President Donald – Campaign promises [Archive] - Ron Paul Forums / Liberty Forest

Firestarter

12-30-2017, 09:26 AM

Donald Trump really is a different kind of politician.
Where other politicians try to hide how corrupt they are, it looks like Donald doesn’t care if the people that voted for him find out.

Trump has made lots of campaign promises that he didn't keep.

1. Donald won’t “lock up” Hillary Clinton.

2. Trump won’t reveal the truth about 9/11.

3. Mexico won’t pay for a border wall.

4. Trump has failed to replace Obamacare.

5. The wages of ordinary people in the counties that voted for Trump won’t be increased.

6. Trump has not brought a big tax cut for the average American.

7. Trump has failed to balance the Federal Budget.

8. Donald repealed his statements that NATO is “obsolete".

9. At one time Donald promised to take all US troops out of the opium producing Afghanistan US, but instead the US will send 3,000 additional soldiers to Afghanistan.

10. He hasn’t bombed ISIS into obliteration, but instead threw the biggest available bomb on Afghanistan, and bombed the starving Yemen.

11. Trump's government didn’t declare China to be a currency manipulator.

12. Donald Trump won’t do a “real” audit of the Federal Reserve.

13. Donald didn’t reverse the deal President Barack Obama made with Cuba.

14. Trump didn’t make any progress in getting rid of the estimated 11.3 million illegal immigrants, but in 2017, deportations lower than in the previous year

15. Trump said he would approve waterboarding, because "torture works". CIA director Mike Pompeo said that he would "absolutely not" reinstate such methods (which doesn’t mean anything really…).

16. Donald hasn’t invested on the roads, rail and airports yet.

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/2017/11/06/USATODAY/USATODAY/636455635869140924-110617-trump-promises-Online.png

Donald has also kept some promises (at least partially).

1. Donald promised to bring corporation tax down from 35% to 15%, and he brought it down to 21%.

2. Donald withdrew from the Paris climate deal.

3. Donald withdrew the US from the TPP, but didn’t renegotiate the North American Free Trade Association (NAFTA).

4. Donald has formally recognised Jerusalem as Israel's capital, which stirred up some controversy, and approved moving the US embassy to Jerusalem.

5. Trump kept his promise to approve the Keystone XL pipeline.

6. Trump didn't bring a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States". His current ban only affects Muslims from Chad, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Syria and Yemen. This has nothing to do with Donald’s business ties to Muslim countries like: Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Indonesia.
For more information: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37982000
(archived here: http://archive.is/fGNxj)

A duck quacks and Trump tweets…
https://birdinflight.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Donald-Trump_01.jpg

euphemia

12-30-2017, 02:11 PM

I didn’t realize his term was over.

donnay

12-30-2017, 02:14 PM

I didn’t realize his term was over.

Honestly. :rolleyes:

euphemia

12-30-2017, 06:13 PM

Like Obama and the shovel-ready jobs that were a big fat lie to begin with.

Raginfridus

12-30-2017, 08:38 PM

Like Obama and the shovel-ready jobs that were a big fat lie to begin with.
Everybody who voted Obama thought the other guy was going to do the work, so no shovels were lifted and no ground was ever broken.

donnay

12-30-2017, 08:46 PM

8 years of Obama and Americans were shoveling shit just to get by.

euphemia

12-30-2017, 08:51 PM

Everybody who voted Obama thought the other guy was going to do the work, so no shovels were lifted and no ground was ever broken.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0dFsNwiqOM

Obama promised jobs. He lied so he could give most of the $1trillion to companies closely tied to his friends, including Solyndra.

Firestarter

12-31-2017, 06:47 AM

I didn’t realize his term was over. Sure lets keep on dreaming that President Donald will "drain the swamp"...

I wish that the BBC would do some similar stories on the politicians in Britain...

Firestarter

01-10-2018, 11:06 AM

In his first 10 months as president, Donald Trump (red line) lied nearly 6 times more than even (the pathological liar) Obama during his entire 8-year presidency (blue line).
http://archive.is/PLaWC/724d68aabc21efa49f3bc9963e9c78766d32309b.png
https://www.truthrevolt.org/sites/default/files/styles/content_full_width/public/field/image/articles/screen_shot_2017-12-14_at_4.29.32_pm.jpg?itok=AFHudtju

Reportedly President Trump has already told a whopping 2000 lies in about a year, 5.6 a day (this includes counting repeated lies double): http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a15049822/trump-2000-lie/

Trump has repeatedly credited himself for decisions that happened before he took office. For example, 61 times, he has lied that he secured business investments and jobs.

Trump repeated the falsehood about bringing the biggest tax cut 53 times.
Trump has lied 25 times that the United States had the highest corporate taxes and 33 times that it is one of the highest-taxed nations: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-false-claims-lies-misleading-president-facts-statements-a8138071.html

dannno

01-10-2018, 11:27 AM

Wow, I had no idea you worshipped the establishment so much.

Origanalist

01-10-2018, 11:42 AM

Wow, I had no idea you worshipped the establishment so much.

http://images.gawker.com/1380274736987542374/original.gif

dannno

01-10-2018, 11:44 AM

http://images.gawker.com/1380274736987542374/original.gif

Sorry, almost everything in the OP is total horse shit.

dannno

01-10-2018, 11:59 AM

1. Donald won’t “lock up” Hillary Clinton.

Investigations are just beginning..

2. Trump won’t reveal the truth about 9/11.

I never thought that would happen, but there is a much better chance of it happening still with Trump than Hillary.

3. Mexico won’t pay for a border wall.

Yes, they will. Not that I care.

4. Trump has failed to replace Obamacare.

He repealed the individual mandate and passed Rand's plan allowing freedom in interstate commerce. It's a good start, do you realize Obamacare can't function without the individual mandate? You need to have more patience here..

5. The wages of ordinary people in the counties that voted for Trump won’t be increased.

Obama lost something like 16k manufacturing jobs in 2016, Trump increased 171k manufacturing jobs. Let's hold on a minute and not get caught up in the media propaganda.

6. Trump has not brought a big tax cut for the average American.

Specs and I are both getting tax cuts in the four figure range, I am very happy with that. The rich getting tax cuts will help the poor, too, you commie..

7. Trump has failed to balance the Federal Budget.

He reduced spending this year from last year, when was the last time we reduced our spending??

8. Donald repealed his statements that NATO is “obsolete".

He is starting to wind down foreign aid.

16. Donald hasn’t invested on the roads, rail and airports yet.

The foreign aid money is going to be used for that.

Donald has also kept some promises (at least partially).

1. Donald promised to bring corporation tax down from 35% to 15%, and he brought it down to 21%.

2. Donald withdrew from the Paris climate deal.

3. Donald withdrew the US from the TPP, but didn’t renegotiate the North American Free Trade Association (NAFTA).

4. Donald has formally recognised Jerusalem as Israel's capital, which stirred up some controversy, and approved moving the US embassy to Jerusalem.

5. Trump kept his promise to approve the Keystone XL pipeline.

6. Trump didn't bring a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States". His current ban only affects Muslims from Chad, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Syria and Yemen. This has nothing to do with Donald’s business ties to Muslim countries like: Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Indonesia.
For more information: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37982000
(archived here: http://archive.is/fGNxj)

So once you update the OP, maybe you can change the title to, "So far, not too bad!!" Then maybe say something about how things are going pretty great, except foreign policy, which I still think all of us here will be much happier about within the next couple years.

euphemia

01-10-2018, 12:05 PM

TheCount

01-10-2018, 12:34 PM

How can he have 'foreign lobbying ban' as a fulfilled promise when he had foreign lobbyists as members of both his campaign and his administration's top staff?

TheCount

01-10-2018, 12:46 PM

And the reduction is regulations is not even whispered on this forum, the one that hates government regulation more than anything.

This just shows that some here have no principles. They only like government when it does what they like. That's not liberty thinking.

Not even whispered.

Except the threads about it:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?517751-Donald-Trump-cuts-red-tape

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?518138-Trump-To-Rollback-Deepwater-Horizon-Regulations

And the posts about it:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?518049-Explain-To-Me-How-Trump-Differs-From-The-Generic-Democrat&p=6569544&viewfull=1#post6569544

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?518049-Explain-To-Me-How-Trump-Differs-From-The-Generic-Democrat&p=6569809&viewfull=1#post6569809

That's just in the past two weeks.

Origanalist

01-10-2018, 12:51 PM

euphemia

01-10-2018, 12:52 PM

But totally ingored by posters want to put it all in the worst possible light. Could be MSM for all we know.

CCTelander

01-10-2018, 12:55 PM

Not even whispered.

Except the threads about it:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?517751-Donald-Trump-cuts-red-tape

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?518138-Trump-To-Rollback-Deepwater-Horizon-Regulations

And the posts about it:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?518049-Explain-To-Me-How-Trump-Differs-From-The-Generic-Democrat&p=6569544&viewfull=1#post6569544

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?518049-Explain-To-Me-How-Trump-Differs-From-The-Generic-Democrat&p=6569809&viewfull=1#post6569809

That's just in the past two weeks.

No, you don't get it. Anything short of constant, effusive praise constitues "not even whispered about," apparently. Sure, Trump has done some positive things. But, apparently, believing the bad still outweighs the good and calling him out on the bad is some form of heresy.

dannno

01-10-2018, 01:17 PM

But, apparently, believing the bad still outweighs the good and calling him out on the bad is some form of heresy.

Compared to what?

euphemia

01-10-2018, 03:29 PM

I can't believe some people think that the President should have undone all the damage of the last few administrations in less than a year. As an ardent pro-life advocate, Trump did more in less than a year than every presidential administration since I was born.

nikcers

01-10-2018, 03:34 PM

Trump is a fraud and just like any scam during the campaign he always contradicted himself so technically he never really promised anything you just wanted to believe whatever narrative you chose to. It's like the x files line I want to believe.

Firestarter

01-11-2018, 04:34 AM

Obama lost something like 16k manufacturing jobs in 2016, Trump increased 171k manufacturing jobs. Let's hold on a minute and not get caught up in the media propaganda. You're the one spreading pro-Trump lies, all of the time.

Trump promised 25 million jobs in 10 years (how will he stay president that long?), it doesn't look like he's on track on that promise: http://money.cnn.com/interactive/news/economy/trump-jobs-tracker/

It doesn't look like President Donald has brought more jobs, compared to Obama...
https://editorial.azureedge.net/miscelaneous/r-636504971683950176.jpg

Specs and I are both getting tax cuts in the four figure range, I am very happy with that. The rich getting tax cuts will help the poor, too, you commie.. So your point is that if the rich get richer... they will help the poor get rich?!? :confused:

So once you update the OP, maybe you can change the title to, "So far, not too bad!!" Then maybe say something about how things are going pretty great, except foreign policy, which I still think all of us here will be much happier about within the next couple years. Donald Trump is even worse than Obama, Bush and Clinton...

TheCount

01-11-2018, 06:05 AM

Superfluous Man

01-11-2018, 10:00 AM

And the reduction is regulations is not even whispered on this forum, the one that hates government regulation more than anything.

It gets mentioned here all the time.

There's just not much to say about it.

Superfluous Man

01-11-2018, 10:03 AM

As an ardent pro-life advocate, Trump did more in less than a year than every presidential administration since I was born.

What pro-life thing has he done?

dannno

01-11-2018, 10:32 AM

You're the one spreading pro-Trump lies, all of the time.

Trump promised 25 million jobs in 10 years (how will he stay president that long?), it doesn't look like he's on track on that promise: http://money.cnn.com/interactive/news/economy/trump-jobs-tracker/

It doesn't look like President Donald has brought more jobs, compared to Obama...
https://editorial.azureedge.net/miscelaneous/r-636504971683950176.jpg

So your point is that if the rich get richer... they will help the poor get rich?!? :confused:

Donald Trump is even worse than Obama, Bush and Clinton...

Obama brought more government jobs, Trump decreased public sector jobs and increased manufacturing jobs by over 200k over what Obama did the year before, just in his first year!

He has been working with Rand on a lot of initiatives, and Rand has been very happy with the outcomes on a lot of these projects he has worked on with Trump.

Taxes down, spending down.

You have to really admit that what your vision of Trump was going to be is not the reality.

Firestarter

01-11-2018, 10:36 AM

You have to really admit that what your vision of Trump was going to be is not the reality.

I suggest that you stop ignoring the awful truth on Trump, and stop yourself be brainwashed with the pro-Trump BS that Zionist shill Alex Jones loves to spread...

dannno

01-11-2018, 10:55 AM

I suggest that you stop ignoring the awful truth on Trump, and stop yourself be brainwashed with the pro-Trump BS that Zionist shill Alex Jones loves to spread...

...and Rand Paul??

Firestarter

01-11-2018, 11:07 AM

I suggest that you stop ignoring the awful truth on Trump, and stop yourself be brainwashed with the pro-Trump BS that Zionist shill Alex Jones loves to spread...

...and Rand Paul??
I'm no expert on the political points of Rand or Ron Paul; and I can't even call myself a supporter of father and son Paul.

I hope that a forum member, that I can take more seriously than even Dannno, can correct me if I'm wrong, but my impression is that Rand Paul isn't pro-Trump.
I can still remember that the forum had a custom-designed banner "Who do we support? Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump - None of the above".

dannno

01-11-2018, 12:48 PM

I'm no expert on the political points of Rand or Ron Paul; and I can't even call myself a supporter of father and son Paul.

I hope that a forum member, that I can take more seriously than even Dannno, can correct me if I'm wrong, but my impression is that Rand Paul isn't pro-Trump.
I can still remember that the forum had a custom-designed banner "Who do we support? Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump - None of the above".

Why wouldn't you support people who are promoting liberty like Ron and Rand Paul if you favor liberty? That doesn't make any sense. That's like if you had a broken leg and you shot the medic who was coming to help you, or at minimum didn't help direct them toward where you were in the woods if they are looking for you. It should make people question your motivations for being here if you can't support people who are trying to help you get more liberty.

It sounds like you're not even paying attention to what is going on and all you do is watch Trevor Noah and John Oliver or some bullshit.

You don't realize you are being lied to by the media about Trump constantly.

It is true that Trump is not the perfect liberty candidate and he could be doing a lot better on foreign policy - but what he is, is he is better on liberty on the whole than the establishment and the establishment is attacking him for it and trying to take him out.

Ya, Rand's policies would be a lot better than Trump, although there is a pretty decent amount of overlap, and I can understand why the forum had the 'Neither Hillary nor Trump' logo, in fact I sported it because I didn't vote for Trump. All I did was discuss how the mainstream media was lying about him constantly. But I didn't know for certain what his motivations were, if he intended to win, if he was a spoiler or what.. When he won, and the media gnarled their teeth and became even more vicious, that was a pretty good signal that we were going to see some positive changes. Because the media is the enemy, if you don't know that, you're either dumb or you are purposefully obfuscating the reality of our existence.

[Trump] is different than any other politician. And now we have all these wise acres out there wanting to criticize and be presumptuous about trying to judge someone’s intelligence. I can tell you he has the wherewithall to do things no other politician has, and in a good way.
-Rand Paul

Rand Paul has praised Trump numerous times for moving things in a positive direction.

Firestarter

01-12-2018, 04:42 AM

Why wouldn't you support people who are promoting liberty like Ron and Rand Paul if you favor liberty? I don't know enough about Rand and Ron Paul to know whether they support "liberty".
While I've seen some videos where Ron Paul says some good things, this doesn't prove to me that he supports "liberty". This only proves that he's a good talker, but I think that talk is cheap...

The single 3 lines that you've quoted by Rand Paul, doesn't prove to me that he's positive about Trump in general.
I do know that both Trump and father and son Paul have been backed by Bilderberg member Peter Thiel; who should be infamous for supporting "medical vampirism".

Because the media is the enemy, if you don't know that, you're either dumb or you are purposefully obfuscating the reality of our existence. You - Dannno - seem to do nothing else but spread propaganda.
You're lying even more than the media, this makes you an "enemy"...

Trump is just as much THE enemy, as Obama or Clinton (actually more akin to faithfull servants for the elite).

As far as I can tell, the Bush crime family is different, as this is high in the world hierarchy itself.

If I understand Zionism, NWO correctly - Rothschild is THE enemy.
Donald Trump is a Zionist puppet for the Rothschild crime syndicate that's been partners in crime with the British and Dutch Royal families for more than a century: http://www.conspiracyschool.com/blog/donald-trump-chabad-lubavitch-and-oligarchs

Firestarter

02-13-2018, 11:07 AM

7. Trump has failed to balance the Federal Budget.
In 2016, Donald Trump promised that he could rid the US national debt of $19 trillion debt in 2 terms as president "over a period of eight years".
Trump warned that the US is "sitting on a bubble right now that's going to explode": https://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/02/politics/donald-trump-national-debt/index.html

The new budget plan looks more like a ballooning deficit, that will likely swell debts and deficits.
According to Goldman Sachs, the budget bill will increase the US deficit by $1.1 trillion next year.
At more than $20 trillion, greater than the annual GDP, the United States' debt is already at its highest level since World War II.

Because of the December tax cuts, of which the wealthy profit most, the federal revenues are cut by $1.5 trillion over 10 years.

There is a $1.5 trillion plan to upgrade the nation’s infrastructure.

The budget deal calls for an additional $300 billion in defence spending over 2 years.
Trump said in an Oval Office appearance on Monday:
We're going to have the strongest military we've ever had, by far.
In this budget we took care of the military like it's never been taken care of before.

After the peak in the deficit in the wake of the 2008-2010 recession, President Barack Obama’s administration reduced the deficit from 9.8% of GDP in 2009 to 2.4% by 2015.
After it reached $666 billion in the 2017 fiscal year, the deficit will likely hit $1 trillion in 2019.
In fiscal year 2018, borrowing by the US Treasury will climb to $1.4 trillion from $550 billion in 2017: https://www.yahoo.com/news/stimulus-puts-us-debt-upward-trajectory-193132670.html

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/10210545/DeficitsPOTUSFY19.png

http://s.marketwatch.com/public/resources/MWimages/MW-EH217_trumps_ZG_20160304172054.jpg

Firestarter

08-14-2018, 04:12 AM

If you buy $20,000 with loaned money, you could claim that your “personal GDP” is soaring, but in reality you would put your family in a precarious financial position.
The following 8 examples show that the current financial condition of the US is a “horror show”…

#1 US consumer credit hit another all-time record high. In the second quarter of 2008, total consumer credit reached a total of $2.63 trillion and in 2018 that has soared to $3.87 trillion (a 48% increase in 10 years).
#2 Student loan debts have hit another all-time record high at more than $1.5 trillion dollars (an increase of almost 80% in 8 years).
#6 According to one recent study, the “rate of people 65 and older filing for bankruptcy is three times what it was in 1991”.

#5 Real wage growth in the US has recently declined by the most in 6 years.
#7 In 2018, already 57 major retailers have announced store closings.

#8 The size of the official US budget deficit is up 21% under President Trump.
#9 It is estimated that interest on the national debt will surpass half a trillion dollars for the first time in 2018.
#10 Goldman Sachs has estimated that the yearly US budget deficit will surpass $2 trillion dollars by 2028: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-13/10-numbers-prove-americas-current-financial-condition-horror-show

Firestarter

11-05-2018, 10:02 AM

According to The Washington Post, since Trump took office in January 2017, he’s told 6,420 lies in 649 days. During the first 9 months of his presidency, Trump made (only) an average of 5 inaccurate statements per day, but in the past 7 weeks, in the lead up to the US midterm elections, Trump has increased that to about 30 lies a day.

Journalist David Dale described “serial liar” Trump’s recent false statements as “whoppers” that are “complete fabrications”:
What is different about this period, these last couple months, is that he has changed it up and he has introduced a number of whoppers.
Complete fabrications that he had not been uttering before. These are not simply the usual exaggerations with crowd sizes and so on. He is making stuff up in the last couple weeks in a way that I don’t think we’ve seen — even from a serial liar like the president before.

I think in any other context than our roles as objective journalists, we would tell each that that was a lie. So I think if we want to regain the trust that has been lost in media we have to level with readers. We have to be seen to be straight shooters. I think in those cases the word is lie. https://www.newsweek.com/trump-telling-worse-lies-serial-liar-fact-checking-journalist-alleges-1200769

I hope that the media start telling the truth for a change, instead of the one-side propaganda that we’re spoon-fed with. I really wouldn’t want “objective journalists” to lose credibility.
See the panel discussion with David Dale.

https://youtu.be/eyXEF05x4gs

Firestarter

01-01-2019, 10:48 AM

Here’s another lie...
President Donald was criticised for not visiting the American troops that are fighting to make the oil corporation even richer...

When he finally visited the soldiers in Iraq, First Lady Melania for some reason got a loader cheer than Donald.

Donald finally got a huge response by telling them that he had personally given them a 10% raise.

You just got one of the biggest pay raises you've ever received. You haven’t gotten one in more than 10 years — more than 10 years. And we got you a big one. I got you a big one.

They said: 'You know, we could make it smaller. We could make it 3 percent. We could make it 2 percent. We could make it 4 percent.' I said: 'No. Make it 10 percent. Make it more than 10 percent. Because it's been a long time. It's been more than 10 years. That's a long time. And, you know, you really put yourselves out there, and you put your lives out there. So congratulations.

No force in history has done more for the cause of justice and peace. We are always going to protect you. And you just saw that because you just got one of the biggest pay raises you've ever received.

In reality, American troops have received a pay hike every year for decades.
The troops get only a 2.6% raise in 2019 and got 2.4% extra in 2018. That’s not 10%.

Basic pay for active duty soldiers ranges from $19,659 for a new private to $38,059 for a staff sergeant with 6 years experience: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-trump-brags-troops-about-10-percent-pay-raise-n952336

At about 19:00 Donald Trump starts boasting about the 10% raise.

https://youtu.be/x_u5zPWNlIs

XNavyNuke

01-01-2019, 01:52 PM

In reality, American troops have received a pay hike every year for decades.

Child, please. If you're ever going to make it as a big time infotainer, you need to go BIG. Decades are chicken feed. That might make a 13 yo ooh and ahh. A century, now that's impressive.

.U.S. Military Pay Raise History, 1794 to Present Day (https://www.navycs.com/charts/)

XNN

Firestarter

05-01-2019, 08:49 AM

President Donald yelled to a roaring crowd of Trump-retards:
With all that being said though, we have $450 billion, $110 billion of which is a military order, but this is equipment and various things ordered from Saudi Arabia, $450 billion.
I think it's over a million jobs. That's not helpful for us to cancel an order like that. That hurts us far more than it hurts them. https://youtu.be/48Nb8FxZxGA

Some party poopers rated this a “Pants on Fire” lie....

The Saudis haven´t bought anywhere near $110 billion in arms.
Nor has Saudi Arabia ordered anywhere near $450 billion worth of goods.

Total exports to Saudi Arabia in 2017 were $25.4 billion. “Only” $14.5 billion in arms sales has been agreed upon (not $450 billion or $110 billion). There is no reason at all to think that all of these will be bought though.
https://archive.is/LDigD/024e72485ff9b7c759d33c6613f12d46a1d2248d.jpg

The over one million jobs becomes quite ridiculous if you compare it to the offered exports to the Saudis.
In 2015, the US Commerce Department said exports supported “165,000 jobs" for a export total of $29.7 billion (that´s higher than in 2017). This means that the United States gets .0000056 per job on average.
If we take the $110 billion in arms sales as a “fact” (which it isn´t) they could generate more than 600,000 jobs. If we take the agreed upon $14.5 billion, this would support “only” 81,200 jobs.

The arms experts have said that arm sales typically take 3 or more years to complete. When you take this into account the $14.5 billion won´t be bought in 2019 alone and the amount of generated jobs would be even much lower: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/oct/23/donald-trump/donald-trump-touts-nonexistent-450-billion-saudi-o/

Stratovarious

05-01-2019, 09:29 AM

Why wouldn't you support people who are promoting liberty like Ron and Rand Paul if you favor liberty? That doesn't make any sense. That's like if you had a broken leg and you shot the medic who was coming to help you, or at minimum didn't help direct them toward where you were in the woods if they are looking for you. It should make people question your motivations for being here if you can't support people who are trying to help you get more liberty.

It sounds like you're not even paying attention to what is going on and all you do is watch Trevor Noah and John Oliver or some bull$#@!.

You don't realize you are being lied to by the media about Trump constantly.

It is true that Trump is not the perfect liberty candidate and he could be doing a lot better on foreign policy - but what he is, is he is better on liberty on the whole than the establishment and the establishment is attacking him for it and trying to take him out.

Ya, Rand's policies would be a lot better than Trump, although there is a pretty decent amount of overlap, and I can understand why the forum had the 'Neither Hillary nor Trump' logo, in fact I sported it because I didn't vote for Trump. All I did was discuss how the mainstream media was lying about him constantly. But I didn't know for certain what his motivations were, if he intended to win, if he was a spoiler or what.. When he won, and the media gnarled their teeth and became even more vicious, that was a pretty good signal that we were going to see some positive changes. Because the media is the enemy, if you don't know that, you're either dumb or you are purposefully obfuscating the reality of our existence.

-Rand Paul

Rand Paul has praised Trump numerous times for moving things in a positive direction.

What is the most important criticism you can give about Trump, there are some great accomplishments
to be sure, but what are the obvious 'Elephants in the room' regarding Trump's actions and pronouncements?

Firestarter

05-02-2019, 07:56 AM

Maybe it isn’t a total lie, because Trump did keep his promise to lower taxes for the big corporations and the filthy rich.
But is a little misleading...

Working families complain that the US Trump “tax reduction” takes more from them, while they expected the (promised) tax reduction.

https://youtu.be/J0kYS-mHMCs

Superfluous Man

05-02-2019, 08:07 AM

In 2016, Donald Trump promised that he could rid the US national debt of $19 trillion debt in 2 terms as president "over a period of eight years".

This is a great example of the kind of absolutely nonsensical fairy tale level of unkeepable promises Trump is famous for.

Nobody in their right minds could possibly have ever taken this seriously. He's the nuclear powered version of Joe Isuzu.

But that's the thing about his supporters. They choose to let themselves depart from their right minds while they listen to him. They let him take them away to a fairy tale land that if they stopped to think critically, they would know doesn't really exist. But they refuse to think critically and deflate that euphoric fantasy they have of him. It would be like expecting some scientifically accurate explanation for how the Avengers' superpowers work rather than just suspending disbelief and enjoying the movie. People like you are just fuddy duddies spoiling their good time.

Yes, it's true, that at the end of those 8 years, we'll actually have a much much larger debt, along with a bigger and more expensive government and less freedom. But we don't have to worry about any of that when we can just look in the mirror and hold a straight face while we ask ourselves, "Who's going to pay for it?" and then shout back to ourselves in reply, "Mexico!"

Firestarter

05-02-2019, 08:23 AM

But that's the thing about his supporters. They choose to let themselves depart from their right minds while they listen to him. They let him take them away to a fairy tale land that if they stopped to think critically, they would know doesn't really exist. But they refuse to think critically and deflate that euphoric fantasy they have of him. It would be like expecting some scientifically accurate explanation for how the Avengers' superpowers work rather than just suspending disbelief and enjoying the movie. People like you are just fuddy duddies spoiling their good time.
It looks to me like the Trump lies are even more blatant than those of Obama, Bush and Clinton. But I question whether it matters if they lie "only" part of the time or what looks like almost all the time (like in the Trump case).
My main reason for not voting is that politicians don't keep promises so I don't know what I'm voting for.

Yes, it's true, that at the end of those 8 years, we'll actually have a much much larger debt, along with a bigger and more expensive government and less freedom. But we don't have to worry about any of that when we can just look in the mirror and hold a straight face while we ask ourselves, "Who's going to pay for it?" and then shout back to ourselves in reply, "Mexico!"
Arguably it's the petrol dollar that makes it possible for the US army to keep on waging wars (and other types of interference in sovereign nations), while because of this they have the most powerful army, that nobody is able to stand up to...

If Hillary would have been president, the wars would have continued and the debt would have also increased.
It looks like every US president bombs more countries than the last!

Superfluous Man

05-02-2019, 08:35 AM

It looks to me like the Trump lies are even more blatant than those of Obama, Bush and Clinton.

They are. By far. And this is part of why his supporters don't even see them as lies at all, hence my allusion to Joe Isuzu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Isuzu).

Superfluous Man

05-02-2019, 08:36 AM

If Hillary would have been president, the wars would have continued and the debt would have also increased.

There's no doubt about that. But she wasn't brazen enough to promise that she would erase the entire national debt in 8 years either.

Firestarter

05-04-2019, 10:06 AM

In 2016, Donald Trump promised that he could rid the US national debt of $19 trillion debt in 2 terms as president "over a period of eight years".
Trump warned that the US is "sitting on a bubble right now that's going to explode": https://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/02/politics/donald-trump-national-debt/index.html

The new budget plan looks more like a ballooning deficit, that will likely swell debts and deficits.
According to Goldman Sachs, the budget bill will increase the US deficit by $1.1 trillion next year.
At more than $20 trillion, greater than the annual GDP, the United States' debt is already at its highest level since World War II. During Trump’s first 2 years in office, US federal government deficits have already driven the national debt up by $3 trillion – from $19.5 trillion to $22.5 trillion. That´s even faster than his predecessors, George Bush and Barack Obama.
The 2018 Trump tax cuts have reduced US government revenues by about $500 billion in 2018;add another $.5 trillion per year in the continuing of the Bush-Obama era tax cuts; another $.4 trillion in Trump war and other spending hikes during his first two years; and more than $.6 trillion in interest payments on the debt — and you reach the $3 trillion added to the national debt in 2017 and 2018.

When George Bush Jr. took office in 2001 the national debt was $5.6 trillion; it almost doubled in 8 years to approximately $10 trillion. When Obama left office in 2016 it had almost doubled again to $19.6 trillion.
Under President George Bush Jr. there were more than $4 trillion in tax cuts. The US army got several trillions additionally.
Obama cut another $300 billion in taxes in 2009 and then extended the Bush tax cuts, scheduled to expire in 2010, for two more years to 2012 (costing another $900 billion). Then came another $806 billion in tax cuts for business. In January 2013, Obama extend Bush’s tax cuts for another decade —costing a further $5 trillion until 2023.
Both Bush and Obama cut taxes by approximately $4 trillion each. And defense-war spending long term costs rose by $6 trillion in total. Roughly a $14 trillion increase to the $5.6 trillion debt of 2000.

To this Trump has since added another $3 trillion during, which adds up to the “current” $22.5 trillion.
The Treasury Advisory Committee recently warned the US Treasury that it will have to sell $12 trillion more US Treasury bonds, bills and notes, over the next decade, 2018-2028. That’s $12 trillion on top of $22.5 trillion national debt or a $34 trillion national debt by 2028!

Working families complain that the US Trump “tax reduction” takes more from them, while they expected the (promised) tax reduction.
In January 2018 the Trump tax cut provided $4.5 trillion tax reduction from 2018 to 2028, for businesses, multinational corporations, wealthy households, and investors. US multinationals alone get nearly half of that $4.5 trillion.
But starting this year, 2019, the middle class will begin paying for those tax reductions for corporate America, investors and the wealthy 1%. Already tax refunds for the average household are down 17%. The tax hike starts in earnest by 2022; middle class will pay $1.5 trillion in higher taxes by 2028.

Today’s $22.5 trillion, rising to $34 trillion, is just the US national government debt. Total US debt includes state and local government debt, household debt, corporate bond and business commercial & industrial loan debt, central bank balance sheet debt, and government agencies (GSEs) debt. Add these other forms of debt to the national debt makes the total debt in the US rises some $53 trillion. This lead to an estimated grand total US debt of more than $70 trillion by 2028 (the $900 billion a year in interest charges for the banksters is probably too low an estimate): https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/03/15/trumps-34-trillion-deficit-and-debt-bomb/
(archived here: http://archive.is/hzpeF)

Firestarter

05-06-2019, 09:55 AM

Brother Nathanael exposes Donald Trump as “The great pretender”.
EDIT - for some reason video was deleted by Youtube: https://youtu.be/6GfLA8eLQF0

dannno

05-06-2019, 10:06 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZMfhtKa-wo

Firestarter

05-23-2019, 10:49 AM

One of the “important” campaign promises that Donald Trump actually kept is that he didn´t keep any of his presidential salary, but instead donated it to selected “charities”. Some Trump retards have used this for an argument to call the Trump administration “givers” and Obama cronies as “takers”.
Many previous US presidents have also donated (part of their) salary to “charities”. President Obama donated part of his salary and also the complete amount he got from his Nobel Prize for “peace”: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-obama-salary-donations/

President Trump is also NOT the first president to profit from the presidency for (much) more than his presidential salary.
For example Bush Jr. and Cheney profitted by giving Halliburton all kinds of contracts to “rebuild” Iraq after the NATO invasion.

According to Forbes' Dan Alexander and Matt Drange, Trump takes at least $175 million from commercial tenants, including the state-owned Industrial & Commercial Bank of China.
Forbes noted that at least three dozen Trump tenants have "meaningful relationships with the federal government, from contractors to lobbying firms to regulatory targets".
We don’t know all of the companies because according to federal disclosure laws Trump isn’t required to tell where his businesses get their money.

Foreign governments have been trying to get on president Donald's good side, they've "donated public land, approved permits and eased environmental regulations for Trump-branded developments, creating a slew of potential conflicts as foreign leaders make investments that can be seen as gifts or attempts to gain access to the American president through his sprawling business empire".
The Chinese government has granted Trump at least 39 trademarks since he took office on top of the at least 7 for Donald´s daughter Ivanka Kushner.

Another way to “lobby” president Trump is to buy real estate from the Trump Organization. In 2017, Trump's companies sold more than $35 million in real estate.
In the year after he got the GOP presidential nomination in 2016, "70% of buyers of Trump properties were limited liability companies – corporate entities that allow people to purchase property without revealing all of the owners' names. That compares with about 4% of buyers in the two years before".
Some argue that this is suspicious because limited liability companies are especially founded to obscure buyers' identities.

Donald Trump spent one third of his first year in office visiting his own properties (all expenses paid of course). On top of that more than 100 executive branch officials and members of Congress visited Trump properties in 2017 alone.
At least 40 special interest groups held events at Trump properties and 11 foreign government's paid Trump businesses. The Kuwaiti Embassy, for example, held a National Day celebration at Trump's Washington hotel in 2017 and 2018.
Shortly after Trump was elected in 2016, an Asian diplomat explained:
Why wouldn't I stay at his hotel blocks from the White House, so I can tell the new president, 'I love your new hotel!' Isn't it rude to come to his city and say, 'I am staying at your competitor?' https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2018-03-05/how-is-donald-trump-profiting-from-the-presidency-let-us-count-the-ways
(archived here: http://web.archive.org/web/20190420231028/https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2018-03-05/how-is-donald-trump-profiting-from-the-presidency-let-us-count-the-ways (http://web.archive.org/web/20190420231028/https:/www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2018-03-05/how-is-donald-trump-profiting-from-the-presidency-let-us-count-the-ways))

Another interesting “gift” came from Putin crony Aras Agalarov, who on 17 June 2016 gave Donald Trump an expensive painting.
This was in the same month as the infamous meeting between Russians and Trump’s campaign team, which was about getting dirt on Hillary Clinton and/or adopting Russian children (maybe some pretty Russian girls?).

In the same period, several multimillion-dollar transactions transfers were done through Agalarov’s accounts.
On 3 June 2016, for example, Aras Agalarov transferred $3.3 million to the United States, facilitated by Agalarov’s representative Irakly Kaveladze, who also used his own accounts. $725,000 of it was reportedly used to pay the balance on Agalarov’s American Express credit card.

Russian-American oil executive Simon Kukes donated $280,000 to Trump’s joint fundraising committee and inaugural fund.
Kukes bragged to Vyacheslav Pavlovsky, who works at the Kremlin, that he was “actively involved” in the Trump campaign. Kukes attended Trump’s fundraisers and dined with Mike Pence and Rudy Giuliani. He also had “a very warm conversation” with the Soviet born Brit-American Len Blavatnik, who has generously donated to American political candidates and was a partner with Skull & Bones man Steven Mnuchin in Ratpac-dune: https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/2018/12/17/464235/following-the-money/
(archived here: http://web.archive.org/web/20190108205557/https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/2018/12/17/464235/following-the-money/ (http://web.archive.org/web/20190108205557/https:/www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/2018/12/17/464235/following-the-money/))

Firestarter

06-08-2019, 08:20 AM

President Donald yelled to a roaring crowd of Trump-retards: https://youtu.be/48Nb8FxZxGA

With all that being said though, we have $450 billion, $110 billion of which is a military order, but this is equipment and various things ordered from Saudi Arabia, $450 billion.
I think it's over a million jobs. That's not helpful for us to cancel an order like that. That hurts us far more than it hurts them.
It looks like President Donald has been working hard to get more jobs producing arms in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia...

In a May 24 letter, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo notified congressional leaders of the national emergency declaration, waiving congressional review for 22 separate arms sales to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates totaling $8.1 billion.
The arms package, previously blocked by Congress, includes 120,000 precision-guided bombs from Raytheon to the coalition. These will add to the tens of thousands of bombs that the Saudis and UAE have already stockpiled, so they could continue fighting in Yemen practically indefinitely. It also includes support for Saudi F-15 warplanes, mortars, anti-tank missiles and .50-caliber rifles.

The emergency declaration also allows Raytheon Company to build high-tech bomb parts in Saudi Arabia. This information was first reported last Monday.
The bomb parts to be jointly build by Raytheon and the Saudis include the control systems, guidance electronics and circuit cards for the Paveway “smart” bombs. According to Representative Ted Lieu, it seemed “to serve no purpose other than to forfeit our technology and prevent future congressional oversight”.
Possibly the Saudis will copy the technology and use it to produce their own weapons, which they could use for example in Yemen or sell to other countries (without US Congress having a say).

Raytheon executives have made their way into high-ranking positions.
In 2017, Raytheon’s former vice president for government relations, Mark T. Esper, became Army secretary.

According to the Times, Saudi Arabia has "ordered more than 27,000 missiles worth at least $1.8 billion from Raytheon alone" of which "about $650 million of those Raytheon orders came after the Saudi war in Yemen began".
In May 2017, Raytheon signed a deal to work closely with the Saudi Arabian Military Industries Company. It is unclear whether the new production deal is part of that plan.

On Wednesday, several Members of US Congress - , including Rand Paul, Lindsey Graham and Robert Menendez - announced that they would introduce “measures” against the arms deals. The “coalition” must just as terrified of the terrorist-supporting UN as the toothless Congress by now...
Rand Paul commented:
Few nations should be trusted less than Saudi Arabia. In recent years, they have fomented human atrocities, repeatedly lied to the United States and have proved to be a reckless regional pariah. It is concerning and irresponsible for the United States to continue providing them arms.
Is Saudi Arabia really worse than the US, UK, Israel or the Netherlands?!?

Malinowski, a top human rights official under President Obama, said the bombs will be used in Yemen, not for defending Saudi Arabia or UAE from Iran, as Trump administration officials have claimed: http://archive.is/8uqQe
(original here: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/07/us/saudi-arabia-arms-sales-raytheon.html)

Firestarter

07-21-2019, 09:43 AM

According to @devil21 (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=2727), Donald Trump on campaign trail promised to not hire lobbyists...

President Donald Trump made his hires sign an ethics pledge agreeing not to lobby the agencies where they work until 5 years after they leave.
Because Trump made a loophole that allows former officials to lobby on agency rule-making, this "pledge" is worthless as Trump officials can still sell their influence to corporate interests wanting to rig the rules against us (the slaves).

By May 2018, at least least 8 former Trump officials have become lobbyists.
At least 184 people, who have left the Trump administration have seemingly violated this pledge. Of those, at least six former officials are now registered lobbyists and several others work in roles that resemble lobbying (but with another name): https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/05/trump-promised-his-appointees-wouldnt-become-lobbyists-guess-how-that-turned-out/

At least 230 corporate lobbyists have joined the Trump administration.
Trump has also opened a luxury hotel 4 blocks from the White House, so lobbyists wanting to get favours can pay the Trump Organization the overpriced rates.

In June, at a rally launching his reelection campaign, President Donald once again promised to "drain the swamp", assuring the crowd of Trump retards "that's exactly what we're doing right now".
Trump continued with this beauty: "We stared down the unholy alliance of lobbyists and donors and special interests"...
Are we really so gullible that we can’t even see that Trump has filled his administration with “the swamp”?!?

We should be so happy that President Donald has the solution to homelessness in the US.
Donald has already ended homelessness in Washington, D.C.; as he explained:
I had a situation when I first became president. We had certain areas of Washington, D.C, where (homelessness) was starting to happen. I ended it very quickly. I said, 'You can't do that.'
As Trump explained to the Fox interviewer:
When you have leaders of the world coming to see the president ... they can't be looking at that.

You never guessed it, President Donald will simply outlaw homeless people (more slaves for prison!) so businesspeople and shoppers don't have to walk past the homeless: https://www.creators.com/read/jim-hightower/07/19/the-mad-corruptions-of-trump-inc

Just a reminder on what man has been made US president...
Ivanka Trump said in an interview:
I remember once my father and I were walking down Fifth Avenue and there was a homeless person sitting right outside of Trump Tower and I remember my father pointing to him and saying, ‘You know, that guy has $8 billion more than me,’ because he was in such extreme debt at that point, you know? (at 4:17 mark)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzCnnAbaHKM

PAF

07-21-2019, 10:11 AM

According to @devil21 (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=2727), Donald Trump on campaign trail promised to not hire lobbyists...

President Donald Trump made his hires sign an ethics pledge agreeing not to lobby the agencies where they work until 5 years after they leave.
Because Trump made a loophole that allows former officials to lobby on agency rule-making, this "pledge" is worthless as Trump officials can still sell their influence to corporate interests wanting to rig the rules against us (the slaves).

By May 2018, at least least 8 former Trump officials have become lobbyists.
At least 184 people, who have left the Trump administration have seemingly violated this pledge. Of those, at least six former officials are now registered lobbyists and several others work in roles that resemble lobbying (but with another name): https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/05/trump-promised-his-appointees-wouldnt-become-lobbyists-guess-how-that-turned-out/

At least 230 corporate lobbyists have joined the Trump administration.
Trump has also opened a luxury hotel 4 blocks from the White House, so lobbyists wanting to get favours can pay the Trump Organization the overpriced rates.

In June, at a rally launching his reelection campaign, President Donald once again promised to "drain the swamp", assuring the crowd of Trump retards "that's exactly what we're doing right now".
Trump continued with this beauty: "We stared down the unholy alliance of lobbyists and donors and special interests"...
Are we really so gullible that we can’t even see that Trump has filled his administration with “the swamp”?!?

We should be so happy that President Donald has the solution to homelessness in the US.
Donald has already ended homelessness in Washington, D.C.

The not popular solution is to recognize the very cause of this once declining problem. Sacrificing Liberty for Security is the consensus as of late, restricting the right to travel freely, promoting government eminent domain, eliminating private contract rights, while funding more lobbyists and global contractors to build a wall at tax payer expense.

Calling for an End to Welfare earns titles such as Leftist, anarchist, et al. I believe in striking at the root, stop the flow of money that funds the MIC who creates these very problems for profit.

Applying bandaid on top of bandaid such as walls and restricting freedom only lines the pockets of the MIC contractors who create the problem in the first place. It is a viscous cycle that “nationalists” (as opposed to individualist) do not want people to know about. There is a lot of vested interest in social-fascism.

That tax payer wall while taking rightful private property, more concentration camps giving aid and comfort, sacrificing Liberty for Security, I don’t buy that “solution” for a second when the only true solution is ending Welfare, corporatist and private.

Ron Paul is having an upcoming conference to address this very problem.

enhanced_deficit

07-21-2019, 11:33 AM

Firestarter

07-22-2019, 09:53 AM

Trump has not built a single mile of new border fence after 30 months in office (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?537060-Trump-has-not-built-a-single-mile-of-new-border-fence-after-30-months-in-office&)

Media can't have it both ways, first called MAGA's promised Wall too expensive but later did not give him credit for cutting that expense.
But on the other hand, Trump fans can't have it both ways either, often calling the Trump moves that contradict his campaign pledges - 3D-chess...

I have been accused of being a little too harsh on poor Donald a couple of times so far...
This includes accusations that I was just too fast, as Trump still has years (until the end of his second term) to set the record straight. As far as I can tell, Trump hasn't made good on any promises since I started this thread though.

And I think I can have it "both ways", as this thread was meant to be about Trump's broken campaign promises (I'm afraid that not all of it is on-topic).

From my point of view:
1) Trump has broken his promise to build the wall.
2) Trump won't fix the US debt like he promised, but will keep building up the debt (as he has been granted an unlimited credit by becoming president).

Firestarter

08-02-2019, 10:37 AM

During Trump’s first 2 years in office, US federal government deficits have already driven the national debt up by $3 trillion – from $19.5 trillion to $22.5 trillion. That´s even faster than his predecessors, George Bush and Barack Obama.
While President Donald promised to solve the debt, his reckless fiscal policies are piling on debt in spades. Donald still promises to make everything “great” in his second term as president...

On the eve of the Great Recession in 2008 the public and private debt burdens were far lower than they are in 2019.
In Q4 2007, public debt was $9.2 trillion versus $22 trillion in 2019, while total public and private debt has ballooned from $52.6 trillion in 2007 to $72.1 trillion today.
US Debt has reached $22 trillion nominally, but is actually going to $42 trillion in the next decade.

The low 2.0% seasonally adjusted annualised growth rate for Q2, is boosted by the 0.85% contribution to GDP growth from the government sector (that is paid for by more debt).
This compares to a 0.24% average contribution from the government sector during Donald’s first 9 quarters in office. If you only correct for the excess contribution (0.61%) from the government sector, there remains a mere 1.4% GDP growth rate.
The 1.8% gain in the year ending in June, is the lowest rate of gain since Q2 2014. The chart shows that Trump-O-Nomics hasn´t caused a sustained acceleration of growth, but a clear decelerating trend that should be a clear warning sign.
https://archive.is/eWhY2/7108af036cd08e200d620fde03eafe982558ac1a.jpg

There will be nearly a $150 billion annual increase in defense spending by 2021!
Even in real terms the FY 2020 budget for defense and nondefense discretionary programs (red bar) will virtually reach the Obama level (green bar), which occurred during the depths of the Great Recession. Besides that, entitlements and mandatory spending will grow to an estimated $3.320 trillion in 2020, from $1.915 trillion in 2010 (a 74% increase).
The budget deal will bring discretionary spending to almost a new record...
https://archive.is/eWhY2/26338e744deaa91a647b9a31f450a810c5e1ed08.jpg

If the bill – including tax cuts and increased spending – becomes law as expected, this will add another $4.1 trillion to the national debt until 2029.
More than half of that is due to increased spending and interest, NOT Donald’s tax cut, which is not working anyway. The pending spending deal (BBA 2019) will add $1.7 trillion, on top of the $445 billion added in last year’s deal.

Last week the US Department of Agriculture announced plans to will pay $16 billion (on top of the $12 billion already distributed) to aid farmers hurt by the trade war with China
Real business investment actually dropping 0.6% in Q2.
https://archive.is/eWhY2/7aa9231a5b6b4d921fa31aff2643d42ccd710518.jpg
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/08/david-stockman/the-donald-means-maba-the-great-fiscal-miscreant-will-make-america-broke-again/

spudea

08-02-2019, 10:55 AM

Here's what this thread is like: Ron Paul promised to end the fed, but after 24 years in Congress the fed still exists. Ron Paul is a failure and a loser and nobody should support him.

brushfire

08-02-2019, 11:16 AM

Here's what this thread is like: Ron Paul promised to end the fed, but after 24 years in Congress the fed still exists. Ron Paul is a failure and a loser and nobody should support him.
Not to put words in your mouth, but are suggesting we give Trump 24 years to put hillary in jail, repeal obamacare, etc? Are you hopeful that he will make good on promises to audit the fed in his second term? Is this the "perfection is the enemy of good" argument you are trying to make?

Superfluous Man

08-02-2019, 11:19 AM

Here's what this thread is like: Ron Paul promised to end the fed, but after 24 years in Congress the fed still exists. Ron Paul is a failure and a loser and nobody should support him.

When did Ron Paul promise to do that?

spudea

08-02-2019, 11:23 AM

When did Ron Paul promise to do that?

Exactly. Similarly, the op contains many false statements.

spudea

08-02-2019, 11:27 AM

As far as I can tell, Trump hasn't made good on any promises since I started this thread though.

For one, NAFTA has been terminated and negotiated a new trade deal. There are many more but you don't appear to care to be informed, just posting to be anti Trump.

Superfluous Man

08-02-2019, 12:19 PM

Exactly. Similarly, the op contains many false statements.

But that's where your analogy fails. Trump made stupid promises any fool could tell he could never keep. And sure enough, he broke them.

That's not at all like Ron Paul supporting a policy and never making baseless promises that he could implement it.

spudea

08-02-2019, 12:24 PM

But that's where your analogy fails. Trump made stupid promises any fool could tell he could never keep. And sure enough, he broke them.

That's not at all like Ron Paul supporting a policy and never making baseless promises that he could implement it.

No, the original post contains many false statements of promises that were never made.

Zippyjuan

08-02-2019, 02:33 PM

How is that $ trillion infrastructure rebuilding plan going?

Firestarter

08-04-2019, 10:38 AM

Some talk about the Trump Derangement Syndrome, but unfortunately the “doublethink” problem is much bigger than that...

In our “mediacracy” it’s really the media that decide who get elected. The same elite that control the media are the ones that can reward (the family of) corrupt politicians for their “work”.
As a result policiticians simply have no reason to handle in our best interests or keep their promises.

Donald Trump was certainly not the first to run for US president on a campaign that stressed being an outsider...
The main (or only) difference between Donald and other politricksters, is that others usually are more careful in how they word their lies and break their promises, while Donald has even more contempt for the voters. Donald has even made promises that are so preposterous that only the most brainwashed idiots could believe them.

Before Trump enter politics, he was already know to be a pathological liar.

In 2016, the Trump campaign claimed to have made $102 million in charitable donations over the past 5 years.
The list provided by Trump included contributions like free rounds of golf at Trump's courses offered at charity auctions and land-conservation agreements or money originating from the Trump Foundation.
The Trump Foundation's second-biggest listed donation went to the charity of a man who had settled a lawsuit with one of Trump's golf courses after being denied a hole-in-one prize.

The Post's Fahrenthold looked for but found only one gift, of less than $10,000, between 2008 and May 2016 – in total - coming from Trump (instead of $102 million).
In May 2016, months after making a pledge, Trump donated $1 million to a veterans' charity and also in 2016 donated $100,000 to a charity for relief efforts after the floods in Louisiana.

In 2013, the Trump Foundation made an illegal $25,000 political contribution to the "And Justice for All" campaign for Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi.
When this illegal contribution was published in the media in 2016, Trump moved $25,000 from his personal account to his foundation and paid a $2,500 IRS fine.

Trump has repeatedly claimed making donations to charities, when in reality he merely redirects money that comes from outside donors.
In this way he’s taking credit for simply passing charitable donations along.

The Trump Foundation has bought stuff at charity auctions. This includes $20,000 for a painting of Trump in 2007 and $12,000 for a football helmet signed by NFL quarterback Tim Tebow in 2012. The whereabouts of those 2 items are unknown.
You can’t call it “charity” if Trump uses his foundation to buy things he wants for himself...

Many of the contributions to the Trump foundation appear to be disguised payments to Trump himself.
People Magazine donated $150,000 after it received rights to publish photos of Trump's son, Barron. Comedy Central donated $400,000 after Trump appeared on one of its celebrity roasts.
Trump often gave foundation donations to groups that repaid by holding and paying for events at his properties.

After the Trump Foundation received $150,000 from the Charles Evans Foundation, Trump donated to the Palm Beach Police Foundation.
Donald Trump made a nice profit from the annual charity dinner of the Police Foundation at the Mar-a-Lago club. In 2014, for example, the charity paid $276,463 in rental fees to Trump.

In 2009 the Trump foundation donated $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation.
In 2014, the Trump Foundation donated to several dozen “charitable” groups, including the drug-trafficking censorship crooks of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL): https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37369515

Firestarter

08-09-2019, 10:17 AM

11. Trump's government didn’t declare China to be a currency manipulator.
I'm surprised that Trump fans haven't made a big deal of Trump keeping another promise...

Just an hour after China devalued the yuan, Bloomberg reported that the Chinese government ordered its state-owned enterprises "to suspend imports of U.S. agricultural products after President Donald Trump ratcheted up trade tensions with the Asian nation last week".
China’s state-run firms have now stopped buying American farm goods.

China's offshore yuan collapsed below 7/USD - after the PBOC fixed the onshore yuan below 6.90 for the first time in 2019 - to its weakest on record against the dollar.
The Trump administration has declared China to be a "currency manipulator": https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-04/currency-war-begins-chinese-yuan-crashes-past-7usd-record-low

Isn’t it strange that with all of the media hysteria on the “trade war” with China, earlier this year the Frontier Services Group of the brother of Donald’s Secretary of education Betsy DeVos, Erik Prince (of Blackwater fame), signed a deal to build a training centre in Xinjiang in China?!?
According to the United Nations, in Xinjiang up to a million Uighur Muslims are held in extrajudicial mass incarceration camps.

Frontier is doing lots of business in China, and also works for Chinese companies in Africa: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/01/blackwater-founder-erik-prince-to-build-training-camp-in-chinas-xinjiang

Here’s another interesting tale that involves the inner circle of Donald Trump and China.
Earlier this year, Donald Trump’s good friend, New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft was arrested in Florida for having sex with a prostitute at the Orchids of Asia “massage parlour”.

Around 2013, Hua Zhang had bought the “massage parlour” from Cindy Li Yang.
Zhang was charged with running a house of prostitution and has pleaded not guilty.

Cindy Li Yang is the interesting one, who used her money to get close to the Trump cabinet.
Cindy Li Yang and her relatives have donated more than $42,000 to Trump Victory and more than $16,000 to president Donald’s campaign committee since 2017.

In 2017, Cindy Li Yang and husband Zubin Gong founded the GY US Investments LLC consulting firm that on its website (in Chinese) sold access to President Donald Trump and his family at the Mar-a-Lago. GY US suggest it can set up a “White House and Capitol Hill Dinner” and boasts it has “arranged taking photos with the President”.
The GY US Investments website listed upcoming events at Mar-a-Lago at which Yang’s clients can mingle with the Trump family. This included the International Leaders Elite Forum, where Trump’s sister, Elizabeth Trump Grau, would speak.
According to the site, attendees include “Chinese elites from various countries, including the US states, as well as elite leaders from Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau, Australia, Europe and other countries and regions”.

To argue that GY US really can provide access to Donald and the Trump family, Cindy Li Yang ´s Facebook page contains photos of her with Donald Trump, his sons Eric and Donald Jnr, Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross, Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao, Florida Governor Rick DeSantis, Senator Rick Scott, Sarah Palin, and White House aide Kellyanne Conway.
See Cindy Li Yang with US President Donald Trump in a photo signed byTrump.
https://archive.is/ega8P/79ec21e8b0901fdf08d8ef1ef3016f722e972091.JPG

GY US Investments LLC´s website claims that “GY Company arranged a number of guests to attend the 2019 New Year’s Eve dinner” and the guests took photos with ”members of Trump’s family”. This page showed photos of Chinese executives and a Chinese movie star with Eric and Donald Trump Jr. and Elizabeth Trump Grau.
Huachu Tang, the owner of an electric car company, was one of the Chinese executives at the New Year’s event. Huachu Tang said that he travelled to Florida in the hope of meeting Trump at the party to build up his company’s name before taking it public on the New York Stock Exchange. Huachu Tang received admission to the New Year’s party through a public relations agency (it hasn’t been confirmed that this is GY US).
Trump wasn’t at this event, but Huachu Tang and his wife were pictured with Donald Jr., Eric Trump, and Trump Grau. See Huachu Tang with Don Jr.
https://archive.is/hMVUO/6ac2bdd3d6bd8d525655c08cdd09b52c4a877fbb.png
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/03/a-florida-massage-parlor-owner-has-been-selling-chinese-execs-access-to-trump-at-mar-a-lago/
(archived here: http://archive.is/hMVUO)

Firestarter

10-16-2019, 08:59 AM

At least 230 corporate lobbyists have joined the Trump administration.
Trump has also opened a luxury hotel 4 blocks from the White House, so lobbyists wanting to get favours can pay the Trump Organization the overpriced rates.

In June, at a rally launching his reelection campaign, President Donald once again promised to "drain the swamp", assuring the crowd of Trump retards "that's exactly what we're doing right now".
Trump continued with this beauty: "We stared down the unholy alliance of lobbyists and donors and special interests"...
Are we really so gullible that we can’t even see that Trump has filled his administration with “the swamp”?!?

There are now already 281 lobbyists installed by the Trump administration...

The President's swamp draining is not getting enough recognition. The Obama administration appointed so many swamp dwellers to various offices that it left room to only appoint about 65 lobbyists to any positions in the administration in 5 years. Trump has appointed 281 lobbyists in half as much time. That's 281 posts filled by lobbyists instead of lizard people.

https://www.propublica.org/article/we-found-a-staggering-281-lobbyists-whove-worked-in-the-trump-administration

Firestarter

11-07-2019, 08:56 AM

Swordsmyth

11-07-2019, 04:31 PM

Donald Trump promised that as president he would make the trade deficit disappear.

In the first 9 months of 2019, the trade deficit for goods and services jumped to $481 billion, up 5.4% compared to 2018.
US exports fell by $7 billion, while imports grew by $17.8 billion from the previous year.

The trade deficit fell in September, but economists have warned that you can’t make sound conclusions based on only one month.

According to CFR member Brad Setser (please don’t ask me to explain this economic double talk…): https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/trump-vowed-to-shrink-the-trade-gap-it-keeps-growing/ar-AAJTqg9

The US trade balance (deficit) shrank in September (from -$55.0bn to -$52.5bn), improving by 6.5% YoY - the biggest shrinkage in the deficit since Sept 2016...

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Overall exports decreased 0.9% to $206 billion while imports slid 1.7% to $258.4 billion.
Trade with China has tumbled since the tariff war began in earnest in 2018. In the first nine months of 2019, merchandise imports from China are down 13.5% and exports to the country have dropped 14.6%, according to Commerce Department data.
The trade balance with China improved sequentially for the second month in a row, and has improved YoY for nine months in a row...

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More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/...-trade-tumbles (https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/us-deficit-shrinks-most-3-years-china-trade-tumbles)

Firestarter

11-08-2019, 08:39 AM

The US trade balance (deficit) shrank in September (from -$55.0bn to -$52.5bn), improving by 6.5% YoY - the biggest shrinkage in the deficit since Sept 2016...
Do you believe that is very, very important information, or do you just post whatever you can in support of president Donald?!?

In September, the overall trade deficit in goods and services narrowed slightly from August to $52.5 billion, continuing several months of decline as imports fell more than exports. But economists typically caution against reading too much into figures from a single month, which can be volatile.

Firestarter

01-18-2020, 09:34 AM

The following was posted in another thread, and I think it fits in here…

When asked about Clinton prosecution promise, Trump says he doesn't want to hurt them, they're good people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPK7uStv6zA

In response to a crowd chanting ‘lock her up’ Trump said “Naw, stop that. No, forget it. That played great, before the election. Now we don’t care right?”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=lojUM9wihfI

Trump also admits “drain the swamp” was just a campaign trick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3GBFrabGrc

Donald Trump (like some of his associates) has denied over and over again that he knows Lev Parnas or Igor Fruman. The problem is that he has been pictured over and over and over again with Parnas (there’s even a video of the 2 of them together.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7896531/Furious-Donald-Trump-DENIES-knowing-Lev-Parnas-saying-just-took-photos-together.html

See Igor Fruman and Lev Parnas (second and third from left) pictured with Vice President Mike Pence (who has likewise denied knowing them), President Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani.
http://archive.is/LEa2A/ba9472f064ed73629b60e97ac2eb774b5107e4b2.jpg

See Parnas with Ivanka and Jared Kushner.
http://archive.is/LEa2A/831ec2914710a1be6c010c6672163db22d46af0a.jpg

Firestarter

02-01-2020, 08:24 AM

Firestarter

02-19-2020, 08:13 AM

3. Mexico won’t pay for a border wall.
I always thought that Donald Trump’s campaign promise to build a border wall to protect the USA from all of those Latino Muslims was a complete charade.

Experts estimated that a border wall along 1,300 miles (2,100 km) would cost as much as $20 million per mile ($12.5 million/km), with a total cost of $45 billion, with the cost of private land acquisitions and fence maintenance making it even more expensive.
Maintenance of the wall could cost up to $750 million a year (not paid for by Mexico of course): http://archive.is/91bgj

I was surprised that President Donald actually abused his powers with the partial government shutdown for 35 days followed by declaring a “national emergency” about a year ago to get the wall funded.
Even though this violates the US Constitution for some reason this hasn’t been made into a valid reason for impeachment of president Trump: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-shutdown-emergency/trump-declares-emergency-for-border-wall-house-panel-launches-probe-idUSKCN1Q420N

Donald’s beautiful “impenetrable” border wall has already cost the US taxpayer $11 billion.
It can be knocked over with a brisk wind, cut through with a cheap saw and climbed over with a basic ladder: https://americasvoice.org/press_releases/trumps-impenetrable-border-wall-will-permit-easy-entry-of-smugglers-and-migrants-for-months-every-summer/
(http://archive.is/IxIov)

On 14 February 2020, Donald extended his US-Mexico border “national emergency” for another year.
I was also surprised that the billions of dollars in funds are diverted from the Department of Defense to fund border wall construction: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/14/trump-450-miles-border-wall-115339

Now with the accounting practices of the Department of Defense being nothing but a sick joke it suddenly makes sense. This gives Trump and his cronies ample opportunity to launder the money and transfer it to offshore accounts: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?499341-Audit-Reveals-The-Pentagon-Doesn%92t-Know-Where-6-5-Trillion-Dollars-Has-Gone/page2

This could also explain that Trump associates Jeffrey Epstein, Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen and Roger Stone were locked up, as with these crooks out of the way Donald can take a bigger slice of the billions.
This could possibly also explain the huge amount of dismissed officials from Trump’s team: http://archive.is/bKeHV

Firestarter

02-19-2020, 11:41 AM

In February 2019, the following list of companies to profit from Trump’s border wall was published.

SLSCO, founded by brothers Todd, Billy and Johnny Sullivan, scored $310 million in contracts for border-security.

Montana-based Barnard Construction Co., founded by Tim Barnard, won a $172 million contract to build 32 miles of wall in Arizona.

Companies focused on high-tech border security that could benefit include.
Israel’s Elbit Systems (of America?);
Israel-based Magal Security Systems: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/here-are-the-companies-poised-to-profit-from-the-trump-border-wall-2019-02-22

According to the following, the buddy of Ivanka and Jared Kushner, British-based “Russian” oligarch Roman Abramovich, will profit from the US-Mexico border wall.
Abramovich through Russia's second-largest steel company Evraz controls 3 American steel companies (in Pueblo Colorado, in Portland Oregon and in Chicago): http://archive.is/78Hcl

Canadian steel billionaire Barry Zekelman has lobbied Trump for steel tariffs and his Wheatland Tube contributed $1.75 million to a pro-Trump super PAC. Atlas Tube is the Chicago-based division of Zekelman Industries supplies a huge amount of steel for the border wall in Arizona, where Trump intervened to help a bidder that was originally rejected.
Foreigners aren’t allowed to directly influence US policy, but hey, this is the land of the free!
On 30 April 2018, Barry Zekelman met Donald and Don Jr Trump to talk about steel tariffs in the presence of none other than Lev Parnas. After the 25% import tariff on steel, sales at Zekelman’s U.S. plants surged.

An $891 million contract for 43 miles of wall on the Cabeza Prieta Wildlife Refuge was awarded to Southwest Valley Constructors, the New Mexico-based affiliate of Kiewit Corporation.

The rest of the wall on Cabeza Prieta will be built by Fisher Sand and Gravel, whose owner Tommy Fisher, led a “whirlwind media campaign” and paid lobbyists more than $100,000 to get wall contracts. This included the efforts of Senator Kevin Cramer.
Reportedly Trump and son-in-law Jared Kushner personally urged the head of the Army Corps to award a $268 million contract to Fisher, even after his bid was rejected. The value of the contract could rise to nearly $400 million: http://archive.is/Pbt1J

dannno

02-19-2020, 11:48 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZMfhtKa-wo

Firestarter

02-21-2020, 12:00 PM

It would seem "logical" that Roman Abramovich is somehow involved in supplying the steel for the border wall, but I haven't been able to confirm this...

On 24 January 2017, one of President Donald Trump’s first actions in office was to sign an executive order to approve the Keystone XL (owned by TransCanada).

40 percent of the steel for the Keystone XL pipeline, by 2015 550 miles of steel pipe was manufactured in Canada by a subsidiary of Evraz; for 31% owned by Russian Lubavitcher Roman Abramovich, who’s close to both Putin and Trump.
Evraz owns 3 steel mills in the US, but the pipes for Keystone XL project were produced in its Regina mill in Saskatchewan, Canada: https://www.desmogblog.com/2017/02/13/abramovitch-putin-keystone-xl-steel

Roman Abramovich’s Evraz Group SA also produces 75% of the pipes for the Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain pipeline in Canada. Most of it is also produced in Evraz’s Regina mill.
Abramovich once gave a $25-million yacht to his long-time ally Vladimir Putin: https://theenergymix.com/2018/05/18/exclusive-justin-trudeaus-devil-of-a-pipeline-deal/

Firestarter

01-20-2021, 02:39 PM

Donald's 2016 campaign slogan was "Make America Great Again" (maga - witch in Latin) but his most important promise was "Drain the swamp".
Donald apparently saved the best swamp draining for last!

Steve Bannon was pardoned after he had taken a cut from the $25 million that hundreds of thousands of gullible Trump supporters donated to build a private part of the US-Mexico border wall (what will happen to the great wall with Biden president?).

Elliott Broidy got much publicity for paying off a Playboy playmate to keep quiet, and after that boasted that he had an affair with her that got her pregnant!
Donald pardoned Steve Mnuchin's long-time friend Broidy after he pleaded guilty over a scheme to lobby the Trump administration to drop an investigation into the looting of a Malaysian wealth fund.
But it looks like his dirty business in the UAE is more interesting.

Ken Kurson, a friend of Ivanka Trump's husband Jared Kushner was charged with cyberstalking his ex-wife.
Donald pardoned another friend of the family.

Salomon Melgen was convicted of healthcare fraud and perjury. Donald commuted his sentence.

Kwame Kilpatrick, former Mayor of Detroit, was in prison for almost 7 years for a racketeering and bribery scheme while.
He was forced to resigned as mayor in 2008, and was sentenced to 28 year.

Rick Renzi, former Arizona Representative, was convicted of extortion, bribery, insurance fraud, money laundering, and racketeering in 2013 and sentenced to 2 years in prison.
Donald granted him a full pardon.

Duke Cunningham, ex-California representative, was convicted of taking $2.4 million in bribes from arms companies: Aleph-and-Dershowitz-lobby-for-Trump-pardons (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?552028-Aleph-and-Dershowitz-lobby-for-Trump-pardons&p=7016206&viewfull=1#post7016206)

enhanced_deficit

01-27-2021, 12:01 PM

Another broken promise:

Donald Trump: Putin would return 'total traitor' Snowden if I'm president (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?480815-Donald-Trump-Putin-would-return-total-traitor-Snowden-if-I-m-president&)

Related

Donald Trump on Edward Snowden: Kill the ‘traitor’ (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?420072-Donald-Trump-on-Edward-Snowden-Kill-the-‘traitor’&)

Firestarter

02-28-2021, 03:06 AM

Corbett report on Precedent Trump promises to... lock up Hillary, end the wars, vaccines...
With the conclusion that politics is as real as a 3 dollar bill, and we need to... stop voting.

https://youtu.be/BCCtnvQ78DI

Firestarter

04-27-2021, 02:30 PM

I always thought that lying Donald promised to decrease the amount corruption with his "Drain the swamp" slogan.
Already in February 2017, US President Donald Trump repealed the Cardin-Lugar rule, under the Dodd-Frank Act, that forced oil companies to disclose payments to foreign governments to secure oil or mining deals (a.k.a. bribes, kickbacks, or commissions).

Trump and the oil companies claimed that it would be unfair competition if the oil companies in other countries could get their hand on lucrative deals, while America's oil couldn't bribe them just the same (if I understand correctly?).
And that this would create oil jobs in the US.

So now corruption is needed to create jobs? I thought that corruption enriches the lucky few and especially politicians in high places...
Repealing this disclosure rule wouldn't only apply to US companies, but also to foreign oil companies, so this couldn't make US companies more "competitive": https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/14/trump-and-gop-killed-energy-corruption-rule-for-no-good-reason-advocates-say.html

Firestarter

10-23-2021, 02:41 PM

Donald Trump (like some of his associates) has denied over and over again that he knows Lev Parnas or Igor Fruman. The problem is that he has been pictured over and over and over again with Parnas (there’s even a video of the 2 of them together.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7896531/Furious-Donald-Trump-DENIES-knowing-Lev-Parnas-saying-just-took-photos-together.html

See Igor Fruman and Lev Parnas (second and third from left) pictured with Vice President Mike Pence (who has likewise denied knowing them), President Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani.
http://archive.is/LEa2A/ba9472f064ed73629b60e97ac2eb774b5107e4b2.jpg

See Parnas with Ivanka and Jared Kushner.
http://archive.is/LEa2A/831ec2914710a1be6c010c6672163db22d46af0a.jpg
A jury found Rudy Giuliani's associate Lev Parnas guilty of breaking campaign finance laws.
Parnas and his associate Igor Fruman illegally funneled at least $156,000 in political donations from Russian businessman Andrey Muraviev.
Parnas also illegally made a $325,000 contribution to a pro-Trump super PAC through a shell company from another source.
Parnas and Fruman also concealed that they were the true source of a donation in support of then-President Donald.

Igor Fruman already pleaded guilty in September. He is scheduled to be sentenced next 21 January.
Another associate of Giuliani and Parnas, David Correia, plead guilty to defrauding investors in a fraud where Giuliani was paid a $500,000 consulting fee. Correia has already been sentenced to a year in prison.

Co-defendant Andrey Kukushkin was found guilty, together with Parnas, for facilitating the campaign donations paid for with his Russian boss's money (Muraviev).
Parnas can be sentenced to a maximum 45 years in prison and Kukushkin 15 years.

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis also received part of the $1 million that Parnas and Fruman received from Muraviev in campaign donations.
See (from left), Parnas, Trump lawyers Pam Bondi and Giuliani and DeSantis.
https://archive.md/EhqlL/d81dbd6a70a2a143d744cd71f08c1496cb238b9a.jpg
https://www.dw.com/en/giuliani-associate-lev-parnas-convicted-on-campaign-finance-charges/a-59602295
(https://archive.md/fn1SK)

TheCount

10-23-2021, 05:10 PM

Remember when the forum was full of slobbering, drooling Trumpkin sycophants? Good thing that ended.

Firestarter

10-23-2021, 11:49 PM

Remember when the forum was full of slobbering, drooling Trumpkin sycophants?
You've probably been accused of even worse by the Trump fans...

Donald's adoring crowd has accused me of being an operative for the "deep state".
I even made the hall of fame of some Trump cheerleader (I forgot the name), in his signature, as a "tax troll" together with some infamous long-time RPF members with literally ten thousands of posts, like TheCount, Enhanced deficit and Devil21!

Firestarter

10-07-2023, 11:46 AM

On 14 February 2020, Donald extended his US-Mexico border “national emergency” for another year.
I was also surprised that the billions of dollars in funds are diverted from the Department of Defense to fund border wall construction: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/14/trump-450-miles-border-wall-115339
Is Joe Biden sabotaging his own re-election campaign?!?

In 2020, Biden promised that building of the Mexican border wall would be stopped completely if he would become president, promising that not “another foot of wall constructed on my administration.”.
Now it is widely reported that Biden uses his “executive power” to waive 26 federal laws in South Texas, to continue (or restart) building the wall. So while he’s breaking his own promise, he’s keeping Donald’s.

This will cost Biden votes from Americans that:
1) oppose the wall;
2) support the environmental green agenda as the laws waived were environmental laws. This could damage him even more now that eco-fascist RFK Jr. will run for president as an independent.

This could actually help get Biden some votes from people that oppose the mass illegal immigration in Texas. But instead he tells the story that he couldn’t spend the money on other things because of Congress.
Like it would be a terrible waste to not spend “appropriated” money to maybe reduce the US government deficit?!? And this doesn’t explain why he would waive those 26 laws.
https://www.factcheck.org/2023/10/bidens-border-wall-explained/

Firestarter

10-23-2023, 12:50 PM

Isn’t there a chance that even his gullible fans find out that Trump lies even more than other politicians?!?

After Sidney Powell pleaded guilty for her role in the voter fraud fraud, in another sweetheart deal, Trump suddenly claimed that Powell “WAS NOT MY ATTORNEY, AND NEVER WAS”.

On 15 November 2020, Donald posted on Twitter that Powell had joined his “truly great” legal team.
On 19 November 2020, Rudy Giuliani (who received a pardon from president Trump) introduced Powell as one of the members of Trump’s legal team, saying, “We’re representing President Trump and we’re representing the Trump campaign”: https://archive.ph/T6W8P

I think that this is one of those easy ways to cover up (another) scandal, probably involving Mike Flynn (that also got a pardon from president Trump)…
Does this explain the Hamas false flag terror attack, and subsequent war against Gaza by Israel that looks to be about the Leviathan gas field?!?
.

In one of those strange “coincidences” in October 2022, the Al-Monitor reported on “secret bilateral talks” between Egypt and Israel in 2021-22, about “the extraction of natural gas off the coast of the Gaza Strip”.
This led to a February 2021 Memorandum of Understanding between Egypt and Israel, which was agreed upon with the Palestinian National Authority (Hamas and/or Hezbollah?!?) that would have to start “at the beginning of 2024” (is the timing of this war just another “coincidence”?).

The Egyptian official explained that Israel required the start of practical measures to extract gas from the Gaza fields at the beginning of 2024, to ensure its own security.
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According to the Times of Israel (this seems to confirm that Hamas was indeed involved in the plot to help Israel and Egypt steal the Palestinian gas!):

Hamas was treated as a partner to the detriment of the Palestinian Authority to prevent Abbas from moving towards creating a Palestinian State. Hamas was promoted from a terrorist group to an organization with which Israel conducted negotiations through Egypt, and which was allowed to receive suitcases containing millions of dollars from Qatar through the Gaza crossings.
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The energy companies involved are: “Houston, Texas based Noble Energy and partners Delek Drilling, Avner Oil Exploration and Ratio Oil Exploration. Also involved is Perth, Australia-based Woodside Petroleum”:
...
On 9 august 2016, Michael Flynn signs a contract with the “Dutch” Inovo. Flynn’s company, Flynn Intel Group, will be paid $600,000 for 3 months.
...
In the interview with the NRC, Alptekin said the funds for the Flynn project came from payments from Ratio Oil Exploration, an Israeli natural gas company
...
In 2013, Secretary of State John Kerry held $1 million of Noble’s stock.Michael-Flynn-Inovo-and-Erdogan (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?513623-Michael-Flynn-Inovo-and-Erdogan&p=7196723&viewfull=1#post7196723)