ISIS weapons arsenal included some purchased by U.S. government

[enhanced_deficit]

Is this responsible journalism if such reporting could lead to leak of state sponsored secrets?
Should US media like our closest democratic ally Israel be required to to get "cleared for publication" news clearance from authorized agencies for sensitive issues relating to defense of our freedoms?



ISIS UNCOVERED
News
Dec 14 2017, 11:31 am ET


ISIS weapons arsenal included some purchased by U.S. government

by Gabe Joselow
https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2017_50/2260056/171213-isis-weapons-mc085_ef8ab05483ac3f82331d0067d503a377.nbcnews-fp-1240-520.jpg
These 122 Chinese light machine guns were recovered from an ISIS site south of Mosul, Iraq. At least one pouch of amphetamine was attached to each.

LONDON — Some weapons bought by the U.S. military in 2015 ended up in the hands of Islamic State fighters within two months, according to a report released Thursday.
The findings, by Conflict Armament Research (http://www.conflictarm.com/) (CAR), an independent arms-tracking organization, are based on three years of meticulous documentation of weapons recovered from ISIS on the battlefields of Iraq and Syria.
CAR used serial numbers or key markings on the weapons to trace them back to their origin and try to piece together how they were obtained by the militants.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-uncovered/isis-weapons-arsenal-included-some-purchased-u-s-government-n829201




Had Hillary won, such news may have not been cleared for publication.



Related

Trump: Clinton, Obama 'created ISIS' (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?487644-Trump-Clinton-Obama-created-ISIS&)

(http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=45581)http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/34188-1-1.jpg



Developing: With U.S. blessing, Russian made weapons supplied by Israel to extremist Islamic Jihadis/foreign fighters in Afghanistan


http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/52a1c37869bedd476f5aaefd-960/independent-1993%20%281%29-1.jpeg

OFFICIALS SAY U.S. PLANS TO DOUBLE SUPPLY OF ARMS TO AFGHAN REBELS

By LESLIE H. GELB , Special to the New York Times
Published: November 28, 1984

WASHINGTON, Nov. 27— United States officials say $280 million has been earmarked in covert military aid for the Afghan insurgents this fiscal year, more than doubling the aid in the fiscal year that ended Sept. 30.
This will bring total American aid to $625 million since Soviet troops intervened in Afghanistan in December 1979. This does not include additional aid of $100 million provided last year by Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries, China and Israel, according to official estimates.

http://www.nytimes.com/1984/11/28/world/officials-say-us-plans-to-double-supply-of-arms-to-afghan-rebels.html

[goldenequity]

related source article...
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?517745-Ingenuity-of-ISIS-Engineers-Meet-Damien-Spleeters-Private-Invstgtr-Conflct-Armamnt-Research&p=6564057#post6564057

[goldenequity]

"It's hard to find a conflict or a terrorist group in the Middle East that does not have Iran's Our fingerprints all over it."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/haley-reveals-new-info-to-back-claim-that-iran-armed-yemen-rebels-live-stream/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=45908145

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRB0xqXX0AAhMD_.jpg:large

[Zippyjuan]

ISIS did seize US weapons in Libya when the country collapsed following the death of Gaddafi and they also got weapons from Iraq when Iraqi army abandoned cities ahead of ISIS advances so no surprise they have US weapons.

[Swordsmyth]

ISIS did seize US weapons in Libya when the country collapsed following the death of Gaddafi and they also got weapons from Iraq when Iraqi army abandoned cities ahead of ISIS advances so no surprise they have US weapons.

Thank you for reminding us of the Party Line Herr Doktor Gerbils.

[r3volution 3.0]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ8dWJ4kkh8

[timosman]

Thank you for reminding us of the Party Line Herr Doktor Gerbils.

This is actually quite unusual for Zippy. 'country collapsed following the death of Gaddafi' does not put HRC in a positive light. I am shocked.

[r3volution 3.0]

Thank you for reminding us of the Party Line Herr Doktor Gerbils.

Is something he said false?

[timosman]

Is something he said false?

Who? What?

[Zippyjuan]

Killing Gaddaffi led to similar chaos to the removal of Saddam. Both were big mistakes. Overthrowing Saddam led to all the mess we currently have in the Middle East. Bush thought it would be clean, quick, and cheap. Boy was he wrong.

[enhanced_deficit]

"It's hard to find a conflict or a terrorist group in the Middle East that does not have Iran's Our fingerprints all over it."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/haley-reveals-new-info-to-back-claim-that-iran-armed-yemen-rebels-live-stream/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=45908145

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRB0xqXX0AAhMD_.jpg:large

To be fair, Namrita though is also a minority representing US at UN and recruited by neocons.. her presentation style is not exactly like that of disgraced Colin Powell.

http://www.internetweekly.org/images/powell_bs.jpg
http://www.sott.net/image/s21/430152/full/wmd_640x316.png

[enhanced_deficit]

Is something he said false?

Corrected.


Is something he said false? .. going by official state sponsored MSM narratives

[Swordsmyth]

Is something he said false?

He is trying to imply that the US didn't give them weapons on purpose through various means.

[r3volution 3.0]

Corrected.

ISIS didn't get US weapons during the collapse of Libya/Iraq?

You could certainly say that's not the whole story, but that's definitely true.

[timosman]

Killing Gaddaffi led to similar chaos to the removal of Saddam. Both were big mistakes. Overthrowing Saddam led to all the mess we currently have in the Middle East. Bush thought it would be clean, quick, and cheap. Boy was he wrong.

Zippy throws us a bone.:cool:

[Zippyjuan]

He is trying to imply that the US didn't give them weapons on purpose through various means.

From the link in the OP:


The weapons recovered from ISIS and documented in the report come from a wide range of manufacturers and sources.

Many were looted from Iraqi and Syrian government stockpiles as ISIS rampaged across both countries. By early 2015, the group controlled around 35,000 square miles of territory — an area about the size of Indiana


But in reality, American weapons make up only a minor portion of the small arms documented by CAR. Chinese and Russian arms account for more than 50 percent, with the ubiquitous AK-47 in heavy use.

CAR found most of ISIS' weapons were made before 1990, the year Iraq came under an arms embargo.

Some were even Nazi era weapons.


James Bevan, CAR's director, found a Mauser rifle manufactured in Nazi Germany in 1941 in an ISIS cache in Baghdad alongside 150 other weapons and improvised explosive devices.

Oldest weapon found was an 1898 German rifle.

[enhanced_deficit]

ISIS didn't get US weapons during the collapse of Libya/Iraq?

You could certainly say that's not the whole story, but that's definitely true.

I think others including myself saw Zippy's retort as challenging this narrative:

Trump: Clinton, Obama 'created ISIS' (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?487644-Trump-Clinton-Obama-created-ISIS&)
(http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=45581)

Stating half-truth if is not aimed to obfuscates the presented narrative, it serves not much more than just a conrarion argument that happens to be aligned with establishment media narrative. Sure it has value in a discussion but half-truths like this can hide some bigger truths that consiracy theorist Trump uncovered during campaign.

[Swordsmyth]

From the link in the OP:





Some were even Nazi era weapons.



Oldest weapon found was an 1898 German rifle.

We know they collect any weapons they can but we also know that the US has been arming them.

[Zippyjuan]

I think others including myself saw Zippy's retort as challenging this narrative:

Trump: Clinton, Obama 'created ISIS' (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?487644-Trump-Clinton-Obama-created-ISIS&)
(http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=45581)

Stating half-truth if is not aimed to obfuscates the presented narrative, it serves not much more than just a conrarion argument that happens to be aligned with establishment media narrative. Sure it has value in a discussion but half-truths like this can hide some bigger truths that consiracy theorist Trump uncovered during campaign.

You know that "Obama Created ISIS" is fake and keep repeating it. (For those who aren't following- ISIS was started in 2006- Obama became president in 2009).

[Zippyjuan]

We know they collect any weapons they can but we also know that the US has been arming them.

The article in the OP which traces the origins of weapons does not support that claim.

[Swordsmyth]

The article in the OP which traces the origins of weapons does not support that claim.

So what?

[Swordsmyth]

You know that "Obama Created ISIS" is fake and keep repeating it. (For those who aren't following- ISIS was started in 2006- Obama became president in 2009).

He was a Senator and he was involved, but McCain should get the title "founding father", perhaps O'Bummer should be the "founding uncle".

[Zippyjuan]

He was a Senator and he was involved, but McCain should get the title "founding father", perhaps O'Bummer should be the "founding uncle".

Link?

[Swordsmyth]

Link?

If anyone else cares they can answer you.

I'm done wasting my time with you tonight.

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/7h8JS920S9ZtYqFJkuJZRg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAw/http://media.zenfs.com/en-US/homerun/hello_giggles_454/9f42b23cd131d0321783bc258e56246d

[oyarde]

From the link in the OP:





Some were even Nazi era weapons.



Oldest weapon found was an 1898 German rifle.

Everyone knows by now not to trust the germans .

[Zippyjuan]

If anyone else cares they can answer you.

I'm done wasting my time with you tonight.



I see. You don't have a link to support your claim. Thanks anyways.

[Swordsmyth]

I see. You don't have a link to support your claim. Thanks anyways.

I just don't feel like taking the time to track it down for you, you would just ignore it anyway.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Is something he [The ZippyJuan Group] said false?

It's not what the ZippyJuan Group posts. It's why they post it and how they post it. Why do you think they posted?

[AZJoe]

Extensive Wired Report 12/12/17 : ISIS Weapons Supply Chain Traces back to USA (https://www.wired.com/story/terror-industrial-complex-isis-munitions-supply-chain/)

941279902090911745

[AZJoe]

CIA Bought Powerful Missile, Delivered to ISIS (https://www.buzzfeed.com/aramroston/blowback-isis-got-a-powerful-missile-the-cia-secretly?utm_term=.clErrOPPK#.xobaakMML)

A guided anti-tank missile ended up in the hands of ISIS terrorists less than two months after the US government purchased it in late 2015 …

Though the report says the missile was purchased by the US Army using a contractor, BuzzFeed News has learned that the real customer appears to have been the CIA. …

The missile is one piece of a critical puzzle that is being solved only now … How did the vast terror group arm its war machine? CAR spent three years tracking ISIS weapons as they were recovered by Iraqi, Syrian, and Kurdish forces — and found that what happened to the missile was no aberration. Indeed, the terror group managed to divert “substantial quantities of anti-armour ammunition” from weapons provided to Syrian opposition forces by the US or Saudi Arabia.

As BuzzFeed News has reported (https://www.buzzfeed.com/aramroston/the-death-of-a-us-contractor-has-exposed-americas-failures?utm_term=.weZoZ8wdv#.oyx8lr5R3), the US equips (https://www.buzzfeed.com/aramroston/how-a-one-time-pig-peddler-helped-the-us-flood-war-zones-wit?utm_term=.vd5zqq3aw#.ri88ppDAG) proxy armies in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan with weapons such as AK-47s and rocket-propelled grenades made in Russia and Eastern Europe (https://www.buzzfeed.com/aramroston/mobbed-up-arms-dealer-in-american-anti-isis-effort-linked-to?utm_term=.ofaGjlV6w#.swPvPmd1L) … “Evidence collected by CAR indicates that the United States has repeatedly diverted EU-manufactured weapons and ammunition to opposition forces in the Syrian conflict,” … ISIS, it continues, “rapidly gained custody of significant quantities of this materiel.”

The report lists 12 cases where Eastern European weapons originally sent to the US military or US contractors appear to have been diverted, somehow, to ISIS. …

In 2014, the CIA issued a contract to obtain 600 such missiles to Kiesler Police Supply … Kiesler is a small Indiana company that frequently contracts with the CIA … the contract for the missile that ended up in the possession of ISIS was handled by Kiesler.

The Indiana firm acquired those missiles from a Bulgarian company called SAGE Consulting, …

The company also insisted it was not to blame for where the weapons ended up. “Once Kiesler delivers its products to the customer, it does not have visibility with respect to the Government’s handling, use or disposition of the material,” it said. …
SAGE has indeed been manufacturing the 9M111 missile, at a factory called VMZ, for the US government. “They make them only for the Americans,” one said, adding that the US buys as many as SAGE can manufacture. …

in 2015 that the CIA had begun to set up and train small tank-killing units of rebels…

the missile was originally purchased in Bulgaria by the US on Dec. 15, 2015. Just 59 days later, it was recovered in Ramadi, Iraq, after it had been fired by ISIS in combat. …

[AZJoe]

So ISIS is using large quantities of high tech weapons, including high tech missiles provably traced directly back to the U.S.Government, Yet nimrod Nikki Haley is beating the drums of war on Iran because the Yemenis, facing genocide at the hands of US armed and supported Saudi, defended themselves with a missile, the debris of which nimrod Haley alleges has Iran's "fingerprints."

[Influenza]

Some US weapons that ISIS got were captured from abandoned Iraqi bases. Many others were from FSA militants (mostly Al-Qaeda and friends) who ended up joining ISIS after being supplied by the US. And I imagine some weapons were supplied directly to ISIS, as even the official stance of David Petraeus was "we should arm Al-Qaeda." Who even knows for sure what the behind-the-scenes strategy was with regards to the Syrian gov. opposition. But whatever it was, it wasn't good.

That really was a new theory from swordsmyth though. Obama founded ISIS in 2006 as a senator? It would be reasonable to suggest that under his administration, ISIS was being directly armed to fight against Assad. But to say that OBAMA HIMSELF created ISIS in 2006... that's a whole new level of idiocy

[Swordsmyth]

Some US weapons that ISIS got were captured from abandoned Iraqi bases. Many others were from FSA militants (mostly Al-Qaeda and friends) who ended up joining ISIS after being supplied by the US. And I imagine some weapons were supplied directly to ISIS, as even the official stance of David Petraeus was "we should arm Al-Qaeda." Who even knows for sure what the behind-the-scenes strategy was with regards to the Syrian gov. opposition. But whatever it was, it wasn't good.

That really was a new theory from swordsmyth though. Obama founded ISIS in 2006 as a senator? It would be reasonable to suggest that under his administration, ISIS was being directly armed to fight against Assad. But to say that OBAMA HIMSELF created ISIS in 2006... that's a whole new level of idiocy

I said he was involved, I said McCain should get the title "founding father" of ISIS.

[Influenza]

I said he was involved, I said McCain should get the title "founding father" of ISIS.

So Mccain traveled to Syria in 2013 to meet with anti-Assad fighters, so he's the founding father of one such group that may or may not have been represented at the meeting. Is THAT what you are referring to, or in 2006 did Senator Mccain directly found ISIS as well? Where can I find some more information about this 2006 ISIS founding? I'm genuinely interested

[Danke]

Expensive and sophisticated weapons don’t just fall into one hands. Plus the training to effectively use them.

An ISIS propaganda video released (http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-used-us-made-anti-tank-missiles-near-palmyra-2015-6) in June 2015, after the capture of the Syrian city of Palmyra, revealed militants targeting Syrian government forces with U.S.-made BGM-71 TOW anti-tank missiles. One year later, the same missiles, allegedly fired by U.S.-backed Syrian rebels, were used (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-helicopter-idUSKCN10C1WI) to down a Russian Mi-25 assault helicopter.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Expensive and sophisticated weapons don’t just fall into one hands. Plus the training to effectively use them.




Yep. People like the ZippyJuan Group act like someone found a BB gun laying around in somebody's basement.

[Danke]

The 2011 outbreak of civil war in Syria presented Al Qaeda in Iraq with an opportunity to fill a vacuum in a “failed state.” [how was it failed?] It expanded operations into Syria, rebranding itself as ISIS. It proclaimed itself to be the champion of Syria’s Sunni Arab majority against the Assad “regime” [sometimes called a “government “], a secular dictatorship which was dominated by the minority Alawite sect.

Supporting resistence against Asad. Why not call him the founder then?

[goldenequity]

Weapons Went From The CIA To ISIS In Less Than Two Months
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-15/weapons-went-cia-isis-less-two-months-new-study-reveals

Using Cut Outs... an age old tradecraft

The extensive report confirms what former MI6 spy and British diplomat Alastair Crooke once stated - that the CIA established the basis of a “jihadi Wal-Mart” of sorts - to which ISIS had immediate and easy access. Crooke noted that the weapons program was set up with "plausible deniability" in mind, which would allow its American intelligence sponsors to be shielded from any potential future legal prosecution or public embarrassment. Crooke noted in a 2015 BBC interview that, “The West does not actually hand the weapons to al-Qaida, let alone to ISIS…, but the system they’ve constructed leads precisely to that end.”

This is what enables Buzzfeed, USA Today, and others to report the bombshell findings yet continue to soft peddle the significance by emphasizing things like "weaknesses in oversight and regulation" while also highlighting the "accidental" nature of US-supplied missiles "ending up" in the hands of ISIS terrorists.

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2017/12/13/cia4_0.jpg

The anti-tank missile recovered from ISIS in February 2016. It originated with the US Army in December 2015.

the CAR team of experts had already documented the trend of CIA weapons delivered to the Syrian battlefield going to ISIS fighters as early as September of 2014. Beyond this 2014 study, a seemingly endless stream of articles going back years published in independent and international media have underscored the reality of ISIS growing and thriving because of Western and Gulf state covert weapons shipments.

This means that CIA and government analysts knew full well where the weapons were going in real time, yet continued with the program anyway.

General Flynn in the summer of 2015, speaking as recently retired military intelligence officer, warned in no uncertain terms that US-supplied weapons in Syria were going to ISIS, al-Qaeda, and other jihadists. This was so well known at the time that it could be openly stated by a retired high ranking official an a major international program. Flynn also said something similar to both Seymour Hersh and the New York Times in 2015.

But what did the CIA and allied intelligence agencies do? They continued arming the jihadist insurgency in Syria in their efforts to oust Assad. This was indeed "a willful decision" as Flynn affirmed and not mere "weaknesses in oversight and regulation" as Buzzfeed would have us believe.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRR-BgDKugY

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

More great posting and research from AZJoe and Goldenequity. These guys cut right to it. +reps.

[Danke]

Conspiracy Theorists Were Right: Corporate Media Finally Forced to Admit America Armed ISIS (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/conspiracy-theorists-right-msm-admit-cia-armed-isis/)
A new investigation has concluded that 97 percent of the weapons used by the Islamic State were supplied illegally by the U.S. and Saudi Arabia.


By
Rachel Blevins (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/author/rblevins/)
-
December 15, 2017


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/cia-isis-696x366.jpg


While the mainstream media opted to protect the United States government by treating anyone who dared to question the government’s role in the rise of ISIS as crazy conspiracy theorists, a new report is forcing the MSM to admit that those “conspiracies” were true all along.


Now, mainstream media outlets such as Reuters (http://www.businessinsider.com/r-arms-supplied-by-us-saudi-ended-up-with-islamic-state-researchers-say-2017-12?r=UK&IR=T) and USA Today (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/12/14/u-s-bought-weapons-syrian-rebels-and-some-wound-up-hands-isis-terrorists/949209001/) are suddenly reporting that the United States and its close ally, Saudi Arabia, were instrumental in supplying weapons and ammunition to ISIS. Both reports cite an investigation conducted by Conflict Armament Research (CAR), which looked at 40,000 items recovered from Islamic State militants between July 2014 and November 2017.


A final report (http://www.conflictarm.com/download-file/?report_id=2568&file_id=2574) from CAR titled “Weapons of the Islamic State,” concluded that the vast majority of the weapons used by ISIS were supplied in the thousands, given their origin and the fact that they were found “in numbers far beyond those that would have been available to the group through battlefield capture alone.”


More than 97 percent of the weapons and 87 percent of the ammunition used by ISIS were “Warsaw Pact calibers—originating primarily in China, Russia, and Eastern European producer states,” according to the report. However, the weapons were not distributed to the militants by China or Russia.


The weapons and ammunition were originally purchased by the United States and Saudi Arabia, and then distributed to rebel groups opposing the administration of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. While the U.S. claimed to be fighting ISIS, the fact is that ISIS was one of the Syrian rebel groups opposing Assad, and as the report noted, nearly all of their weapons came from those purchased by the U.S. and Saudi Arabia.



“Unauthorized retransfer—the violation of agreements by which a supplier government prohibits the re-export of materiel by a recipient government without its prior consent—is a significant source of IS weapons and ammunition. The United States and Saudi Arabia supplied most of this materiel without authorization, apparently to Syrian opposition forces. This diverted materiel, recovered from IS forces, comprises exclusively Warsaw Pact caliber weapons and ammunition, purchased by the United States and Saudi Arabia from European Union (EU) Member States in Eastern Europe.”


While the report claims that many of the weapons were intended for other Syrian rebel groups before they ended up in the hands of ISIS militants, it also notes how quickly the transition between groups happened, after the weapons were originally supplied.


In one case, an advanced anti-tank guided weapon was “manufactured in the EU, sold to the United States, supplied to a party in the Syrian conflict, transferred to IS forces in Iraq, and documented by a CAR field investigation team following its recovery from IS forces.” The report noted that “the full chain of transactions occurred within two months of the weapon’s dispatch from the factory.”


The serial numbers on the weapons are also crucial in determining how the militants acquired them. According to the report, almost half of the weapons that were investigated featured “serial numbers that are close in sequence to those of other, identical weapons in the sample.” As a result, they found at least “240 sets of weapons that were manufactured in the same production runs and probably exported in the same, or successive, batches.” This suggests that in some cases, the weapons were delivered to the militants by the thousands.


The report noted that in many cases, the “supplies of materiel into the Syrian conflict” from the U.S. and Saudi Arabia allowed ISIS “to obtain substantial quantities of anti-armor ammunition. These weapons include ATGWs and several varieties of rocket with tandem warheads, which are designed to defeat modern reactive armor.”


As the investigation by Conflict Armament Research concluded, although the United States and Saudi Arabia both claimed to support coalitions that were formed for the purpose of defeating the Islamic State, the thousands of weapons they were supplying rebel groups did the opposite.



“These findings are a stark reminder of the contradictions inherent in supplying weapons into armed conflicts in which multiple competing and overlapping non-state armed groups operate. Under such circumstances, it is difficult to exert effective control over which groups ultimately gain custody of weapons. As this report demonstrates, Iraq and Syria have seen IS forces use large numbers of weapons, supplied by states such as Saudi Arabia and the United States, against the various international anti-IS coalitions that the two states support.”


While the mainstream media has failed to ask questions about some of the most obvious red flags in the United States’ foreign policy, The Free Thought Project has provided in-depth coverage of both the United States’ hypocrisy (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/syrian-forces-defeat-isis-weapons-found/) in the Syrian conflict, and Saudi Arabia’s assistance (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/leaked-secret-cable-israeli-saudi/) in helping to strengthen the same group of militants that the two countries claimed to be working to defeat.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Where did the Zippyjuan Group go? Don't they want to discuss the CAR report? They are always telling me to "join the discussion" or "join the conversation." TheCount does that too.
(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?517735-Will-You-Stop-Supporting-Trump-If-He-Signs-A-700-billion-DoD-Budget&p=6564437#post6564437)
Oh, I know; they're off to the next big thread.