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phill4paul
10-18-2017, 04:43 PM
Of course it will not end with Civil War memorials or even founding fathers memorials. Now we have suits about whether a statuary eulogy should be in the form of a cross.


Back in 1925, the American Legion erected a memorial in Bladensburg, Md., to honor the memory of 49 men who perished during World War I.

The 40-foot tall memorial became known as the "Peace Cross."

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In 2014, the American Humanist Association -- a group that believes in "being good without a god" -- filed a lawsuit alleging the cross-shaped memorial is unconstitutional and demanding it be demolished, altered, or removed.

They alleged the cross carries "an inherently religious message and creates the unmistakable appearance of honoring only Christian servicemen."

"Today's decision sets dangerous precedent by completely ignoring history, and it threatens removal and destruction of veterans memorials across America."
On Wednesday, the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals agreed and ruled the historic memorial must be torn down -- all because the Bladensburg Memorial is in the shape of a cross.

The Fourth Circuit said the memorial excessively entangles the government in religion because the cross is the “core symbol of Christianity” and “breaches” the wall separating church and state.

Writing separately, Chief Judge Gregory wrote, “This Memorial stands in witness to the VALOR, ENDURANCE, COURAGE, and DEVOTION of the forty-nine residents of Prince George’s County, Maryland ‘who lost their lives in the Great War for the liberty of the world.’ I cannot agree that a monument so conceived and dedicated and that bears such witness violates the letter or spirit of the very Constitution these heroes died to defend.”

The American Legion could appeal directly to the Supreme Court.

"Today's decision sets dangerous precedent by completely ignoring history, and it threatens removal and destruction of veterans memorials across America," First Liberty Institute attorney Hiram Sasser said.

First Liberty Institute and the Jones Day law firm are representing the American Legion in their fight.

“This memorial has stood in honor of local veterans for almost 100 years and is lawful under the First Amendment,” Jones Day attorney Michael Carvin said. “To remove it would be a tremendous dishonor to the local men who gave their lives during The Great War.”

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/10/18/federal-court-rules-world-war-memorial-cross-must-be-torn-down.html

RJB
10-18-2017, 04:55 PM
When politics swing in an extreme and crazy direction, it is a build up to swing in the opposite crazy direction. I worry about my young uns. There is too much crazy going on these days.

euphemia
10-18-2017, 05:02 PM
And we have the demon drag queen in a taxpayer funded library. Apparently liberals think this can only go one way.

Zippyjuan
10-18-2017, 05:06 PM
When politics swing in an extreme and crazy direction, it is a build up to swing in the opposite crazy direction. I worry about my young uns. There is too much crazy going on these days.

Politicians are teaching everybody to hate each other- that we need to be afraid so they can protect us.

phill4paul
10-18-2017, 05:11 PM
Politicians are teaching everybody to hate each other- that we need to be afraid so they can protect us.

I don't fear or hate you Zippy. Here's +plus rep. just because I feel like it.

RJB
10-18-2017, 05:11 PM
Politicians are teaching everybody to hate each other- that we need to be afraid so they can protect us.

Yes. That is why when we have the government droning kids to death, we instead see distraction news stories such as this:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?516022-Trump-Told-a-Soldier%92s-Widow-Her-Husband-%91Knew-What-He-Signed-Up-For-%92-His-Mother-Says Where a text taken horribly out of context becomes the lead story and causes a needless division, while genuine stories stay hidden.

euphemia
10-18-2017, 05:15 PM
Politicians are teaching everybody to hate each other- that we need to be afraid so they can protect us.

This is probably the first really wise thing you have said on these boards. Thank you.

Do you get tired of people telling you what to think and say?

r3volution 3.0
10-18-2017, 05:16 PM
This is great news for the left- and right socialists presently engaged in the culture war.

Great for Bernie, great for Bannon; great for Antifa, great for the alt-right.

No so great for us (by which I mean libertarians, should anyone have forgotten).

Zippyjuan
10-18-2017, 05:19 PM
This is probably the first really wise thing you have said on these boards. Thank you.

Do you get tired of people telling you what to think and say?

I ignore them.

There have been lawsuits for years trying to take down two crosses in San Diego which are large war memorials. The "solution" was to sell the land to a private group with the requirement that they keep the cross in perpetuity.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/editorials/sdut-mount-soledad-cross-lawsuit-2016sep10-story.html

Raginfridus
10-18-2017, 05:32 PM
Of course it will not end with Civil War memorials or even founding fathers memorials. Now we have suits about whether a statuary eulogy should be in the form of a cross.Are menorahs OK?

oyarde
10-18-2017, 05:34 PM
There are no WW 1 memorials here at risk .

euphemia
10-18-2017, 05:44 PM
I ignore them.

No you don't. You believe them, repeat them, and defend them.

Zippyjuan
10-18-2017, 05:53 PM
No you don't. You believe them, repeat them, and defend them.

I am defending you?

nobody's_hero
10-18-2017, 06:15 PM
When politics swing in an extreme and crazy direction, it is a build up to swing in the opposite crazy direction. I worry about my young uns. There is too much crazy going on these days.

Heh. I wish the other side would fight back with equal vigor. 'Moderation' is so over-rated.

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."