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Swordsmyth
12-04-2017, 04:36 PM
While I often write about the “relativism” of the Left, today I’ll keep it simple and relate the insight I had into this matter as a young, 20-something man: People embrace liberalism to justify their own misdeeds.
Think about leftism’s message: You’re not responsible for what you do (e.g., kid-glove “justice”), you don’t have to pay for what you get (e.g., government handouts), it can’t be wrong if it’s consensual (e.g., sexual perversion). The only homage you must pay is to bow at political correctness’ altar. But that’s fine because it’s actual morality leftists want a dispensation from — not faux “morality.”
Why do you think leftists continually attack (traditional) sexual morality? While there can be more than one reason, the dominant one — remember that people are governed by emotion more than reason — is that they themselves have an affinity for behaviors that this morality condemns. So they condemn it.
So it’s an old, and very human, story: People seek to justify themselves. They attack what threatens their power. They attack what threatens their wealth. They attack what threatens their status. So what would you conclude about the group that most attacks what threatens sin?

More at: https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/item/27502-why-almost-all-the-sex-scandals-involve-liberals

enhanced_deficit
12-04-2017, 04:47 PM
Lately it seems so.. especially.

Could one possible reason be that we have a conservative POTUS well trained in media arts in power now that allows for more freedom of press on these issues, many of which occured years/deacdes ago?



Also, is Geraldo a conservative or liberal or moderate liberal?


Bette Midler says Geraldo Rivera drugged and groped her in the 1970s



John Lynch

Nov. 30, 2017,

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/5a206301f914c352018b71db-506-253/bette-midler-says-geraldo-rivera-drugged-and-groped-her-in-the-1970s-and-has-never-apologized.jpg
"He and his producer left the crew in the other room, they pushed me into my bathroom, they broke two poppers [the drug amyl nitrite] and pushed them under my nose and proceeded to grope me," Midler told Walters in the interview.

http://www.businessinsider.com/bette-midler-says-geraldo-rivera-drugged-and-groped-her-in-the-1970s-2017-11

Swordsmyth
12-04-2017, 04:53 PM
Lately it seems so.. especially.

Could one possible reason be that we have a conservative POTUS well trained in media arts in power now that allows for more freedom of press on these issues, many of which occured years/deacdes ago?

It's more than that:



In the commentary on the recent sex scandals, which seem to claim a new scalp every week, a certain disclaimer is often issued. It’s something even conservatives such as Tucker Carlson have uttered: “Of course, it happens on both sides.”

Well, technically, yeah.
At perhaps a 10-to-1 ratio.
Liberal to conservative.
No, that’s not a scientific number. But it’s likely far more astute than the reflexive “happens on both sides” effort at equivalence, which is much like the water-muddying diversionary pronouncement “There are Christian terrorists, too!”

Just consider some of the men recently revealed as guilty of sexual misconduct: Harvey Weinstein (shown), Senator Al Franken, Charlie Rose, Matt Lauer, Kevin Spacey, Ben Affleck, screenwriter James Toback, The Loud House creator Chris Savino, Vox Media editorial director Lockhart Steele, journalist Mark Halperin, NPR editor Michael Oreskes, NPR Chief News Editor David Sweeney, NPR host Garrison Keillor, reporter Glenn Thrush, actor Jeffrey Tambor, Representative John Conyers, New Republic editor Leon Wieseltier, comedian Louis C.K., music producer Russell Simmons, and CNN senior producer Teddy Davis.
Against these 20 leftists, during the same time period, we have on the “right” (maybe) Judge Roy Moore and ex-president G.H.W. Bush; that is, if you consider Bush a conservative, believe the allegations against them and ignore that neither has been taken down by them.
Moreover, inclusive of many recent and not-so-recent licentious leftists, we have the following 61-name list, courtesy of American Thinker:
https://www.thenewamerican.com/images/amthinklist1.png


https://www.thenewamerican.com/images/amthinklist2.png

https://www.thenewamerican.com/images/amthinklist3.png
https://www.thenewamerican.com/images/amthinklist.png
https://www.thenewamerican.com/images/amthinklist4.png
Also note that of the above individuals, American Thinker editor Thomas Lifson writes, “13 were involved in some form of pedophilia ... from kiddy porn to child sexual molestation ... over 20%. What a great movement, that progressivism!”

Of course, some may point out that going back decades, additional conservative transgressors can also be found. True, but the above list isn’t all-inclusive. If you’d cite Bill O’Reilly and Roger Ailes (assuming we can call them conservatives), I’d raise you Digital Entertainment Network founders Marc Collins-Rector and Chad Shackley (convicted of child sex offenses). If you’d mention Idaho Republican ex-senator Larry Craig, I’d pull out former New Jersey Democrat governor Jim McGreevey. If you’d show GOP congressman Mark Sanford, whose extra-marital affair ended his South Carolina governorship, I’d counter with Democrat ex-senator Gary Hart, whose extra-marital affair ended his 1988 presidential run. If you’d produce Republican Denny Hastert, who abused underage teen boys, I’d produce late Democrat Harvey Milk, who also abused underage teen boys (but nonetheless is now honored). Further dishonorable mention would be leftists Woody Allen; director Victor Salva; child talent agent Marty Weiss; late congressman Gerry Studds, who had sexual relations with a teen boy; and the Hollywood pederast cartel in general. My guess is that you’d run out of cards before I do.

euphemia
12-04-2017, 05:01 PM
Hence, my signature line: False freedom is when people think they can do whatever they want, or whatever their urges drive them to do and the taxpayers pick up the tab for any children resulting from those desires.

True freedom is when people have the freedom to do what they ought to do . Married people should not have to divorce and live together to satisfy government's confiscation of wealth when one of the spouses is sick. It happens. Probably more than you think.

Swordsmyth
12-04-2017, 05:07 PM
Hence, my signature line: False freedom is when people think they can do whatever they want, or whatever their urges drive them to do. True freedom is when people have the freedom to do what they ought to do and the taxpayers pick up the tab for any children resulting from those desires. Married people should not have to divorce and live together to satisfy government's confiscation of wealth when one of the spouses is sick. It happens. Probably more than you think.

????

The people involved or family or friends or private charity should be the ones to "pick up the tab".

Zippyjuan
12-04-2017, 06:25 PM
Neither party has a corner on morality. They all have somebody doing it.

Roy Moore isn't a liberal.

Blake Farenthold of Texas: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/12/01/congressmans-sexual-harassment-settlement-paid-tax-dollars/915689001/

Another Texas Republican- Joe Barton: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/nude-selfie-ends-joe-bartons-career-in-the-house/article/2642151

Tim Murphy of Pennsylvania: https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/rep-tim-murphy-resigns-from-congress-after-allegedly-asking-woman-to-have-abortion/2017/10/05/7a68a414-aa08-11e7-850e-2bdd1236be5d_story.html?utm_term=.aaaacbae8ca8


Fox News was the top molester for a while. Bill O'Reily has paid out millions for charges. Sean Hanity made the news for it. Their head Roger Ailes who lost his job. Latin reporter for them Francisco Cortes was charged and fired. Eric Bolling also fired over sexual harassment at Fox News.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/20/media/fox-news-sex-harassment/index.html

http://fortune.com/2017/09/09/eric-bolling-fired-sexual-harassment/

https://www.aol.com/article/entertainment/2017/04/24/sean-hannity-slammed-with-sexual-harassment-allegations-from-for/22053237/

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/bill-oreilly-fired-sexual-harassment-fox-news-timeline-1202372546/

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sean-hannity-roy-moore-allegations_us_5a050814e4b0e37d2f3697c2

dannno
12-04-2017, 06:27 PM
Roy Moore isn't a liberal.

Fox News was the top molester for a while. Bill O'Reily has paid out millions for charges. Sean Hanity made the news for it. Their head Roger Ailes who lost his job. Latin reporter for them Francisco Cortes was charged and fired. Eric Bolling also fired over sexual harassment at Fox News.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/20/media/fox-news-sex-harassment/index.html

http://fortune.com/2017/09/09/eric-bolling-fired-sexual-harassment/

https://www.aol.com/article/entertainment/2017/04/24/sean-hannity-slammed-with-sexual-harassment-allegations-from-for/22053237/

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/bill-oreilly-fired-sexual-harassment-fox-news-timeline-1202372546/

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sean-hannity-roy-moore-allegations_us_5a050814e4b0e37d2f3697c2


So the score is something like 7 to 185?

Swordsmyth
12-04-2017, 06:34 PM
Roy Moore isn't a liberal.

Blake Farenthold of Texas: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/12/01/congressmans-sexual-harassment-settlement-paid-tax-dollars/915689001/

Another Texas Republican- Joe Barton: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/nude-selfie-ends-joe-bartons-career-in-the-house/article/2642151

Tim Murphy of Pennsylvania: https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/rep-tim-murphy-resigns-from-congress-after-allegedly-asking-woman-to-have-abortion/2017/10/05/7a68a414-aa08-11e7-850e-2bdd1236be5d_story.html?utm_term=.aaaacbae8ca8


Fox News was the top molester for a while. Bill O'Reily has paid out millions for charges. Sean Hanity made the news for it. Their head Roger Ailes who lost his job. Latin reporter for them Francisco Cortes was charged and fired. Eric Bolling also fired over sexual harassment at Fox News.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/20/media/fox-news-sex-harassment/index.html

http://fortune.com/2017/09/09/eric-bolling-fired-sexual-harassment/

https://www.aol.com/article/entertainment/2017/04/24/sean-hannity-slammed-with-sexual-harassment-allegations-from-for/22053237/

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/bill-oreilly-fired-sexual-harassment-fox-news-timeline-1202372546/

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sean-hannity-roy-moore-allegations_us_5a050814e4b0e37d2f3697c2

Read the article before you embarrass yourself again.

timosman
12-04-2017, 07:00 PM
Read the article before you embarrass yourself again.

Why do we constantly have to play whack-a-mole with this one?

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/955/487/440.gif

Swordsmyth
12-04-2017, 07:03 PM
Why do we constantly have to play whack-a-mole with this one?

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/955/487/440.gif


He certainly is the worst unbanned frequent poster on this forum, he even outright opposes the site mission from time to time.

timosman
12-04-2017, 07:15 PM
He certainly is the worst unbanned frequent poster on this forum, he even outright opposes the site mission from time to time.

He must own the site. What would be the other explanation for his presence? I understand liberty is not popular, but allowing for this?!:eek:

http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/2399/3779/1600/435149/TongueFrozenStuck.jpg

enhanced_deficit
12-04-2017, 08:42 PM
California assemblyman accused of forcing lobbyist into bathroom and masturbating

http://www.trbimg.com/img-5a1f28cd/turbine/la-1511991497-cx58c6mj0j-snap-image/750/750x422
Assemblyman Matt Dababneh (D-Woodland Hills) (Kirk McKoy / Los Angeles Times)

Melanie Mason

Sacramento lobbyist Pamela Lopez has claimed that, in 2016, Democratic Assemblyman Matt Dababneh followed her into a bathroom, masturbated in front of her and urged her to touch him. Dababneh has strongly denied the allegation.
"It was Matt Dababneh," Lopez told The Times in a November interview.
Lopez jolted the California political world seven weeks ago when she first shared her account of an encounter in Las Vegas, joining more than 140 women as they denounced in an open letter a "pervasive" culture of sexual harassment and misconduct in the state Capitol.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-matt-dababneh-harassment-20171204-story.html

euphemia
12-04-2017, 09:59 PM
????

The people involved or family or friends or private charity should be the ones to "pick up the tab".

Exactly. Reading comprehension, my friend.

euphemia
12-04-2017, 10:00 PM
Why do we constantly have to play whack-a-mole with this one?

Why bother? It's pretty clear what the board is about and what we think.

Swordsmyth
12-04-2017, 10:04 PM
Exactly. Reading comprehension, my friend.

You said:


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by euphemia http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=6559509#post6559509)
True freedom is when people have the freedom to do what they ought to do and the taxpayers pick up the tab for any children resulting from those desires.



That is not true freedom, in true freedom the taxpayers don't pick up the tab.

Did you mean something else?

euphemia
12-04-2017, 10:38 PM
Exactly. Reading comprehension, my friend.

I apologize. It's amazing how one phrase out of place contorts the whole thing.

Swordsmyth
12-04-2017, 10:46 PM
I apologize. It's amazing how one phrase out of place contorts the whole thing.
Don't worry, it happens to everybody:)

Influenza
12-05-2017, 12:08 AM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_sex_scandals_in_the_Unit ed_States

Didn't bother counting, but certainly more R than D

Raginfridus
12-05-2017, 12:13 AM
The loudest virtue signalers are typically the loudest under sheets.

Swordsmyth
12-05-2017, 12:25 AM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_sex_scandals_in_the_Unit ed_States

Didn't bother counting, but certainly more R than D

Because Wikipedia is a reliable, unbiased and exhaustive source?
And because all Republicans are conservative?

LOL

Swordsmyth
12-05-2017, 12:26 AM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_sex_scandals_in_the_Unit ed_States

Didn't bother counting, but certainly more R than D

And who limited this to politicians anyway?

Danke
12-05-2017, 02:28 AM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_sex_scandals_in_the_Unit ed_States

Didn't bother counting, but certainly more R than D

Actually it is the other way around. But I can understand a liberal reading it the way you did.

Danke
12-05-2017, 02:29 AM
Because Wikipedia is a reliable, unbiased and exhaustive source?
And because all Republicans are conservative?

LOL


Don’t ya just love the liberals here?

Swordsmyth
12-05-2017, 02:35 AM
Don’t ya just love the liberals here?

They do all follow the same playbook don't they?

EBounding
12-05-2017, 06:28 AM
Wait, I thought this was a new plot by the establishment to keep constitutional conservatives out of office?

shakey1
12-05-2017, 06:57 AM
Didn't bother counting, but certainly more R than D

MSM seems to emphasize the R scandals.

Suzanimal
12-05-2017, 07:02 AM
I don't know if more libs have sex scandals but I will admit the MSM certainly makes a bigger deal out the conservatives who get caught with their pants down.

As far as any of it goes, I don't give a crap who any of them are banging as long as it's consensual.

Influenza
12-05-2017, 07:15 AM
Actually it is the other way around. But I can understand a liberal reading it the way you did.
Anyone who supports Trump and his ilk are unprincipled supporters of liberal policy who are only lying to themselves. Anyways, I did quickly count all of them 70s and after, Rs have way more than D. If I counted 80s and after it would be more than double.

And anyways, even many "demoncrats" are right wing. While you refer to people like Bernie Sanders as communists, compare him to some leftists around the world and he would be center-left. The establishment Dems are way to his right, and most R are even further.

And absolutely hilarious that the fucking idiot swordsmyth, who uses a genocidal book written by desert dwelling half wits as a source of wisdom, and had recently linked to a source that was trying to prove a conspiracy by referring to about 15 other conspiracy theories and tying them all together, would have problems with Wikipedia, a source that links to another source with every claim being made. I guess that's far too transparent for you.

You literally only believe what you want to believe. Anything against your preconceived notions is fake news. Must be awesome to live in a world where everything reinforces your world view and no critical thinking is needed

AZJoe
12-05-2017, 07:31 AM
Don’t care so much about an old affair or consensual adult sexting or even consensual adult solicitation except to the extent of its use as blackmail or leverage, but all the assaults, nonconsensual acts, and pedophilia are very disturbing regardless of which color political shirt they are wearing.

That said, however, there is a rather stark level of political dichotomy not only in terms of quantity (as much as a 10 to 1 ratio as pointed out in prior post (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?517448-Why-Almost-All-the-Sex-Scandals-Involve-Liberals&p=6559507&viewfull=1#post6559507)) but also in terms of heinousness of the activities. Folks like O’Reilly (https://www.amny.com/news/bill-o-reilly-sexual-harassment-scandal-explained-1.13367681), Ailes (http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/18/media/timeline-roger-ailes-last-year/index.html), Larry Craig (arguably more big gov’t neocons btw and not conservative) guilty of workplace harassing comments and propositions or solicitation versus on the other hand Harvey Weinstein, Clinton, Charlie Sheen, Anthony Weiner, Marty Weiss, Woody Allen, Mel Reynolds, Gerry Studds, Bob Menendez, Ed Murray involving crimes of all out actual forced rapes, child sex offenses and/or pedophilia. The only “conservative” I can think of in that level of rape/pedophilia heinousness list is the notorious Hastert.

Not to mention mixed up mental weirdness like spirit cooking (with simulated murders, cannibalism, blood drinking etc.) , the Podesta pedophilia art or Joe Biden’s hands all over children.

AZJoe
12-05-2017, 08:16 AM
Here are some cynical thoughts on this. With all the sexting, phone calls, emails, texting, travel, purchases, spending, meetings photos, messages, etc. involved, the all seeing eye of the total surveillance NSA is fully aware of every one of these transgressions including the horrible rapes and child sex crimes. Not to mention other crimes like money laundering through fake charity slush funds, destroying government property containing evidence and records, cover-ups, using IRS and government agencies to target political opposition, etc. Yet such heinous activities by powerful individuals continues unabated for years. Never getting called on unless and until a victim or whistleblower outs them with evidence. Why?

Why does the all-seeing deep state allow such abominable crimes against victims to continue unabated? What does the all-seeing deep state do with its boundless database of every electronic communication and transaction? Certainly then not to thwart corruption, uphold the constitution, or safeguard a Constitutional Republic. Why does the deep state seem to favor and protect the political leaders most covered in corruption and dark secrets? Why do the most corrupt tend to support and espouse deep state CIA/NSA/MIC propaganda and objectives despite all reason or evidence to the contra?

The cynical mind would ask “cui bono?” and answer that the deep state benefits itself from corrupt political and other leaders. A deep state that has proven it has no problem using torture, murder, assassination, proxy terrorists, false flags, lies, war on false pretenses, media manipulation, color revolutions, renditions, dictators, drug running, arms running, experimentation on unknowing US citizen, and more, likes and prefers corrupt leaders. The more heinous the skeletons in the closet, the more it enables the deep state to indirectly control select political leaders; to indirectly protect its puppet assets (both willing and unwitting) in the government; and to sabotage those politicos that threaten its interventionist power expanding agenda by selectively leaking unfavorable or embarrassing information from its bottomless pit of gathered data mining. Is it a Government of the blackmail, by the blackmail, for the deep state?

Just some musings of cynical speculation.

Cuis custodiet ipsos custodies? -- Who watches the watchmen?

Swordsmyth
12-05-2017, 01:28 PM
Wait, I thought this was a new plot by the establishment to keep constitutional conservatives out of office?

They always accuse their enemies of what they are guilty of.

dannno
12-05-2017, 01:34 PM
nyways, I did quickly count all of them 70s and after, Rs have way more than D. If I counted 80s and after it would be more than double.


*Bullshit*

Ender
12-05-2017, 02:37 PM
You said:

That is not true freedom, in true freedom the taxpayers don't pick up the tab.

Did you mean something else?

In true freedom, there aren't "tax-payers".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IIt6aYiZbw

Influenza
12-05-2017, 03:05 PM
*Bull$#@!*
41 R
19 D
1980 - present

obviously without making any distinction on severity etc. you guys can do that if you want. I would personally give extra severity points to all the Rs with homosexual scandals

Someone mentioned all the famous liberals that have scandals and so few conservative famous people. I think it has something to do with the vast majority of famous people in Hollywood and sports being liberals, and less to do with anything else.

anaconda
12-05-2017, 03:38 PM
Bette Midler says Geraldo Rivera drugged and groped her in the 1970s

Must have pissed off Aaron Russo.

anaconda
12-05-2017, 03:40 PM
But if memory serves, during the Bush II administration it was typically some "anti-gay" closet Republican getting busted in a public restroom by undercover cops.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/sep/02/usa.paulharris

nikcers
12-05-2017, 03:51 PM
Evil loves to turn a good person bad. I always thought they controlled people by forcing people or tricking people intto committing immoral acts while recording evidence and blackmailing. This all seems targeted though, the blackmail racket is not partisan.

Raginfridus
12-05-2017, 08:43 PM
http://i.imgur.com/DACqLIY.gif

Did you guys see that?!

Nobody's been sheksually assaulted have they?

r3volution 3.0
12-05-2017, 10:06 PM
While I often write about the “relativism” of the Left, today I’ll keep it simple and relate the insight I had into this matter as a young, 20-something man: People embrace liberalism to justify their own misdeeds.
Think about leftism’s message: You’re not responsible for what you do (e.g., kid-glove “justice”), you don’t have to pay for what you get (e.g., government handouts), it can’t be wrong if it’s consensual (e.g., sexual perversion). The only homage you must pay is to bow at political correctness’ altar. But that’s fine because it’s actual morality leftists want a dispensation from — not faux “morality.”
Why do you think leftists continually attack (traditional) sexual morality? While there can be more than one reason, the dominant one — remember that people are governed by emotion more than reason — is that they themselves have an affinity for behaviors that this morality condemns. So they condemn it.
So it’s an old, and very human, story: People seek to justify themselves. They attack what threatens their power. They attack what threatens their wealth. They attack what threatens their status. So what would you conclude about the group that most attacks what threatens sin?

More at: https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/item/27502-why-almost-all-the-sex-scandals-involve-liberals

Which of the persons accused of degenerate sexual conduct weren't leftists?

Let me rephrase, which Democrats or Republicans aren't leftists?

anaconda
12-08-2017, 10:59 PM
Let me rephrase, which Democrats or Republicans aren't leftists?

Rand Paul, Mike Lee, Thomas Massie, Justin Amash.

r3volution 3.0
12-09-2017, 01:21 PM
Rand Paul, Mike Lee, Thomas Massie, Justin Amash.

Yep, that about covers it.

kpitcher
12-10-2017, 05:17 PM
Would you consider the hundreds of catholic priests who were part of their scandal liberal or conservative? Or are we just talking about people who have been recently caught?

timosman
12-10-2017, 05:33 PM
Would you consider the hundreds of catholic priests who were part of their scandal liberal or conservative? Or are we just talking about people who have been recently caught?

Why don't you check some of these threads - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/search.php?do=process&query=pope&titleonly=1

Swordsmyth
12-10-2017, 07:07 PM
Would you consider the hundreds of catholic priests who were part of their scandal liberal or conservative? Or are we just talking about people who have been recently caught?

The Catholics started "Social Justice" so I would tend to believe they are liberals.

Weston White
12-11-2017, 05:09 AM
The Bush's are RINO; French socialist Dominique Strauss-Kahn; Jeffrey Epstein catered mostly to Democrats; Jared Fogle Jewish and Hollywood connected.

Republicanguy
12-28-2017, 09:36 PM
Here are some cynical thoughts on this. With all the sexting, phone calls, emails, texting, travel, purchases, spending, meetings photos, messages, etc. involved, the all seeing eye of the total surveillance NSA is fully aware of every one of these transgressions including the horrible rapes and child sex crimes. Not to mention other crimes like money laundering through fake charity slush funds, destroying government property containing evidence and records, cover-ups, using IRS and government agencies to target political opposition, etc. Yet such heinous activities by powerful individuals continues unabated for years. Never getting called on unless and until a victim or whistleblower outs them with evidence. Why?

Why does the all-seeing deep state allow such abominable crimes against victims to continue unabated? What does the all-seeing deep state do with its boundless database of every electronic communication and transaction? Certainly then not to thwart corruption, uphold the constitution, or safeguard a Constitutional Republic. Why does the deep state seem to favor and protect the political leaders most covered in corruption and dark secrets? Why do the most corrupt tend to support and espouse deep state CIA/NSA/MIC propaganda and objectives despite all reason or evidence to the contra?

The cynical mind would ask “cui bono?” and answer that the deep state benefits itself from corrupt political and other leaders. A deep state that has proven it has no problem using torture, murder, assassination, proxy terrorists, false flags, lies, war on false pretenses, media manipulation, color revolutions, renditions, dictators, drug running, arms running, experimentation on unknowing US citizen, and more, likes and prefers corrupt leaders. The more heinous the skeletons in the closet, the more it enables the deep state to indirectly control select political leaders; to indirectly protect its puppet assets (both willing and unwitting) in the government; and to sabotage those politicos that threaten its interventionist power expanding agenda by selectively leaking unfavorable or embarrassing information from its bottomless pit of gathered data mining. Is it a Government of the blackmail, by the blackmail, for the deep state?

Just some musings of cynical speculation.

Cuis custodiet ipsos custodies? -- Who watches the watchmen?

The one who thinks he has an answer for everything.

dannno
12-28-2017, 09:41 PM
The one who thinks he has an answer for everything.

I didn't see "answers" I just saw somebody thinking.

oyarde
12-28-2017, 09:55 PM
Would you consider the hundreds of catholic priests who were part of their scandal liberal or conservative? Or are we just talking about people who have been recently caught?

It is a strange demographic , in my experience in the cities nearby here, like Jews and Blacks they vote Dem even though the dem platform is supposedly against the values they claim to have .

Danke
01-11-2018, 02:26 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO88pWIkuuM

...

VIDEODROME
01-11-2018, 03:53 AM
Not sure I agree with how the Left is characterized, but I'll play and suggest another angle. Abortion.

I think many people including the late Hugh Hefner liked to appear Progressive or even Feminist supporting a woman's right to choose. More likely, these guys really just wanted to preserve the option to terminate any accidental pregnancies.