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Origanalist
10-29-2017, 10:24 AM
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Last week the new head of the CIA Mike Pompeo publicly threatened to make the CIA a “much more vicious agency”. His first step towards that is to unleash CIA sponsored killer gangs onto the people of Afghanistan:

The C.I.A. is expanding its covert operations in Afghanistan, sending small teams of highly experienced officers and contractors alongside Afghan forces to hunt and kill Taliban militants across the country …

The C.I.A.’s expanded role will augment missions carried out by military units, meaning more of the United States’ combat role in Afghanistan will be hidden from public view.

This will be mass murder campaign. People will be pulled from their houses at night and vanish – ‘eliminated’. That has been happening in Afghanistan for years, but on a relatively small scale. So far the targets were ‘al-Qaeda’, a small terrorist group, not the local insurgency. The new campaign will target the Taliban, a mass insurgency against the U.S. occupation. Thus is will be a mass campaign and cause mass casualties.

It is not going to be a counter-insurgency campaign, even though some will assert it is. A counter-insurgency campaign combines political, security, economic, and informational components. It can only be successful in support of a legitimate authority.

The current Afghan government has little legitimacy. It was cobbled and bribed together by the U.S. embassy after wide and open election fraud threatened to devolve into total chaos. In August CIA director Pompeo met the Afghan president Ashraf Ghani and likely discussed the new plan. But the now announced campaign has neither a political nor an economic component. Solely centered on "security" it will end up as a random torture and killing expedition without the necessary context and with no positive results for the occupation.

The campaign will be a boon for the Taliban. While it will likely kill Taliban aligned insurgents here and there, it will also alienate many more Afghan people. Some 75% of the Taliban fighters are locals fighting near their homes. Killing them creates new local recruits for the insurgency. It will also give the Taliban a more sympathetic population which it can use to cover its future operations.

A similar campaign during the Vietnam war was known as Operation Phoenix. Then some 50,000-100,000 South-Vietnamese, all 'suspected communists', were killed by the CIA's roving gangs. The polished Wikipedia version:

[Phoenix] was designed to identify and "neutralize" (via infiltration, capture, counter-terrorism, interrogation, and assassination) the infrastructure of the National Liberation Front of South Vietnam (NLF or Viet Cong). The CIA described it as "a set of programs that sought to attack and destroy the political infrastructure of the Viet Cong". The major two components of the program were Provincial Reconnaissance Units (PRUs) and regional interrogation centers. PRUs would kill or capture suspected NLF members, as well as civilians who were thought to have information on NLF activities. Many of these people were then taken to interrogation centers where many were allegedly tortured in an attempt to gain intelligence on VC activities in the area. The information extracted at the centers was then given to military commanders, who would use it to task the PRU with further capture and assassination missions.
The Phoenix program was embedded into a larger civil political and economic development program known as Civil Operations and Revolutionary Development Support. The civil part of CORDS partially failed over bribery and incompetence. It was too expensive and not sustainable. The accepted historical judgement is that the 'security' part, Phoenix, failed to achieve its purpose despite its wide conceptualization. Its utter brutality alienated the people. The passive support for the Viet Cong increased due to the campaign.

In recent years there have been revisionists efforts by the Pentagon's RAND Corporation to change that view. They claim that the campaign went well and was successful. But those who took part in Phoenix (Video: Part 1, part 2) paint a very different picture. The brutality of Phoenix, which enraged the public, was one of the reason that forced the U.S. government to end the war.

The now announced campaign looks similar to Phoenix but lacks any political component. It is not designed to pacify insurgents but to 'eliminate' any and all resistance:
continued..http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/10/phoenix-20-the-cias-vietnam-war-terror-campaign-comes-to-afghanistan.html

enhanced_deficit
10-29-2017, 10:48 AM
So we can repeat the stunning success of Vietnam war?


It is more likley that this is also part of art of the bluffs deal, in practice there seems to be more carrots (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?516241-Is-President-Trump-acting-on-his-recent-ultimatum-for-India-s-Modi&p=6545197&viewfull=1#post6545197) than sticks so far. There are also many differences, one of them being that secretive freedom agencies like other military freedom defending bodies have new "treat everyone with dignity and respect (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?515460-In-the-middle-of-global-wars-racists-told-to-leave-US-air-force&)" directives, there were even awards for "courageous restraint" when Obama was commander in chief. Granted Trump is not Obama but there are many more African-Americans, gays, other minorities now compared to Nam era in freedom defending agencies who would stand up and speak out against any "vicious" actions that violate DRAAR (Dignity and Respect Across All Races) direction.

John McCain would also not allow it. There would be so many civilian rights protests and kneelings everywhere that current NFL kneelings would start to look like Sunday AM picnics.




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Origanalist
10-29-2017, 11:11 AM
So we can repeat the stunning success of Vietnam war?


It is more likley that this is also part of art of the bluffs deal, in practice there seems to be more carrots (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?516241-Is-President-Trump-acting-on-his-recent-ultimatum-for-India-s-Modi&p=6545197&viewfull=1#post6545197) than sticks so far. There are also many differences, one of them being that secretive freedom agencies like other military freedom defending bodies have new "treat everyone with dignity and respect (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?515460-In-the-middle-of-global-wars-racists-told-to-leave-US-air-force&)" directives, there were even awards for "courageous restraint" when Obama was commander in chief. Granted Trump is not Obama but there are many more African-Americans, gays, other minorities now compared to Nam era in freedom defending agencies who would stand up and speak out against any "vicious" actions that violate DRAAR (Dignity and Respect Across All Races) direction.

John McCain would also not allow it. There would be so many civilian rights protests and kneelings everywhere that current NFL kneelings would start to look like Sunday AM picnics.




Related
CIA chief: “We are going to become a much more vicious agency,” (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?516074-CIA-chief-%E2%80%9CWe-are-going-to-become-a-much-more-vicious-agency-%E2%80%9D&)


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US tax dollars at work: Top Afghan General Caught Transporting Heroin in Truck (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?477626-US-tax-dollars-at-work-Top-Afghan-General-Caught-Transporting-Heroin-in-Truck&)

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/1b/b2/8a/1bb28af5b81d12fff2101f827ec5a6c3--afghanistan-war-troops.jpghttps://i.pinimg.com/236x/c8/83/61/c883610cd308ce8aa20259daeb981b82--poppy-fields-confusion.jpg

Sometimes I can't tell if you're posts are sarcasm or in earnest.

enhanced_deficit
10-29-2017, 11:17 AM
In this case, it's a mix of both or earnest sarcasm.

Origanalist
10-29-2017, 11:18 AM
In this case, it's a mix of both or earnest sarcasm.

OK, makes more sense now.. :p

goldenequity
10-29-2017, 04:09 PM
and I'm proud to be an 'murican where at least I know i'm free...

the hits keep rollin...

In Shocking, Viral Interview, Qatar Confesses Secrets Behind Syrian War
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-28/shocking-viral-interview-qatar-confesses-secrets-behind-syrian-war

A television interview of a top Qatari official confessing the truth behind the origins of the war in Syria
is going viral across Arabic social media during the same week a leaked top secret NSA document was published (below)
which confirms that the armed opposition in Syria
was under the direct command of foreign governments
from the early years of the conflict.

And according to a well-known Syria analyst and economic adviser with close contacts in the Syrian government,
the explosive interview constitutes a high level "public admission to collusion and coordination
between four countries to destabilize an independent state, [including] possible support for Nusra/al-Qaeda."

Importantly, "this admission will help build case for what Damascus sees as an attack on its security & sovereignty. It will form basis for compensation claims."



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Within Syria- WithinSyriaBlog 11 min.
Qatar and Saudi are racing for reconciliation with Damascus, Saudi got the deal, SDF and HTS will pay heavily.



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Death certificate offers clues on #Russian casualties in #Syria.
At least 131 Russian citizens died in the first nine months of this year

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Islamic World Update- @islamicworldupd 2 hod.
#Russian soldier A Anton Dobrygin has been killed in a roadside IED explosion in #Syria

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goldenequity
10-29-2017, 04:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53ULfeOAP7g

goldenequity
10-29-2017, 06:07 PM
The CIA and it's hired killers are going to find it's a different ballgame now.
and that their faux war w/ the Taliban is going to get called out
just like it did in Syria.

I expect the Sovereigns will start having an immediate impact
on the Afghani/Western racketeering and ratlines very soon,
Can't wait for Afghani PMU's to start forming.

Iran has been bringing in humanitarian aid to Taliban locals/Afghani patriots for months...
hearts & minds, hearts & minds.

Raginfridus
10-30-2017, 12:11 AM
As much as I'd like to see a restored Persian Empire, Trump would sooner glass them than "deal" with them.