Newsweek: 'Trump Impeachment Odds Rise After Explosive 'Fire and Fury' Book Revelations'

[enhanced_deficit]

Something strange the way this 'Fire and Fury' book almost instantly has got thousands of 5 star reviews and became instant top seller on amazon and various lists. Could some 'Deep' stage entity be supporting such sucessful release of this book? Can't be just last FBI Dir Comey's biblical inspirations.

Have not read the book, not sure how much of this is hyperbole. From recent temperature of news/views, IMO at least politically GOP 2018 electioning prospects could face greater risk from Trump's humiliation of GOP base celeberated conservative, military veteran Steve Bannon than other stuff.

http://image.nola.com/home/nola-media/width600/img/opinions_impact/photo/donald-trump-michael-flynn-steve-bannon-93cd822f7d33e1ca.jpg

Trump claims ‘Sloppy Steve’ Bannon ‘cried when he got fired’ (https://nypost.com/2018/01/06/trump-claims-sloppy-steve-bannon-cried-when-he-got-fired/)
January 6, 2018
“He used Sloppy Steve Bannon, who cried when he got fired and begged for his job. Now Sloppy Steve has been dumped like a dog by almost everyone. Too bad!”



Trump Impeachment Odds Rise After Explosive 'Fire and Fury' Book Revelations

By Sam Schwarz On 1/5/18

"With the simmering tension between Donald Trump and Kim Jong Un, it seems like the president should be worrying about threats closer to home, with odds of an impeachment during his first term shortening to 4-7, a probability of 63.6 percent," Brice told Newsweek.

In betting terms, the shortening of odds means something is more likely to occur.
What should be even more alarming to the White House, according to Brice, is the shortening of odds for a Trump impeachment this year.

http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-impeachment-fire-and-fury-772217






Related

Book: 'Ivanka is terrified', Trump boasts his son-in-law knows all the 'crooks' in Israel (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?518210-Book-Ivanka-is-terrified-Trump-boasts-his-son-in-law-knows-all-the-crooks-in-Israel&)

Trump: Steve Bannon "lost his mind" (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?518147-Trump-Steve-Bannon-quot-lost-his-mind-quot&)

Bannon rips Romney (and his sons) for lack of military service (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/bannon-s-enemies-list-mcconnell-flake-romney-even-his-kids-n826896)
Dec 6, 2017

[r3volution 3.0]

Something strange the way this 'Fire and Fury' book almost instantly has got thousands of 5 star reviews and became instant top seller on amazon and various lists. Could some 'Deep' stage entity be supporting such sucessful release of this book? Can't be just last FBI Dir Comey's biblical inspirations.

Simpler explanation: a huge number of Americans deeply loathe Trump and are eager to read about his failings.

[Brian4Liberty]

Something strange the way this 'Fire and Fury' book almost instantly has got thousands of 5 star reviews and became instant top seller on amazon and various lists. Could some 'Deep' stage entity be supporting such sucessful release of this book?

Trump derangement syndrome.

The Russia collusion gambit failed, so now it's the "Trump is crazy and suffering from dementia" back-up plan.

Trump is happy to oblige, as his mentality was formed and solidified as a middle school kid in New York. Nothing new, but certainly something that the left can work themselves into mass hysteria over.

[Vieux Canard]

Simpler explanation: a huge number of Americans deeply loathe Trump and are eager to read about his failings.

And I'm one of them. I really don't see a downside. No Trump and temporary government paralysis. Sounds great to me. Impeachment can't come too soon. Let the games begin.

[Raginfridus]

How do so many people read a book about Trump? I tried reading Art of The Deal With It, but I couldn't force myself.

[pcosmar]

And I'm one of them. I really don't see a downside. No Trump and temporary government paralysis. Sounds great to me. Impeachment can't come too soon. Let the games begin.

how did the Obama Impeachment go?

[r3volution 3.0]

And I'm one of them. I really don't see a downside. No Trump and temporary government paralysis. Sounds great to me. Impeachment can't come too soon. Let the games begin.

Once the used copies are available for a pittance, I'll probably pick one up.

As for impeachment, there is one major downside: it would martyrize Trump in the eyes of his followers. Better a failed reelection bid, IMO.


How do so many people read a book about Trump? I tried reading Art of The Deal With It, but I couldn't force myself.

Political books written when their subjects (or their enemies) are still alive tend to be pretty bad, but this one looks interesting.

[kahless]

Trump derangement syndrome.

The Russia collusion gambit failed, so now it's the "Trump is crazy and suffering from dementia" back-up plan.

Trump is happy to oblige, as his mentality was formed and solidified as a middle school kid in New York. Nothing new, but certainly something that the left can work themselves into mass hysteria over.

I somewhat agree. But it is not so much the book it is his behavior after the book and his public handling of Bannon when he should just shut his damn mouth. It is getting to a point where it really is wtf is wrong with him mentally more than believing it is schtick or as a way of taking on or overriding the fake media or what you describe.

It is like Trump, you won, STFU, get off twitter, show some class and do the damn job.

He is the lone possibility at this point of standing against the globalist establishment. Once he is gone it is Pence whom is far worse in policy but it is a risky gamble given Trump's behavior.

[Brian4Liberty]

I somewhat agree. But it is not so much the book it is his behavior after the book and his public handling of Bannon when he should just shut his damn mouth. It is getting to a point where it really is wtf is wrong with him mentally more than believing it is schtick or as a way of taking on or overriding the fake media or what you describe.

It is like Trump, you won, STFU, get off twitter, show some class and do the damn job.

He is the lone possibility at this point of standing against the globalist establishment. Once he is gone it is Pence whom is far worse in policy but it is a risky gamble given Trump's behavior.

That's what I meant by New York middle school mentality. It's all about acting tough, instantly attacking back at all times in a juvenille way. Some would say he is playing 36dd chess. More likely it's just his natural way of behaving. Either way, it has worked out for him, so he will continue doing it.

But that is mostly reality TV mentality. What actually happens is what's important. Is it policy that Ron Paul would recommend? Mostly not. It is right of center though, and we are getting the policies of Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan, as opposed to getting the policies of Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi. Trump just wants to "win", he doesn't care about details.

[Raginfridus]

Political books written when their subjects (or their enemies) are still alive tend to be pretty bad, but this one looks interesting.They're under $20 used at amazon. If he's nothing like his 30 yrs in the limelight and tweets imply, let us know.

[r3volution 3.0]

They're under $20 used at amazon. If he's nothing like his 30 yrs in the limelight and tweets imply, let us know.

It'll be <$1 in a few months.

[Raginfridus]

Probably, if not free.

I wonder if a hit piece about a nice Trump would damage his rep more. What if the guy's super calm under pressure, plays with his son after dinner, knows everybody by their first names, drinks a beer with the servants every now and then... Would that kill his image? (Extra pussy grabbing for damage control.)

[r3volution 3.0]

Probably, if not free.

I wonder if a hit piece about a nice Trump would damage his rep more. What if the guy's super calm under pressure, plays with his son after dinner, knows everybody by their first names, drinks a beer with the servants every now and then... Would that kill his image? (Extra pussy grabbing for damage control.)

Maybe if it came out that he likes to watch while Jeb! bangs his wife

[UWDude]

"With the simmering tension between Donald Trump and Kim Jong Un, it seems like the president should be worrying about threats closer to home, with odds of an impeachment during his first term shortening to 4-7, a probability of 63.6 percent," Brice told Newsweek.



Is that 63.6% higher, or lower than the chances of Hillary winning?

[Weston White]

In this explosive book, Wolff provides a wealth of new details about the chaos in the Oval Office. Among the revelations:
-- What President Trump’s staff really thinks of him
-- What inspired Trump to claim he was wire-tapped by President Obama
-- Why FBI director James Comey was really fired
-- Why chief strategist Steve Bannon and Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner couldn’t be in the same room
-- Who is really directing the Trump administration’s strategy in the wake of Bannon’s firing
-- What the secret to communicating with Trump is
-- What the Trump administration has in common with the movie The Producers

Never before has a presidency so divided the American people. Brilliantly reported and astoundingly fresh, Michael Wolff’s Fire and Fury shows us how and why Donald Trump has become the king of discord and disunion.

I am sorry, but really, who really gives two-deuces about any of this? Two words: disgruntled ex-employees?

Also, not a Trump fan myself, but how exactly has he "divided the American people", it is clearly the case that the DNC is responsible for this.

[Jan2017]

http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-impeachment-fire-and-fury-772217


Both Ireland-based gambling company Paddy Power and New Zealand–based prediction market PredictIt have increased the likelihood of Trump being impeached
before his term ends at the beginning of 2021.

The oddsmakers at PredictIt, which handles its betting differently than Paddy Power does, are a bit more bullish on Trump's chances of avoiding impeachment
and remaining president through the end of his first term. Still, its odds have also shortened over the past couple of days.
"There's a 37% chance @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) will be impeached."

When PredictIt’s markets opened on January 2, the day the first excerpts from Wolff's book were released, you could make a 33-cent bet on Trump being impeached in his first term, putting PredictIt’s odds at approximately 2-to-1.
On January 4, that number rose as high as 39 cents before plateauing at its current price of 37 cents (https://www.predictit.org/Contract/7419/Will-Donald-Trump-be-impeached-in-his-first-term#data).


Is that 63.6% higher, or lower than the chances of Hillary winning?

https://s19.postimg.org/d1qd01w0j/hillary.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/e40jiletr/)

[ILUVRP]

I somewhat agree. But it is not so much the book it is his behavior after the book and his public handling of Bannon when he should just shut his damn mouth. It is getting to a point where it really is wtf is wrong with him mentally more than believing it is schtick or as a way of taking on or overriding the fake media or what you describe.

It is like Trump, you won, STFU, get off twitter, show some class and do the damn job.

He is the lone possibility at this point of standing against the globalist establishment. Once he is gone it is Pence whom is far worse in policy but it is a risky gamble given Trump's behavior.

i agree with everything said above , pence would be a rotten potus .

[enhanced_deficit]

The impeachment odds and coverage seem exaggerated, however some political risks from charges like 'money laundering' (as Bannon has claimed) with widening net that the 'Russiagate turned Israelgate' scandal has brought to WH inner circle could be real.


Jared Kushner and Donald Trump Jr. Could Go to Jail for Money Laundering If Steve Bannon Is Right

By Nicole Goodkind On 1/4/18

Former top White House adviser Steve Bannon has said that both Jared Kushner and Donald Trump Jr. likely laundered money over the course of their careers—and possibly during their time on the campaign trail and at the White House.
Bannon made the assertion and many others during interviews for a new book by Michael Wolff, a journalist who was granted access to the White House. President Donald Trump and Bannon have been duking it out in the public eye since excerpts from the book, Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House, were published Wednesday, and Washington remains transfixed.
Bannon reportedly told Wolff that Trump Jr.’s meeting with a Russian lawyer in Trump Tower during the 2016 election campaign was “treasonous” and “unpatriotic.” Bannon also said that the investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller into possible Trump campaign ties to Russia is particularly dangerous to the Trump clan because it focuses on more than just that allegation. He noted that Trump Jr. and Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and White House adviser, were the targets of a money-laundering probe.

“You realize where this is going,” Bannon is quoted as saying. “This is all about money laundering. Mueller chose [senior prosecutor Andrew] Weissmann (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/31/us/politics/andrew-weissmann-mueller.html) first and he is a money-laundering guy. Their path to fucking Trump goes right through [former Trump campaign manager] Paul Manafort, Don Jr. and Jared Kushner. It’s as plain as a hair on your face.”

Bannon added, "It goes through Deutsche Bank and all the Kushner shit. The Kushner shit is greasy. They’re going to go right through that."
In an op-ed published Tuesday, the founders of the research and strategic intelligence company that produced the 35-page Donald Trump-Russia dossier—a document that is the subject of multiple investigations—asked congressional investigators to "look into the bank records of Deutsche Bank and others that were funding Mr. Trump's businesses."

Fusion GPS co-founders Glenn Simpson and Peter Fritsch wrote that they “found widespread evidence that Mr. Trump and his organization had worked with a wide array of dubious Russians in arrangements that often raised questions about money laundering.”
Deutsche Bank has loaned billions of dollars to Trump, and he owes the bank about $300 million, according to Bloomberg.


http://www.newsweek.com/jared-kushner-donald-trump-jr-steve-bannon-michael-wolff-money-laundering-771166



A top Democrat wants Steve Bannon to testify about claims he made in an explosive new book (https://www.vox.com/2018/1/4/16851530/steve-bannon-book-quotes-warner-interview)

Sen. Mark Warner, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, wants to hear what Bannon may have to say.

By Alex Ward Jan 4, 2018
Sen. Mark Warner (VA), the ranking Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, wants former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon to speak with federal investigators about Bannon’s recent claim that the president and some of his close advisers may have laundered money.
“If he’s got facts on [money laundering], I or a special prosecutor ought to hear them,” Warner told me in an interview Thursday.

The comments attributed to Bannon were revealed in excerpts (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/03/donald-trump-russia-steve-bannon-michael-wolff) from Michael Wolff’s provocative new book (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/4/16845640/michael-wolff-trump-book) Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House. In the book, Bannon scoffs at the idea that special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation will end soon, as Trump’s lawyers continually tell (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/29/16829498/trump-russia-mueller-investigation-nyt) him.
“This is all about money laundering. Mueller chose [senior prosecutor Andrew] Weissmann first and he is a money-laundering guy. Their path to fucking Trump goes right through [former Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort, [Trump’s son] Don Jr and [Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser] Jared Kushner,” Bannon is quoted as saying (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/03/donald-trump-russia-steve-bannon-michael-wolff). “It’s as plain as a hair on your face.”

Warner, whose committee is conducting its own investigation into possible collusion between the Trump campaign — would like Bannon to explain to him what exactly he knows about this money laundering business. (Meanwhile, Senate Intelligence Committee chair Richard Burr has said he doesn’t think (http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/04/politics/bannon-house-senate-intelligence/index.html) his committee needs to chat with Bannon.)
But perhaps even more importantly, Warner also wants Bannon to talk to federal prosecutors working with Mueller. And unlike the Senate committee investigation, Mueller’s team can actually charge people in Trump’s inner circle with crimes. Mueller already indicted (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/30/16571050/what-we-know-manafort-gates-papadopoulos) four members of Trump’s campaign — including Paul Manafort — and two of them pleaded guilty (https://www.vox.com/2017/12/1/16706534/michael-flynn-fbi-charged-deal).





GOP strategist: Republicans will impeach Trump “if they get wiped out” in 2018 (https://www.salon.com/2018/01/04/gop-strategist-republicans-will-impeach-trump-if-they-get-wiped-out-in-2018/)

“When does the Republican Party turn? When they get wiped out. That’s what happens.”

Charlie May 01.04.2018
The 2018 midterm elections are pivotal, in the sense that the results will dictate whether or not the Republican Party will stand strongly behind President Donald Trump moving forward, according to one Republican strategist and former Senate aide.

On MSNBC's "Morning Joe," Rick Tyler — a GOP strategist and former aide to Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas — predicted (video here (https://shareblue.com/gop-strategist-republicans-will-help-impeach-trump-when-they-get-wiped-out-in-2018/#.Wk4y4p2CgBA.twitter)) that the party would split from Trump if it suffers a setback in 2018.

"When does the Republican Party turn? When they get wiped out. That's what happens. If they get wiped out in [2018], the Republicans will absolutely turn on Donald Trump," Tyler argued.

Tyler also floated the idea that impeachment is still a plausible option the Republicans can pursue, and would, if 2018 proved to be a failure for the party.





I am sorry, but really, who really gives two-deuces about any of this?

Apparently current POTUS did unless this is fakenews:

Can Trump Stop Michael Wolff's 'Fire and Fury' From Being Published?

By Sam Schwarz On 1/4/18
Following the release of bombshell excerpts from a forthcoming book on Donald Trump's election campaign and the early days of his presidency, the president is siccing his lawyers on author Michael Wolff and publisher Henry Holt to try to prevent the book from being published.


Related: Top 20 revelations from Trump 'Fire and Fury' book about golden showers, Ivanka, Bannon and more (http://www.newsweek.com/top-20-revelations-trump-fire-and-fury-book-about-golden-showers-ivanka-bannon-769899)
The tell-all, Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House, is set to be published January 10.


The Washington Post reported Thursday (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-slams-bannon-when-he-was-fired-he-not-only-lost-his-job-he-lost-his-mind/2018/01/03/21fb158a-f0aa-11e7-b3bf-ab90a706e175_story.html?utm_term=.703a06ebc11d) morning that lawyer Charles Harder, representing the president, sent a letter to Henry Holt demanding that it "immediately cease and desist from any further publication, release or dissemination of the book" and that it apologize to Trump.

The letter also calls for the immediate termination of the publication of any excerpts from the book. Thus far, extended excerpts have been published in New York magazine and The Hollywood Reporter. The letter was addressed directly to Wolff and the president of the publishing company.

The letter came just one day after Trump's lawyers sent a similar missive (http://www.newsweek.com/trumps-threat-lawsuit-against-bannon-stupid-and-could-hurt-president-says-770251) to former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon, the source of many of the bombshell quotes in excerpts released Wednesday. The letter to Bannon accused him of "defamation by libel and slander, and breach of his written confidentiality and non-disparagement agreement." The letter also claimed that legal action was "imminent."

http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-michael-wolff-fire-and-fury-770714

[pcosmar]

Odds are,, these bets are never paid off by the losers.

[Brian4Liberty]

The impeachment odds and coverage seem exaggerated, however some political risks from charges like 'money laundering' (as Bannon has claimed) with widening net that the 'Russiagate turned Israelgate' scandal has brought to WH inner circle could be real.

I believe everything said by Bannon about money laundering is opinion, not evidence or inside knowledge. No better than any other person giving their opinion.

His opinions may be correct, especially with regard to the special prosecutors going after financial crimes rather than the stated purpose of the investigation. They can indict a ham sandwich after all. He probably has no inside knowledge about previous financial dealings though. Nothing worthy of testimony or evidence.

[Brian4Liberty]

Odds are,, these bets are never paid off by the losers.

Wishful thinking by the media. If they push a lie long and hard, they hope they can make it reality.


Newsweek: 'Trump Impeachment Odds Rise After Explosive 'Fire and Fury' Book Revelations'

[Working Poor]

I don't really like Trump but I don't care if he remains in office or get impeached. To me it all seems like a distraction.

[enhanced_deficit]

I believe everything said by Bannon about money laundering is opinion, not evidence or inside knowledge. No better than any other person giving their opinion.

His opinions may be correct, especially with regard to the special prosecutors going after financial crimes rather than the stated purpose of the investigation. They can indict a ham sandwich after all. He probably has no inside knowledge about previous financial dealings though. Nothing worthy of testimony or evidence.


Tend to agree with all of this, tone of Bannon's claim seems to be speculative. As is much of analysis so far.
Trump's political standing after upcoming deal making with Dems and intensity of grudges of likes of Flynn, Comey, Bannon would probably determine how Mueller net expands/closes in the end.

[enhanced_deficit]

I somewhat agree. But it is not so much the book it is his behavior after the book and his public handling of Bannon when he should just shut his damn mouth. It is getting to a point where it really is wtf is wrong with him mentally more than believing it is schtick or as a way of taking on or overriding the fake media or what you describe.

It is like Trump, you won, STFU, get off twitter, show some class and do the damn job.

He is the lone possibility at this point of standing against the globalist establishment. Once he is gone it is Pence whom is far worse in policy but it is a risky gamble given Trump's behavior.



To be fair, Trump has strongly defended his mental competence despite claims from book author that he has many audio tapes and that 100% of those around him saw as 'child', 'incompetent' etc.
That said, WH press sec Sarah Sanders claim that he defeated the 'most accomplished lineup of candidates' seems a bit of stretch. Winning election is also not necessarily a sign of mental competence.

[shakey1]

If Trump goes, you know who we'll be left with... (shudder).

[timosman]

Wishful thinking by the media. If they push a lie long and hard, they hope they can make it reality.

The stupidity of the media is mind boggling. :cool:

[Anti Federalist]

Simpler explanation: a huge number of Americans deeply loathe Trump and are eager to read about his failings.

Yup, it's really not much more than that.

Half the country are communists, on some sort of government dole, SJWs, weirdosexuals of every stripe in the rainbow and woemen who hate white men.

Trump derangement syndrome manifests itself by them hating Trump for stuff he hasn't done or said.

[CCTelander]

If Trump goes, you know who we'll be left with... (shudder).


Exactly. As much as I dislike Trump, Pence would be worse. Possibly much worse.

[nikcers]

Exactly. As much as I dislike Trump, Pence would be worse. Possibly much worse.
What if we just keep impeaching?

[goldenequity]

speaking of fire...

Trump Tower...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vy1lFtfbMQ


https://www.rt.com/usa/415266-trump-tower-fire-video/

[goldenequity]

What if we just keep impeaching?

Russian Market-@russian_market · 2 min.
OPRAH WINFREY IS SAID THINKING ABOUT PRESIDENTIAL BID: CNN

[shakey1]

What if we just keep impeaching?

Probably shoulda started that about 30 years ago... CONgress ain't got the balls for it anyway.

[CCTelander]

What if we just keep impeaching?


Dream on Brother.


In Trump's administration, here's the full line of succession.

Vice President Mike Pence
Speaker of the House Paul Ryan
Senate President Pro Tempore Orrin Hatch
Secretary of State Rex Tillerson
Secretary of the Treasury Steven Mnuchin
Secretary of Defense James Mattis
Attorney General Jeff Sessions
Secretary of the Interior Ryan Zinke
Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Perdue
Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross
Secretary of Labor Alexander Acosta
Secretary of Health and Human Services Tom Price
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Ben Carson
Secretary of Transportation Elaine Chao
Secretary of Energy Rick Perry
Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos
Secretary of Veterans Affairs David Shulkin
Secretary of Homeland Security John Kelly
The only caveat here is that Secretary of Transportation Elaine Chao isn't eligible since she was born in Taipei, Taiwan, and is therefore not a US-born citizen.

https://www.popsugar.com/news/What-Order-Succession-Presidency-43553023

Any of those look particularly appealing?

[Raginfridus]

speaking of fire...

Trump Tower...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vy1lFtfbMQ


https://www.rt.com/usa/415266-trump-tower-fire-video/
My money's on Buddhist monks.

[Brian4Liberty]

If Trump goes, you know who we'll be left with... (shudder).


Exactly. As much as I dislike Trump, Pence would be worse. Possibly much worse.

And Nikki Haley would be chosen as his VP...

[Valli6]

Russian Market-@russian_market · 2 min.
OPRAH WINFREY IS SAID THINKING ABOUT PRESIDENTIAL BID: CNN

(Daily Mail)

'Nobody will ever have to say Me Too again': Oprah reduces Golden Globes guests to tears with 'presidential' speech praising the women AND men leading Tinseltown's fightback from sex abuse scandals

Oprah Winfrey used her Golden Globe lifetime achievement speech to thank the women who have bravely shared their personal stories of abuse

Hollywood celebrities have to be the stupidest, phoniest, hypocrites on earth!
https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/TCeWvcSVX8BMXe3w3_MILOFY_Iw/fit-in/1024x1024/filters:format_auto-!!-:strip_icc-!!-/2014/03/03/071/n/3019466/289ca81e44ededf3_463109695/i/Oprah-gave-Harvey-Weinstein-kiss-cheek-Critics.jpg

[dannno]

And I'm one of them. I really don't see a downside. No Trump and temporary government paralysis. Sounds great to me. Impeachment can't come too soon. Let the games begin.

Yay let's cheer on the deep state!!

Uh, ok, how about not.

[Zippyjuan]

Impeaching Trump won't happen. It requires two thirds of Congress meaning a lot of Republicans would have to agree to do it besides all the Democrats.

[PierzStyx]

It is right of center though, and we are getting the policies of Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan, as opposed to getting the policies of Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi.

Because that is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooo much better.

[shakey1]

And Nikki Haley would be chosen as his VP...

:(:mad::eek:

[dannno]

Because that is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooo much better.

I wouldn't say soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better, but it is definitely better.

The problem with Bush was that he doubled the size of government and started several wars.

Trump has started zero wars, he has lowered taxes and decreased spending.

Is it your argument we would be better off with higher taxes and more spending and another war or two?

[goldenequity]

oops...

950419643604389888

[goldenequity]

on the Trump scoreboard...

950400494131965956

[Swordsmyth]

What if we just keep impeaching?

"WE" don't get to impeach and Congress will stop when they get Pence.

[euphemia]

And I'm one of them. I really don't see a downside. No Trump and temporary government paralysis. Sounds great to me. Impeachment can't come too soon. Let the games begin.

"I don't like you" is not grounds for impeachment.

[nikcers]

"I don't like you" is not grounds for impeachment.
We should declare the government a fraud and start over, anything else is just pretending to be free. How can we ever encourage free elections in other countries if we can't do it here, if we can't be an example for other countries to follow the whole world is just going to get worse. Glorious leader's greatest accomplishment is illegal immigration is down, because they don't want to come here, not because they are not wanted but because our country shit the bed.

[Anti Federalist]

"I don't like you" is not grounds for impeachment.

That is my question, and a serious one...

What is he alleged to have done that rises to an impeachable offense?

Being pissed off by "tweets" is not a cause for impeachment either, as far as I know.

[CCTelander]

I wouldn't say soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better, but it is definitely better.

The problem with Bush was that he doubled the size of government and started several wars.

Trump has started zero wars, he has lowered taxes and decreased spending.

Is it your argument we would be better off with higher taxes and more spending and another war or two?


Dubya didn't start a war untill he was in office over 2 years. Trump still has plenty of time to beat him. Just st sayin.

[Vieux Canard]

And Nikki Haley would be chosen as his VP...

Shudder...

[nikcers]

That is my question, and a serious one...

What is he alleged to have done that rises to an impeachable offense?

Being pissed off by "tweets" is not a cause for impeachment either, as far as I know.
All of them have pissed all over the constitution, they don't give a fuck whether the laws they pass are constitutional why should we follow precedence or the rule of law?

[dannno]

All of them have pissed all over the constitution, they don't give a fuck whether the laws they pass are constitutional why should we follow precedence or the rule of law?

So why impeach the one who is the closest to following the Constitution and turning us in a positive direction?

[Swordsmyth]

So why impeach the one who is the closest to following the Constitution and turning us in a positive direction?

"Cutting off your nose to spite your face"

[nikcers]

So why impeach the one who is the closest to following the Constitution and turning us in a positive direction?
Foreign policy is starting world war 3, what if we could stop it?

[nikcers]

"Cutting off your nose to spite your face"
Cutting off the gangrene leg because otherwise you will die.

[dannno]

Foreign policy is starting world war 3, what if we could stop it?

That sounds like deep state propaganda.

Actually, strike that, it is deep state propaganda.

[dannno]

Cutting off the gangrene leg because otherwise you will die.

Cutting off a piece of your gangrene leg just to feel pain.

[Swordsmyth]

Cutting off the gangrene leg because otherwise you will die.
Hardly.

The replacement would be worse.

You might be close if Rand or somebody as good or better runs against him in 2020.

[nikcers]

That sounds like deep state propaganda.

Actually, strike that, it is deep state propaganda.
Trump literally said the justice department was the deep state and he put the guy in charge of the justice department. You are being neoconned.

[Swordsmyth]

Foreign policy is starting world war 3, what if we could stop it?

DJTvsg may not start WWIII, any replacement WILL.

[nikcers]

Hardly.

The replacement would be worse.

You might be close if Rand or somebody as good or better runs against him in 2020.neocon without a cult following would be amazing.

[Swordsmyth]

neocon without a cult following would be amazing.


https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2017/12/07/bm_05043697_bs_0000000009608886_custom-c2ceb092efa0dab638ec244436dd04068d84fff7-s1000-c85.jpg

[nikcers]

https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2017/12/07/bm_05043697_bs_0000000009608886_custom-c2ceb092efa0dab638ec244436dd04068d84fff7-s1000-c85.jpg
Just wait for the bipartisanship that a cult following gives them a mandate to deliver.

[Swordsmyth]

Just wait for the bipartisanship that a cult following gives them a mandate to deliver.

The Trump cult is antithetical to bipartisanship, Pence would elicit a flood of it.

[nikcers]

The Trump cult is antithetical to bipartisanship, Pence would elicit a flood of it.
No they are a bunch of idiots running around smelling Trumps farts saying that they smell good. They have become dangerous because Trump is controlled opposition and there is nothing that Trump will do that they will not fight for. Trump could start war with China tomorrow and they would cheer.

[PierzStyx]

I wouldn't say soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better, but it is definitely better.

The problem with Bush was that he doubled the size of government and started several wars.

Trump has started zero wars, he has lowered taxes and decreased spending.

Is it your argument we would be better off with higher taxes and more spending and another war or two?

Trump hasn't needed to start any wars, though he keeps threatening to start a few. And he has intensified the drone bombings that took place in the Obama years, killing four times as many innocent people than Obama managed in the same time. By your logic Obama was a great President because he never started a war, only bombed places.

Trump hasn't lowered taxes. No one effectively paid a 37% tax rate. Anyone with money enough to have to also had enough money to hire people to find them the legal loopholes out of doing so, as Trump knows so well form investing in real estate. Bringing that highest tier by 2% doesn't change anything. Everything else he did was simply fiddle with the tax thresholds. If anything large families will be punished because the Trump tax plan eliminates personal exemptions. People with more children will see their tax returns shrink and tax rates effectively rise. Single fathers will see their taxes increase as they are no longer able to get exemptions on the alimony they pay. They also limited exemptions and deductions for paying property taxes, meaning property owners will see their taxes rise and returns shrink. The only think that is a real tax cut is the corporate tax rate is lowered. This is a positive. But everything else is either not a cut or just fiddling with the color of the paint.

And whatever marginal benefits you or I might see is more than offset by the Trump budget, which increases government spending without limit. He proposed budget will lead to more government spending with less revenue. The only way to pay for such a plan is by increasing borrowing and printing more money, itself a hidden tax that destroys the wealth of the masses and especially harms the elderly and disabled living on fixed incomes as they see inflation eat away at the worth of their money.


The budget proposes to increase government spending from $4 trillion today to $5.7 trillion in 2027. That's $1.7 trillion more over the next decade, but in Washington this is described as "budget cuts." Any normal person, looking at an increase of this magnitude, would say that this constitutes an increase.

Looking at individual programs, it is misleading to state that spending on Medicaid programs will be cut, as many did this morning. The new budget proposes to increase federal Medicaid spending from $378 billion a year today to $524 billion a year in 2027. It shows how far removed Washington is from everyday Americans for this increase of $146 billion to be called a cut.

The fundamental problem is that special interests are addicted to the rising path of spending. Altering this path by increasing spending at a slower rate always opens change-makers to extraordinary attacks, as we have seen today.

Some other programs that are similarly described as cuts will also increase. Consider, for example, the Department of Agriculture's Child Nutrition Programs. The program had outlays of $23 billion in 2017, and President Trump has proposed for spending to rise to $34 billion in 2027, a 47% increase. True, this is less than the $29 billion increase that Congress has allocated. But it is still an increase.

Then, consider the Department of Health and Human Services' Child Support and Family Support Programs, which Trump proposes to increase from $4 billion in 2017 to $5 billion in 2027, a 25% increase. Yes, $840 million has been trimmed from Congress' prior plans, but the program is still getting more funding.

President Trump wants to increase funding from $61 billion in 2017 to $76 billion in 2027 for the Earned Income Tax Credit program, which supplements incomes of low earners and is administered by the Internal Revenue Service. Yes, $1 billion is cut from the baseline, but spending is still rising.

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/in-trump-budget-what-media-call-cuts-are-really-increases/

http://www.factandmyth.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/democrat-republican-debt.jpg


As for another war or two, if you want to straw man, you defending Republicans must mean you think this is the way we should treat little children:

https://therearenosunglasses.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/nawar-al-awlaki_1485894434736_2673300_ver1-01.png?w=869

But then again, why should I be surprised, you're on here defending scum like Donald "Lets murder all the innocent family members of anyone we label a 'terrorist'" Trump and Mitch "Endless War" McConnell is somehow better in anyway.

[dannno]

Trump hasn't lowered taxes.

My taxes are going down in the four figure range, so are specs.. Did you see the thread with the link that had the tax savings calculator? I'll bet you are getting a tax break, too.




But then again, why should I be surprised, you're on here defending scum like Donald "Lets murder all the innocent family members of anyone we label a 'terrorist'" Trump and Mitch "Endless War" McConnell is somehow better in anyway.

Trump never said anything about murdering innocent family members of terrorists.

[Schifference]

Trump hasn't needed to start any wars, though he keeps threatening to start a few. And he has intensified the drone bombings that took place in the Obama years, killing four times as many innocent people than Obama managed in the same time. By your logic Obama was a great President because he never started a war, only bombed places.

Trump hasn't lowered taxes. No one effectively paid a 37% tax rate. Anyone with money enough to have to also had enough money to hire people to find them the legal loopholes out of doing so, as Trump knows so well form investing in real estate. Bringing that highest tier by 2% doesn't change anything. Everything else he did was simply fiddle with the tax thresholds. If anything large families will be punished because the Trump tax plan eliminates personal exemptions. People with more children will see their tax returns shrink and tax rates effectively rise. Single fathers will see their taxes increase as they are no longer able to get exemptions on the alimony they pay. They also limited exemptions and deductions for paying property taxes, meaning property owners will see their taxes rise and returns shrink. The only think that is a real tax cut is the corporate tax rate is lowered. This is a positive. But everything else is either not a cut or just fiddling with the color of the paint.

And whatever marginal benefits you or I might see is more than offset by the Trump budget, which increases government spending without limit. He proposed budget will lead to more government spending with less revenue. The only way to pay for such a plan is by increasing borrowing and printing more money, itself a hidden tax that destroys the wealth of the masses and especially harms the elderly and disabled living on fixed incomes as they see inflation eat away at the worth of their money.



http://www.factandmyth.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/democrat-republican-debt.jpg


As for another war or two, if you want to straw man, you defending Republicans must mean you think this is the way we should treat little children:

https://therearenosunglasses.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/nawar-al-awlaki_1485894434736_2673300_ver1-01.png?w=869

But then again, why should I be surprised, you're on here defending scum like Donald "Lets murder all the innocent family members of anyone we label a 'terrorist'" Trump and Mitch "Endless War" McConnell is somehow better in anyway.

A married couple with 3 kids that gross 45k would have 7.35% of their wages withheld totaling $3307.50. When they file their return they get a $6000 child credit. They have a zero tax liability and get a refund that exceeds what they paid.

Summary Table

Estimated Tax Analysis
Gross income
(subject to personal rates) $45,000
Taxable Pass-Through Income + $0
Qualified plan contributions - $0
Adjusted gross income = $45,000
Standard/Itemized deductions - $24,000
Taxable income = $21,000
Tax liability before credits
(includes taxes on pass-through income) $2,139
Child tax credits - $6,000
Family tax credits - $0
Estimated tax liability = $0
Refundable Child Tax Credit $3,861

https://www.calcxml.com/calculators/...r?skn=#results

[Danke]

A married couple with 3 kids that gross 45k would have 7.35% of their wages withheld totaling $3307.50. When they file their return they get a $6000 child credit. They have a zero tax liability and get a refund that exceeds what they paid.

Summary Table

Estimated Tax Analysis
Gross income
(subject to personal rates) $45,000
Taxable Pass-Through Income + $0
Qualified plan contributions - $0
Adjusted gross income = $45,000
Standard/Itemized deductions - $24,000
Taxable income = $21,000
Tax liability before credits
(includes taxes on pass-through income) $2,139
Child tax credits - $6,000
Family tax credits - $0
Estimated tax liability = $0
Refundable Child Tax Credit $3,861

https://www.calcxml.com/calculators/...r?skn=#results


Don’t forget FICA, which is an income tax 15.3% , so $6,885.

[Schifference]

Don’t forget FICA, which is an income tax 15.3% , so $6,885.

FICA & Medicare are what add to the 7.35% mentioned. The employer pays half employee pays the other half.
With that scenario, the worker gets back every penny paid in and a couple of hundred extra dollars.



**Edit**Looks like that might have gone up a little since I remembered.


a 6.2 percent Social Security tax; and
a 1.45 percent Medicare tax (the “regular” Medicare tax).

Total would be 7.65% each for both employer and employee.

So in the illustration mentioned total withholding for the employee would be $3442.5 @ the rate of 7.65%
They pay no tax and receive a Refundable child tax credit of $3861
The pay absolutely no tax of any kind and get paid $418.5

[Danke]

FICA & Medicare are what add to the 7.35% mentioned. The employer pays half employee pays the other half.
With that scenario, the worker gets back every penny paid in and a couple of hundred extra dollars.


That is is money paid in your name that could have gone to you instead.

[Zippyjuan]

That is is money paid in your name that could have gone to you instead.

Or could have gone to the share holders or executives.

[Danke]

Or could have gone to the share holders or executives.


Just like corporates taxes could instead go to the employees...

[Zippyjuan]

Just like corporates taxes could instead go to the employees...

They could. In the 1980's the corporate tax rate was cut from 50% to 39%. How did that work out?

https://thecurrentmoment.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/econ-graph-popup.jpg

[Swordsmyth]

They could. In the 1980's the corporate tax rate was cut from 50% to 39%. How did that work out?

https://thecurrentmoment.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/econ-graph-popup.jpg

There are many other factors involved.

[Schifference]

That is is money paid in your name that could have gone to you instead.

Agreed.

I highly doubt that if that tax was eliminated employers would give employees a 7.65% raise.

I think Rand wanted to eliminate the employee portion and charge a flat percentage tax to everyone. I don't know the particulars his plan entailed. As you can see in the scenario I presented the employee got back all the FICA tax that was withheld on their behalf and then some and paid zero tax. They are also eligible to collect Social Security if the program still exists.

Another factor that could exist in that scenario is the family would be considered pretty darn low income/poor. If they pursued it they could probably get free health care, food stamps, heating assistance, and possibly housing.

All those entitlements become enticing. Do people want to pull the cart or ride in it?

[Zippyjuan]

Agreed.

I highly doubt that if that tax was eliminated employers would give employees a 7.65% raise.

I think Rand wanted to eliminate the employee portion and charge a flat percentage tax to everyone. I don't know the particulars his plan entailed. As you can see in the scenario I presented the employee got back all the FICA tax that was withheld on their behalf and then some and paid zero tax. They are also eligible to collect Social Security if the program still exists.

Rand would shift that portion to businesses and he would raise the retirement age.


Mine is unique in the sense that my tax plan actually gets rid of the payroll tax as well. It shifts it to the business, and it would allow middle class people to get a tax cut.


I've chosen to get rid of the whole thing, and have one single rate, 14 and a-half percent for everybody, business, and for corporate income, and personal income.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Economic/Rand_Paul_Social_Security.htm

If business is picking up the half you were paying, they don't have any more money to pass along to you (assuming they would want to and not retain any higher profits to themselves).

[Danke]

Agreed.

I highly doubt that if that tax was eliminated employers would give employees a 7.65% raise.

I think Rand wanted to eliminate the employee portion and charge a flat percentage tax to everyone. I don't know the particulars his plan entailed. As you can see in the scenario I presented the employee got back all the FICA tax that was withheld on their behalf and then some and paid zero tax. They are also eligible to collect Social Security if the program still exists.

Another factor that could exist in that scenario is the family would be considered pretty darn low income/poor. If they pursued it they could probably get free health care, food stamps, heating assistance, and possibly housing.

All those entitlements become enticing. Do people want to pull the cart or ride in it?


Why not? If other competitors are paying it to their employees instead of to the federal government, where do you think they will be sending their resumes?

[PierzStyx]

My taxes are going down in the four figure range, so are specs.. Did you see the thread with the link that had the tax savings calculator? I'll bet you are getting a tax break, too.




Trump never said anything about murdering innocent family members of terrorists.


Your taxes aren't going down. You're getting a Keynesian government "investment" to be paid off by increased debt spending, money printing, and borrowing- all of which Ron Paul has called the most insidious tax of all because it is a hidden tax that destroys the wealth and degrades the worth of every person.

As for Trump talking about murdering families of terrorists:


“The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families,” Trump said during an appearance on Fox News' “Fox and Friends” in December 2015. “They care about their lives, don't kid yourself. When they say they don't care about their lives, you have to take out their families.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/05/27/trump-said-he-would-take-out-the-families-of-isis-fighters-did-an-airstrike-in-syria-do-just-that/?utm_term=.92183d9dbabd

Which he promptly began to do, murdering and slaughtering women and children in drone attacks and military bombings.

But you keep apologizing, supporting, and defending him. Apparently you hav eno problem with supporting a person who purposefully targets and kills civilians, women, and children.

[PierzStyx]

A married couple with 3 kids that gross 45k would have 7.35% of their wages withheld totaling $3307.50. When they file their return they get a $6000 child credit. They have a zero tax liability and get a refund that exceeds what they paid.

Summary Table

Estimated Tax Analysis
Gross income
(subject to personal rates) $45,000
Taxable Pass-Through Income + $0
Qualified plan contributions - $0
Adjusted gross income = $45,000
Standard/Itemized deductions - $24,000
Taxable income = $21,000
Tax liability before credits
(includes taxes on pass-through income) $2,139
Child tax credits - $6,000
Family tax credits - $0
Estimated tax liability = $0
Refundable Child Tax Credit $3,861

https://www.calcxml.com/calculators/...r?skn=#results

Start off, everything said I was true irregardless of the additional Keynesian multipliers you are able to get. Your actual taxes aren't going down. You're getting a Keynesian government "investment" to be paid off by increased debt spending, money printing, and borrowing- all of which Ron Paul has called the most insidious tax of all because it is a hidden tax that destroys the wealth and degrades the worth of every person. It is all smoke and mirrors.

[dannno]

Your taxes aren't going down. You're getting a Keynesian government "investment" to be paid off by increased debt spending, money printing, and borrowing- all of which Ron Paul has called the most insidious tax of all because it is a hidden tax that destroys the wealth and degrades the worth of every person.

Trump reduced spending from last year, too.

[enhanced_deficit]

If Trump goes, you know who we'll be left with... (shudder).

To be fair, Pence reportedly had planned to team up widely respected neocon Condi Rice.


http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/files/2017/05/AccessTrumpTape.png

Pence told RNC he could replace Trump on ticket after 'Access Hollywood' tape came out: report

Vice President Pence reportedly told the Republican National Committee (RNC) that he could replace President Trump on the ballot after the "Access Hollywood" tape surfaced last year.
The Atlantic reported that (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/01/gods-plan-for-mike-pence/546569/) Pence made clear to the RNC that he could assume the position of the party's nominee.
At the time, there was reportedly talk about making Pence the nominee and former secretary of State Condoleezza Rice his running mate.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/363258-pence-told-rnc-he-could-replace-trump-on-ticket-after-access

[enhanced_deficit]

That is my question, and a serious one...

What is he alleged to have done that rises to an impeachable offense?

Being pissed off by "tweets" is not a cause for impeachment either, as far as I know.


Hard to tell, but if it did happen, probably would be over "corruption" or "obstruction of justice". His ties to Kushner could cost him if reports about his financial dealings are factual.


Trump-Kushner corruption ‘will move front and center this year,’ reporter tells MSNBC

Travis Gettys
11 Jan 2018https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Michael-Duffy-MSNBC-800x430.png
Michael Duffy (MSNBC)

President Donald Trump has raised alarms with his authoritarian tendencies — but maybe there’s another word that could be used to describe his anti-democratic urges.
MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” hosted Time deputy managing editor Michael Duffy, who wrote the magazine’s cover story this week (https://time.com/5098415/the-unpresident-why-donald-trump-will-never-change/?xid=homepage&pcd=hp-magmod) on Trump’s first year in office, and USA Today senior politics reporter Heidi Przybyla asked him about the president’s business dealings.
“We’ve talked a lot about 2017, things being autocracy, authoritarianism, but looking forward to 2018, how much do you think the word kleptocracy should start to become part of this discussion?” Przybyla said.
She pointed to her newspaper’s new report (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/01/10/trumps-secretive-real-estate-sales-continue-unabated/1018530001/) Trump companies selling $35 million in real estate last year — mostly to secretive shell companies that Przybyla said opened the president up to influence peddling.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/01/trump-kushner-kleptocracy-will-move-front-and-center-this-year-reporter-tells-msnbc/

[PierzStyx]

Trump reduced spending from last year, too.

http://www.factandmyth.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/democrat-republican-debt.jpg

Yet he is still spending billions more than the government has.



The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) signed into law on December 22, 2017 promises no relief from one big tax on income — the inflation tax. Quite the contrary, there are strong grounds to expect this burden to increase as new and unannounced methods of collection evolve further.

https://mises.org/wire/gops-tax-reform-offers-no-relief-inflation-tax

[dannno]

http://www.factandmyth.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/democrat-republican-debt.jpg

Yet he is still spending billions more than the government has.

Can you at least see how the cartoon you posted is bullshit?

[timosman]

Can you at least see how the cartoon you posted is bullshit?

PierzStyx is #nevertrump Your attempts to appease him are doomed to fail. :cool:

[enhanced_deficit]

Both Ireland-based gambling company Paddy Power and New Zealand–based prediction market PredictIt have increased the likelihood of Trump being impeached
before his term ends at the beginning of 2021.

The oddsmakers at PredictIt, which handles its betting differently than Paddy Power does, are a bit more bullish on Trump's chances of avoiding impeachment
and remaining president through the end of his first term. Still, its odds have also shortened over the past couple of days.
"There's a 37% chance @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) will be impeached."

When PredictIt’s markets opened on January 2, the day the first excerpts from Wolff's book were released, you could make a 33-cent bet on Trump being impeached in his first term, putting PredictIt’s odds at approximately 2-to-1.
On January 4, that number rose as high as 39 cents before plateauing at its current price of 37 cents (https://www.predictit.org/Contract/7419/Will-Donald-Trump-be-impeached-in-his-first-term#data).



https://s19.postimg.org/d1qd01w0j/hillary.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/e40jiletr/)






https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIF.XdhRIhjXdKyRbs0QoruLXA&w=268&h=160&c=7&o=5&pid=1.7
REVIEW: GRAMMYS Tone-deaf, out of touch mess... (https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-2018-grammy-awards-was-a-tone-deaf-out-of-touch-mess)

DID HILLARY POISON SHOW? (https://nypost.com/2018/01/29/nikki-haley-thinks-hillarys-cameo-ruined-the-grammys/)


http://www.drudgereport.com/i/logo9.gif

This is crazy merger of politics and entertainment by hollywood.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tk65hgjTwM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tk65hgjTwM

[Madison320]

Trump reduced spending from last year, too.

Where'd you hear that? Spending for CY 2016 = 3.82T, CY 2017=4.02T

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MTSO133FMS