Brown University to allow students to ‘self-identify’ as persons of color

[Swordsmyth]

Brown University is implementing a change to its graduate school application that will allow applicants to “self-identify” as persons of color. Multiple efforts by The College Fix to clarify the details of this change were ignored by campus officials.

The policy comes as a result of complaints made by graduate students on the Graduate School advisory board that international and Asian American students are not treated as members of historically underrepresented groups by the university, according to (http://www.browndailyherald.com/2017/11/07/grad-school-strives-recruit-underrepresented-students/) The Brown Daily Herald.

How allowing applicants to self-identify as persons of color will affect policy relating to the diversity initiatives, and whether the university will take any steps to verify applicants’ self-identification, remain unclear. The Fix reached out multiple times to Brown’s graduate admissions office to inquire into how Brown would ensure that applicants were telling the truth about their self-identified ethnicity. The office did not respond.
The Fix also reached out to Marlina Duncan, the dean of diversity initiatives, to learn whether or not self-identifying as a person of color has any impact on an applicant’s prospects for admission. Duncan did not respond.
Reached by email, campus spokesman Brian Clark provided The Fix with a link to an article from Brown’s online news department celebrating the graduate school’s “most diverse class to date.” The article did not actually address the matter of minority self-identification.
When pressed about the change to the graduate school application–specifically how the option to “self-identify” as a minority differs from the standard ethnicity queries on other college applications–Clark gave no response.

More at: https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/39422/



I make it 100/1 that whites will not be allowed to do so.

[Zippyjuan]

Brown University is implementing a change to its graduate school application that will allow applicants to “self-identify” as persons of color. Multiple efforts by The College Fix to clarify the details of this change were ignored by campus officials.

The policy comes as a result of complaints made by graduate students on the Graduate School advisory board that international and Asian American students are not treated as members of historically underrepresented groups by the university, according to (http://www.browndailyherald.com/2017/11/07/grad-school-strives-recruit-underrepresented-students/) The Brown Daily Herald.

How allowing applicants to self-identify as persons of color will affect policy relating to the diversity initiatives, and whether the university will take any steps to verify applicants’ self-identification, remain unclear. The Fix reached out multiple times to Brown’s graduate admissions office to inquire into how Brown would ensure that applicants were telling the truth about their self-identified ethnicity. The office did not respond.
The Fix also reached out to Marlina Duncan, the dean of diversity initiatives, to learn whether or not self-identifying as a person of color has any impact on an applicant’s prospects for admission. Duncan did not respond.
Reached by email, campus spokesman Brian Clark provided The Fix with a link to an article from Brown’s online news department celebrating the graduate school’s “most diverse class to date.” The article did not actually address the matter of minority self-identification.
When pressed about the change to the graduate school application–specifically how the option to “self-identify” as a minority differs from the standard ethnicity queries on other college applications–Clark gave no response.

More at: https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/39422/



I make it 100/1 that whites will not be allowed to do so.

What is considered "white"?

[fedupinmo]

I'm 1/32nd Cherokee.

[Swordsmyth]

What is considered "white"?

It depends on who you ask but you know who they will discriminate against as well as I do.

[Zippyjuan]

It depends on who you ask but you know who they will discriminate against as well as I do.

So white people should be declared a protected minority. You should get your own government program. "poor little ol' me!"

[Swordsmyth]

So white people should be declared a protected minority. You should get your own government program.
No, ALL this race nonsense must stop.

[r3volution 3.0]

Rather than bemoan the suicide of the Ivies (which were already useless long before the advent of the "safe space"), libertarians should focus on loosening up accreditation. Let them play make believe while we build real schools.

[Raginfridus]

Rather than bemoan the self-destruction of the Ivies (which were useless long before this), libertarians should focus on loosening up accreditation.

Let them play make believe while we build real schools.
Is anyone doing this?

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

What is considered "white"?

Maybe you should ask your progressive friends or employer Soros at the White Privilege Conference in Grand Rapids next April. (https://www.whiteprivilegeconference.com/)

[r3volution 3.0]

Is anyone doing this?

Not AFAIK

There's a lot of effort going into homeschooling, which is good, but not the same thing.

If you want libertarians in the power structure, you need elite libertarian schools, which means accredited and very well funded.

[oyarde]

Is anyone doing this?

I used to teach a Sun evening history class at my home . Admission was beer . I did it for years . Just quit about 5 yrs ago .

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

You should get your own government program.

There are various programs, such as homeschooling. Your progressive friends are always trying to restrict them.




"poor little ol' me!"

Is this original Zip getting testy or protege, fiesty Zip?

[Swordsmyth]

Is anyone doing this?

I believe the John Birch society was looking into starting it's own college but I haven't looked into it lately.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I once looked up higher education sources of funding. The funding from donations and benefactors was significant. If you cut out all the nonsense curricula and waste, you'd still have a decent amount.




Edit: I found a source. It looks like half comes from tuition, fees, self-support, and benefactors.


http://www.pewtrusts.org/~/media/Post-Launch-Images/2015/06/Chartbook-final-graphics/fig8.jpg?la=en



http://www.pewtrusts.org/~/media/assets/2015/06/federal_state_funding_higher_education_final.pdf

[Danke]

White is all colors. So definitely “people of color.”Black is the absence of color.https://www.colormatters.com/images/images3/RGB_circles.gif

[r3volution 3.0]

I believe the John Birch society was looking into starting it's own college but I haven't looked into it lately.

They're the wrong sort anyway, wrong culture: too populist, too provincial.

A libertarian school designed to train a future elite should look like the Ivies (used to look).

Fewer flag-pins, more pince nez.

P.S. Come to think of it, I can't think of any existing libertarian/-ish institution that I'd trust to lead the charge.

The LvMI's too anarchist (and a bit pop-right as well)...

...which is a damn shame, because Mises himself was just what we should be aiming for.

Cato's too DC...

The LP's too pot smoking hippy...

[TheTexan]

So white people should be declared a protected minority. You should get your own government program. "poor little ol' me!"

I'd be OK with that

[Danke]

I'd be OK with that

Aren’t Texans already a Minority in their own state?

[Swordsmyth]

They're the wrong sort anyway, wrong culture: too populist, too provincial.

Even for you they are closer than anything else out there in Higher Ed.


A libertarian school designed to train a future elite should look like the Ivies (used to look).

Fewer flag-pins, more pince nez.

Looks are about the least important factor involved, but if you want to go there then what we need is a college environment with more ball caps and cowboy hats, more blue jeans, T-shirts and leather jackets, we need to make the masses feel at home and comfortable while we spoon feed them truth and wisdom.

[TheTexan]

Aren’t Texans already a Minority in their own state?

Reason #28798 to build a wall

[r3volution 3.0]

Looks are about the least important factor involved

It's about culture.


but if you want to go there then what we need is a college environment with more ball caps and cowboy hats, more blue jeans, T-shirts and leather jackets, we need to make the masses feel at home and comfortable while we spoon feed them truth and wisdom.

I'm talking educating future leaders (business, governmental, intellectual, ecclesiastic), not future voters.

[Swordsmyth]

It's about culture.

Philosophy is far more important.




I'm talking educating future leaders (business, governmental, intellectual, ecclesiastic), not future voters.

Unless you are planning a coup that strategy is deficient, even for a coup you will need public support in and out of the military/police.

[r3volution 3.0]

Philosophy is far more important.

I never said otherwise.

The JBS has the wrong culture; it also has the wrong philosophy.


Unless you are planning a coup that strategy is deficient, even for a coup you will need public support in and out of the military/police.

If you want to make it possible for individuals to educate themselves, create an online library (this is pretty much done, hence we're here).

If you want to educate the masses, do something like what you're saying.

If you want to educate the future power elite, do something like what I'm saying.

They're not mutually exclusive strategies.

Though, given my views on democracy, you can appreciate why I'm especially keen on the third option.

And, I might add, your option is going to be much harder to implement, much more expensive.

[heavenlyboy34]

White is all colors. So definitely “people of color.”Black is the absence of color.https://www.colormatters.com/images/images3/RGB_circles.gif

You're thinking specifically of the light spectrum in color theory (such as your monitor). Behind every display pixel in a monitor there are only 3 colors-RGB. Every color on your monitor is a combination of those. In print media, white is the absence of color.

https://graf1x.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/color-wheel-poster.jpg

[timosman]

White is all colors. So definitely “people of color.”Black is the absence of color.https://www.colormatters.com/images/images3/RGB_circles.gif

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/CMYK_subtractive_color_mixing.svg/400px-CMYK_subtractive_color_mixing.svg.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMYK_color_model

[Raginfridus]

I sexually identify as an attack helicopter, but I racially identify as Billy D Williams.

https://mediaanarchist.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/colt45web.jpg

[Superfluous Man]

Is this really a change of policy though?

What method were they using up until now to classify students by race, if not simply the students' self-identification?

[Raginfridus]

What method were they using up until now to classify students by race, if not simply the students' self-identification?
Are Brown tacitly confessing they were discriminating?

[Superfluous Man]

Are Brown tacitly confessing they were discriminating?

My guess is what they're really doing is making official what they've done all along.

I don't think it has been the case for decades that there existed any objective legal way to identify anyone as white or black other than their own self-identification. Probably almost everybody self-identifies with the race that most other people either are comfortable identifying them as. But if a white person born to white parents decided to say they were black in order to get scholarships and bonus points in their college applications, I don't think there is a way to say they're not really black. There's no criterion that can trump their own self-identification.