejected was the likelihood of becoming a ward of the state and a public burden, and on this ground many were refused entry!


Is it not reasonable for American Citizens to reject being made into tax slaves to support the economic needs of millions upon millions of foreigners who have entered our country illegally and legally?

I get the distinct impression that many of our politicians, like Senator Schumer, have more compassion for those who have entered ourcountry illegally than they do for American Citizens who are suffering the devastating consequences of illegal and legal immigration. And they have more compassion for them for a nefarious reason ___ creating a massive voting block which i9s dependent upon government cheese.

And what was our Founder’s thinking with regard to immigration?

Let us recall what Representative BURKE says during our Nations` first debate on a RULE OF NATURALIZATION, FEB. 3RD, 1790 (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llac&fileName=001/llac001.db&recNum=578)

Mr. BURKE thought it of importance to fill the country with useful men, such as farmers, mechanics, and manufacturers, and, therefore, would hold out every encouragement to them to emigrate to America. This class he would receive on liberal terms; and he was satisfied there would be room enough for them, and for their posterity, for five hundred years to come. There was another class of men, whom he did not think useful, and he did not care what impediments were thrown in their way; such as your European merchants, and factors of merchants, who come with a view of remaining so long as will enable them to acquire a fortune, and then they will leave the country, and carry off all their property with them. These people injure us more than they do us good, and, except in this last sentiment, I can compare them to nothing but leeches. They stick to us until they get their fill of our best blood, and then they fall off and leave us. I look upon the privilege of an American citizen to be an honorable one, and it ought not to be thrown away upon such people. There is another class also that I would interdict, that is, the convicts and criminals which they pour out of British jails. I wish sincerely some mode could be adopted to prevent the importation of such; but that, perhaps, is not in our power; the introduction of them ought to be considered as a high misdemeanor.

JWK



American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax slaves and forced to finance the personal economic needs of millions of foreigners who have invaded America’s borders.

enhanced_deficit
01-12-2018, 03:58 PM
Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘$#@!hole’ countries in Oval Office meeting

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-attacks-protections-for-immigrants-from-$#@!hole-countries-in-oval-office-meeting/2018/01/11/bfc0725c-f711-11e7-91af-31ac729add94_story.html

To be fair, Trump has been attacked by media ruthlessly too over this. He rarely gets a break from MSM.

Media attacks Trump over alleged ‘$#@!hole’ comments

MSNBC host goes low, dredges up Trump father's arrest at KKK meeting, grandfather brothel/hote (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?518406-MSNBC-host-goes-low-dredges-up-Trump-father-s-arrest-at-KKK-meeting-grandfather-brothel-hote&)

Superfluous Man
01-12-2018, 04:01 PM
Well , did they have an answer on how accepting people from a $#@!hole improves life for american taxpayers ?

Tons of ways.

But that's really beside the point, because it's none of the president's business if they do or not. His job is to stay out of the way and let us all live as we please as long as we aren't aggressing against anyone else. If I want to welcome into my home people from countries that he considers shitholes, he can wonder all he wants why I would do that, but he has no business interfering.

Superfluous Man
01-12-2018, 04:04 PM
It is absolutely hilarious to see how our communist/socialist/progressive crowd's heads are exploding over a legitimate question.



You have it backwards. Immigration restriction always has been and remains one of the hallmarks of socialism and progressivism.

As Bernie Sanders, who supports immigration restriction, accurately observed. It's we libertarian Koch Brother types who support free movement of people across borders. And of course Trump's own socialist leanings are no secret.

timosman
01-12-2018, 04:18 PM
Tons of ways.

Care to mention one?

FSP-Rebel
01-12-2018, 04:30 PM
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nobody's_hero
01-12-2018, 04:46 PM
I think some states are shitholes like Connecticut or Massachusetts, so it's not unreasonable to think that countries can be shitholes as well.

tod evans
01-12-2018, 04:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJdumFFPLqA

Swordsmyth
01-12-2018, 05:17 PM
Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free suffocate us with their philosophy of government.

Fixed it.

enhanced_deficit
01-12-2018, 05:21 PM
951667724953976837

Or about Obama dropping bombs with drones on unarmed children of "shithole" countries without due process of law.

There is lot of hypocrisy everywhere.

http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/58579388dd08958d7f8b4633-400-300/in-january-barack-obama-wiped-tears-from-his-eyes-as-he-spoke-about-the-steps-his-administration-was-taking-to-reduce-gun-violence-in-the-us-every-time-i-think-about-those-kids-it-gets-me-mad-obama-said-referring-to-the-2012-massacre-at-sandy-hook-elementary-school.jpg
"Every Time I Think About Those Kids It Gets Me Mad"

(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?458980-Israel-plans-largest-WB-settlement-expansion-in-30-years-Surprising-Obama-response&p=5721609&viewfull=1#post5721609)http://www.sott.net/image/image/s6/125049/full/Somalia_drones_Obama.jpg
(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?458980-Israel-plans-largest-WB-settlement-expansion-in-30-years-Surprising-Obama-response&p=5721609&viewfull=1#post5721609)

Superfluous Man
01-12-2018, 05:26 PM
Care to mention one?

I personally benefit immensely from people who were born in third-world countries. I won't get into specifics, because I prefer not to get into my personal life on this site.

But the US benefits economically enormously from immigrants from third world countries, including the ones Trump listed. He probably employs a good number of them on his own properties, I bet. In many cases, government regulations hold them back from making even greater contributions, including regulations designed to stifle immigration.
http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2015/5/14/growing-african-immigrant-population-is-highly-educated-underemployed
https://www.mnnonline.org/news/study-shows-refugees-wealth-education-job-skills/

pcosmar
01-12-2018, 05:26 PM
There is lot of hypocrisy everywhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariel_boatlift

tod evans
01-12-2018, 05:30 PM
I personally benefit immensely from people who were born in third-world countries.

Would you still "benefit" if government didn't support the US cheap labor class?

Strip the free shit programs and watch how quickly the third world labor becomes a liability.

Superfluous Man
01-12-2018, 05:33 PM
Would you still "benefit" if government didn't support the US cheap labor class?

Strip the free $#@! programs and watch how quickly the third world labor becomes a liability.

I don't follow. How could more labor conceivably be a liability?

Government welfare programs aren't keeping foreign labor from hurting us. They're only stifling how much it helps us. Getting rid of them would be a boon to the economy.

And to answer your question, yes, I would still personally benefit immensely.

tod evans
01-12-2018, 05:37 PM
I don't follow. How could more labor conceivably be a liability?


The labor pool is currently tainted by government and her free-shit programs, remove them and the local underclass will make employing foreigners a liability...

An 'employer' is always glad for an expanded labor pool, the employee not so much........

timosman
01-12-2018, 05:37 PM
I personally benefit immensely from people who were born in third-world countries. I won't get into specifics, because I prefer not to get into my personal life on this site.

But the US benefits economically enormously from immigrants from third world countries, including the ones Trump listed. He probably employs a good number of them on his own properties, I bet. In many cases, government regulations hold them back from making even greater contributions, including regulations designed to stifle immigration.
http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2015/5/14/growing-african-immigrant-population-is-highly-educated-underemployed
https://www.mnnonline.org/news/study-shows-refugees-wealth-education-job-skills/

Please spell it out for a simple mind like myself.:cool:

RonPaulMall
01-12-2018, 05:38 PM
You have it backwards. Immigration restriction always has been and remains one of the hallmarks of socialism and progressivism.

As Bernie Sanders, who supports immigration restriction, accurately observed. It's we libertarian Koch Brother types who support free movement of people across borders. And of course Trump's own socialist leanings are no secret.

Bernie Sanders does not support immigration restriction. He used to support it, because he was against depressed wages for workers, but since his Presidential run he has converted fully to the mainstream Democratic position which favors White Genocide above the protection of working class wages.

Thor
01-12-2018, 06:01 PM
5938

Raginfridus
01-12-2018, 06:04 PM
5938Makes you think...

Danke
01-12-2018, 06:07 PM
5938



https://i.redd.it/jao932383k901.png

quite a dilemma

juleswin
01-12-2018, 06:09 PM
Personally I think this whole controversy is a big distraction just like our national politics. This is the real reason why I stopped participating with it, it still boggles my mind that serious sensible people are treating politics like it really affects anything.

But I am bored and I found this video from a Nigerian fella I watch and he nails it for me. Essentially, what he is saying is this, if the people he allegedly talks about are mad, they should do something to correct it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM_SAweqnyw&t=182s

I am embarrassed, butthurt, mad, triggered....... fill in the blank but not because of Trump. I wish this very public tongue lashing will spark something in Africans to step their game up.

Superfluous Man
01-12-2018, 06:12 PM
An 'employer' is always glad for an expanded labor pool, the employee not so much........

But the overall impact is a net good for most parties, including most employees. If you focus on a particular employee who loses their job or has to work for less, you can find someone who loses more than they win. But that is to commit the fallacy Bastiat calls the seen versus the unseen. You pick one point in the whole vast economy where a net loss is concentrated while ignoring the net good that's distributed widely for all.

juleswin
01-12-2018, 06:12 PM
Well , did they have an answer on how accepting people from a $#@!hole improves life for american taxpayers ?

People who live in glasshouses with loads of cracks in it should definitely not throw stones. Just saying :)

oyarde
01-12-2018, 06:17 PM
People who live in glasshouses with loads of cracks in it should definitely not throw stones. Just saying :)

My people have been consistent on immigration since 1001 .

Danke
01-12-2018, 06:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS19r9UkAto

...

oyarde
01-12-2018, 06:31 PM
Personally I think this whole controversy is a big distraction just like our national politics. This is the real reason why I stopped participating with it, it still boggles my mind that serious sensible people are treating politics like it really affects anything.

But I am bored and I found this video from a Nigerian fella I watch and he nails it for me. Essentially, what he is saying is this, if the people he allegedly talks about are mad, they should do something to correct it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM_SAweqnyw&t=182s

I am embarrassed, butthurt, mad, triggered....... fill in the blank but not because of Trump. I wish this very public tongue lashing will spark something in Africans to step their game up.

I agree that we have little influence in politics .

Raginfridus
01-12-2018, 06:32 PM
To be fair to Haiti: A poster informed us on another thread that Haiti is a $#@!hole due to the French occupying it 200 years ago.
Cap Haïtien never recovered from the effects of the fearful earthquake of 1842, when several thousands of its inhabitants perished. To this day they talk of that awful event, and never forget to relate how the country-people rushed in to plunder the place, and how none lent a helping-hand to aid their half-buried country-men. Captain Macguire and myself used to wander about the ruins, and we could not but feel how little energy remained in a people who could leave their property in such a state. It was perhaps cheaper to build a trumpery house elsewhere.

One of those that suffered the most during that visitation wrote, before the earth had ceased trembling, “Against the acts of God Almighty no one complains,” and then proceeded to relate how the dread earthquake shook down or seriously injured almost every house; how two-thirds of the inhabitants were buried beneath the fallen masonry; how the bands of blacks rushed in from mountain and plain, not to aid in saving their wretched countrymen, whose cries and groans could be heard for two or three days, but to rob the stores replete with goods; and—what he did complain of—how the officers and men of the garrison, instead of attempting to keep order, joined in plundering the small remnants of what the surviving inhabitants could save from the tottering ruins. What a people!
https://books.google.com/books?id=LGLUAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA12&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false

That was 40 years after the butchery that freed them. Nothing's changed. Conditions in Haiti have less to do with France, more to do with being assholes and greedy louts.

Swordsmyth
01-12-2018, 06:41 PM
A day after President Donald Trump reportedly made highly incendiary comments about immigrants and African countries (http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/11/politics/immigrants-shithole-countries-trump/index.html), two Republican senators said they don't recall those vulgar characterizations from the President. Republican Sens. Tom Cotton and David Perdue, who've been close allies to the President on the issue of immigration, were in a White House meeting with him Thursday when Trump, according to sources, expressed frustration with people coming to the US from "shithole countries."
"We do not recall the President saying these comments specifically but what he did call out was the imbalance in our current immigration system, which does not protect American workers and our national interest," they said in a statement.
Their statement came after the President tweeted (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/951793123985973248) Friday morning that the description of his remarks was not accurate.
"The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used," Trump said. "What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made - a big setback for DACA!"

More at: http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/politics/senators-trump-comment-tom-cotton/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+rss%252Fcnn_latest+(RSS%253 A+CNN+-+Most+Recent)

Superfluous Man
01-12-2018, 06:46 PM
A day after President Donald Trump reportedly made highly incendiary comments about immigrants and African countries (http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/11/politics/immigrants-$#@!hole-countries-trump/index.html), two Republican senators said they don't recall those vulgar characterizations from the President. Republican Sens. Tom Cotton and David Perdue, who've been close allies to the President on the issue of immigration, were in a White House meeting with him Thursday when Trump, according to sources, expressed frustration with people coming to the US from "$#@!hole countries."
"We do not recall the President saying these comments specifically but what he did call out was the imbalance in our current immigration system, which does not protect American workers and our national interest," they said in a statement.
Their statement came after the President tweeted (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/951793123985973248) Friday morning that the description of his remarks was not accurate.
"The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used," Trump said. "What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made - a big setback for DACA!"

More at: http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/politics/senators-trump-comment-tom-cotton/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+rss%252Fcnn_latest+(RSS%253 A+CNN+-+Most+Recent)

All Trump denies is that he used the specific word "shithole" for Haiti. In his own explanation he completely stands by and reaffirms the essence of the quote.

It doesn't even look to me like he is denying that he used the word at all in the meeting, just that he specifically applied it to Haiti. But that's really beside the point, because the profanity is secondary to the larger issue of the position he took when he allegedly used it.

timosman
01-12-2018, 06:48 PM
All Trump denies is that he used the specific word "shithole" for Haiti. In his own explanation he completely stands by and reaffirms the essence of the quote.

It doesn't even look to me like he is denying that he used the word at all in the meeting, just that he specifically applied it to Haiti. But that's really beside the point, because the profanity is secondary to the larger issue of the position he took when he allegedly used it.

What is the larger issue?

Swordsmyth
01-12-2018, 06:48 PM
All Trump denies is that he used the specific word "$#@!hole" for Haiti. In his own explanation he completely stands by and reaffirms the essence of the quote.

It doesn't even look to me like he is denying that he used the word at all in the meeting, just that he specifically applied it to Haiti. But that's really beside the point, because the profanity is secondary to the larger issue of the position he took when he allegedly used it.

He is right about the larger issue.

The point is that the leftists are fabricating things again to try to manipulate people's emotions and claim he is racist.

Superfluous Man
01-12-2018, 06:55 PM
He is right about the larger issue.

The point is that the leftists are fabricating things again to try to manipulate people's emotions and claim he is racist.

What he fully admits he said is obviously racist. The racism of it has nothing to do with whether or not he used profanity.

And it doesn't look to me like the fabricated anything, unless you're trying to say that you don't believe that at any point in that meeting he referred to any countries as "shitholes," which even Cotton and Perdue don't claim in that article you just quoted.

And since when has it ever been any secret that Trump uses profanity?

RJB
01-12-2018, 06:55 PM
That would be an easy thing to say if you had some protection in your own employment, such as a tenured professor for example :)



But the overall impact is a net good for most parties, including most employees. If you focus on a particular employee who loses their job or has to work for less, you can find someone who loses more than they win. But that is to commit the fallacy Bastiat calls the seen versus the unseen. You pick one point in the whole vast economy where a net loss is concentrated while ignoring the net good that's distributed widely for all.

Superfluous Man
01-12-2018, 06:56 PM
That would be an easy thing to say if you had some protection in your own employment, such as a tenured professor for example :)

I'm not one of those.

Swordsmyth
01-12-2018, 07:01 PM
What he fully admits he said is obviously racist. The racism of it has nothing to do with whether or not he used profanity.
No it is culturalist and pragmatic, the immigrants from those countries are a detriment to us, those country's governments and cultures are terrible.
He is wrong about Norway though, we shouldn't be letting in socialists from there either, but they do have a more advanced culture with less crime.



And it doesn't look to me like the fabricated anything, unless you're trying to say that you don't believe that at any point in that meeting he referred to any countries as "$#@!holes," which even Cotton and Perdue don't claim in that article you just quoted.

A day after President Donald Trump reportedly made highly incendiary comments about immigrants and African countries (http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/11/politics/immigrants-$#@!hole-countries-trump/index.html), two Republican senators said they don't recall those vulgar characterizations from the President. Republican Sens. Tom Cotton and David Perdue, who've been close allies to the President on the issue of immigration, were in a White House meeting with him Thursday when Trump, according to sources, expressed frustration with people coming to the US from "$#@!hole countries."
"We do not recall the President saying these comments specifically but what he did call out was the imbalance in our current immigration system, which does not protect American workers and our national interest," they said in a statement.
Their statement came after the President tweeted (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/951793123985973248) Friday morning that the description of his remarks was not accurate.
"The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used," Trump said. "What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made - a big setback for DACA!"

More at: http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/politi...-+Most+Recent) (http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/politics/senators-trump-comment-tom-cotton/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+rss%252Fcnn_latest+(RSS%253 A+CNN+-+Most+Recent))


You have reading comprehension problems.

RJB
01-12-2018, 07:03 PM
I'm not one of those.

That was an off the cuff example. Why so defensive?

RJB
01-12-2018, 07:16 PM
People who live in glasshouses with loads of cracks in it should definitely not throw stones. Just saying :)

Yep. We are a currency collapse from being a third world country ourselves. Our factories have mostly gone overseas. War and dollars are our exports. Good to see you back Jules, even with your buddy Che.

Superfluous Man
01-12-2018, 07:30 PM
No it is culturalist and pragmatic, the immigrants from those countries are a detriment to us, those country's governments and cultures are terrible.
He is wrong about Norway though, we shouldn't be letting in socialists from there either, but they do have a more advanced culture with less crime.




A day after President Donald Trump reportedly made highly incendiary comments about immigrants and African countries (http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/11/politics/immigrants-$#@!hole-countries-trump/index.html), two Republican senators said they don't recall those vulgar characterizations from the President. Republican Sens. Tom Cotton and David Perdue, who've been close allies to the President on the issue of immigration, were in a White House meeting with him Thursday when Trump, according to sources, expressed frustration with people coming to the US from "$#@!hole countries."
"We do not recall the President saying these comments specifically but what he did call out was the imbalance in our current immigration system, which does not protect American workers and our national interest," they said in a statement.
Their statement came after the President tweeted (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/951793123985973248) Friday morning that the description of his remarks was not accurate.
"The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used," Trump said. "What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made - a big setback for DACA!"

More at: http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/politi...-+Most+Recent) (http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/politics/senators-trump-comment-tom-cotton/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+rss%252Fcnn_latest+(RSS%253 A+CNN+-+Most+Recent))


You have reading comprehension problems.

Notice that nothing in what you just quoted, including what you bolded, once again, entails a denial that Trump used the word "shithole" at all in the meeting. They just pick out one attributed quote and basically say, "No, we don't recall him saying those exact words in that order applying that particular vulgarity to the specific countries that were alleged."

Again, that's all beside the point though, because he himself fully admits that he essentially said the same thing, just without the word "shithole," being specifically applied to Haiti, and stands by it.

This is according to Trump's own tweets that are right there in that same article.

timosman
01-12-2018, 07:33 PM
Notice that nothing in what you just quoted, including what you bolded, once again, entails a denial that Trump used the word "shithole" at all in the meeting. They just pick out one attributed quote and basically say, "No, we don't recall him saying those exact words in that order applying that particular vulgarity to the specific countries that were alleged."

Again, that's all beside the point though, because he himself fully admits that he essentially said the same thing, just without the word "shithole," being specifically applied to Haiti, and stands by it.

This is according to Trump's own tweets that are right there in that same article.

Sorry buddy, you still owe us an explanation of your post #77 6573869. :cool:

Swordsmyth
01-12-2018, 07:33 PM
Notice that nothing in what you just quoted, including what you bolded, once again, entails a denial that Trump used the word "$#@!hole" at all in the meeting. They just pick out one attributed quote and basically say, "No, we don't recall him saying those exact words in that order applying that particular vulgarity to the specific countries that were alleged."

Again, that's all beside the point though, because he himself fully admits that he essentially said the same thing, just without the word "$#@!hole," being specifically applied to Haiti, and stands by it.

This is according to Trump's own tweets that are right there in that same article.

You are making a fool of yourself.

Swordsmyth
01-12-2018, 07:35 PM
After reports that Trump referred to "shithole" African nations in a meeting (that was not denied by The White House (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-11/trump-why-do-we-want-people-these-shithole-countries-come-here)), the president has tweeted this morning that "this was not the language used."

The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used. What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made - a big setback for DACA!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 12, 2018 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/951793123985973248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) he then following up by claiming he "never said anything derogatory about Haitians other than Haiti is, obviously, a very poor and troubled country. Never said “take them out.” Made up by Dems. I have a wonderful relationship with Haitians. Probably should record future meetings - unfortunately, no trust!"

Never said anything derogatory about Haitians other than Haiti is, obviously, a very poor and troubled country. Never said “take them out.” Made up by Dems. I have a wonderful relationship with Haitians. Probably should record future meetings - unfortunately, no trust!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 12, 2018 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/951813216291708928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) His tweet, denying the "shithole" comment follows an earlier series of tweets that slammed the proposed DACA proposal, and sought to explain his thinking about a bipartisan immigration plan that was presented on Thursday which would allow too many people in from "high crime" countries. He said that's one of the key reasons why a bipartisan plan presented on Thursday is a nonstarter.

The so-called bipartisan DACA deal presented yesterday to myself and a group of Republican Senators and Congressmen was a big step backwards. Wall was not properly funded, Chain & Lottery were made worse and USA would be forced to take large numbers of people from high crime.....
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 12, 2018 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/951785587765280768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
....countries which are doing badly. I want a merit based system of immigration and people who will help take our country to the next level. I want safety and security for our people. I want to stop the massive inflow of drugs. I want to fund our military, not do a Dem defund....
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 12, 2018 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/951788342647107584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
....Because of the Democrats not being interested in life and safety, DACA has now taken a big step backwards. The Dems will threaten “shutdown,” but what they are really doing is shutting down our military, at a time we need it most. Get smart, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 12, 2018 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/951790999784783872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-12/trump-denies-shithole-comment-slams-outrageous-daca-proposal

timosman
01-12-2018, 07:36 PM
You are making a fool of yourself.

Anything to distract and avoid being pinned down to an unavoidably idiotic claim. :cool:

tod evans
01-12-2018, 07:38 PM
But the overall impact is a net good for most parties, including most employees. If you focus on a particular employee who loses their job or has to work for less, you can find someone who loses more than they win. But that is to commit the fallacy Bastiat calls the seen versus the unseen. You pick one point in the whole vast economy where a net loss is concentrated while ignoring the net good that's distributed widely for all.

Sorry dude I wasn't speaking in abstracts..

Welfare for the underclass is the only reason illegals can find and attend work.

Cut the welfare off and the underclass will eat the illegals before they come for your shit.

juleswin
01-12-2018, 07:38 PM
My people have been consistent on immigration since 1001 .

Please don't play coy with me, you know very well that I wasn't talking about immigration "policy" of the natives. I am talking about saving tax payers money and ways we can do that. Do u remember me telling you that I have never met a Native American in my life? well that was a big lie and I lied because I wanted to be nice to you. I have indeed met a loads of em in my line of work and suffice to say, the tax payers can save a loads by denying them the free services they are given. Just sayin

juleswin
01-12-2018, 07:43 PM
Sorry dude I wasn't speaking in abstracts..

Welfare for the underclass is the only reason illegals can find and attend work.

Cut the welfare off and the underclass will eat the illegals before they come for your $#@!.

This post is so insane that I am not sure if it was made in jest. Have you ever asked yourself how well the underclass ate the poor immigrants who came to America from Europe during the early and middle last century? You are white, you are supposed to have IQ by the boat load, act accordingly m8.

tod evans
01-12-2018, 07:44 PM
Please don't play coy with me, you know very well that I wasn't talking about immigration "policy" of the natives. I am talking about saving tax payers money and ways we can do that. Do u remember me telling you that I have never met a Native American in my life? well that was a big lie and I lied because I wanted to be nice to you. I have indeed met a loads of em in my line of work and suffice to say, the tax payers can save a loads by denying them the free services they are given. Just sayin

The taxpayer could save even more by ending the bureaucracy that awards/monitors and accounts for free-shit.

There's probably 4-5 government employees for every injun whose "jobs" revolve around Indian Affairs...So for ever $20k of injun checks there's $200k of government salary to back it up............If not more.

euphemia
01-12-2018, 07:46 PM
You have it backwards. Immigration restriction always has been and remains one of the hallmarks of socialism and progressivism.

As Bernie Sanders, who supports immigration restriction, accurately observed. It's we libertarian Koch Brother types who support free movement of people across borders. And of course Trump's own socialist leanings are no secret.

We can have unlimited immigration or we can have a Nanny State. We can't have both.

tod evans
01-12-2018, 07:47 PM
This post is so insane that I am not sure if it was made in jest. Have you ever asked yourself how well the underclass ate the poor immigrants who came to America from Europe during the early and middle last century? You are white, you are supposed to have IQ by the boat load, act accordingly m8.

No "insanity" at all......

Take the free shit away and watch what happens...

There was no free shit society when the Europeans came nor were there the entitlement attitudes that accompany that lifestyle.

Swordsmyth
01-12-2018, 07:47 PM
We can have unlimited immigration or we can have a Nanny State. We can't have both.

And if we have the first we will end up with the second, then we will collapse.

We are almost there now.

AZJoe
01-12-2018, 07:58 PM
If only the media elitists got half this outraged when the president bombs a country, or stages a regime change, or arms terrorists groups, or props up a repressive brutal dictatorial monarchy, or the deep state tries to rig or overturn an election, but nooo.

To the media elite, its quite alright to bomb to smithereens a nation causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands and destroy the lives of millions, murder, lie, and destroy, or exploit the sufferings of a shithole nation to defraud donors to your slush fund Foundation out of millions. But calling a shithole nation a shithole - that's what gets their feathers ruffled.

oyarde
01-12-2018, 08:00 PM
Please don't play coy with me, you know very well that I wasn't talking about immigration "policy" of the natives. I am talking about saving tax payers money and ways we can do that. Do u remember me telling you that I have never met a Native American in my life? well that was a big lie and I lied because I wanted to be nice to you. I have indeed met a loads of em in my line of work and suffice to say, the tax payers can save a loads by denying them the free services they are given. Just sayin

We do not accept any govt benefits here . The only two govt services I use are roads and post office and I pay for them .

Krugminator2
01-12-2018, 08:01 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_hous ehold_income

Median Household Income for not $#@!hole White Americans $59,698

Nigerian Americans: $62,086
Ethiopian Americans: $41,736
Egyptian Americans: $61,344
Ghanaian Americans: $59,545

Wow, so only one of the 4 most populous African immigrant groups to the US is doing significantly worse than whites.



If they can come to the US and find a job, then great. All for it.

That said, your statistic doesn't help and could hurt whatever point you are trying to make to anyone mathematically literate.

You aren't taking a random sample of people immigrating here. You are taking the brightest people who have to shown a lot of initiative overcoming numerous hurdles to immigrate here. They are often the children of people of means who go to schools here. Given the incomes you posted, people on the margin who enter the US from those countries right now earn less than the 59k number you cited. If you made it much easier to come here, then those income numbers would be much lower.

juleswin
01-12-2018, 08:04 PM
No "insanity" at all......

Take the free $#@! away and watch what happens...

There was no free $#@! society when the Europeans came nor were there the entitlement attitudes that accompany that lifestyle.

Exactly, they came in droves regardless of the society not having a welfare system. And just like osmosis, people will always move from areas of low opportunity to areas of high. Welfare helps that movement but it is no way the cause of it.

seapilot
01-12-2018, 08:06 PM
He is right about the larger issue.

The point is that the leftists are fabricating things again to try to manipulate people's emotions and claim he is racist.

They do that with anyone and everything that disagrees with them. They abuse the word and its meaning so much that when a real racism appears no one will really pay attention. Classic crying wolf.

juleswin
01-12-2018, 08:10 PM
We do not accept any govt benefits here . The only two govt services I use are roads and post office and I pay for them .

Everybody knows exceptions do not make the rule. The sad truth is that a lot of Native population are on the take and you could have easily asked the question about your people draining the tax payers than the other group of people. But you didn't do that, instead you went after a group of people who contribute more and take less from the system than you know.

Swordsmyth
01-12-2018, 08:13 PM
Everybody knows exceptions do not make the rule. The sad truth is that a lot of Native population are on the take and you could have easily asked the question about your people draining the tax payers than the other group of people. But you didn't do that, instead you went after a group of people who contribute more and take less from the system than you know.

Any individual who is not a leech is entitled to criticize any group of leeches he wants.
Oyarde didn't choose the topic of this thread, he only commented on it, if you want to criticize Injuns start your own thread.

oyarde
01-12-2018, 08:16 PM
Everybody knows exceptions do not make the rule. The sad truth is that a lot of Native population are on the take and you could have easily asked the question about your people draining the tax payers than the other group of people. But you didn't do that, instead you went after a group of people who contribute more and take less from the system than you know.

I live in an area with very low assistance rates in general , but there are no natives here accepting benefits . I am sure though there are probably some white people and hispanics on food stamps , I imagine though they all shop at walmart because I do not see any at the butcher .

timosman
01-12-2018, 08:20 PM
We can have unlimited immigration or we can have a Nanny State. We can't have both.

Well, we already have the Nanny State.

Ender
01-12-2018, 09:27 PM
No "insanity" at all......

Take the free $#@! away and watch what happens...

There was no free $#@! society when the Europeans came nor were there the entitlement attitudes that accompany that lifestyle.

There was also no Big Gov thinking they owned everything & taxing everyone for everything. People could hit he road & make their own way.

Influenza
01-12-2018, 10:39 PM
If they can come to the US and find a job, then great. All for it.

That said, your statistic doesn't help and could hurt whatever point you are trying to make to anyone mathematically literate.

You aren't taking a random sample of people immigrating here. You are taking the brightest people who have to shown a lot of initiative overcoming numerous hurdles to immigrate here. They are often the children of people of means who go to schools here. Given the incomes you posted, people on the margin who enter the US from those countries right now earn less than the 59k number you cited. If you made it much easier to come here, then those income numbers would be much lower.

Uhhh... lol. You're right. That's not a random sample of people immigrating here. That is the average income of every member of almost every single immigrant group living in the USA. But yes, the people immigrating that don't have refugee status aren't representative of the average person from their countries. They are typically better educated and more wealthy. This is because the US already has pretty high standards for immigrants to come here. Is anyone suggesting to allow immigrants to come en masse like they do in Europe? Or even to lower the standards at all? I haven't seen it.

I just think it's terribly undiplomatic and stupid for the president to call a huge amount of countries "shitholes," especially when the US has played a major part in making many of those countries the way they are

nikcers
01-12-2018, 10:48 PM
I just think it's terribly undiplomatic and stupid for the president to call a huge amount of countries "$#@!holes," especially when the US has played a major part in making many of those countries the way they are
It's weird because when some people think of their country they think of geography or the land, or the government, but thats false. A country is its people, you can't transplant a moral government without moral people. So when you have tons of people coming in that have conflicting interests it hurts the country. Lots of migration from countries like China and Russia for example. Which is the true reason why I think the government wants to do immigration control in the first place. The government will come in and fix a problem they created though, and the people will beg them for reform and they will get reform in the form of another boondoggle.

Influenza
01-12-2018, 10:48 PM
No "insanity" at all......

Take the free $#@! away and watch what happens...

There was no free $#@! society when the Europeans came nor were there the entitlement attitudes that accompany that lifestyle.

Dude are you even serious? The reason we have all these welfare programs today is cuz of what FDR did, to the applause of European Americans like you. Whites elected that dude 4 fucking times.

timosman
01-13-2018, 01:39 AM
Dude are you even serious? The reason we have all these welfare programs today is cuz of what FDR did, to the applause of European Americans like you. Whites elected that dude 4 fucking times.

Let's not forget Russians who let us win the Cold War. Your point?

timosman
01-13-2018, 01:55 AM
951895239140298752

Origanalist
01-13-2018, 02:37 AM
And if we have the first we will end up with the second, then we will collapse.

We are almost there now.

Almost? Lol

Swordsmyth
01-13-2018, 02:39 AM
Almost? Lol

We haven't collapsed yet.

goldenequity
01-13-2018, 03:28 AM
love Lionel...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX7d7uXlJh0

timosman
01-13-2018, 04:12 AM
951669506941755392

Superfluous Man
01-13-2018, 08:55 AM
We can have unlimited immigration or we can have a Nanny State. We can't have both.

That right there is an excellent reason for us all to support unlimited immigration, and is precisely why support for immigration restriction is such a key part of socialism.

Let's not have a nanny state.

Weston White
01-13-2018, 09:08 AM
Both can simultaneously exist, there is no relation between these two things. However, failure to regulate immigration will certainly lead to socialism.

nobody's_hero
01-13-2018, 09:23 AM
I just think it's terribly undiplomatic and stupid for the president to call a huge amount of countries "$#@!holes," especially when the US has played a major part in making many of those countries the way they are

Meh. Maybe in the 80's. Reagan's dead though.

I think the voters in those countries play a large role in making their country a shithole. They vote for the most socialist candidates on the ballots. Then they have revolutions every so often and end up with someone even more socialist. Unable to make the connection between the impoverished status of their country and their political demands, they flee to the USA where they magically become capitalists after crossing the border. -- Just kidding, they're probably going demand more of the same, here.


"They will bring with them the principles of the governments they leave, imbibed in their early youth; or, if able to throw them off, it will be in exchange for an un- bounded licentiousness, passing, as is usual, from one extreme to another. It would be a miracle were they to stop precisely at the point of temperate liberty. These principles, with their language, they will transmit to their children. In pro- portion to their numbers, they will share with us the legislation. They will infuse into it their spirit, warp and bias its directions, and render it a heterogeneous, in- coherent, distracted mass" — Thomas Jefferson on immigration

Jan2017
01-13-2018, 11:06 AM
. . . two Republican senators said they don't recall those vulgar characterizations from the President. Republican Sens. Tom Cotton and David Perdue, who've been close allies to the President on the issue of immigration, were in a White House meeting with him Thursday when Trump, according to sources, expressed frustration with people coming to the US from "shithole countries."

"We do not recall the President saying these comments specifically but what he did call out was the imbalance in our current immigration system,
"The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used," Trump said.
"What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made - a big setback for DACA!"


To End DACA, Follow the Constitution


remind the public that President Obama himself publicly admitted he did not have the constitutional power to do what DACA does.

Mr. President, End DACA http://www.nationalreview.com/article/451071/donald-trump-daca-democrats-must-compromise

The imbalance is by the one nation that has decimated US immigration policy . . . talking about African nations or Haiti doesn't make sense.
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. 2015. Number of I-821D, Consideration of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals
https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Resources/Reports%20and%20Studies/Immigration%20Forms%20Data/All%20Form%20Types/DACA/I821_daca_performancedata_fy2015_qtr4.pdf
Unauthorized Immigrant Population Profile
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/us-immigration-policy-program-data-hub/unauthorized-immigrant-population-profiles

samforpaul
01-13-2018, 11:27 AM
Personally I think this whole controversy is a big distraction just like our national politics. This is the real reason why I stopped participating with it, it still boggles my mind that serious sensible people are treating politics like it really affects anything.

But I am bored and I found this video from a Nigerian fella I watch and he nails it for me. Essentially, what he is saying is this, if the people he allegedly talks about are mad, they should do something to correct it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM_SAweqnyw&t=182s

I am embarrassed, butthurt, mad, triggered....... fill in the blank but not because of Trump. I wish this very public tongue lashing will spark something in Africans to step their game up.



Watched it. THANKS!

samforpaul
01-13-2018, 11:35 AM
In all fairness, every single country in Central America is a $#@! hole. It isn't a debatable statement.


I was in Belize several months in the 90's. Although poor, I wouldn't refer to the country as a s---hole.

Dark_Horse_Rider
01-13-2018, 11:50 AM
Do Swedes qualify for diversity visas yet?

Also, "African countries such as Haiti"... I mean, wrong continent, but yeah - earth's $#@!.

yeah, I heard that twit say that also, fekkin ignorant hypocrites

undergroundrr
01-13-2018, 11:53 AM
If I want to welcome into my home people from countries that he considers $#@!holes, he can wonder all he wants why I would do that, but he has no business interfering.

Exactly.

Like it or not, the argument for immigration restriction is an argument against property rights and freedom of association, and a plea for arming the government. Anybody who calls himself libertarian needs to accept that it's a flagrantly un-libertarian position. It's an argument for security over liberty. It's safetytarianism.

I know there are plenty here who don't consider themselves libertarians. Fine. If you're arguing for immigration restriction, you're arguing against your own liberty. Accept it.

Besides, it's a bad economic argument, welfare state or no welfare state. Haiti's a shithole, but it didn't get that way due to a bunch of immigrants coming in and ruining it. By definition, the best place in the world is the place the most immigrants are flocking to.

If you want to get rid of immigration, expand the welfare state. Eventually the borders will necessarily be sealed up. History is pretty consistent on what happens after that.

enhanced_deficit
01-13-2018, 11:58 AM
Rhetorical fireworks aside, there is some bad news for GOP as Trump has started to alienate some of his core "base".

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51-1oTonWeL._SX329_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?518194-H-1B-Visas-Would-Not-Be-Extended-Under-Trump-s-Latest-Proposal-Reports-Say&p=6574178&viewfull=1#post6574178)


Trump’s immigration meeting was lowest day of presidency: Ann Coulter (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?518194-H-1B-Visas-Would-Not-Be-Extended-Under-Trump-s-Latest-Proposal-Reports-Say&p=6574178&viewfull=1#post6574178)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHzUOLOC5eQ

susano
01-13-2018, 12:55 PM
Also, Trump is wrong on Norway. Eff them too.

Agreed. Western Europe is full of leftist fools clamoring for their own demise. The United States already got waves of (((European commies))) a long time ago (we see the results of that - a fifth column) and we don't need more.

He knows:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLinzSIcIac

susano
01-13-2018, 01:06 PM
We can have unlimited immigration or we can have a Nanny State. We can't have both.

The perpetual revolution commies, I'm sure, think they'll take care of that, too. Destroy all nation states and national (as well local) sovereignty and then institute a global welfare state with the rules set in Brussels. International is the operative word. The minions see global equality and their handlers/puppet masters see a global plantation.

dannno
01-13-2018, 01:15 PM
That right there is an excellent reason for us all to support unlimited immigration, and is precisely why support for immigration restriction is such a key part of socialism.

Let's not have a nanny state.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPfvEtPW0AARe1d.jpg

susano
01-13-2018, 01:26 PM
Hey, and does anyone remember the left pushing open borders and immigration pushing zero population growth back in the 70s? I was a dumb kid and drank that Kool Aid for a while. Back then they claimed we had way too many people, especially in the resource hogging USA. Now, that same left wants an exploding population of immigrants. Of course, the the real agenda is they think there are way too many white people who should stop reproducing and they should be replaced with ANYONE not white and no ideological ties to anything "American".

One phrase I loathe, and I'd like to know where it originated, is "diversity is our strength". No, it isn't. It is our downfall.

susano
01-13-2018, 01:49 PM
If they can come to the US and find a job, then great. All for it.

That said, your statistic doesn't help and could hurt whatever point you are trying to make to anyone mathematically literate.

You aren't taking a random sample of people immigrating here. You are taking the brightest people who have to shown a lot of initiative overcoming numerous hurdles to immigrate here. They are often the children of people of means who go to schools here. Given the incomes you posted, people on the margin who enter the US from those countries right now earn less than the 59k number you cited. If you made it much easier to come here, then those income numbers would be much lower.

Forgive me for jumping so randomly as I'm reading this thread backwards...

I would bet that many of these financially successful immigrants have also been given support from the social engineers responsible for bringing them here. There are lots of poster children that left holds up as examples while portraying Americans - especially in "flyover country" as drug addicted, unemployed hillbillies holding the world back from "progress". Many of these people are handed plum jobs in government and university systems which all pay far above what the average working stiff earns.

nikcers
01-13-2018, 01:51 PM
One phrase I loathe, and I'd like to know where it originated, is "diversity is our strength". No, it isn't. It is our downfall.
No our downfall will be divide and conquer. Our diversity is our strength, but someone coming here because their country is shitty isn't going to have any skin in the game or any attachment to our country. We shouldn't have anyone come here that has more love for their own culture then ours either. All they will do is transplant their ideas here, their bad ones. I don't think genetics or skin color has anything to do with it either. If you take someone from the United States who is of Mexican dissent but have lived here for multiple generations and put them into Mexico they would be ostracized, specifically they don't like them.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7VaXlMvAvk

Wooden Indian
01-13-2018, 01:55 PM
Personally, I can speak on this, and you people should shut yiur holes...

As a 173% Mohantabi Indian from the magestic plains of our great South Northbay mountainous swamps in the east, I am greatly offended that people whom may have matched your skin pigmentation took my ancestors land once upon a time according to what I heard. This has oppressed me daily and caused me untold sorrow.

BUT DAMNIT-- I LOVE ME SOME GUBERMINT CHEESE!!

susano
01-13-2018, 01:58 PM
Exactly, they came in droves regardless of the society not having a welfare system. And just like osmosis, people will always move from areas of low opportunity to areas of high. Welfare helps that movement but it is no way the cause of it.

It's a different world now and welfare most certainly is a huge motivator as evidenced by the hordes of invading Europe being very picky about which European country they wanted to settle in. Naturally, they choose/chose those with the most generous welfare states. Shit, what do think motivates a Mexican female to cross the border to pop out her anchor baby on US soil?

susano
01-13-2018, 02:06 PM
No our downfall will be divide and conquer. Our diversity is our strength, but someone coming here because their country is $#@!ty isn't going to have any skin in the game or any attachment to our country. We shouldn't have anyone come here that has more love for their own culture then ours either. All they will do is transplant their ideas here, their bad ones. I don't think genetics or skin color has anything to do with it either. If you take someone from the United States who is of Mexican dissent but have lived here for multiple generations and put them into Mexico they would be ostracized, specifically they don't like them.




You just made my point. Diversity, in multikulti speak, is exactly what you laid out as our downfall. It's non assimilation, no common language, no common history, no common anything.

susano
01-13-2018, 02:17 PM
And if we have the first we will end up with the second, then we will collapse.

We are almost there now.

Wouldn't that be the Cloward & Piven strategy? What's solution? Global communism, of course. One big happy plantation.

nikcers
01-13-2018, 02:20 PM
You just made my point. Diversity, in multikulti speak, is exactly what you laid out as our downfall. It's non assimilation, no common language, no common history, no common anything.
No i just basically said that diversity doesn't mean what you think it means. You don't have to have to assimilate to contribute to our country. I fucking love pizza, but not the authentic shit from italy.

Dark_Horse_Rider
01-13-2018, 04:20 PM
I think some states are $#@!holes like Connecticut or Massachusetts, so it's not unreasonable to think that countries can be $#@!holes as well.

this is a very good point. . . many people feel and say such things about certain states or cities they don't find appealling

Anti Federalist
01-13-2018, 06:22 PM
I know, let's ask these guys how millions and millions of immigrants flooding their nations, bringing a culture that was foreign, hostile and toxic to their own, worked out for them?

Toxic, quite literally.

The pilgrims in New England would never had survived, had it not been for plagues, most likely brought from Europe by fishermen and fur traders, that had essentially wiped out the Indian populations.

https://www.accessgenealogy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Cree-Indians-Saskatchewan.jpg

RonZeplin
01-13-2018, 06:46 PM
Amnesty for DACA S**tHole Dreamers will Make America Great Again!

/s

Anti Federalist
01-13-2018, 08:14 PM
Whoopsie.

Maybe Justina Trudeau needs to cry some more.



Migrants Fleeing to Canada Learn Even a Liberal Nation Has Limits

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/13/world/canada/quebec-immigrants-haitians.html

By DAN BILEFSKY JAN. 13, 2018

MONTREAL — After fleeing to Montreal from Long Island, Marlise Beauville felt, she said, as if she had reached the Promised Land.

She entered the country last summer without immigration papers, yet received a work permit, a monthly stipend of 600 Canadian dollars, or $480, free health care and free French lessons. The weather has become bone-cold chilly but her Canadian neighbors are warm.

Though it is not clear that she will be able to stay, she is hunkering down, adamant that limbo in Canada is better than returning to Haiti, where she fears that the family of her dead husband will kill her. “I won’t — I can’t — go back to Haiti,” said Ms. Beauville, a caregiver from Anse-à-Veau, Haiti, who was visiting a Haitian community center here the other day.

Ms. Beauville was one of a surge of thousands of Haitian migrants who crossed over the border from the United States to Quebec last summer, spurred by a May announcement by the Trump administration that Haitians could lose their temporary protected status in the United States, granted after the 2010 earthquake that devastated their country.

The migrants were hoping to benefit from a loophole in a United States-Canada treaty that allowed them to make refugee claims in Canada if they did not arrive at legal ports of entry, but crossed the border illegally.

But Canadian officials are warning that even liberal Canada has its limits amid concerns, fairly or not, that illegal migration is stretching the immigration system to a breaking point and risks stoking a potential backlash.

Canada’s minister of immigration, Ahmed Hussen, himself a former refugee who moved to the country from Somalia when he was 16, said Canada was proud to be a welcoming country but could not welcome everyone. Only about 8 percent of Haitian migrants had received asylum here since the summer, he said, while there is a backlog of about 40,700 cases, according to Canada’s Immigration and Refugee Board.

“We don’t want people to illegally enter our border, and doing so is not a free ticket to Canada,” Mr. Hussen said in an interview. “We are saying, ‘You will be apprehended, screened, detained, fingerprinted, and if you can’t establish a genuine claim, you will be denied refugee protection and removed.’ ”

Canadian immigration officials are once again bracing for a possible influx of migrants heading north. On Monday, the Trump administration announced that it would not be renewing temporary protected status for nearly 200,000 Salvadorans, a humanitarian measure that had allowed them to live and work legally in the United States.

On Thursday at a White House meeting, President Trump demanded to know why he should accept immigrants from Haiti and some countries in Africa, which he described in vulgar and disparaging terms. His remarks possibly further unsettled others in the United States already anxious about their precarious status.

In what appeared to be an effort to dispel false hope among would-be immigrants and help stem an influx, Pablo Rodriguez, a Liberal member of Parliament who was born in Argentina, will be traveling to Los Angeles next week to meet with members of the Hispanic community there to explain the limits of Canadian asylum policy.

On an earlier trip there, he sought to counter false media reports in the Latin American press that he said were suggesting that migrants could travel to Canada, “walk in and stay forever.”

Earlier this summer, the government also sent Emmanuel Dubourg, a Liberal Haitian-Canadian member of Parliament from Montreal, to Miami’s “Little Haiti” to spread the word that getting asylum in Canada was difficult. “People come here and realize that this is not the Promised Land and that they could be deported back to Haiti,” he said in an interview.

Immigration is a particularly emotional issue in Quebec, a province largely made up of French speakers surrounded by an English-speaking majority, where immigrants are required to send their children to French-only schools. Quebec’s Liberal government recently banned full face-veils in the province in public spaces, arguing that it encouraged the segregation of women.

In August, the number of asylum seekers who illegally crossed the United States border into Quebec swelled to 5,530, a majority of them Haitians, according to Canadian government data published that month. In November, that number dropped to about 1,500 people, suggesting that cold weather and the warnings from Canadian officials were having an effect.

Many of those who travel to Canada avoid the official border, so they can circumvent the Safe Third Party Agreement between Canada and the United States, which requires asylum seekers to apply for refuge in the country where they first arrived.

That loophole has created a political headache for the government of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, prompting criticism that it is encouraging illegal immigration, even as refugee advocates warn that Haitian migrants could face poverty, violence or worse if they are sent back to Haiti.

Mr. Hussen emphasized that Canada was obliged to honor its international commitments under the 1951 United Nations refugee convention, which makes clear that asylum claims should be considered even if those applying use irregular means to enter a country because refugees are, by definition, fleeing persecution.

But experts say there are too few judges to adjudicate the backlog of refugee claims, which means that the asylum process for migrants like Ms. Beauville can drag on for as long as two years.

“There is a disconnect between Trudeau’s hashtag ‘Welcome to Canada’ and the reality that the system is overwhelmed,” said Michelle Rempel, a member of the opposition conservative party who is the shadow minister for immigration. “It can lead to a nationalist blowback like we have seen in Europe.”

Ms. Beauville is undeterred. She said that after her husband died 15 years ago in Haiti, his family threatened her with a machete unless she handed over her inheritance. So she fled to Long Island. There, she eked out a living as a caregiver.

Life was not easy in America — she had left her young son with her sister back in Haiti — but at least it was better than living with death threats.

When reports that Haitians were going to be deported from the United States began to circulate in the summer, Ms. Beauville once again packed her bags. She left her home in Long Island, boarded a Greyhound bus for Plattsburgh, N.Y., and then took a taxi to an unofficial point along the United States-Canadian border.

When an amiable Royal Canadian Mounted Police officer warned her that she would be detained, she had her reply ready: “Please arrest me.”

She was detained but not handcuffed.

“They asked how much money I had,” she recalled. “They took my fingerprints, and a group of us were then taken to a YMCA for processing. I love Canada because it is an open welcoming country. I feel I receive love here.”

In Quebec, which has a small but vocal anti-immigrant far right, the reaction against the newcomers has been relatively muted. After the Haitian migrants began arriving this summer in Montreal, a smattering of protesters picketed near the city’s Olympic Stadium, where some were housed.

In a Facebook post, François Legault, leader of the Coalition Avenir Québec, a right-of-center party with growing appeal, wrote that Quebec was already burdened by too many immigrants. He said Quebecers had been “shocked to see the migrants enter, many ignoring the laws, as if there was no border.”

Despite such sentiments, Marjorie Villefranche, the director general of La Maison d’Haïti in Montreal, a Haitian community organization, said the migrants had been largely embraced, in part because many Haitians speak French. She said that she did not know of a single case of a Haitian asylum seeker among the recent newcomers who had been deported from Canada, given that the appeal process was lengthy.

And while racism exists, she said, much of the animus toward immigrants had been directed at Muslims. The center recently came under criticism, she noted, when it opened its doors to refugees during Ramadan.

“The sad truth is that if Haitians were Muslim the reaction would be far different,” she said.

Haitians began arriving in Quebec in the 1960s to flee the tyranny of François Duvalier, known as Papa Doc. Today, there is a Haitian member of Parliament, a senator as well as celebrated singers, Uber drivers and doctors.

Ms. Beauville hopes to join their ranks, and on a recent day she and her friend Marie Nadege, a fellow migrant, made their way to Haiti House, where a Canadian canoe-making manufacturer had come to recruit workers. As far as they were concerned, Quebec was their new home.

“I have nothing in Haiti,” Ms. Beauville said. “No money. No house.”

“I keep praying I can stay,” she said.

RJB
01-13-2018, 08:22 PM
MONTREAL — After fleeing to Montreal from Long Island, Marlise Beauville felt, she said, as if she had reached the Promised Land.



Why would anyone from Haiti want to come to this shithole (Canada or the US)!?!?!?! Someone needs to warn her of all the racists here. Did anyone tell her about the existence of white privilege? The horror!

I'll have to self-flagellate myself.

Anti Federalist
01-13-2018, 08:30 PM
Why would anyone from Haiti want to come to this shithole (Canada or the US)!?!?!?! Someone needs to warn her of all the racists here. Did anyone tell her about the existence of white privilege? The horror!

I'll have to self-flagellate myself.

White men are toxic, poison, must be eliminated...yet everybody wants to flock to nations where the systems and technology white men created are in place.

These folks never fly to Uganda or Nigeria or Bahamas for asylum.

RJB
01-13-2018, 08:36 PM
White men are toxic, poison, must be eliminated...yet everybody wants to flock to nations where the systems and technology white men created are in place.

These folks never fly to Uganda or Nigeria or Bahamas for asylum.

We need to warn the world. Immediately!

juleswin
01-13-2018, 08:40 PM
It's a different world now and welfare most certainly is a huge motivator as evidenced by the hordes of invading Europe being very picky about which European country they wanted to settle in. Naturally, they choose/chose those with the most generous welfare states. $#@!, what do think motivates a Mexican female to cross the border to pop out her anchor baby on US soil?

Yes, when given a choice between country A with generous welfare program and country B with little welfare program. Most people will choose country A. it doesn't mean that they would turn back if no country had some welfare.

Anti Federalist
01-13-2018, 08:43 PM
We need to warn the world. Immediately!

Sound the tocsins far and wide.!

nikcers
01-14-2018, 12:15 AM
White men are toxic, poison, must be eliminated...yet everybody wants to flock to nations where the systems and technology white men created are in place.

These folks never fly to Uganda or Nigeria or Bahamas for asylum.
I've really only heard of Rand Paul going to shitholes like that on vacation and doing free eye surgeries-because to him its a vacation to actually get to fix things.

timosman
01-14-2018, 12:18 AM
I've really only heard of Rand Paul going to shitholes like that on vacation and doing free eye surgeries-because to him its a vacation to actually get to fix things.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?482326-Gary-Heavin

TheCount
01-14-2018, 01:17 AM
Bernie Sanders does not support immigration restriction. He used to support it, because he was against depressed wages for workers, but since his Presidential run he has converted fully to the mainstream Democratic position which favors White Genocide above the protection of working class wages.

You're just supposed to capitalize white, not both words. (#3)

http://i.imgur.com/spg7Awh.png

TheCount
01-14-2018, 01:23 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_hous ehold_income

Median Household Income for not shithole White Americans $59,698

Nigerian Americans: $62,086
Ethiopian Americans: $41,736
Egyptian Americans: $61,344
Ghanaian Americans: $59,545

Wow, so only one of the 4 most populous African immigrant groups to the US is doing significantly worse than whites.


Huh, I wonder how that's possible for people who are genetically poor to be instead be above average...

parocks
01-14-2018, 01:47 AM
951895239140298752

People donated money to help Haiti, and Hillary stole it, right? That's why Haiti is a shithole?

Jan2017
01-14-2018, 08:38 AM
Coulter: "When Kevin McCarthy is the hardliner on immigration in the room, I think we can call this the lowest day in the Trump presidency"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHzUOLOC5eQ

Coulter also misunderstands what a clean bill means in the Senate, as did Trump (at least at first) after the DiFi comment-
a clean bill means amendments could be consolidated as a one vote bill on a full immigration package,
it does not have to mean it only has to be "stand alone DACA", fwiw.
She is critical of Trump, as being exactly like what parts of the Wolfe book project.

The lowest day is probably the meeting later in the week Thursday that led to this artwork, imo.

Projector Lights Up Trump’s D.C. Hotel With ‘Shithole’ And Poop Emojis
The Trump International Hotel’s new makeover was inspired by Donald Trump’s recent immigration meeting.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-international-hotel-dc-shithole_us_5a5ac62ee4b04f3c55a33624


Amnesty for DACA S**tHole Dreamers will Make America Great Again!

/sSome form of DACA amnesty was the compromise offer, but after this week any DACA deals are looking dead.

Dark_Horse_Rider
01-14-2018, 08:42 AM
Coulter is a tool of the elitist swine

johnwk
01-14-2018, 09:20 AM
But the overall impact is a net good for most parties, including most employees. If you focus on a particular employee who loses their job or has to work for less, you can find someone who loses more than they win. But that is to commit the fallacy Bastiat calls the seen versus the unseen. You pick one point in the whole vast economy where a net loss is concentrated while ignoring the net good that's distributed widely for all.

Have you been drinking again?

:rolleyes:

JWK

oyarde
01-14-2018, 09:26 AM
White men are toxic, poison, must be eliminated...yet everybody wants to flock to nations where the systems and technology white men created are in place.

These folks never fly to Uganda or Nigeria or Bahamas for asylum.
It is so
Danke and I will not be seeking asylum in Nigeria

Jan2017
01-14-2018, 09:40 AM
Jeff Flake's immigration plan falls flat with Republicans

House and Senate negotiators left a Thursday White House meeting no closer to an agreement on immigration,
despite claims by Sen. Jeff Flake that an agreement was imminent.

“It’s not even a fig leaf, it’s a pine needle,” Cotton said, adding that the deal is “a joke.”
The offer included money for a border wall but it was “far below” the $18 billion the Trump administration proposed earlier this week, he said.
And the changes to chain migration and the diversity visa lottery were insufficient, he added.

Sen. John Thune, R-S.D., a GOP leader, said he believes a vote on legislation may not be possible in January and may slip to February.

Democrats and Republicans are far apart on almost all aspects of reform. For example, President Trump wants
to make changes to chain migration more broadly than only the relatives of the so-called Dreamers, Short said.
Democrats are opposed to curbing it at all.

Cotton said the Flake proposal did not make sufficient changes to the practice. "It's a joke of a proposal," he said.
Cotton wants chain migration limited to spouses and minor children.
“Not for parents, not for adult kids, not for married kids,” Cotton said.

Graham bristled at those comments.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/jeff-flakes-immigration-plan-falls-flat-with-republicans/article/2645653

johnwk
01-14-2018, 09:43 AM
It is absolutely hilarious to see how our communist/socialist/progressive crowd's heads are exploding over a legitimate question.


You have it backwards. Immigration restriction always has been and remains one of the hallmarks of socialism and progressivism.



You will have to clarify and substantiate that bizarre assertion. Aside from that you never did answer the question asked in the post you responded to:“Why are we having all these people from ******** countries come here?”



So, tell us, why are we allowing the poverty stricken, poorly educated low and unskilled populations of poverty stricken nations come here? It is utter insanity to do so!


JWK





American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.

johnwk
01-14-2018, 10:02 AM
Would you still "benefit" if government didn't support the US cheap labor class?

Strip the free $#@! programs and watch how quickly the third world labor becomes a liability.


And, also watch how, today, without stripping the free $#@! programs, today's hard working American citizens have been made into tax slaves to fund the free $#@! programs which the poverty stricken populations of $#@! hole countries receive after invading our country. The bottom line is, America's hard working Citizens get $#@! holed either way!


JWK



There was a time not too long ago in New York when the able-bodied were ashamed to accept home relief, a program created by Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1931 when he was Governor. Now, New York City and many other major cities are infested with countless government cheese factions from $#@! hole countries, who not only demand welfare, but use it to buy beer, wine, drugs, sex, and Lotto tickets.

johnwk
01-14-2018, 10:09 AM
I don't follow. How could more labor conceivably be a liability?




When the value of the labor provided is less than the value of free $#@! the laborer gets from government.


JWK




American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.

johnwk
01-14-2018, 10:23 AM
But the overall impact is a net good for most parties, including most employees..

As is usually the case with you ___ one who is selective in mentioning the parties who benefit ___ you forget about the impact government subsidized labor has on hard working American Citizens who are made into tax slaves to pay for the free$#@! government subsidized labor.


Why do you ignore the plight of hard working American citizens in our nation's inner cities, some of whom are working two and three jobs to extricate themselves from their circumstances, who are taxed to finance the free $#@! government subsidized labor you embrace?


JWK



"To lay with one hand the power of the government on the property of the citizen [a working person’s earned wage] and with the other to bestow upon favored individuals, [socialists, progressives and the poverty stricken populations who have invaded America's borders], to aid private enterprises and build up private fortunes is none the less a robbery because it is done under forms of law and called taxation."____ Savings and Loan Association v.Topeka,(1875).

johnwk
01-14-2018, 10:47 AM
Notice that nothing in what you just quoted, including what you bolded, once again, entails a denial that Trump used the word "$#@!hole" at all in the meeting. They just pick out one attributed quote and basically say, "No, we don't recall him saying those exact words in that order applying that particular vulgarity to the specific countries that were alleged."

Again, that's all beside the point though, because he himself fully admits that he essentially said the same thing, just without the word "$#@!hole," being specifically applied to Haiti, and stands by it.

This is according to Trump's own tweets that are right there in that same article.

Give it a freaken break! It has been common to use the phrase "third world countries" for years without rage being created. President Trump's use of $#@! hole, if true, merely puts an exclamation point on "third world countries".


Stop making a big ado over nothing, and focus on the free $#@! government subsidized programs handed out to the poverty stricken populations of third world countries who are, and have been, invading America's borders. Is it not time to stop making American citizens into tax slaves to finance the free $#@! programs handed out to the poverty stricken populations of other countries who have invaded America's borders?


JWK



American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.

Jan2017
01-14-2018, 12:02 PM
Rand on Meet the Press today reminds us of Lindsey Graham . . .

Watch: Lindsey Graham – Who Blasted Trump for ‘Shithole’ Comment – Called Mexico a ‘Hellhole’ in 2013
Graham, in 2013, said during a Senate panel discussion that Mexico and other countries
the majority of illegal aliens are deriving from are a “hellhole.”
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/12/watch-lindsey-graham-who-blasted-trump-for-shithole-comment-called-mexico-a-hellhole-in-2013/

nikcers
01-14-2018, 12:47 PM
This was obviously leaked out because they want to create partisan gridlock where there is none, they are too worried about letting the other side win and they don't care if it hurts the country. I hope Rand keeps calling out these side shows as he sees them. This issue will decide which party wins the majority. We will see if Don is installing more democrats because we already had this argument with the election if he turns weak kneed here we will see his true colors.

Schifference
01-14-2018, 01:33 PM
A hellhole is not a shithole!
I am confident that Senator Graham could elaborate on the distinction.

nikcers
01-14-2018, 01:41 PM
A hellhole is not a $#@!hole!
I am confident that Senator Graham could elaborate on the distinction.
Hell is relative- Norway is a hellhole for people who love capitalism and hate taxes.

Anti Federalist
01-14-2018, 01:49 PM
Haiti, Favelas and Property Rights

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/haiti-favelas-property-rights/

Michael S. Rozeff

A lot of people live in slums called favelas, places where you and I certainly do not want to live. Search Google to find photos. Haiti is one such place.

On a scale of 0 to 100, poorest to best scores, Haiti has a property rights score of 13, the lowest even of its peers. Cuba is 32 and Jamaica is 58. America is 81. We used to be 90 before 2009. In 2010 it fell to 85 and in 2014, to 80.

Haiti’s property rights problem is also a government problem, a legal problem, a political problem and an enforcement problem. It’s a problem that has resisted improvement for a long, long time. The cited article indicates specific legal problems.

The name-calling surrounding Trump’s remarks obscures the lesson that everyone needs to be taught, respect and know, which is that secure private property rights are essential for people to make something of their lives. Without security for the ownership of what one builds or produces, one loses the incentive to own and to produce in the first place. If property can be stolen, taxed or regulated away at the unstable whim of others or government, or if property cannot be clearly obtained and defended, what incentive is there to attain it in the first place?

Property rights have to be separated from racism. We in America cannot sustain strong property rights if we override them with government powers that supposedly are aiming to create progress against discrimination. Rental discrimination is not per se or automatically racism unless the force of law stands behind such discrimination; and that has happened in our country’s history. Private discrimination should not be outlawed at the price of eroding or destroying private property rights. That accomplishes nothing. Individuals or a whole society do not become more tolerant by passing a law outlawing intolerance.

It’s novel for a president’s opinions to be expressed bluntly and revealed so quickly. It’s not novel any longer for this president to be accused on one ground after another. In this case, the accusation is racism. Well before the current incident, the case was being made that Trump is racist, such as this article in Fortune. Most of this particular article dwells on Trump’s resistance to laws that infringed on the property rights of landlords. Anyone who opposes provisions of the U.S. Code that supposedly uphold civil rights and end discrimination, while simultaneously undermining property rights, can be and many have been accused of racism. How ironic it is that Trump attempted 50 years ago to defend his property rights, not a racist position, and now he is accused of being racist for a remark made about countries that have terrible property rights, such that they produce a large stream of people seeking to escape to other countries that have more secure property rights.

The storm of remarks critical of Trump’s comment may include people of sincere belief as well as people who are politically motivated. It doesn’t much matter. The point is the confusion of racism with the defense of property rights. The point is that terrible property rights are one major cause of favelas in many parts of the world. If America decimated its property rights, we’d have the same result here.

It just so happens that most of the world is not white, something like 70 percent. It also happens that property rights vary across the world, and a variety of legal and government enforcement systems prevail. Identifying a place as having poor property rights is likely simultaneously to pick out a place that has a nonwhite population or some other ethnic or religious character. This is because much of the world is nonwhite, much of the world doesn’t have legal and governing systems that result in secure property rights, and crucially because societies with governments tend to be somewhat homogeneous along some such lines as race, ethnicity, language, legal code and religion. The cause of poor government and property rights is not skin color, which is a superficial trait. What then are the causes of poor property rights? Or the opposite: What are the reasons why some countries enjoy superior property rights?

nikcers
01-14-2018, 02:11 PM
It just so happens that most of the world is not white, something like 70 percent. It also happens that property rights vary across the world, and a variety of legal and government enforcement systems prevail. Identifying a place as having poor property rights is likely simultaneously to pick out a place that has a nonwhite population or some other ethnic or religious character. This is because much of the world is nonwhite, much of the world doesn’t have legal and governing systems that result in secure property rights,

Good post I would add though to me it has nothing to do with race I don't want white people coming here demanding big government either. I don't care if they are from Denmark, Norway, Switzerland, Germany, or Mexico. America was founded by people fleeing their country to create a country where the state would leave you the hell alone, I don't want any bad ideas coming.

Ender
01-14-2018, 03:11 PM
Good post I would add though to me it has nothing to do with race I don't want white people coming here demanding big government either. I don't care if they are from Denmark, Norway, Switzerland, Germany, or Mexico. America was founded by people fleeing their country to create a country where the state would leave you the hell alone, I don't want any bad ideas coming.

We lost that country with the CONstitution coupe. Part of the US indoctrination system, known as public ed, is to make you think you still have some freedom. Property "rights" are a joke- just stop paying your property taxes and the real owners will show up.

The real problem with letting shithole countries immigrate here is not them, but US gov.

Get rid of entitlements. Period. And get .gov out of medicine, food, the poverty problem, etc. and watch everyone flourish.

And, BTW, have some good friends that do a lot of service work with Haitians and say that, overall, they are a wonderful people.

nikcers
01-14-2018, 03:27 PM
We lost that country with the CONstitution coupe. Part of the US indoctrination system, known as public ed, is to make you think you still have some freedom. Property "rights" are a joke- just stop paying your property taxes and the real owners will show up.

The real problem with letting $#@!hole countries immigrate here is not them, but US gov.

Get rid of entitlements. Period. And get .gov out of medicine, food, the poverty problem, etc. and watch everyone flourish.

And, BTW, have some good friends that do a lot of service work with Haitians and say that, overall, they are a wonderful people.
A country accepting immigrants from the countries they are destroying with their foreign policy and monetary policies is too little to late. Its like putting out some fires after starting a bunch of fires. I say we stop starting these fires before we import hell here.

Ender
01-14-2018, 03:33 PM
A country accepting immigrants from the countries they are destroying with their foreign policy and monetary policies is too little to late. Its like putting out some fires after starting a bunch of fires. I say we stop starting these fires before we import hell here.

Exactly.

enhanced_deficit
01-14-2018, 05:16 PM
Trump seems to be caught up in a tough spot, is any group happy with his border control policies?


Right is unhappy

[QUOT]Rhetorical fireworks aside, there is some bad news for GOP as Trump has started to alienate some of his core "base".

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51-1oTonWeL._SX329_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?518194-H-1B-Visas-Would-Not-Be-Extended-Under-Trump-s-Latest-Proposal-Reports-Say&p=6574178&viewfull=1#post6574178)


Trump’s immigration meeting was lowest day of presidency: Ann Coulter (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?518194-H-1B-Visas-Would-Not-Be-Extended-Under-Trump-s-Latest-Proposal-Reports-Say&p=6574178&viewfull=1#post6574178)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHzUOLOC5eQ[/QUOTE]



Left is unhappy


'S---hole' projected onto Trump hotel

By Jacqueline Thomsen - 01/13/18



http://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumb_small_article/public/hotelshithole.jpg?itok=KVSw5x-r

The word “shithole” was projected onto President Trump (http://thehill.com/people/donald-trump)’s D.C. hotel Saturday.
Video (https://www.pscp.tv/w/1kvJpkAzaPkGE#) shows the word, along with the poop emoji, being projected onto the property.
“Pay Trump bribes here,” “emoluments welcome” and “we are all responsible to stand up and end white supremacy” were also projected onto the building.Trump has faced intense backlash for calling (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/368576-trump-rips-protections-for-immigrants-from-shithole-countries-in) Haiti, El Salvador and African nations “shithole countries” during an Oval Office meeting on immigration this week.
“Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” Trump reportedly said, before suggesting that the U.S. bring in more immigrants from countries like Norway.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/368937-shithole-projected-onto-trump-hotel

johnwk
01-15-2018, 07:14 AM
Exactly.

:rolleyes:

shakey1
01-15-2018, 07:54 AM
If Trump had even actually said the descript verbiage, you'd think some kind of audio or video proof would've surfaced by now... much ado about nothing... now it's the MSM story of the week.

Schifference
01-15-2018, 08:06 AM
Offer free beer and taco's 24/7/365 on the other side of the border. Post warning signs and plant land mines on this side.

Superfluous Man
01-15-2018, 08:39 AM
So, tell us, why are we allowing the poverty stricken, poorly educated low and unskilled populations of poverty stricken nations come here? It is utter insanity to do so!


Because the alternative is not allowing them, by way of doing unethical things to stop peaceful people from engaging in harmless activities.

You have the right to keep them off of your own privately owned property. But you have no right to keep them off of any property that is not rightfully yours, such as the workplace of an employer who wants to hire them.

You may not want to welcome them. But when others of us want to, it's none of your, or Trump's, business.

tod evans
01-15-2018, 09:09 AM
Because the alternative is not allowing them, by way of doing unethical things to stop peaceful people from engaging in harmless activities.

You have the right to keep them off of your own privately owned property. But you have no right to keep them off of any property that is not rightfully yours, such as the workplace of an employer who wants to hire them.

You may not want to welcome them. But when others of us want to, it's none of your, or Trump's, business.

If you, as my neighbor, engage in behaviors I don't like I will try talking to you nicely..........Maybe twice if I like you.........If you continue with said behaviors I will escalate the situation without regard for 'the law'...

So many people believe that it's their prerogative to engage in behavior that affects others so long as it's 'legal' without repercussion...

Trick is to live in a community where the other people feel the same way, that way you're not left holding the bag when the offending person runs crying to 'the law'....

The cities are beyond hope at this point, there's no cohesiveness among neighbors and the government indoctrination centers continue the bleat tolerance and inclusiveness.

People of like mind create communities, diversity is the exact opposite of like-minded...

Superfluous Man
01-15-2018, 09:30 AM
So many people believe that it's their prerogative to engage in behavior that affects others so long as it's 'legal' without repercussion...


If by "legal" you mean just, as in conforming with the one true law of ethical right and wrong that actually exists and is not just made up dictates of politicians with no legitimate right to rule anyone else, then yes, that is exactly correct.

You are morally obligated to allow me to engage in activity that indirectly affects you, such as hiring people from some other country to work for me at lower wages than I would have to pay you, without responding by any violent means, so long as that activity is just.

If you really believe that you are right, and that I ought not do that, then trying to persuade me by talking to me nicely is exactly what your response should be. You can also boycott my business and try to get others to join you in that. But at the end of the day, if peaceful means of changing my mind fail, you have to leave me and my employees alone.

tod evans
01-15-2018, 09:37 AM
You are morally obligated to allow me to engage in activity that indirectly affects you, such as hiring people from some other country to work for me at lower wages than I would have to pay you, without responding by any violent means, so long as that activity is just.

If you really believe that you are right, and that I ought not do that, then trying to persuade me by talking to me nicely is exactly what your response should be. You can also boycott my business and try to get others to join you in that. But at the end of the day, if peaceful means of changing my mind fail, you have to leave me and my employees alone.

That's a nice opinion.

As far as you dictating my moral obligations..............Not ever!

Madison320
01-15-2018, 09:51 AM
Trump may be the greatest President in the history of Presidents.

i luv him more and more lol

I give him a thumbs up for the s'hole comment but overall his economic positions are terrible.

Superfluous Man
01-15-2018, 10:04 AM
That's a nice opinion.

As far as you dictating my moral obligations..............Not ever!

I'm not dictating anything. I'm merely making an observation of what is true. And you know it.

Conspicuously you don't even deny that you know I'm right.

Madison320
01-15-2018, 10:29 AM
Exactly, they came in droves regardless of the society not having a welfare system. And just like osmosis, people will always move from areas of low opportunity to areas of high. Welfare helps that movement but it is no way the cause of it.

The root cause of the problem is people on welfare voting for more welfare. They should not be allowed to vote. That would fix the whole immigration "problem".

tod evans
01-15-2018, 11:42 AM
I'm not dictating anything. I'm merely making an observation of what is true. And you know it.

Conspicuously you don't even deny that you know I'm right.

I've lived long enough to understand that reality and philosophy don't always mesh.

You're free to continue on with your fairy-tail ideas until they have a direct affect on me or mine and then my reality will step in.

tod evans
01-15-2018, 11:43 AM
The root cause of the problem is people on welfare voting for more welfare. They should not be allowed to vote. That would fix the whole immigration "problem".

No it wouldn't, not at this point.

Maybe 30 years ago this would have been true.

AZJoe
01-15-2018, 12:23 PM
That right there is an excellent reason for us all to support unlimited immigration, and is precisely why support for immigration restriction is such a key part of socialism.
Let's not have a nanny state.

There's a big cause and effect fail in SF's statement. If immigration got rid of socialism and the nanny state, by now the USA would have not a single "welfare" or subsidy program, the tiniest government in the world, and no taxes.

timosman
01-15-2018, 02:11 PM
Bayakou - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayakou_(trade)



(29 Dec 2016) The men strip off their clothes, wrap themselves in rags and plug their nostrils with tobacco to hide the stench.
They squeeze into a cramped outhouse with a reeking pit to scoop buckets of human excrement with their bare hands.
It's just another night's work for this four-man team of "bayakou" — the Haitian waste cleaners who take to the streets at night doing a miserable, indispensable job that creates such social scorn that few admit they do it at all.
The pit latrine cleaners form the lowest ranks of a primitive sanitation system that is largely responsible for the fierce persistence of cholera in this country since it was introduced to the country's largest river in October 2010 by sewage from a base of UN peacekeepers.
Haiti still relies mostly on crude methods of waste disposal that have crippled its ability to combat a water-borne illness that can cause diarrhea so severe that victims can die of dehydration in hours if they don't get treatment.
It has sickened roughly 800,000 people and killed at least 9,500.
The UN, which this month acknowledged not doing enough to help the country fight cholera while stopping short of an admission of responsibility for introducing it, has announced a new fundraising plan to battle the easily treatable disease.
It seeks to raise 400 (m) million US dollars from UN member states, with the first 200 (m) million dedicated in large part to treating patients with care like oral rehydration fluids, while promoting improvements in hygiene by distributing supplies like chlorine and soap.
Improving water, sanitation and health systems are also stated goals of this first phase.
But critics say the UN has failed to consistently focus on the long-term problem — how Haitians dispose of their waste and get their water.
What's needed, critics say, are sustained investments in infrastructure that would prevent fecal matter from contaminating water supplies and continuing the cycle of disease.
Complicating matters is the factr that the cholera bacteria, previously unknown in the country, has adapted to waterways and become endemic in the country.
A major challenge is figuring out how to engage Haiti's bayakou and change behaviours.
Some of the nocturnal workers are hired by sanitation companies, but most are independent operators who empty into drainage canals in violation of the law, creating ideal conditions for the spread of cholera and other diseases.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dwg3kKeECc

johnwk
01-15-2018, 02:43 PM
Because the alternative is not allowing them, by way of doing unethical things to stop peaceful people from engaging in harmless activities.

You have the right to keep them off of your own privately owned property. But you have no right to keep them off of any property that is not rightfully yours, such as the workplace of an employer who wants to hire them.

You may not want to welcome them. But when others of us want to, it's none of your, or Trump's, business.


My goodness. Instead of offering absurd personal opinions of what should be, try to base your opinions within our Constitution's boundaries. Whether you like it or not, our federal government is charged with protecting our borders against "invasions". And that would include the flood of foreigners who are entering our country in violation of our laws. Got it?


JWK





American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of $#@!-hole countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.

Jamesiv1
01-15-2018, 02:55 PM
Bayakou - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayakou_(trade)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dwg3kKeECc
Any country that has to manually unblock the fecal logjams in the sewage system as a regular course of business can be confidently placed in the "shithole country" column of the spreadsheet.

Superfluous Man
01-15-2018, 02:58 PM
My goodness. Instead of offering absurd personal opinions of what should be, try to base your opinions within our Constitution's boundaries.

I didn't say anything about my personal opinions. Moral right and wrong is not a matter of opinion.

If you want to get into constitutionality, then that doesn't help you, since the Constitution does not authorize the federal government to regulate immigration, and for the first century after it was ratified, nobody ever dreamed that it did.

But even if it did, that wouldn't matter. It would just mean the Constitution was wrong about that, since it would authorize something unjust, and an unjust law is no law at all. Just as unconstitutional laws are void, so are unjust laws. We the people don't have the moral right to delegate to the federal government any powers that we don't already possess according to the higher law of justice itself.

Here are a couple great quotes from two different 19th century works on the relationship between justice and the laws and acts of human governments that are well worth the read.

First, from Spooner's letter to Grover Cleveland:

Let me then remind you that justice is an immutable, natural principle; and not anything that can be made, unmade, or altered by any human power.
It is also a subject of science, and is to be learned, like mathematics, or any other science. It does not derive its authority from the commands, will, pleasure, or discretion of any possible combination of men, whether calling themselves a government, or by any other name.

It is also, at all times, and in all places, the supreme law. And being everywhere and always the supreme law, it is necessarily everywhere and always the only law.
Lawmakers, as they call themselves, can add nothing to it, nor take anything from it. Therefore all their laws, as they call them,—that is, all the laws of their own making,—have no color of authority or obligation. It is a falsehood to call them laws; for there is nothing in them that either creates men’s duties or rights, or enlightens them as to their duties or rights. There is consequently nothing binding or obligatory about them. And nobody is bound to take the least notice of them, unless it be to trample them under foot, as usurpations. If they command men to do justice, they add nothing to men’s obligation to do it, or to any man’s right to enforce it. They are therefore mere idle wind, such as would be commands to consider the day as day, and the night as night. If they command or license any man to do injustice, they are criminal on their face. If they command any man to do anything which justice does not require him to do, they are simple, naked usurpations and tyrannies. If they forbid any man to do anything, which justice would permit him to do, they are criminal invasions of his natural and rightful liberty. In whatever light, therefore, they are viewed, they are utterly destitute of everything like authority or obligation. They are all necessarily either the impudent, fraudulent, and criminal usurpations of tyrants, robbers, and murderers, or the senseless work of ignorant or thoughtless men, who do not know, or certainly do not realize, what they are doing.

This science of justice, or natural law, is the only science that tells us what are, and what are not, each man’s natural, inherent, inalienable, individual rights, as against any and all other men. And to say that any, or all, other men may rightfully compel him to obey any or all such other laws as they may see fit to make, is to say that he has no rights of his own, but is their subject, their property, and their slave.

For the reasons now given, the simple maintenance of justice, or natural law, is plainly the one only purpose for which any coercive power—or anything bearing the name of government—has a right to exist.

It is intrinsically just as false, absurd, ludicrous, and ridiculous to say that lawmakers, so-called, can invent and make any laws, of their own, authoritatively fixing, or declaring, the rights of individuals, or that shall be in any manner authoritative or obligatory upon individuals, or that individuals may rightfully be compelled to obey, as it would be to say that they can invent and make such mathematics, chemistry, physiology, or other sciences, as they see fit, and rightfully compel individuals to conform all their actions to them, instead of conforming them to the mathematics, chemistry, physiology, or other sciences of nature.

Lawmakers, as they call themselves, might just as well claim the right to abolish, by statute, the natural law of gravitation, the natural laws of light, heat, and electricity, and all the other natural laws of matter and mind, and institute laws of their own in the place of them, and compel conformity to them, as to claim the right to set aside the natural law of justice, and compel obedience to such other laws as they may see fit to manufacture, and set up in its stead.

Let me now ask you how you imagine that your so-called lawmakers can “do equal and exact justice to all men,” by any so-called laws of their own making. If their laws command anything but justice, or forbid anything but injustice, they are themselves unjust and criminal. If they simply command justice, and forbid injustice, they add nothing to the natural authority of justice, or to men’s obligation to obey it. It is, therefore, a simple impertinence, and sheer impudence, on their part, to assume that their commands, as such, are of any authority whatever. It is also sheer impudence, on their part, to assume that their commands are at all necessary to teach other men what is, and what is not, justice. The science of justice is as open to be learned by all other men, as by themselves; and it is, in general, so simple and easy to be learned, that there is no need of, and no place for, any man, or body of men, to teach it, declare it, or command it, on their own authority.
http://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/spooner-a-letter-to-grover-cleveland-1886

And now, from a speech by Frederick Douglass given in 1869 on the question of Chinese immigration:

There are such things in the world as human rights. They rest upon no conventional foundation, but are external, universal, and indestructible. Among these, is the right of locomotion; the right of migration; the right which belongs to no particular race, but belongs alike to all and to all alike. It is the right you assert by staying here, and your fathers asserted by coming here. It is this great right that I assert for the Chinese and Japanese, and for all other varieties of men equally with yourselves, now and forever. I know of no rights of race superior to the rights of humanity, and when there is a supposed conflict between human and national rights, it is safe to go to the side of humanity. I have great respect for the blue eyed and light haired races of America. They are a mighty people. In any struggle for the good things of this world they need have no fear. They have no need to doubt that they will get their full share.

But I reject the arrogant and scornful theory by which they would limit migratory rights, or any other essential human rights to themselves, and which would make them the owners of this great continent to the exclusion of all other races of men.

I want a home here not only for the negro, the mulatto and the Latin races; but I want the Asiatic to find a home here in the United States, and feel at home here, both for his sake and for ours. Right wrongs no man. If respect is had to majorities, the fact that only one fifth of the population of the globe is white, the other four fifths are colored, ought to have some weight and influence in disposing of this and similar questions. It would be a sad reflection upon the laws of nature and upon the idea of justice, to say nothing of a common Creator, if four fifths of mankind were deprived of the rights of migration to make room for the one fifth. If the white race may exclude all other races from this continent, it may rightfully do the same in respect to all other lands, islands, capes and continents, and thus have all the world to itself. Thus what would seem to belong to the whole, would become the property only of a part. So much for what is right, now let us see what is wise.
http://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/spooner-a-letter-to-grover-cleveland-1886

Both writings are excellent. And I urge everyone to read them in their entirety.

johnwk
01-15-2018, 03:13 PM
My goodness. Instead of offering absurd personal opinions of what should be, try to base your opinions within our Constitution's boundaries. Whether you like it or not, our federal government is charged with protecting our borders against "invasions". And that would include the flood of foreigners who are entering our country in violation of our laws. Got it?


JWK





American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of $#@!-hole countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.






I didn't say anything about my personal opinions. Moral right and wrong is not a matter of opinion.



You expressed an opinion concerning a geographical area called the United States of America, and your personal opinion conflicts with the right of the people of the United States to exercise power over that geographical area and determine who may, or who may not, enter thereon.


Give it a freaken break. No sane person agrees with your outlandish opinions.

Finally, contrary to your absurd opinion, our constitution does in fact charge Congress with protecting our borders from "invasions". At least read the Constitution before making false claims about it.


JWK



There was a time not too long ago in New York when the able-bodied were ashamed to accept home relief, a program created by Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1931 when he was Governor. Now, New York City and many other major cities are infested with countless government cheese factions from $#@! hole countries, who not only demand welfare, but use it to buy beer, wine, drugs, sex, and Lotto tickets.

Superfluous Man
01-15-2018, 03:15 PM
You expressed an opinion concerning a geographical area called the United States of America

I'm pretty sure I didn't.

Maybe you're confusing me with someone else.

johnwk
01-15-2018, 03:21 PM
I'm pretty sure I didn't.

Maybe you're confusing me with someone else.

:rolleyes:

You wrote: "You have the right to keep them off of your own privately owned property. But you have no right to keep them off of any property that is not rightfully yours, such as the workplace of an employer who wants to hire them.

You may not want to welcome them. But when others of us want to, it's none of your, or Trump's, business."


Contrary to your absurd opinion, the people of the United States granted power to our federal government to protect America's borders from invasions. Are you about to suggest 10 - 20 million foreigners entering the United States in violation of its laws is not an invasion?

What part of your anatomy do you think with?


JWK

Superfluous Man
01-15-2018, 03:34 PM
You wrote: [I]"You have the right to keep them off of your own privately owned property. But you have no right to keep them off of any property that is not rightfully yours, such as the workplace of an employer who wants to hire them.


That's true. But that's not a matter of opinion, nor is it about the USA. That's a statement about a moral fact that has always and everywhere obtained, both inside and outside the USA, both before and after it came into existence.

And if you do wish to relate that claim specifically to the USA, and the Constitution, per your previous claims, clearly, prohibiting employers from employing immigrants without green cards is not repelling invasion. Nor did anybody dream of expanding federal power by redefining that clause of the Constitution that way for the first century of the nation's existence.

You also said nobody agreed with me. Well, with respect to the words you quoted, the guy this website is named after agrees with me. And it's safe to say, so do most people who align with his voluntarist political philosophy.

johnwk
01-15-2018, 05:24 PM
:rolleyes:

You wrote: "You have the right to keep them off of your own privately owned property. But you have no right to keep them off of any property that is not rightfully yours, such as the workplace of an employer who wants to hire them.

You may not want to welcome them. But when others of us want to, it's none of your, or Trump's, business."


Contrary to your absurd opinion, the people of the United States granted power to our federal government to protect America's borders from invasions. Are you about to suggest 10 - 20 million foreigners entering the United States in violation of its laws is not an invasion?

What part of your anatomy do you think with?


JWK


That's true.

I always do my best to be truthful.

JWK

AZJoe
01-15-2018, 09:46 PM
https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26231804_1702730163103845_6455021374148656154_n.pn g?oh=2cf7b736e54be1fb3e70eb0775c512ab&oe=5AB1C178

juleswin
01-16-2018, 06:00 AM
The root cause of the problem is people on welfare voting for more welfare. They should not be allowed to vote. That would fix the whole immigration "problem".

If the problem is people coming to the US because there are more opportunities to prosper than where they live, then not even that will fix the problem. The only fix for that is for the US to have less opportunity to prosper than where they are coming from and then people will stop coming.

timosman
01-16-2018, 06:11 AM
If the problem is people coming to the US because there are more opportunities to prosper than where they live, then not even that will fix the problem. The only fix for that is for the US to have less opportunity to prosper than where they are coming from and then people will stop coming.

Brilliant.

juleswin
01-16-2018, 06:19 AM
Brilliant.

Indeed :)

timosman
01-16-2018, 06:27 AM
Indeed :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLbHqxVVAAAXEZD.jpg

juleswin
01-16-2018, 06:34 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLbHqxVVAAAXEZD.jpg

Indeed :)

johnwk
01-16-2018, 07:05 AM
That's true. But that's not a matter of opinion, nor is it about the USA. That's a statement about a moral fact ...

only in your anarchist mind...:rolleyes:

AZJoe
01-16-2018, 08:21 AM
If the problem is people coming to the US because there are more opportunities to prosper than where they live, then not even that will fix the problem. The only fix for that is for the US to have less opportunity to prosper than where they are coming from and then people will stop coming.

That's a silly false statement. That is the "fix" the power elite seem to be striving for.
However, there are several other fixes. Like increasing opportunity and prosperity "where they are coming from." Perhaps by increasing free trade, removing trade barriers, exporting capitalism and the ideas of freedom to the rest of the world, and setting a better example.
There there is the option of eliminating statist magnets of government benefits.
Then there are national self protection fixes like vetting immigrants, limiting or controlling the rate, securing borders.
There are thousands of other options, some better and some more statist, but these are just a few that illustrate the possibilities beyond the closed minded tunnel fallacy that there is only one option, and it must necessarily be the stupid option to strive to destroy prosperity no less.

Madison320
01-16-2018, 09:49 AM
If the problem is people coming to the US because there are more opportunities to prosper than where they live, then not even that will fix the problem. The only fix for that is for the US to have less opportunity to prosper than where they are coming from and then people will stop coming.

The problem is not immigration, it's socialism. One fix would be to stop welfare recipients from voting.

I actually think illegal immigrants are a net positive, because they can't get many benefits and they can't vote. It's their legal children that are the problem.

Anti Federalist
01-16-2018, 11:09 AM
but most are independent operators who empty into drainage canals in violation of the law, creating ideal conditions for the spread of cholera and other diseases.

Progressives and Bolsheviks love to whine about how the "right" is anti-science and anti-intellectual.

Yet they think that a people who still don't understand, in the 21st century, that you don't throw, literal, shit in your water supply somehow bring something to the table in terms of immigration.

Swordsmyth
01-16-2018, 01:36 PM
If the problem is people coming to the US because there are more opportunities to prosper than where they live, then not even that will fix the problem. The only fix for that is for the US to have less opportunity to prosper than where they are coming from and then people will stop coming.

And you have just proven my position correct: Liberty creates prosperity and prosperity attracts leeches, then leeches destroy liberty and prosperity, therefore if you want liberty you must control immigration to limit the leeches.

Swordsmyth
01-16-2018, 01:39 PM
I actually think illegal immigrants are a net positive, because they can't get many benefits and they can't vote. It's their legal children that are the problem.

They do BOTH whether it is legal or not.

Madison320
01-16-2018, 02:15 PM
They do BOTH whether it is legal or not.

I'm sure some do but I doubt it's a very high percentage. Remember, cheap labor benefits everyone except possibly the person doing the work.

Madison320
01-16-2018, 02:17 PM
And you have just proven my position correct: Liberty creates prosperity and prosperity attracts leeches, then leeches destroy liberty and prosperity, therefore if you want liberty you must control immigration to limit the leeches.

The problem is that the vast majority of leeches are already here!

Swordsmyth
01-16-2018, 02:20 PM
The problem is that the vast majority of leeches are already here!

Hardly, the world is full of countries with a much higher percentage.

In any case our proportion gets worse with each one we let in, and our hopes of improving our culture and government get worse as well.

Swordsmyth
01-16-2018, 02:21 PM
I'm sure some do but I doubt it's a very high percentage. Remember, cheap labor benefits everyone except possibly the person doing the work.

Since most of us are in the employee class and almost all of us will spend our entire lives there (doubly so because of big government which immigration makes worse) then it is bad.

timosman
01-16-2018, 02:30 PM
Hardly, the world is full of countries with a much higher percentage.

In any case our proportion gets worse with each one we let in, and our hopes of improving our culture and government get worse as well.

You have no right to improve your culture. Your mandate is to make sure every person on the planet lives in conditions at least equal to yours. This is true despite your government efforts to the contrary - bombing and toppling governments around the world . Get busy making the world a better place, comrade.:cool:

Madison320
01-16-2018, 02:40 PM
Since most of us are in the employee class and almost all of us will spend our entire lives there (doubly so because of big government which immigration makes worse) then it is bad.

No, that's flawed Keynesian logic. Suppose you live on a desert island with a few hundred people and some goofy guy washes up onshore. He grows his own food and catches his own fish and works for free because he likes it. the Austrian economist understands that his free labor benefits everyone on the island because now stuff is cheaper, the Keynesian economist mistakenly claims it's a negative because his free labor is displacing paid workers.

timosman
01-16-2018, 02:44 PM
No, that's flawed Keynesian logic. Suppose you live on a desert island with a few hundred people and some goofy guy washes up onshore. He grows his own food and catches his own fish and works for free because he likes it. the Austrian economist understands that his free labor benefits everyone on the island because now stuff is cheaper, the Keynesian economist mistakenly claims it's a negative because his free labor is displacing paid workers.

In order to be closer to reality please change the scenario to a few thousand goofy guys washing up onshore.

Madison320
01-16-2018, 02:45 PM
Hardly, the world is full of countries with a much higher percentage.

In any case our proportion gets worse with each one we let in, and our hopes of improving our culture and government get worse as well.

I agree but I think it's only a tiny part of the problem and even if we were able to completely prevent everyone from entering we'd still be on the same path to socialism, maybe we'd delay it by 1% or so.

Madison320
01-16-2018, 02:48 PM
In order to be closer to reality please change the scenario to a few thousand goofy guys washing up onshore.

LOL!

My strategy is to save money on Chinese products and spend the savings at Mexican restaurants.

timosman
01-16-2018, 02:51 PM
My strategy is to save money on Chinese products and spend the savings at Mexican restaurants.

Sounds like a winning strategy for a pushover.:cool:

Madison320
01-16-2018, 02:54 PM
Sounds like a winning strategy for a pushover.:cool:

I forgot to mention my Japanese car. It leaves me lots of free time to fish.

Swordsmyth
01-16-2018, 03:23 PM
No, that's flawed Keynesian logic. Suppose you live on a desert island with a few hundred people and some goofy guy washes up onshore. He grows his own food and catches his own fish and works for free because he likes it. the Austrian economist understands that his free labor benefits everyone on the island because now stuff is cheaper, the Keynesian economist mistakenly claims it's a negative because his free labor is displacing paid workers.


In order to be closer to reality please change the scenario to a few thousand goofy guys washing up onshore.

And remember that there is only so much arable land on the island and that we were working it before the invasion.

Madison320
01-16-2018, 03:33 PM
And remember that there is only so much arable land on the island and that we were working it before the invasion.

There are lots of other reasons why immigrants can lower our standard of living but working for less is NOT one of them. This is a libertarian no brainer.

And it really bothers me that many here think we have a right to a high paying job and employers have an obligation to provide us with it.

Meanwhile there's yet another thread on police shootings.

timosman
01-16-2018, 03:38 PM
There are lots of other reasons why immigrants can lower our standard of living but working for less is NOT one of them. This is a libertarian no brainer.

I agree. Only somebody with no brain would say that.:cool:

enhanced_deficit
01-16-2018, 05:45 PM
WH is strongly denying that alleged s-word statement by POTUS derailed gov shutdown talks:

White House: Trump remarks didn't derail shutdown talks

9 hours ago - White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders blamed Democrats for the stalled talks. ... The DACA negotiations have been tied to spending talks, which have also hit a snag following Trump’s comments saying certain immigrants were coming from "shithole countries."
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/369101-wh-dems-using-shithole-comment-as-excuse-to-not-reach-daca-deal



Related

"Shutdown is the new 's-word' ", gov shutdown looms as deadline is only 4 days away (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?518512-quot-Shutdown-is-the-new-s-word-quot-gov-shutdown-looms-as-deadline-is-only-4-days-away&)

Swordsmyth
01-17-2018, 01:31 AM
Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen testified Tuesday that she did not hear President Donald Trump refer to African nations as “shithole” countries — remarks he reportedly made last week that triggered an international uproar and roiled ongoing immigration talks on Capitol Hill.

More at: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/16/trump-shithole-dhs-secretary-kirstjen-nielsen-testify-341179

Swordsmyth
01-17-2018, 01:33 AM
Earlier,Leahy also pressed Nielsen on Trump’s reported remark that he would like more immigrants from Norway, rather than from Africa and Haiti. Nielsen responded: “I don’t believe he said that specifically.”

undergroundrr
01-17-2018, 10:25 AM
No, that's flawed Keynesian logic. Suppose you live on a desert island with a few hundred people and some goofy guy washes up onshore. He grows his own food and catches his own fish and works for free because he likes it. the Austrian economist understands that his free labor benefits everyone on the island because now stuff is cheaper, the Keynesian economist mistakenly claims it's a negative because his free labor is displacing paid workers.

Labor restriction is scarcity economics.

Superfluous Man
01-17-2018, 10:41 AM
There are lots of other reasons why immigrants can lower our standard of living but working for less is NOT one of them. This is a libertarian no brainer.


That this is considered debatable here at a site with the mission this one has, and that those who come here and claim cheap foreign labor is economically bad don't even realize they're trolling, is unfortunate.

undergroundrr
01-17-2018, 10:44 AM
That this is considered debatable here at a site with the mission this one has, and that those who come here and claim cheap foreign labor is economically bad don't even realize they're trolling, is unfortunate.

Keynesians telling us we shouldn't let socialists into the country. Unless they're socialists from affluent nations of course.