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Anti Federalist
12-21-2017, 11:54 AM
No Exceptions

https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2017/12/21/no-exceptions/#comment-676787

By eric - December 21, 2017

There’s a kerfuffle in Wisconsin over threatened application of The Law to the Amish.

Up to now, they’ve successfully dodged Uncle – been exempted on religious grounds from a great many busybody-isms, including laws requiring the presence and use of seat belts and child safety seats in all motor vehicles.

Their horse-drawn buggies lack motors, of course – as well as seatbelts and child seats.

They don’t have air bags or back-up cameras or tire pressure monitors, either. The Amish don’t believe such things are necessary and therefore do without.

They also believe it’s their decision, their business – and just want to go about their business, leave others alone and be left alone in turn. After all, they’re not harming anyone else. And if they harm themselves, the Amish take care of themselves.

It seems reasonable enough.

That doesn’t wash for the rest of us, though.

Why should it work for the Amish?

Such is the entirely logical argument of a busybody with a gun – i.e., a government worker – by the name of Bill Winch. He is a member of the Wisconsin Rapids Board of Supervisors and doesn’t think the Amish ought to be exempted from anything – including other laws requiring driver’s licenses and mandatory insurance.

He has proposed a new law precisely to that effect.

Amen.

Winch goes further. The buggies of the Amish should also be fitted with automotive safety glass, windshield and side glass – no matter what it costs the Amish and how impractical it is to install such things in a horse-drawn buggy.

For their saaaaaaaaaaaaafety, of course.

Their horse-drawn buggies should also be required to have headlights and turn signals – just like everyone else’s car. If this requires expense, so be it. And new buggies manufactured after a certain date surely ought to be required to have at least driver and front seat passenger air bags and comply with some sort of government crash test regime.

Amish teenagers must not be allowed to “operate” a buggy until they have attained a certain Uncle-prescribed age – and then only when accompanied by an adult – and never accompanied by other teens, unsupervised.

Bully.

It might cause some eyes to open.

Logically – as a matter of principle – either all of us and not just the Amish should be left in peace to go about our business or no one should be left in peace.

Why should the claim of the Amish that seatbelts and insurance and all the rest are meddling twaddle contrary to their beliefs carry any more weight than the belief – just as ardent and probably better-articulated – of the Libertarian who also believes that it’s no one else’s proper business whether he has or wears a seatbelt?

Winch is absolutely correct.

Or at least, he is a consistent authoritarian control freak.

The arguments used to justify everything imposed on the non-Amish apply just as much to the Amish. If these justifications are morally valid then the laws based upon them should brook no exceptions.

The Amish, no matter how pious, are not immune to the forces of nature. If an Amish buggy driver wrecks his buggy, he might be injured – just like anyone else. And if he is not buckled up – if his buggy lacks shatterproof automotive safety glass – his injuries could be more severe than would otherwise have been the case.

Undeniable facts of physics.

So why should the Amish – but not the rest of us – get a pass?

Why should they get to live a simple, unencumbered, exempted life? One free of not just government busybodyism but also the financial pressure of having to constantly earn money in order to pay for all that busybodyism? The Amish man can farm his land, raise his crops and not have to worry about coming up with thousands of dollars every year to pay for mandatory this and tax that – including Social Security and Obamacare taxes. Or air bags and seat belts and back-up cameras and shatterproof safety glass. He has no dealings with the DMV.

This makes him a very free man.

Which is very unfair to the rest of us.

An outrage!

So perhaps this new law applying the law to the Amish is just the medicine needed.

Sympathy for the Amish might transfer to the rest of us. It might occur to some that it is unjust – tyrannical – to molest people who just want to be left alone and who aren’t causing harm to anyone else. It might get people to thinking about whether the justifications elaborated to push, promote and impose all the aforesaid busybody-ism are in fact legitimate.

And if they’re not . . . well, we might be able to roll some of this back. And for everyone.

The Amish are, indeed, throwbacks.

And not just because of their buggies and beards. They are living fossils of a species almost extinct: The Free Man. They’re not interested in your goods and don’t want to control your life. If you’re interested in their lifestyle, you’re free to emulate it and even to become Amish, if that is your desire.

In return, the Amish only ask that you leave them free to be Amish.

But that is too much to ask for people like Bill Winch.

shakey1
12-21-2017, 12:21 PM
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bunklocoempire
12-21-2017, 12:46 PM
Rely on God > mandatory sacrifices to the gods of "safety"

So obsessed in his mind with what might happen, Bill Winch demands you worship his god.

pcosmar
12-21-2017, 12:56 PM
Winch made a motion to vote on the ordinance Tuesday, but none of the other 18 members of the Wood County Board seconded his motion, and the issue died.

http://www.wisconsinrapidstribune.com/story/news/2017/12/19/wood-county-residents-push-back-against-proposed-amish-buggy-rules/962753001/


Louden, who discussed the proposed ordinance last week in an interview with USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin, said that if enacted the measures would likely prompt the Amish to move from Wood County — and he said the new rules seemed designed to push them out.

Residents who spoke against the rules Tuesday echoed those concerns, calling the measure a product of prejudice and bigotry.

aren't most of them?
Gun Laws were created by fear of minorities.
as was the War on Drugs.

Prejudice and fear have always been a big selling point.
and what better way to run out the undesirables?? with laws against them.

Brian4Liberty
12-21-2017, 01:12 PM
http://www.wisconsinrapidstribune.com/story/news/2017/12/19/wood-county-residents-push-back-against-proposed-amish-buggy-rules/962753001/


Louden, who discussed the proposed ordinance last week in an interview with USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin, said that if enacted the measures would likely prompt the Amish to move from Wood County — and he said the new rules seemed designed to push them out.

aren't most of them?
Gun Laws were created by fear of minorities.
as was the War on Drugs.

Prejudice and fear have always been a big selling point.
and what better way to run out the undesirables?? with laws against them.

Push them out? Hmmm. Are they currently occupying nice real estate that Winch and friends would like to have?

Swordsmyth
12-21-2017, 06:01 PM
No Exceptions

https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2017/12/21/no-exceptions/#comment-676787

By eric - December 21, 2017

There’s a kerfuffle in Wisconsin over threatened application of The Law to the Amish.

Up to now, they’ve successfully dodged Uncle – been exempted on religious grounds from a great many busybody-isms, including laws requiring the presence and use of seat belts and child safety seats in all motor vehicles.

Their horse-drawn buggies lack motors, of course – as well as seatbelts and child seats.

They don’t have air bags or back-up cameras or tire pressure monitors, either. The Amish don’t believe such things are necessary and therefore do without.

They also believe it’s their decision, their business – and just want to go about their business, leave others alone and be left alone in turn. After all, they’re not harming anyone else. And if they harm themselves, the Amish take care of themselves.

It seems reasonable enough.

That doesn’t wash for the rest of us, though.

Why should it work for the Amish?

Such is the entirely logical argument of a busybody with a gun – i.e., a government worker – by the name of Bill Winch. He is a member of the Wisconsin Rapids Board of Supervisors and doesn’t think the Amish ought to be exempted from anything – including other laws requiring driver’s licenses and mandatory insurance.

He has proposed a new law precisely to that effect.

Amen.

Winch goes further. The buggies of the Amish should also be fitted with automotive safety glass, windshield and side glass – no matter what it costs the Amish and how impractical it is to install such things in a horse-drawn buggy.

For their saaaaaaaaaaaaafety, of course.

Their horse-drawn buggies should also be required to have headlights and turn signals – just like everyone else’s car. If this requires expense, so be it. And new buggies manufactured after a certain date surely ought to be required to have at least driver and front seat passenger air bags and comply with some sort of government crash test regime.

Amish teenagers must not be allowed to “operate” a buggy until they have attained a certain Uncle-prescribed age – and then only when accompanied by an adult – and never accompanied by other teens, unsupervised.

Bully.

It might cause some eyes to open.

Logically – as a matter of principle – either all of us and not just the Amish should be left in peace to go about our business or no one should be left in peace.

Why should the claim of the Amish that seatbelts and insurance and all the rest are meddling twaddle contrary to their beliefs carry any more weight than the belief – just as ardent and probably better-articulated – of the Libertarian who also believes that it’s no one else’s proper business whether he has or wears a seatbelt?

Winch is absolutely correct.

Or at least, he is a consistent authoritarian control freak.

The arguments used to justify everything imposed on the non-Amish apply just as much to the Amish. If these justifications are morally valid then the laws based upon them should brook no exceptions.

The Amish, no matter how pious, are not immune to the forces of nature. If an Amish buggy driver wrecks his buggy, he might be injured – just like anyone else. And if he is not buckled up – if his buggy lacks shatterproof automotive safety glass – his injuries could be more severe than would otherwise have been the case.

Undeniable facts of physics.

So why should the Amish – but not the rest of us – get a pass?

Why should they get to live a simple, unencumbered, exempted life? One free of not just government busybodyism but also the financial pressure of having to constantly earn money in order to pay for all that busybodyism? The Amish man can farm his land, raise his crops and not have to worry about coming up with thousands of dollars every year to pay for mandatory this and tax that – including Social Security and Obamacare taxes. Or air bags and seat belts and back-up cameras and shatterproof safety glass. He has no dealings with the DMV.

This makes him a very free man.

Which is very unfair to the rest of us.

An outrage!

So perhaps this new law applying the law to the Amish is just the medicine needed.

Sympathy for the Amish might transfer to the rest of us. It might occur to some that it is unjust – tyrannical – to molest people who just want to be left alone and who aren’t causing harm to anyone else. It might get people to thinking about whether the justifications elaborated to push, promote and impose all the aforesaid busybody-ism are in fact legitimate.

And if they’re not . . . well, we might be able to roll some of this back. And for everyone.

The Amish are, indeed, throwbacks.

And not just because of their buggies and beards. They are living fossils of a species almost extinct: The Free Man. They’re not interested in your goods and don’t want to control your life. If you’re interested in their lifestyle, you’re free to emulate it and even to become Amish, if that is your desire.

In return, the Amish only ask that you leave them free to be Amish.

But that is too much to ask for people like Bill Winch.

Typical government tyranny.

One question though, do the Amish vote? and if so how do they vote?

My sympathy will be greatly reduced if they vote for big government for the rest of us while dodging it for themselves.

Swordsmyth
12-21-2017, 06:03 PM
Push them out? Hmmm. Are they currently occupying nice real estate that Winch and friends would like to have?

I would bet they are.

oyarde
12-21-2017, 06:22 PM
Typical government tyranny.

One question though, do the Amish vote? and if so how do they vote?

My sympathy will be greatly reduced if they vote for big government for the rest of us while dodging it for themselves.

Overall very few of them vote . In a few counties 4 in 10 may be registered but even then it is unusual for more than 10 or 15 percent to vote . Around here they do not . Voting comes with deep responsibility because it is not deemed positive by those religious views to vote for people who would use the power of the state against others .

Swordsmyth
12-21-2017, 06:26 PM
Overall very few of them vote . In a few counties 4 in 10 may be registered but even then it is unusual for more than 10 or 15 percent to vote . Around here they do not . Voting comes with deep responsibility because it is not deemed positive by those religious views to vote for people who would use the power of the state against others .

Good to know, I know little of the Amish but in general I understand them to be better people than most, I would have been disappointed to find out they voted pro-government because their lifestyle evades so much of the results.

TheTexan
12-21-2017, 06:49 PM
What really bothers me about the Amish is that they only mow their lawn like once every three months.

The grass is way, way over 3 inches usually.

It's outrageous.

Swordsmyth
12-21-2017, 07:08 PM
What really bothers me about the Amish is that they only mow their lawn like once every three months.

The grass is way, way over 3 inches usually.

It's outrageous.

Maybe you should break their ribs.

Anti Federalist
12-21-2017, 07:14 PM
Thankfully it got shot down:

Wood County residents push back against proposed Amish-buggy rules

http://www.wisconsinrapidstribune.com/story/news/2017/12/19/wood-county-residents-push-back-against-proposed-amish-buggy-rules/962753001/

Damn, missed it, Pete beat me to in post 4