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enhanced_deficit
12-02-2017, 08:20 PM
Pretty strong tone for one of the largest "unbiased" news mags in the world:

Would A Government Shutdown Delay A Trump Impeachment Vote?

By Jessica Kwong On 12/2/17 at 3:09 PM

The looming possibility of a government shutdown could interfere with a promised vote to impeach President Donald Trump next week.
That’s because during a shutdown—which could happen if Congress fails to pass a spending bill by midnight December 8—legislators would only be focused on negotiations to try to reach funding agreements. An impeachment vote would be off keel.

Perhaps that is a reason Trump didn't disclose when he apparently said a shutdown might be good for him. The president told confidants he sees his hard-line immigration stance as a means of regaining supporters, The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-tells-confidants-that-a-government-shutdown-might-be-good-for-him/2017/11/30/e5328328-d5f5-11e7-a986-d0a9770d9a3e_story.html?utm_term=.1d81ea9498ec) reported on Thursday. White House Legislative Affairs Director Marc Short told the newspaper that Trump is “not advocating for a shutdown in any way.”

http://www.newsweek.com/would-government-shutdown-delay-trump-impeachment-vote-729318

Raginfridus
12-02-2017, 08:23 PM
What are they impeaching him for again?

enhanced_deficit
12-02-2017, 08:25 PM
"For not stopping gummit shutdown".

J/K, reasons keep eveolving but this is cited in the NW article:


Green called for an impeachment vote claiming Trump is “the chief inciter of racism, bigotry, hatred, xenophobia, sexism, ethnocentrism." The impeachment articles he presented in October state that Trump “brought disrepute on the presidency” and “undermined the integrity of his office” but do not make any criminal accusations.


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Drudge has this:

PRESIDENT'S GALLUP POLL PLUNGE: 62% DISAPPROVAL... (http://news.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx)

timosman
12-02-2017, 08:29 PM
What are they impeaching him for again?

Maxine explains it best (@13min mark)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l6xbLVwzfM

Raginfridus
12-02-2017, 08:41 PM
"For not stopping gummit shutdown".lol@ mythical beast

(I wish it was real)


Maxine explains it best (@13min mark)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l6xbLVwzfMCan Presidents be impeached for j walking?

timosman
12-02-2017, 08:47 PM
Can Presidents be impeached for j walking?

Yes, if they can get enough votes in the House.

Zippyjuan
12-02-2017, 08:48 PM
You need hearings for months on potential charges before you might even consider a vote on impeachment (assuming that things went that far). We are talking a looonngg ways off should it happen. The Judiciary Committee would have to host those proceedings and the House Judiciary Committee is run by the Republican Party. Not gonna happen.

http://litigation.findlaw.com/legal-system/presidential-impeachment-the-legal-standard-and-procedure.html


Both the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate have the right to make their own rules governing their procedure, and to change those rules. Under current rules, the actual impeachment inquiry begins in the Judiciary Committee of the House of Representatives. That Committee holds hearings, takes evidence, and hears testimony of witnesses concerning matters relevant to the inquiry. Typically, as occurred in the case of President Nixon, there will also be a Minority Counsel who serves the interest of the party not controlling Congress.

Witnesses are interrogated by the Committee Counsel, the Minority Counsel, and each of the members of the House Judiciary Committee. The Committee formulates Articles of Impeachment which could contain multiple counts. The Committee votes on the Articles of Impeachment and the results of the vote are reported to the House as a whole. The matter is then referred to the whole House which debates the matter and votes on the Articles of Impeachment, which may or may not be changed. If the Articles of Impeachment are approved, the matter is sent to the Senate for trial.

Swordsmyth
12-02-2017, 08:53 PM
Can Presidents be impeached for j walking?

It has to be a "High crime" or a "Misdemeanor", those definitions can get a little sketchy though.

Raginfridus
12-02-2017, 09:10 PM
It has to be a "High crime" or a "Misdemeanor", those definitions can get a little sketchy though.
So j walking on his way to the Russian embassy?

Zippyjuan
12-02-2017, 09:12 PM
So j walking on his way to the Russian embassy?

Clinton's was about having sex.

angelatc
12-02-2017, 09:15 PM
Clinton's was about having sex.

No, Clinton's was about lying to Congress.

timosman
12-02-2017, 09:15 PM
Clinton's was about having sex.

Nope, it was a distraction from Chinagate. I think there is a video of Ron talking about it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKysmlPVcYY

Raginfridus
12-02-2017, 09:16 PM
Good point. Though I forget if he was impeached for lying about it or for liking it. He should have been impeached for bombing Kosovo and continuing the Iraq war, but then nobody cares about that.

Danke
12-02-2017, 09:43 PM
They illegally wire tapped his phone.

r3volution 3.0
12-02-2017, 09:54 PM
What are they impeaching him for again?

General stupidity?

Bolshevism?

...to be clear, those are reasons for which he ought to be impeached, not the reasons for which he will/would.

Raginfridus
12-02-2017, 10:00 PM
General stupidity?

Bolshevism?

...to be clear, those are reasons for which he ought to be impeached, not the reasons for which he will/would.Those things might get him impeached in the 1850s. Maybe.

More likely he'd be stabbed, shot, or defenestrated.

r3volution 3.0
12-02-2017, 10:01 PM
Those things might get him impeached in the 1850s. Maybe.

Maybe

Leapin Lincoln survived, so...

oyarde
12-02-2017, 11:59 PM
"For not stopping gummit shutdown".

J/K, reasons keep eveolving but this is cited in the NW article:




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Pretty sure the chief inciter of racism , bigotry and hatred was the last guy .......

Zippyjuan
12-04-2017, 12:38 PM
No, Clinton's was about lying to Congress.

Lying about having sex. The hearings were about the sex. The resulting charge was lying about the sex.

devil21
12-04-2017, 01:47 PM
Don't worry, Trump's boss Chuck Schumer is visiting him at home on Thursday to give Trump his marching orders.

Watch, whatever Schumer publicly states about a shutdown is what Trump will say, too.

Schumer owns Trump.

angelatc
12-04-2017, 02:10 PM
Lying about having sex. The hearings were about the sex. The resulting charge was lying about the sex.

It was actually the result of the sexual harassment Paula Jones brought. Clinton was impeached for obstruction of justice and perjury.

timosman
12-04-2017, 02:16 PM
It was actually the result of the sexual harassment Paula Jones brought. Clinton was impeached for obstruction of justice and perjury.

Impeached by the House, acquitted by the Senate.

angelatc
12-04-2017, 02:17 PM
Impeached by the House, acquitted by the Senate.


He was impeached. The Senate didn't remove him from office.

enhanced_deficit
12-04-2017, 03:51 PM
Don't worry, Trump's boss Chuck Schumer is visiting him at home on Thursday to give Trump his marching orders.

Watch, whatever Schumer publicly states about a shutdown is what Trump will say, too.




To be fair, Schumer did not show up at Trump's White House meeting couple of days ago.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4pp6CYw9SA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4pp6CYw9SA

devil21
12-04-2017, 07:16 PM
To be fair, Schumer did not show up at Trump's White House meeting couple of days ago.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4pp6CYw9SA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4pp6CYw9SA

Nothing more than theater to keep up the illusion. Everytime the debt ceiling/shutdown issues arises, Chuck and Nancy swing by the WH, Chuck leaves with a big ol' smile and announces his position to the media. A few hours later Trump announces exactly the same thing that Chuck said. Seems pretty obvious to me that Chuck is calling the shots, at least on all things debt ceiling/shutdown.

Zippyjuan
12-04-2017, 07:21 PM
He was impeached. The Senate didn't remove him from office.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton


The impeachment process of Bill Clinton was initiated by the House of Representatives on December 19, 1998, against Bill Clinton, the 42nd President of the United States, on two charges, one of perjury and one of obstruction of justice.[1] These charges stemmed from a sexual harassment lawsuit filed against Clinton by Paula Jones. Clinton was subsequently acquitted of these charges by the Senate on February 12, 1999.[2] Two other impeachment articles – a second perjury charge and a charge of abuse of power – failed in the House.

Zippyjuan
12-04-2017, 07:41 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/trump-impeachment/547358/

Not that they were that high to begin with- the Justice Committee would first have to file charges- and Republicans control that. Get past that, and you need two thirds of the House of Representatives. Also not going to happen.


The Odds of Impeachment Are Dropping

Now that Michael Flynn has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI, and agreed to dish on his former boss, some Trump-watchers are suggesting that impeachment may be around the corner. “It’s time to start talking about impeachment,” announced a Saturday column on CNN.com. The Flynn deal, declared former Deputy Assistant Attorney General Harry Litman in Friday’s New York Times, “portends the likelihood of impeachable charges being brought against the president of the United States.”

That may be true. But bringing impeachment charges against Trump, and actually forcing him from office, are two vastly different things. And while the former may be more likely today than it was half a year ago, the latter is actually less likely. Since Robert Mueller became special counsel in May, the chances of the House of Representatives passing articles of impeachment—and the Senate ratifying them—have probably gone down.

That’s because impeachment is less a legal process than a political one. Passing articles of impeachment requires a majority of the House. Were such a vote held today—even if every Democrat voted yes—it would still require 22 Republicans. If Democrats take the House next fall, they could then pass articles of impeachment on their own. But ratifying those articles would require two-thirds of the Senate, which would probably require at least 15 Republican votes.




The last decade has shown that you can get big things through Congress with the support of only one party. In 2009, Democrats passed a stimulus bill and Obamacare with no help from the GOP. Last week on tax cuts, Republicans did the reverse. But removing a president requires bipartisanship. And in this ultra-partisan age, that means removing a president is virtually impossible, even when he’s Donald Trump.