Explain To Me How Trump Differs From The Generic Democrat

[r3volution 3.0]

Focusing on policy...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bz-kIwq9xg

Go

[jkr]

We put an "R" next to his name...

I stole that from Tron.

[nikcers]

he's like Rand Paul on steroids...

http://img2.thejournal.ie/inline/2134218/original?width=628&version=2134218

[Dr.3D]

This folks is how to get one democrat to run against another for president and have the republicans help vote one of them in.

[nikcers]

Since the change of the political party in charge has not made a difference who's really in charge? -Ron Paul

[r3volution 3.0]

"I think she's a wonderful woman. I think that she's a little bit misunderstood. You know, Hillary's a very smart woman, very tough woman, that's fine, but she's also a very nice person. And I know Hillary and I know her husband very well; they're fine people." --Donald Trump

[specsaregood]

How many democrats voted for the tax bill that just passed? The one that eliminated the Obamacare mandate and Trump signed?

[oyarde]

I see no significant difference in foreign policy or spending . On things like taxes and second amendment probably even Rinos and establishment GOP are better than a generic dem. Thats about it .

[Krugminator2]

It is a brain-dead question. Secondly, that clip doesn't address policy at all.

Would ANY Democrat have put Neil Gorsuch on Supreme Court? No. Therefore Trump is different and better than every single Democratic alternative.

Trump repealed net neutrality, coal regulations, the health care mandate, lowered the corporate income tax, did that health association thing Rand was pushing, approved drugs at double the rate that were approved last year, and didn't get involved in Syria like Hillary would have.

Overall, I give his first year an A- and that is without grade inflation. That is a real A-. The things that he is terrible on like the wall, tariffs, and infrastructure boondoggles are never going to happen. Nobody is saying he has principles. I am only looking at results It is hard to imagine Ron Paul having a more successful first year.

[timosman]

A better question would be how does rev 3.0 differ from a generic democrat?

[r3volution 3.0]

How many democrats voted for the tax bill that just passed? The one that eliminated the Obamacare mandate and Trump signed?

The tax cut without any spending cut?

Yes, that means more borrowing/printing.

So, GOP stands for borrow/print and spend, while Dem stands for tax and spend.

[insert gif of shocked and horrified Jefferson]


Would ANY Democrat have put Neil Gorsuch on Supreme Court? No.

Will Gorsuch actually vote against unconstitutional policies?

No, the answer is no, he won't.

O, sure, he'll vote the right way on some trivial culture war shit, but when it comes to commerce clause, he's a useless bitch.

Watch.

The rest (and above too) is Mitt Romney (i.e. nothing).

[navy-vet]

Well, Trumps going after the postal service now. No dim would ever do that. No dim would have put Gorsuch on the Supreme court either, nor would they go after Planned Parenthood.... he's no dim as far as I can tell.

[dannno]

Trump is a great buffer against groups like the SPLC using the government to harass liberty folks and suppress free speech on the right compared to a Democrat, especially one like Hillary Clinton.

[dannno]

I will be getting a nice tax break next year, which I'll start seeing in my upcoming paychecks.

http://www.politicaltheology.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/TLJFPT.jpg

[dannno]

Gorsuch

[dannno]

Health insurance mandate is goners

http://www.politicaltheology.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/TLJFPT.jpg

[dannno]

Against more gun control despite the Vegas shooting and others

http://0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/60/24/7bd755ec459ac663b99d36b4ac188f76.jpg

[dannno]

1 year down, 7 to go.

[Krugminator2]

The rest (and above too) is Mitt Romney (i.e. nothing).

Don't agree Trump is the same as Romney but even then Romney is preferable to the median Democrat.

A Hugo Chavez and Castro sympathizer, who explicitly said the American Dream is more likely to be realized in Venezuela, won 23 states. The average Democrat wants America to be France.

Schiff said he didn't have to do much to get this video. These delegates are the Democratic Party.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07fTsF5BiSM

[oyarde]

Avg Dem in national terms , house , senate and pres candidates are hard core communists for certain . Establishment Pubs are more mild like the socialist party .

[r3volution 3.0]

Don't agree Trump is the same as Romney but even then Romney is preferable to the median Democrat.

A Hugo Chavez and Castro sympathizer, who explicitly said the American Dream is more likely to be realized in Venezuela, won 23 states. The average Democrat wants America to be France.

And he didn't win the Dem nomination.

Generic Dem won.

There is no meaningful difference between generic Dem and generic GOP.

Spending will increase at almost exactly the same rate.

The GOPer will pretend to deregulate, without meaningfully changing a thing.

And, of course, the bipartisan foreign policy won't even blink.

...it's the inevitable product of this form of government.

[TheTexan]

I will be getting a nice tax break next year, which I'll start seeing in my upcoming paychecks.

http://www.politicaltheology.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/TLJFPT.jpg

Thank the Lord, His tax bill be praised

[TheTexan]

1 year down, 7 to go.

These next 7 years will be Great for sure

[r3volution 3.0]

These next 7 years will be Great for sure

Things will be the same, but FOX/Limbaugh/AJ/Breitbart/etc will create a reality in which things are better.

They will have a number of compelling arguments.

A) Argue about the meaning of words like "cut", "spending", "military", "entitlement", "increase", and "budget"
B) Tell us that their authoritarian idol really didn't mean what he said
C) Tell us that this is a brilliant move in a game of 3-D chess that only trumpettes are capable of understanding
D) Tell us that it's ok because obomba did it first
E) Tell us that it's ok because it would have been horrible if clinton had done the very same thing
F) Tell us that this is what Liberty and Freedom really mean
G) Call CPUd names

[TheCount]

Feels.

[Schifference]

I am confident that most all of the democrats that wanted a democrat president are very pleased with Trump.

[euphemia]

Why would that be the only choice? One year I paid dues and joined my county party. There was no test about what I believed. They were more about maintaining power and control among themselves than a particular philosophy of government.

[TheCount]

Why would that be the only choice? One year I paid dues and joined my county party. There was no test about what I believed. They were more about maintaining power and control among themselves than a particular philosophy of government.

Well, that was the establishment county swamp, which Trump is different from by being exactly the same, except in the minds of his supporters.

[euphemia]

In my opinion, the swamp is filled with people blinded by hate and personal prejudice.

[enhanced_deficit]

Although he has been called Nazi, racist etc, traits linked to leftist idealogies in the past, follow the money. He has been committed conservative at heart and has always financed Republicans.

[Origanalist]

Although he has been called Nazi, racist etc, traits linked to leftist idealogies in the past, follow the money. He has been committed conservative at heart and has always financed Republicans.

Has he not contributed to democrats also?

[Jan2017]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bz-kIwq9xg


A better question would be how does rev 3.0 differ from a generic democrat?

I agree.
Using that jaded youtube is not really all that persuasive that Trump is just a RINO Democrat -
But certainly business man Trump was not very analytical in the war analysis if he didn't realize the 9-11 plot was all Clinton years.


It is a brain-dead question. Secondly, that clip doesn't address policy at all.

Would ANY Democrat have put Neil Gorsuch on Supreme Court? No. Therefore Trump is different and better than every single Democratic alternative.

Trump . . . didn't get involved in Syria like Hillary would have.


Hillary interventionism established with Libya and Syria as Secretary of State - she wasn't the president but wanted to break glass ceilings so bad
she would organize and planned seditiously to go rogue against her President off the reservation.

[specsaregood]

The tax cut without any spending cut?
Yes, that means more borrowing/printing.
So, GOP stands for borrow/print and spend, while Dem stands for tax and spend.
[insert gif of shocked and horrified Jefferson]


All you asked was how he differs from a generic democrat. I gave you 1 simple example from relatively current news. The democrats went nuts over the idea of people keeping more of their own money via the taxbill.

[RonZeplin]

At his core Trump is a NYC Bernie Bro, big government nanny state progressive thug.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQPHWhJZdzjl7A54MRpkXU0wQTBXnrtM OpeNcmcUWqbM3mPqnna

[FSP-Rebel]

Unfortunately, there are no generic dems anymore. They're all 'resist' progressives that have lost their minds.

[Superfluous Man]

It is weird that he signed that tax bill. I wonder why.

[Keith and stuff]

Unless you mean the liberty Democratic legislators in New Hampshire, Trump has been far more pro-liberty than the average Democrat politician.

[timosman]

And he didn't win the Dem nomination.

Generic Dem won.

There is no meaningful difference between generic Dem and generic GOP.

Spending will increase at almost exactly the same rate.

The GOPer will pretend to deregulate, without meaningfully changing a thing.

And, of course, the bipartisan foreign policy won't even blink.

...it's the inevitable product of this form of government.

Does rev 3.0 have a desire to be a bitchfest leader?:cool:

[donnay]

Unfortunately, there are no generic dems anymore. They're all 'resist' progressives that have lost their minds.

Exactly. Most of them have been compromised as well. Drain the swamp is a work in progress. This country didn't get this way overnight, so it is safe to say it will not get drained overnight.

I will give Trump an A+ for what he has been able to accomplish thus far--he has obstructionists hurdling at him from every direction.

I will add that Trump is no dummy either.

[timosman]

Politico is pushing the Generic Democrat narrative - https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/20/how-to-beat-trump-2020-elections-generic-democrat-216121

What Will It Take To Beat Trump? The Case for a Generic Democrat

Is rev 3.0 a shill?:eek:

[nikcers]

Politico is pushing the Generic Democrat narrative - https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/20/how-to-beat-trump-2020-elections-generic-democrat-216121

What Will It Take To Beat Trump? The Case for a Generic Democrat

Is rev 3.0 a shill?:eek:

rev 3.0 is bill hicks

[Brian4Liberty]

Focusing on policy...

Go

Why don't you tell us the top three policies of Trump's that you disagree with?

[nikcers]

Why don't you tell us the top three policies of Trump's that you disagree with?
Which one of Trumps policies is a higher priority then his neocon policies? The whole point of the neocons is the ends justify the means.



They agree with Trotsky on permanent revolution, violent as well as intellectual.
They are for redrawing the map of the Middle East and are willing to use force to do so.
They believe in preemptive war to achieve desired ends.
They accept the notion that the ends justify the means – that hard-ball politics is a moral necessity.
They express no opposition to the welfare state.
They are not bashful about an American empire; instead they strongly endorse it.
They believe lying is necessary for the state to survive.
They believe a powerful federal government is a benefit.
They believe pertinent facts about how a society should be run should be held by the elite and
withheld from those who do not have the courage to deal with it.
They believe neutrality in foreign affairs is ill-advised.
They hold Leo Strauss in high esteem.
They believe imperialism, if progressive in nature, is appropriate.
Using American might to force American ideals on others is acceptable. Force should
not be limited to the defense of our country.
9-11 resulted from the lack of foreign entanglements, not from too many.
They dislike and despise libertarians (therefore, the same applies to all strict constitutionalists.)
They endorse attacks on civil liberties, such as those found in the Patriot Act, as being necessary.
They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party.

[timosman]

Which one of Trumps policies is a higher priority then his neocon policies? The whole point of the neocons is the ends justify the means.



They agree with Trotsky on permanent revolution, violent as well as intellectual.
They are for redrawing the map of the Middle East and are willing to use force to do so.
They believe in preemptive war to achieve desired ends.
They accept the notion that the ends justify the means – that hard-ball politics is a moral necessity.
They express no opposition to the welfare state.
They are not bashful about an American empire; instead they strongly endorse it.
They believe lying is necessary for the state to survive.
They believe a powerful federal government is a benefit.
They believe pertinent facts about how a society should be run should be held by the elite and
withheld from those who do not have the courage to deal with it.
They believe neutrality in foreign affairs is ill-advised.
They hold Leo Strauss in high esteem.
They believe imperialism, if progressive in nature, is appropriate.
Using American might to force American ideals on others is acceptable. Force should
not be limited to the defense of our country.
9-11 resulted from the lack of foreign entanglements, not from too many.
They dislike and despise libertarians (therefore, the same applies to all strict constitutionalists.)
They endorse attacks on civil liberties, such as those found in the Patriot Act, as being necessary.
They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party.


How many of these does Trump actually support?

[nikcers]

How many of these does Trump actually support?
How many doesn't he support? How many Mcmasters and Nikki Haleys do we have to get before people realize Trump is a neocon?? Just because the neecons had to sneak up Trumps ass to get in the whitehouse doesn't mean they didn't win, and that we should support their administration.

[timosman]

How many doesn't he support? How many Mcmasters and Nikki Haleys do we have to get before people realize Trump is a neocon?? Just because the neecons had to sneak up Trumps ass to get in the whitehouse doesn't mean they didn't win, and that we should support their administration.

Resist we much!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CifYWxJXaI

[Superfluous Man]

How many of these does Trump actually support?

I doubt that he knows anything about Leo Strauss. But it looks like a pretty good list of some of his positions to me.

Some of them understate the matter. Noecons and Trump don't merely express no opposition to the welfare state, for example. They positively praise it.

[nikcers]

I doubt that he knows anything about Leo Strauss. But it looks like a pretty good list of some of his positions to me.

Some of them understate the matter. Noecons and Trump don't merely express no opposition to the welfare state, for example. They positively praise it.

We've Been Neo-Conned (http://www.antiwar.com/paul/paul69.html)
Ron Paul
July 12, 2003


The modern-day, limited-government movement has been co-opted. The conservatives have failed in their effort to shrink the size of government. There has not been, nor will there soon be, a conservative revolution in Washington. Political party control of the federal government has changed, but the inexorable growth in the size and scope of government has continued unabated. The liberal arguments for limited government in personal affairs and foreign military adventurism were never seriously considered as part of this revolution.
Since the change of the political party in charge has not made a difference, who's really in charge? If the particular party in power makes little difference, whose policy is it that permits expanded government programs, increased spending, huge deficits, nation building and the pervasive invasion of our privacy, with fewer Fourth Amendment protections than ever before?

.....

[timosman]

Your neighbor is a neocon. :cool:

[Raginfridus]

Politico is pushing the Generic Democrat narrative - https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/20/how-to-beat-trump-2020-elections-generic-democrat-216121

What Will It Take To Beat Trump? The Case for a Generic Democrat

Is rev 3.0 a shill?:eek:Was that a round-a-bout way for MSM to confess Trump alone can defeat Trump? That's true of every incumbent; people don't leave the warm-glowing comfort of the devil they know.

[nikcers]

Your neighbor is a neocon. :cool:
We are all Neocons now.

[Superfluous Man]

Has he not contributed to democrats also?

He has. And the Republicans he's supported have not been good ones.
https://ballotpedia.org/History_of_Donald_Trump%27s_political_donations

[Brian4Liberty]

Which one of Trumps policies is a higher priority then his neocon policies? The whole point of the neocons is the ends justify the means.



They agree with Trotsky on permanent revolution, violent as well as intellectual.
They are for redrawing the map of the Middle East and are willing to use force to do so.
They believe in preemptive war to achieve desired ends.
They accept the notion that the ends justify the means – that hard-ball politics is a moral necessity.
They express no opposition to the welfare state.
They are not bashful about an American empire; instead they strongly endorse it.
They believe lying is necessary for the state to survive.
They believe a powerful federal government is a benefit.
They believe pertinent facts about how a society should be run should be held by the elite and
withheld from those who do not have the courage to deal with it.
They believe neutrality in foreign affairs is ill-advised.
They hold Leo Strauss in high esteem.
They believe imperialism, if progressive in nature, is appropriate.
Using American might to force American ideals on others is acceptable. Force should
not be limited to the defense of our country.
9-11 resulted from the lack of foreign entanglements, not from too many.
They dislike and despise libertarians (therefore, the same applies to all strict constitutionalists.)
They endorse attacks on civil liberties, such as those found in the Patriot Act, as being necessary.
They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party.


In short, you would say that your number one, strongest disagreement with Trump is a neoconservative foreign policy? Fair enough. Best to keep it simple, and not try to figure out what is really going on in Trump's head. It changes so much that he may not know, or he just wants to keep everyone guessing at all times. No questions about where Nikki Haley stands.

[dude58677]

The real question is how is he any different than Ross Perot?

[RonZeplin]

We need a thread... Explain to me how Trump Differs From The Generic Libertarian like Bob Barr or Gary Johnson.

[timosman]

We need a thread... Explain to me how Trump Differs From The Generic Libertarian like Bob Barr or Gary Johnson.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/nintchdbpict000336410935.jpg

[Krugminator2]

He has. And the Republicans he's supported have not been good ones.
https://ballotpedia.org/History_of_Donald_Trump%27s_political_donations

What does that have to do with evaluating him now? I posted the same stuff in June of 2015. For example


Trump has given money to almost exclusively to Democratic candidates from Harry Reid to Chuck Schumer. The only kinda sorta conservative Republican he supported was Giuliani for Mayor, and I am stretching to call Giuliani a conservative. He has supported single payer healthcare, a 20% wealth tax, and tariffs. I bought a copy of his book from the 99cent bin that he wrote when was considering running in 2000. He basically was a watered down Bernie Sanders.


He has a one year track record. His governing record looks nothing like his rhetoric from 15 years ago. No tariffs, no socialized medicine, no assault weapons ban and no wealth tax. Maybe he should be evaluated on his actions.


It is weird that he signed that tax bill. I wonder why.

I don't know. Why? It was a good bill. Whatever his reason, good on him. I don't see a need to psychoanalyze if the results are good.

[Anti Federalist]

Focusing on policy...

Go

A standard "generic" democrat would be openly hostile to my line of work.

Trump has, or is willing to, roll back many restrictions and Obama era regulations that will make it easier and more profitable for my line of work to remain productive, profitable and myself to remain steadily employed.

[pcosmar]

The real question is how is he any different than Ross Perot?

Got elected.

[euphemia]

We need a thread... Explain to me how Trump Differs From The Generic Libertarian like Bob Barr or Gary Johnson.

Johnson definitely was not a fan of civil liberties.

[EBounding]

I think the better question is, how is Trump better than the generic Republican like Romney.

[pcosmar]

I think the better question is, how is Trump better than the generic Republican like Romney.

Was Romney really a Republican.. I thought he was just a pirate.

[donnay]

Was Romney really a Republican.. I thought he was just a pirate.

He is eyeballing Orrin Hatch's post, if Orin should retire. So yeah, I think he is a pirate.

[Brian4Liberty]

Probably not something a generic Democrat would do...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?518076-No-More-Free-Money-to-Pakistan-President-Trump-Cuts-Off-255-Million-in-Military-Aid-to-Pakis

[dude58677]

Got elected.

Exactly!

[r3volution 3.0]

Why don't you tell us the top three policies of Trump's that you disagree with?

1. Increasing spending

2. Increasing spending

3. Increasing spending

[pcosmar]

1. Increasing spending

2. Increasing spending

3. Increasing spending

how would that be different than any in my lifetime? R or D

[timosman]

1. Increasing spending

2. Increasing spending

3. Increasing spending

https://images.halloweencostumes.com/products/9227/1-1/jumbo-pacifier.jpg

[Anti Federalist]

1. Increasing spending

2. Increasing spending

3. Increasing spending

2017's federal budget, submitted by Obama, totaled $4.147 trillion in spending.

2018's federal budget, submitted by Trump, totals $4.094 trillion in spending.

A decrease of $53 billion dollars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:United_States_federal_budgets

[Superfluous Man]

2017's federal budget, submitted by Obama, totaled $4.147 trillion in spending.

2018's federal budget, submitted by Trump, totals $4.094 trillion in spending.

A decrease of $53 billion dollars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:United_States_federal_budgets

That's not including Trump's forthcoming infrastructure proposal that is supposed to run at a trillion dollars, not all in one year I assume.

[Anti Federalist]

That's not including Trump's forthcoming infrastructure proposal that is supposed to run at a trillion dollars, not all in one year I assume.

All I can go by is what is on paper.

Rev 3.0 said his issue was increased spending, times three.

The Trump budget cuts spending.

So, now what?

[timosman]

All I can go by is what is on paper.

Rev 3.0 said his issue was increased spending, times three.

The Trump budget cuts spending.

So, now what?

Be afraid, be very afraid.:cool:

[TheCount]

2017's federal budget, submitted by Obama, totaled $4.147 trillion in spending.

2018's federal budget, submitted by Trump, totals $4.094 trillion in spending.

A decrease of $53 billion dollars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:United_States_federal_budgets

Trump's budget proposal was for $594 billion in defense spending. What was actually passed, and what he actually signed, was $700 billion in defense spending. That's not accounted for in the wiki pages you're looking at.

Also, as mentioned above, this doesn't include the extra infrastructure spending that he wants.

[euphemia]

Tell the whole truth. There are significantly fewer federal employees now than when he took office. He’s still undoing the Obama expansion.

[TheCount]

Tell the whole truth. There are significantly fewer federal employees now than when he took office. He’s still undoing the Obama expansion.
Do you consider the Department of Defense to be federal employees?

[Superfluous Man]

Trump's budget proposal was for $594 billion in defense spending. What was actually passed, and what he actually signed, was $700 billion in defense spending. That's not accounted for in the wiki pages you're looking at.

Source?

[nikcers]

Do you consider the Department of Defense to be federal employees?

The department of defense can't be cut unless you don't want to win. Why do you hate winning?

[Ender]

Source?

https://militarybenefits.info/2018-defense-budget-overview/

https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-military-budget-components-challenges-growth-3306320

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/12/12/trump-signs-defense-bill-heres-what-it-means-you.html

[TheCount]

Source?

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4196738/NDAA-2018.pdf

Page 1110.

[Superfluous Man]

Well that certainly more than wipes out the $53 Billion budget decrease that AF was talking about.

So the fact is, as big and expensive as the federal government grew under Obama, that was not enough for Trump.

And Trump is only just getting started in his spending increases.

[nikcers]

Well that certainly more than wipes out the $53 Billion budget decrease that AF was talking about.

So the fact is, as big and expensive as the federal government grew under Obama, that was not enough for Trump.

And Trump is only just getting started in his spending increases.

It will be spectacular great

[TheCount]

The department of defense can't be cut unless you don't want to win. Why do you hate winning?

There's just been so much winning that I'm tired of it.

[Anti Federalist]

Trump’s War on Regulations: More Than 1,500 Withdrawn, Delayed or Under Review, Plus $570 Million in Savings

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/31/trumps-war-regulations-1500-withdrawn-delayed-review-plus-570-million-savings/

AP reported:

Neomi Rao, the administrator of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, said the administration had completed 67 deregulatory actions and taken three regulatory actions through the end of September that would result in a cost savings of $570 million a year.

Those deregulatory actions include a wide range of actions, including the withdrawal of guidance documents and reductions in paperwork burdens, and a dozen regulations killed by Congress, Rao said.

More than 1,500 regulations other rules and regulations have been withdrawn, delayed, or are under reconsideration, officials said.

[TheCount]

U.S. forces now on the ground supporting combat operations in Yemen, Pentagon says

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/05/06/u-s-forces-now-on-the-ground-supporting-combat-operations-in-yemen-pentagon-says/

The Pentagon has placed a small number of U.S. advisors on the ground in Yemen to support Arab forces battling al-Qaeda, military officials said on Friday, signaling a new American role in that country’s multi-sided civil war.

Navy Capt. Jeff Davis, a Pentagon spokesman, said U.S. personnel had been in the country for about two weeks, supporting Yemeni and Emirati forces that are fighting a pitched battle against militants near the southeastern port city of Mukalla.

[r3volution 3.0]

I think the better question is, how is Trump better than the generic Republican like Romney.

The generic Democrat is the same as the generic GOPer, obviously.

...has been since 1896.

[Zippyjuan]

Trump’s War on Regulations: More Than 1,500 Withdrawn, Delayed or Under Review, Plus $570 Million in Savings

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/31/trumps-war-regulations-1500-withdrawn-delayed-review-plus-570-million-savings/

AP reported:

Neomi Rao, the administrator of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, said the administration had completed 67 deregulatory actions and taken three regulatory actions through the end of September that would result in a cost savings of $570 million a year.

Those deregulatory actions include a wide range of actions, including the withdrawal of guidance documents and reductions in paperwork burdens, and a dozen regulations killed by Congress, Rao said.

More than 1,500 regulations other rules and regulations have been withdrawn, delayed, or are under reconsideration, officials said.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-12-11/trump-takes-credit-for-killing-hundreds-of-regulations-that-were-already-dead


Trump Takes Credit for Killing Hundreds of Regulations That Were Already Dead

As the Trump administration nears its one-year mark, White House officials are touting cuts to regulations as one of their top achievements.

“In the history of our country, no president, during their entire term, has cut more regulations than we’ve cut,” President Donald Trump said last month. His Press Secretary Sarah Sanders puts the total at nearly 1,000, an astounding accomplishment for the notoriously slow-moving federal bureaucracy.

But government records—and in some cases the agencies carrying out Trump’s policies—tell a very different story.


For one thing, only a handful of regulations have actually been taken off the books. That’s due to laws that keep government policies from wildly swinging back and forth every time moving trucks show up at the White House.

Rather, the claim of victory in the war on regulation is instead based almost entirely on stopping proposed rules that haven’t yet made their way through the machinery of government. The White House says it has killed or stalled 860 pending regulations. It’s done this by withdrawing 469, listing another 109 as inactive and relegating 282 to “long term.”

A Bloomberg News review has found even those claims are exaggerated. Hundreds of the pending regulations had been effectively shelved before Trump took office. Others listed as withdrawn are actually still being developed by federal agencies. Still more were moot because the actions sought in a pending rule were already in effect.

The review’s findings undercut one of the signature assertions of an administration that has struggled to show progress on its major campaign promises. Efforts to rescind Obamacare faltered in Congress and a promised wall along the Mexican border remains unbuilt. But Trump and his aides proudly and repeatedly point to progress in cutting government red tape.

https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iTRKtrybEB6Q/v10/800x-1.png

[more at link]

[angelatc]

All I know is that every once and a while I fall back into the 80's portion of my brain and laugh out loud when I realize Donald Trump is the president.

[Brian4Liberty]

1. Increasing spending

2. Increasing spending

3. Increasing spending

That is just one, and as others have pointed out, it's not unique to Trump in the slightest.


how would that be different than any in my lifetime? R or D


All I can go by is what is on paper.

Rev 3.0 said his issue was increased spending, times three.

The Trump budget cuts spending.

So, now what?

[CCTelander]

Trump is orange, the others are not?

Just spitballing here.

[Danke]

I think the better question is, how is Trump better than the generic Republican like Romney.

Start here:

http://goldismoney2.com/threads/im-still-trying-to-figure-out-how-hillary-lost-the-election.168646/#post-1302080

[Wooden Indian]

He's no different than the average Dem.... but he is different from the Obama / Pelosi brand.

Is that good enough? Hell no, it ain't.
However, much to my surprise, he has been better on a couple of issues than I thought he'd be, unfortunately Foreign Policy isn't one of em.

I know this wasn't the question, but were I to rank them, and The Ghost of Jefferson was a 10 and the incarnation of Lincoln a 1...

Barry would be a 2, Bush and Billary a 3... Trump would be a 4.

Of course this ranking is highly scientific and was not made up from the top of my head at 730 in the morning, so don't question my genius!!

[Anti Federalist]

The Trump Effect: Business, Anticipating Less Regulation, Loosens Purse Strings

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/01/us/politics/trump-businesses-regulation-economic-growth.html

By BINYAMIN APPELBAUM and JIM TANKERSLEY JAN. 1, 2018

WASHINGTON — A wave of optimism has swept over American business leaders, and it is beginning to translate into the sort of investment in new plants, equipment and factory upgrades that bolsters economic growth, spurs job creation — and may finally raise wages significantly.

While business leaders are eager for the tax cuts that take effect this year, the newfound confidence was initially inspired by the Trump administration’s regulatory pullback, not so much because deregulation is saving companies money but because the administration has instilled a faith in business executives that new regulations are not coming.

“It’s an overall sense that you’re not going to face any new regulatory fights,” said Granger MacDonald, a home builder in Kerrville, Tex. “We’re not spending more, which is the main thing. We’re not seeing any savings, but we’re not seeing any increases.”

[enhanced_deficit]

Has he not contributed to democrats also?

Ok I stand corrected, he has been donor/champion of Dems going back decades.

Still this does not prove automatically that he himself is a flip flopping "mother of all swamps". One cannot be a hardcore Christian values guy and a swamp simultaneously.

[TheCount]

Trump launches attack on Syria with 59 Tomahawk missiles

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/06/us-military-has-launched-more-50-than-missiles-aimed-at-syria-nbc-news.html

The U.S. military attacked a Syria (https://www.cnbc.com/syria/)-government airfield with 59 Tomahawk missiles on Thursday evening.

The missiles targeted the Shayrat air base near Homs, and were in response to a Tuesday chemical weapons attack. Officially announcing the strike, President Donald Trump (https://www.cnbc.com/donald-trump/) said the targeted airfield had launched the chemical attack on a rebel-held area, and he called on other nations to oppose Syria's embattled leader.

"On Tuesday, Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad launched a horrible chemical weapons attack on innocent civilians. Using a deadly nerve agent, Assad choked out the lives of helpless men, women and children. It was a slow and brutal death for so many. Even beautiful babies were cruelly murdered in this very barbaric attack," Trump said Thursday night.

[Origanalist]

Ok I stand corrected, he has been donor/champion of Dems going back decades.

Still this does not prove automatically that he himself is a flip flopping "mother of all swamps". One cannot be a hardcore Christian values guy and a swamp simultaneously.

This is true, he is a bastion of morality. He puts Ron Paul to shame with his integrety, honesty and humility.

[TheCount]

One cannot be a hardcore Christian values guy and a swamp simultaneously.

Correct. He's the second one.


I don't know how you could imagine any level of Christian values, let alone 'hardcore.'

[enhanced_deficit]

Dems and GOPA leader agree on Kennedy center funding using taxpayers money:

Trump defends $25 million in Kennedy Center funding in coronavirus stimulus (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?477303-Donald-Trump-On-The-Record&p=6947388&viewfull=1#post6947388)
03/25/20
President Trump on Wednesday defended the inclusion of $25 million in funding for the Kennedy Center as part of the massive economic relief bill aimed at boosting small businesses and workers harmed by the fallout of the coronavirus.
Trump fashioned himself a supporter of the arts, arguing that the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts is deserving of assistance given its inability to put on shows as officials ban large gatherings to try to curb the spread of the virus.
"I’m a fan of that," Trump said of the funding. "I haven’t spent time there because I’m far too busy. I’d love to go there evenings, but I’m too busy doing things."





Against more gun control despite the Vegas shooting and others

http://0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/60/24/7bd755ec459ac663b99d36b4ac188f76.jpg

Posted by another forum guest:


https://www.usacarry.com/forums/attachments/politics-and-news/19179d1546908100-picture-thread-trumpd.jpg




Trump: 'I probably identify more as Democrat'
CNN 7.22.15

[RonZeplin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKzYDLDIHY0

Pastor Chuck Baldwin Warns Of The Evils Of Forced Vaccinations :pray:

[r3volution 3.0]

Why don't you tell us the top three policies of Trump's that you disagree with?

Allow me to amend my complaint.

Take that complaint, and add a zero or two.


2017's federal budget, submitted by Obama, totaled $4.147 trillion in spending.

2018's federal budget, submitted by Trump, totals $4.094 trillion in spending.

A decrease of $53 billion dollars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:United_States_federal_budgets

...

...

...

Do I even need to say anything?

Do you know what the deficit was for last MONTH (not year)?

..not even counting the $2,000 Billion Fed money printing.

$738 billion

For a fucking MONTH!!!


:toady:

Yea, this is going to end really well.

[r3volution 3.0]

I see a lot of very stupid voters.

...a lot.

And so, this will continue.

How in God's name did FDR get reelected four times?

Welp, he did.

[susano]

Since the change of the political party in charge has not made a difference who's really in charge? -Ron Paul

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dz3BR_3WkAA1rVz.jpg

[Brian4Liberty]

I see a lot of very stupid voters.

...a lot.

And so, this will continue.

How in God's name did FDR get reelected four times?

Welp, he did.

Stupid is the wrong word. Ignorant is more descriptive. The vast majority are entirely ignorant. And that's the way the establishment likes them.

Nancy Pelosi. Elected to Congress, June 2, 1987.

[r3volution 3.0]

Stupid is the wrong word. Ignorant is more descriptive. The vast majority are entirely ignorant. And that's the way the establishment likes them.

Nancy Pelosi. Elected to Congress, June 2, 1987.

Fair point

The more intelligent voters aren't much better informed; they may actually be worse informed, in that they "know" things that aren't true.

[jmdrake]

Focusing on policy...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bz-kIwq9xg

Go

Bump....

And this belongs here.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?548309-Trump-complains-about-income-inequality-quot-Changes-must-be-made-and-soon!-quot

[LibertyEagle]

"I think she's a wonderful woman. I think that she's a little bit misunderstood. You know, Hillary's a very smart woman, very tough woman, that's fine, but she's also a very nice person. And I know Hillary and I know her husband very well; they're fine people." --Donald Trump

As a NY builder, he schmoozed everyone. I'm not sure if there is a way not to. One thing though. I have never seen him advocate world government, as I have seen YOU do.

[Todd]

As a NY builder, he schmoozed everyone. I'm not sure if there is a way not to. One thing though. I have never seen him advocate world government, as I have seen YOU do.

+Rep if I could.....and you won't seem me praising the guy often, but he hasn't got us into any big wars and he's definitely not advocating globalism.

[Anti Globalist]

As a NY builder, he schmoozed everyone. I'm not sure if there is a way not to. One thing though. I have never seen him advocate world government, as I have seen YOU do.
This is true. Hopefully he won't start any new wars going into his second term.

[r3volution 3.0]

+Rep if I could.....and you won't seem me praising the guy often, but he hasn't got us into any big wars and he's definitely not advocating globalism.

The relatively free trade that we've enjoyed for the last several decades is coming to an end.

The higher prices resulting from that will nicely compliment the higher prices resulting from the monetary inflation that everyone's ignoring.

But at least we won't be forced to have the choice to buy or not buy foreign products as we please.

EnD sOcIaLiSm!

https://i.imgur.com/ndqOBve.png

[enhanced_deficit]

he's like Rand Paul on steroids...

http://img2.thejournal.ie/inline/2134218/original?width=628&version=2134218

Naa, Trump is a 'king of debt' and pro big deficit/big gummit spending/pro socialism and RP is opposite of that :


Rand Paul: Republicans should apologize to Obama for complaining about spending (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?548391-Rand-Paul-Republicans-should-apologize-to-Obama-for-complaining-about-spending&)
"They might lose this election because they are acting like Democrats now. I am very upset with my colleagues. They went 8 years. They should apologize now to President Obama for complaining he was spending and borrowing too much. He was a piker compared to their borrowing and what they're doing now."