US will provide anti-tank weapons to Ukraine

[pcosmar]

US will provide anti-tank weapons to Ukraine

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/22/politics/us-ukraine-anti-tank-weapons-russia/index.html

What could go wrong?

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[sparebulb]

Heard on the teevee today that this was in response to Russian aggression and incursion.

If the teevee said it, it must be right.

[oyarde]

I too would like some tax paid anti tank weapons . Where is the sign up sheet ?

[goldenequity]

DETAILS: Washington can no longer claim role of mediator in Ukrainian conflict, because in fact it’s an 'accomplice in igniting a war' - Russian Deputy FM

US crossed the line by announcing it’s ready to supply Ukraine with lethal arms – Moscow

U.S. PUSHING UKRAINE TO NEW BLOODSHED, WASHINGTON IS AN ABETTOR IN FUELING WAR RATHER THAN MEDIATOR - RYABKOV
Interfax

Anti-tank missile supplies to Kyiv could draw U.S. into Donbas conflict - Pushkov

U.S. planning to supply precision weapons capable of striking infrastructure facilities to Ukraine - Shamanov

President Vladimir Putin stressed
that although the delivery of lethal weapons was a "sovereign decision of the United States" which Moscow could not stop,
"the supply of weapons to the conflict zone is not beneficial to the peacekeeping process, and only exacerbates the situation.

If this occurs, this action will not change the [strategic] situation…But the number of victims may certainly increase."


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Trump approves $393 million weapons list for Syria
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/trump-approves-393-million-weapons-list-for-syria-124634

U.S. President Donald Trump has approved providing weapons worth $393 million to its partners in Syria despite Ankara’s concerns
over the continued delivery of heavy weapons and armored vehicles the People’s Protection Units (YPG).

The U.S. President signed the list prepared by Pentagon in May on Dec. 12, 18 days after his phone conversation with President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan
during which he is quoted as “openly instructing his generals to no longer give weapons to the YPG.”

“He openly said that this absurdity should have ended much earlier,” Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu had told reporters after the phone call.

The list included a total of 12,000 Kalashnikov rifles worth $6.3 million, 60,000 Kalashnikov clips worth $420,000 and 6,000 machine guns worth $20.3 million.

The weapons list did not give any direct reference to the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) or the YPG but instead mentioned Vetted Syrian Opposition (VSO).

Ankara considers the YPG a terror organization because of its links with the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK).

Accordingly, sophisticated weapons will continue to be sent to Syria in 2018, including thousands of anti-tanks, heat seeking missiles and rocket launchers.

In addition, some $1.2 billion budget was reserved for Iraq and another $500 million was reserved for Syria as a part of the train-equip fund in 2018, according to the list.

The Pentagon’s Syria strategy for 2018 also outlined an increase in the number of Arab elements within the SDF.

According to the budget list, there are a total of 25,000 opposition forces supported as a part of the train and equip program in Syria.
That number is planned to be increased to 30,000 in 2018.

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McCain: Trump’s decision to send anti-tank missiles to Ukraine to take on Russians “could not come at a more important time.”

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Washington Post Calls For Outrage About War On Yemen - Hides U.S. Role In It
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/12/washington-post-calls-for-outrage-about-war-on-yemen-hides-us-role-in-it.html

Just in time for Christmas the Washington Post laments the cholera epidemic in Yemen:
One million people have caught cholera in Yemen. You should be outraged. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/12/21/one-million-people-have-caught-cholera-in-yemen-you-should-be-outraged/)

http://www.moonofalabama.org/images5/WaPoOutrage.jpg

YOU SHOULD BE OUTRAGED, says the Washington Post. But outraged at whom?


Target: Infrastructure
1000 days of #Saudi war on #Yemen led by #UK-#US:
12k civilians killed.
21k civilians wounded.
Infrastructure:
Schools & institutes: 763
Popular markets & malls: 576
Water tanks networks: 524
Governmental facilities: 1.654
Bridges & roads: 1.941
Ports: 15
Airports: 14
We are devastated

Apparently you should be outraged that lack of basic food and easily preventable cholera is killing people in Yemen,
but not at those who cause it.

I for one am outraged at the Washington Post and those despicable editors and writers
who are covering up the war crimes their country is committing.

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[pcosmar]

Hillary Clinton was deeply engaged as well as John McCain in the Nazi Coup that overthrew the legitimate Ukrainian Government.

This has been well documented here and elsewhere.

So why is Trump sending more money and weapons to Nazis?

Why send weapons to a weapon manufacturer?
http://www.usubc.org/site/aerospace-defense-industry/top-10-weapon-systems-made-in-ukraine
http://ukroboronprom.com.ua/en/

curious

[Brian4Liberty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

[TheCount]

I'm just glad we aren't getting involved in any neoconservative boondoggles.

[phill4paul]

If we really wanted to allow them to protect themselves we should give them nuclear capabilities and a delivery system. Hell, let's give some to every country for Christmas!

[Brian4Liberty]

Washington's Farewell Address (http://www.ushistory.org/documents/farewelladdress.htm)
President George Washington's Farewell Address — 1796


...In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence, frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations, has been the victim.

So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.

As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public councils! Such an attachment of a small or weak towards a great and powerful nation dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter.

Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.

The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.

Our detached and distant situation invites and enables us to pursue a different course. If we remain one people under an efficient government. the period is not far off when we may defy material injury from external annoyance; when we may take such an attitude as will cause the neutrality we may at any time resolve upon to be scrupulously respected; when belligerent nations, under the impossibility of making acquisitions upon us, will not lightly hazard the giving us provocation; when we may choose peace or war, as our interest, guided by justice, shall counsel.

Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor or caprice?

It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world; so far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it; for let me not be understood as capable of patronizing infidelity to existing engagements. I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs, that honesty is always the best policy. I repeat it, therefore, let those engagements be observed in their genuine sense. But, in my opinion, it is unnecessary and would be unwise to extend them.

Taking care always to keep ourselves by suitable establishments on a respectable defensive posture, we may safely trust to temporary alliances for extraordinary emergencies.

Harmony, liberal intercourse with all nations, are recommended by policy, humanity, and interest. But even our commercial policy should hold an equal and impartial hand; neither seeking nor granting exclusive favors or preferences; consulting the natural course of things; diffusing and diversifying by gentle means the streams of commerce, but forcing nothing; establishing (with powers so disposed, in order to give trade a stable course, to define the rights of our merchants, and to enable the government to support them) conventional rules of intercourse, the best that present circumstances and mutual opinion will permit, but temporary, and liable to be from time to time abandoned or varied, as experience and circumstances shall dictate; constantly keeping in view that it is folly in one nation to look for disinterested favors from another; that it must pay with a portion of its independence for whatever it may accept under that character; that, by such acceptance, it may place itself in the condition of having given equivalents for nominal favors, and yet of being reproached with ingratitude for not giving more. There can be no greater error than to expect or calculate upon real favors from nation to nation. It is an illusion, which experience must cure, which a just pride ought to discard.
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[goldenequity]

For the first time in 6 years Aleppo kids celebrate Christmas free of terrorism John McCain.

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[Raginfridus]

I too would like some tax paid anti tank weapons . Where is the sign up sheet ?
At least giving free guns to oyarde, we can be pretty certain they won't kill our soldiers and wreck our tanks...

Unless ATF renege.:mad:

By the way, that Ukraine On Fire (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeIXDQL3z0Y) doc was sehr gut. USG, EU, and Russia have worked wonders for Ukraine.

[AZJoe]

Trump White House moves forward with sale of “lethal weapons” to neo-nazi forces in Ukraine. (https://theduran.com/trump-white-house-move-forward-with-sale-of-lethal-weapons-to-neo-nazi-forces-in-ukraine/)
Outbreak of war in Ukraine now significantly increased.

The Trump White House announced it would sell Ukraine 210 Javelin anti-aircraft missiles and 37 launchers … The sale of “lethal weapons” to the neo-nazi regime in Kiev was first reported last December (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-23/russia-hawks-are-winning-trump-announce-anti-tank-missile-exports-ukraine), and marks a significant increase in US military support for a Ukraine … This is the first lethal weapons sale of its kind since the US backed coup in 2014. ...

Trump approved the sale of lethal weapons in December 2017. … Trump has said the sale represents evidence of his “tougher” stance on Russia than President Barack Obama’s … U.S. personnel will travel to Ukraine to train their military on its use …

“American weapons can lead to new victims in our neighboring country, to which we cannot remain indifferent.” Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said then that the sale “will once again motivate the hotheads” in the Ukrainian government and “unleash bloodshed again.” …

Trump himself promised a reset with Russia, but since taking office, relations with Moscow have not improved. So is this a deep state victory? …

Congressional anti-Russia hawks have long sought greater long-term military engagement along Russia’s European border ... Congress originally authorized weapons sales via the Ukraine Freedom Support Act (https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/2828) signed into law in December 2014, the Obama administration never made the decision to actually follow through on the legislation. … Obama “had more flexibility (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mgQaFlo_p8)” with Putin than even Trump …

[Swordsmyth]

When is Trump going to arm the militia and send us guns?

[goldenequity]

Hohols march in Lviv against Poland... (about 70mi from Polish border)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M26qGCoMuVw


Neo Nazis w/ cruise missiles (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?518964-Ukraine-Tests-Fires-First-Ever-Cruise-Missile-Aimed-At-Neutralizing-quot-Russian-Aggressors-quot&highlight=Ukraine), (smuggled) MANPADS and FREE Javelins... what could go wrong?

"So, the last step is actually made - the US State Department approved the sale of anti-tank missiles and Javelin missile launchers to Ukraine (37 launchers and 210 rockets.) Let's note - not at the expense of our budget, but at the expense of US military assistance to Ukraine," Tymchuk wrote."

https://images.unian.net/photos/2015_12/1450719041-5885-javelin.jpg?0.5518868413237095

https://dninews.com/article/ukraine-will-not-pay-supplies-javelin-complexes?_utl_t=tw