URGENT: Stop gun control vote in US House!

[Matt Collins]

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From our friends at NAGR:




A gun control bill just passed out of the Republican controlled House Judiciary Committee.

The bill mirrors legislation sponsored by rabid gun grabber Dianne Feinstein in the Senate, and expands the already massive Brady-NICS gun registration database.


The vote was overwhelming, only being opposed by the following Representatives:


Rep. Steve King (R-IA)
Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH)
Rep. Raul Labrador (R-ID)
Rep. Ken Buck (R-CO)
Rep. Andy Biggs (R-AZ)
Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX)


Now it’s now off to the House Floor, where a vote could come at any time.


That’s why we must fight back now, and stop this radical bill from moving any further.


**** Please call your Representative right away, and urge them to oppose the Brady-NICS Gun Registration expansion bill, H.R. 4477. The main switchboard is (202) 224-3121 ****


This bill is especially troubling considering the issues that Brady-NICS expansions have caused in the past.

[phill4paul]

Vote! Call! Make a difference! Lol.

[Zippyjuan]

Link to bill (no text or summary yet): https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/4477/titles?r=11

Listed as introduced yesterday and referred to committee.

[Matt Collins]

Link to bill (no text or summary yet): https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/4477/titles?r=11
That is very curious... we must vote to know whats in it?

[Zippyjuan]

That is very curious... we must vote to know whats in it?

I think it would be very unusual for a bill to pass though committee in just one day. Doesn't seem to have passed committee as far as I can tell but maybe information isn't updated yet.

Committee website doesn't say they passed it yet. https://www.congress.gov/committee/house-judiciary/hsju00


Latest Action: House - 11/29/2017 Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.

Co-sponsors:


Cosponsor Date Cosponsored
Rep. Cuellar, Henry [D-TX-28]* 11/29/2017
Rep. Esty, Elizabeth H. [D-CT-5]* 11/29/2017
Rep. Aguilar, Pete [D-CA-31]* 11/29/2017
Rep. Costello, Ryan A. [R-PA-6]* 11/29/2017
Rep. Speier, Jackie [D-CA-14]* 11/29/2017
Rep. Richmond, Cedric L. [D-LA-2]* 11/29/2017
Rep. McCaul, Michael T. [R-TX-10]* 11/29/2017
Rep. Comstock, Barbara [R-VA-10]* 11/29/2017
Rep. Titus, Dina [D-NV-1]*

Calendar doesn't show the committee even meeting today. They did meet yesterday when it was introduced. Next scheduled meeting December 7th (and that is their only one for the month listed). http://docs.house.gov/Committee/Calendar/ByMonth.aspx?Code=JU00

I don't think anything has happened besides introducing it.

[Matt Collins]

I think it would be very unusual for a bill to pass though committee in just one day. Doesn't seem to have passed committee as far as I can tell but maybe information isn't updated yet.http://www.guns.com/2017/11/30/national-concealed-carry-reciprocity-clears-first-hurdle-in-congress/

[Zippyjuan]

http://www.guns.com/2017/11/30/national-concealed-carry-reciprocity-clears-first-hurdle-in-congress/

A better bill. I see that was introduced on January 3rd and moved out of committee (to another subcommittee) on January 12th. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/all-actions?overview=closed#tabs

[pcosmar]

So they are adding a Registration Rider to Reciprocity?

Sounds like the NRA

They love registration and restriction.

If they want to fix NICS buy decent computers and update information.
It is almost instantaneous.
How about Updating Restoration of Rights?

[Swordsmyth]

So they are adding a Registration Rider to Reciprocity?

Sounds like the NRA

They love registration and restriction.

If they want to fix NICS buy decent computers and update information.
It is almost instantaneous.
How about Updating Restoration of Rights?

I don't think it is the same bill.

[pcosmar]

I don't think it is the same bill.
???
watch and see.

It is amazing the $hit that can attach itself.

[Swordsmyth]

???
watch and see.

It is amazing the $hit that can attach itself.

True, I just don't think they have done it yet.

[pcosmar]

True, I just don't think they have done it yet.
I'll bet they are trying.

[Zippyjuan]

Gun Owners of America on the two bills:

https://gunowners.org/statement-goa-applauds-passage-of-h-r-38-condemns-h-r-4477.htm


STATEMENT: GOA Applauds Passage of H.R. 38, Condemns H.R. 4477

Springfield, VA – Executive Director of Gun Owners of America (GOA) Erich Pratt made the following statement after the House Judiciary Committee’s actions on concealed carry reciprocity and background check legislation:

“Over 1.5 million law-abiding Americans who make up Gun Owners of America commend the House Judiciary Committee for reporting H.R. 38, the concealed carry reciprocity bill.

“GOA applauds the committee passage of H.R. 38 and encourages the House leadership to take up the bill right away. This legislation will allow decent Americans to carry in any state in the country with confidence that they would not become entrapped by the fascist gun laws of anti-gun states.

“GOA also sends special kudos to Republicans on the Judiciary Committee who shot down an attempt by Democrats to delete the Constitutional Carry protections in the bill. Gun Owners of America opposed the amendment that sought to only limit concealed carry reciprocity to permit holders and was happy to see that provision go down to an inglorious defeat.

“Finally, Gun Owners of America condemns the committee's approval of the ‘Traffic Ticket Gun Ban’ (H.R. 4477). This deceptive legislation would add hundreds of thousands of additional names into the NICS system, thus blocking thousands of lawful gun owners from purchasing guns for offenses as slight as unpaid traffic tickets. Not only that, it would lay the groundwork for an anti-gun administration to troll every government health and welfare program for the purpose of imposing gun bans on recipients with PTSD, ADHD, and Alzheimer's -- the latter would jeopardize the inheritance of many valuable gun collections. The Obama administration already tried to do this with Social Security disability. In the future, there may not be a pro-gun Congress to disapprove similar moves or a pro-gun president to sign it.”

[fedupinmo]

Vote! Call! Make a difference! Lol.

Buy more ammo, make a real difference! :D

[Matt Collins]

An argument national reciprocity:


http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2017/08/14/national-concealed-carry-reciprocity-bill-is-a-trojan-horse/

[Matt Collins]

Gun Owners of America on the two bills:
GOA just ignored one of the most fundamental rules of politics.... if you don't have anything bad to say about the politicians, then don't say anything at all.

[angelatc]

Justin Amash is against reciprocity for the reasons outlined in the article that Matty just posted.

[osan]

I'll bet they are trying.

Which "they"?

[pcosmar]

An argument national reciprocity:


Constitutional Carry enforced to all states. as per the Constitution. (anything anytime anywhere as you please.)

Makes Reciprocity moot.

[pcosmar]

Which "they"?

Social Engineers/controllers in partnership with the Gotminers.
Authoritarians and those who love them.

[Swordsmyth]

Constitutional Carry enforced to all states. as per the Constitution. (anything anytime anywhere as you please.)

Makes Reciprocity moot.

We may yet get there, but Reciprocity will be an improvement for now.

[osan]

We may yet get there, but Reciprocity will be an improvement for now.

Indeed, but this raises at least one question in my shriveled little mind: given that Theye wish us disarmed, why then have the states been moving consistently toward greater prerogatives with respect to our 2A protections? What are we not seeing? It remains difficult for me to believe that an issue as politically fundamental for Themme to resolve in their favor, which I assume would be to disarm everyone not under Theire direct control, would be allowed to drift so far in the "wrong" direction. If we assume for argument's sake that Theye are indeed not predisposed to see our rights creep back toward a fuller status, then how do we explain the fact that where 2A guaranty is concerned, we are seeing precisely that?

Is this a truly organic political movement (hard to believe), or are Theye setting us up for something truly nasty?

Anyone?

[Swordsmyth]

Indeed, but this raises at least one question in my shriveled little mind: given that Theye wish us disarmed, why then have the states been moving consistently toward greater prerogatives with respect to our 2A protections? What are we not seeing? It remains difficult for me to believe that an issue as politically fundamental for Themme to resolve in their favor, which I assume would be to disarm everyone not under Theire direct control, would be allowed to drift so far in the "wrong" direction. If we assume for argument's sake that Theye are indeed not predisposed to see our rights creep back toward a fuller status, then how do we explain the fact that where 2A guaranty is concerned, we are seeing precisely that?

Is this a truly organic political movement (hard to believe), or are Theye setting us up for something truly nasty?

Anyone?


THEY have split into at least 2 camps and are preparing for civil war, at least 1 camp wants armed citizens on THEIR side.

[Zippyjuan]

THEY have split into at least 2 camps and are preparing for civil war, at least 1 camp wants armed citizens on THEIR side.

Been hearing about this "planned civil war" thing for decades now. Political scare tactics.

[Swordsmyth]

Been hearing about this "planned civil war" thing for decades now.

Some plans are never used, others are used after lying dormant for many years, it still may not happen but it is getting closer.

[pcosmar]

We may yet get there, but Reciprocity will be an improvement for now.

Only to those that register for it. and are approved.

It seems like gun registration to me,, but I am forbidden to exercise that right.(by the same that give permission)

so I observe,,

[r3volution 3.0]

Been hearing about this "planned civil war" thing for decades now. Political scare tactics.

It's good propaganda in certain circles.

Sells papers (or whatever it is people buy nowadays).

It also may well happen, but not for anyone's planning.

Precious little that occurs is planned by anyone.

This government is barely contained chaos.

[Matt Collins]

WARNING!!!

Thomas Massie warns about a trojan horse in this bill!!!!


From his Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/RepThomasMassie/posts/1843059172384905






ALERT: Feinstein/Schumer sponsored gun legislation that amends the “Brady bill” will be added to Concealed Carry Reciprocity bill (HR 38) in the House this week.


As Chairman of the Second Amendment Caucus, I’m blowing the whistle on the swamp. Last week, Republicans in the House fast tracked through committee HR 4477, a gun bill titled “fix-NICS.” The Senate version of this bill is cosponsored by Senator Dianne Feintstein and Senator Chuck Schumer and it will send $625 million over 5 years to states to expand the national background check database. The bill will also advance former President Obama’s agenda of pressuring every branch of the administration (such as the Veteran’s Administration) to submit thousands of more names to the NICS background check database to deny gun purchases. The House bill is identical in every way to the Senate bill except the House bill will also commission a study on bump-stocks.


What you don’t know, and what virtually no one in Washington wants you to know, is that House leadership plans to merge the fix-NICS bill with popular Concealed Carry Reciprocity legislation, HR 38, and pass both of them with a single vote. Folks, this is how the swamp works. House leadership expects constituents to call their representatives demanding a vote on the reciprocity bill, when in fact the only vote will be on the two combined bills.


How fast did Fix-NICS, HR 4477, move through the Judiciary Committee? This bill broke the previous records for fast track legislation. It was voted out of committee within hours of being introduced in the House. Check the dates on this link: https://www.congress.gov/…/115th-congr…/house-bill/4477/text (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.congress.gov%2Fbill%2F11 5th-congress%2Fhouse-bill%2F4477%2Ftext&h=ATMsWx97569mcPWuz1TluzwxPJQHKCdOHbI-4eqFezf72ORwefYDY02xiYaauS3DV5tSNZd52WcB4tshmDAlPL RLon3dzy4dh5F-lN3QgqnxC9URgXx0lDYr4hfQvAs1xK4ha9ckCkZQBXAK2yrsui nCg9IjBBJSR_3LC3mVgBy-yVxzpqehaC5IsSrAMZWyKOT2Dm2HpOrUlnm6D-IY-lXf5SCuhCbKXDCOs5y5Tzrp3XQGUrPHmTDSR7q7q7iPquPq9rk Fwl8QtL_LBlZASY13DomlYT_5F4bUeQ) . That means the text of the bill wasn’t even discoverable by the public on congress.gov (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcongress.gov%2F&h=ATM02ZUtmO1bObEKPAgQLz4CVmuXvGno1qH_F2MCBByE5dgq Gy7c2GkXseGknLk3SlgCoIqBvBNxEw6WtxbNJOiKPnCsSgHuqT iOXgUrUA9masEhSG51tRFO_pAfHn19P1nzeCQkZmXBkcNfl-i1eemRaduzJtwKrbfsBbqLVqI4sdpPwavs0abh_PZqXQunZLrF Ntu_hG86c0wVF-_hLdwzNMhbcmg2-hP7srPAEJT7lQgGRZwgFAxn25x_xKViGrVKCYw_HggzOwYuedb sTVvd1VQFvlgclH8b9g) until after the bill passed out of committee! The text was however available over in the Senate where you will find Senator Diane Feinstein and Senator Chuck Schumer are cosponsors.https://www.congress.gov/…/115t…/senate-bill/2135/cosponsors (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.congress.gov%2Fbill%2F11 5th-congress%2Fsenate-bill%2F2135%2Fcosponsors&h=ATM-B41f_Eold8v3bmaHs3-z9KH0Q2c6khlL_tSb48HVNG74NWFo-F_2wIW1DU9Rvfsk2PRSCaaXnejsgL-hT2hS9yPUQMy5VdCH0Yi2DSTF98fvAz7wrZtjH3KfXbGLYgoNd YGWD0fA0GjWhA4bCDRX3nUunWwRDZMtICn8fti12xYFn34y8tX BwFI3uQtJoAIfWQCJAxLmBhsNHKV6A5rtiL9DS0HNWvIuH1BUH IDlNDDY7tOmLH1zx4GTEtDxtlndKNy7kB-YA6QFJSBzm8ztTkaJt1EthMd25Q)


If that’s not odd enough, consider this: the fix-NICS bill was introduced in the House by a Democrat two weeks ago. https://www.congress.gov/…/115th-congr…/house-bill/4434/text (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.congress.gov%2Fbill%2F11 5th-congress%2Fhouse-bill%2F4434%2Ftext&h=ATNFtlIQ9hVjMIzNwqjheZdI175Evv-24CEYqernhDKvy140UivWDycopUN3V8mdF3Mc0DSvyguuyn6vV fyl580b713D5foYxHtTJXe-Yiu0Je0wGE9Z350wF5tuR7CBQUa5zke5RBtiYyC8ad6iDYZK9f 7BMe8g5Ts6nhs5huesxcxFSPyMU-hPXP1WayeVkwgLeZRua0cLnLg8I45M_4QcFgpgXXP9kgJUk7rp OitTUAFXahNauQGTZD_Hf7ZrfQbwE1WPJVXVt4xtWRj6C3l62L JJXOydmpRPow) . But, in a very unusual move, the bill was re-introduced verbatim by a Republican two weeks later, with language added to it to commission a bump-stock study. Six Republicans in Judiciary Committee weren’t persuaded by the switcheroo, and voted No. However, because every Democrat voted yes and some Republicans voted yes at the urging of the Chairman, the bill made it out of committee. The deed will be complete this week when the bill is quietly added to the Reciprocity bill, HR 38, and passed without the knowledge of those who would oppose the legislation if they knew what was in it.


To recap, what are some clues that you should be concerned with the fix-NICS bill?


(1) The first sentence after the title of the bill reads “Section 103 of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (34 U.S.C. 40901) is amended…”

(2) Senators Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer are cosponsors in the Senate.

(3) It’s being rammed through, without a hearing, in a very nontransparent process, and it will be passed by attaching it to the popular concealed carry reciprocity bill which already has enough votes to pass on its own.

(4) It spends over half a billion dollars to collect more names to include in a list of people who will never be allowed to own a firearm.

(5) It compels administrative agencies, not just courts, to adjudicate your second amendment rights.
In my opinion, #5 is the biggest problem. The bill encourages administrative agencies, not the courts, to submit more names to a national database that will determine whether you can or can’t obtain a firearm. When President Obama couldn’t get Congress to pass gun control, he implemented a strategy of compelling, through administrative rules, the Veterans Administration and the Social Security Administration to submit lists of veterans and seniors, many of whom never had a day in court, to be included in the NICS database of people prohibited from owning a firearm. Only a state court, a federal (article III) court, or a military court, should ever be able to suspend your rights for any significant period of time.


Does the NICS background check system have problems? Yes, it results in tens of thousands of unjustified denials of gun purchases every year. But like many bills in Congress, the fix-NICS doesn’t live up to its name – it will likely do the opposite. It throws millions of dollars at a faulty program and it will result in more law-abiding citizens being deprived of their right to keep and bear arms.


If we continue to give the executive branch more money and encouragement to add names to the list of people prohibited from buying a firearm (without a day in court) and if the gun banners achieve their goal of universal background checks, one day, a single person elected to the office of President will be able to achieve universal gun prohibition.


House leadership should immediately de-couple the fix-NICS legislation from the concealed carry reciprocity legislation. People hate it when Washington combines bills like our leadership plans to do this week.


A few have speculated that the House is combining the bills to ensure reciprocity will pass in the Senate. I have some news for them: Senators Feinstein and Schumer aren’t going to vote for reciprocity even if it contains the fix-NICS legislation they support for expanding the background check database. If someone is naïve enough to think that’s going to work, and they’re willing to accept fix-NICS to get reciprocity, then they should ask the Senate to go first with the combined bill.


Here’s a dangerous scenario that’s more likely to play out: The House uses the popularity of reciprocity (HR 38) to sneak fix-NICS through, while the Senate passes fix-NICS only. The Senate and the House meet at conference with their respective bills, with the result being fix-NICS emerges from conference without reciprocity. Fix-NICS comes back to the House and passes because all of the Democrats will vote for it (as they just did in Judiciary Committee) and many Republicans will vote for it. Because Republicans already voted for it once as part of the reciprocity deal that never came to pass, they won’t have a solid footing for opposing fix-NICS as a standalone bill. Then we’ll end up with fix-NICS, which is basically an expansion of the Brady Bill, without reciprocity.


If our House leadership insists on bringing the flawed fix-NICS bill to the floor, they shouldn’t play games. We should vote separately on HR 38, the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Bill, and HR 4477, the fix-NICS bill. And we should be given enough time to amend the fix-NICS bill, because it needs to be fixed, if not axed.

[Occam's Banana]

WARNING!!!

Thomas Massie warns about a trojan horse in this bill!!!!

From his Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/RepThomasMassie/posts/1843059172384905


ALERT: Feinstein/Schumer sponsored gun legislation that amends the “Brady bill” will be added to Concealed Carry Reciprocity bill (HR 38) in the House this week.

As Chairman of the Second Amendment Caucus, I’m blowing the whistle on the swamp. Last week, Republicans in the House fast tracked through committee HR 4477, a gun bill titled “fix-NICS.” The Senate version of this bill is cosponsored by Senator Dianne Feintstein and Senator Chuck Schumer and it will send $625 million over 5 years to states to expand the national background check database. The bill will also advance former President Obama’s agenda of pressuring every branch of the administration (such as the Veteran’s Administration) to submit thousands of more names to the NICS background check database to deny gun purchases. The House bill is identical in every way to the Senate bill except the House bill will also commission a study on bump-stocks.

What you don’t know, and what virtually no one in Washington wants you to know, is that House leadership plans to merge the fix-NICS bill with popular Concealed Carry Reciprocity legislation, HR 38, and pass both of them with a single vote. Folks, this is how the swamp works. House leadership expects constituents to call their representatives demanding a vote on the reciprocity bill, when in fact the only vote will be on the two combined bills.

How fast did Fix-NICS, HR 4477, move through the Judiciary Committee? This bill broke the previous records for fast track legislation. It was voted out of committee within hours of being introduced in the House. Check the dates on this link: https://www.congress.gov/…/115th-congr…/house-bill/4477/text . That means the text of the bill wasn’t even discoverable by the public on congress.gov until after the bill passed out of committee! The text was however available over in the Senate where you will find Senator Diane Feinstein and Senator Chuck Schumer are cosponsors.https://www.congress.gov/…/115t…/senate-bill/2135/cosponsors

If that’s not odd enough, consider this: the fix-NICS bill was introduced in the House by a Democrat two weeks ago. https://www.congress.gov/…/115th-congr…/house-bill/4434/text . But, in a very unusual move, the bill was re-introduced verbatim by a Republican two weeks later, with language added to it to commission a bump-stock study. Six Republicans in Judiciary Committee weren’t persuaded by the switcheroo, and voted No. However, because every Democrat voted yes and some Republicans voted yes at the urging of the Chairman, the bill made it out of committee. The deed will be complete this week when the bill is quietly added to the Reciprocity bill, HR 38, and passed without the knowledge of those who would oppose the legislation if they knew what was in it.

To recap, what are some clues that you should be concerned with the fix-NICS bill?

(1) The first sentence after the title of the bill reads “Section 103 of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (34 U.S.C. 40901) is amended…”

(2) Senators Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer are cosponsors in the Senate.

(3) It’s being rammed through, without a hearing, in a very nontransparent process, and it will be passed by attaching it to the popular concealed carry reciprocity bill which already has enough votes to pass on its own.

(4) It spends over half a billion dollars to collect more names to include in a list of people who will never be allowed to own a firearm.

(5) It compels administrative agencies, not just courts, to adjudicate your second amendment rights.
In my opinion, #5 is the biggest problem. The bill encourages administrative agencies, not the courts, to submit more names to a national database that will determine whether you can or can’t obtain a firearm. When President Obama couldn’t get Congress to pass gun control, he implemented a strategy of compelling, through administrative rules, the Veterans Administration and the Social Security Administration to submit lists of veterans and seniors, many of whom never had a day in court, to be included in the NICS database of people prohibited from owning a firearm. Only a state court, a federal (article III) court, or a military court, should ever be able to suspend your rights for any significant period of time.

Does the NICS background check system have problems? Yes, it results in tens of thousands of unjustified denials of gun purchases every year. But like many bills in Congress, the fix-NICS doesn’t live up to its name – it will likely do the opposite. It throws millions of dollars at a faulty program and it will result in more law-abiding citizens being deprived of their right to keep and bear arms.

If we continue to give the executive branch more money and encouragement to add names to the list of people prohibited from buying a firearm (without a day in court) and if the gun banners achieve their goal of universal background checks, one day, a single person elected to the office of President will be able to achieve universal gun prohibition.

House leadership should immediately de-couple the fix-NICS legislation from the concealed carry reciprocity legislation. People hate it when Washington combines bills like our leadership plans to do this week.

A few have speculated that the House is combining the bills to ensure reciprocity will pass in the Senate. I have some news for them: Senators Feinstein and Schumer aren’t going to vote for reciprocity even if it contains the fix-NICS legislation they support for expanding the background check database. If someone is naïve enough to think that’s going to work, and they’re willing to accept fix-NICS to get reciprocity, then they should ask the Senate to go first with the combined bill.

Here’s a dangerous scenario that’s more likely to play out: The House uses the popularity of reciprocity (HR 38) to sneak fix-NICS through, while the Senate passes fix-NICS only. The Senate and the House meet at conference with their respective bills, with the result being fix-NICS emerges from conference without reciprocity. Fix-NICS comes back to the House and passes because all of the Democrats will vote for it (as they just did in Judiciary Committee) and many Republicans will vote for it. Because Republicans already voted for it once as part of the reciprocity deal that never came to pass, they won’t have a solid footing for opposing fix-NICS as a standalone bill. Then we’ll end up with fix-NICS, which is basically an expansion of the Brady Bill, without reciprocity.

If our House leadership insists on bringing the flawed fix-NICS bill to the floor, they shouldn’t play games. We should vote separately on HR 38, the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Bill, and HR 4477, the fix-NICS bill. And we should be given enough time to amend the fix-NICS bill, because it needs to be fixed, if not axed.

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[Zippyjuan]

Text for the bill is up now: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/4477/text?r=11