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Pimpin Turtle Dot Com
12-11-2007, 01:40 PM
This was emailed to me an hour ago.

December 11, 2007

FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY:

Dear Libertarian,

Throughout the year, as you could imagine, questions about Ron Paul have been non-stop. Both our members and the media swamp every line of communication available.

While reporters generally dance around the issues, looking for a salacious story about Congressman Paul, our members get right to the point:

"What are you doing to support Ron Paul?"
"Why haven't you endorsed Ron Paul?"
"Why are you avoiding Ron Paul?"
"Why isn't...?
"Why is...?
"Why don't...?"
"Why won't…?"
"...Support Ron Paul!"

Trust me, in our small Watergate office, the words "Ron Paul" echo throughout the hallways all day, every day, as we respond to the many questions posed by passionate Libertarians who call, e-mail, mail and visit our office.

If you think about it, this appears to put us in a tough position. We're the Libertarian Party, and Ron Paul is seeking the Republican presidential nomination. It's not our issue, right?

A party loyalist would not dare say something positive about a member of another party...right? Blind partisan loyalty is why Republicans and Democrats are so powerful...right?

No!

Partisanship is why they are corrupt. The Republican and Democratic parties exist to maintain their own power...that's about it.

We exist for liberty.

With integrity in our lives and in our organization, Libertarians have fought with long odds for more than three decades. We battle Republicans and Democrats who betray our principles of peace and freedom.

But now, we have a man of principle who is igniting a fire of liberty across the nation and, go figure, he has an "R" next to his name. So, what do we do? To some, this appears to be a black-or-white issue with only two options:

Do we stubbornly stand by and pretend Ron Paul does not exist?
Or . . .
Do we throw out 36 years of work, violate our own bylaws and principles, and convert to the Republican Party and join Dr. Paul?

Both of those are obviously horrible non-options.

What we can do is show respect for our Party's history, bylaws and members while making an effort to recognize the revolution that's taking place around the country.

Over this past weekend in Charleston, South Carolina, the members of the Libertarian National Committee (LNC) did just that.

It would be inappropriate and a clear violation of our bylaws for the LNC to simply "nominate" Ron Paul for the Libertarian ticket as many of his supporters have requested. That's not a decision for the LNC to make--that's the duty of Libertarian delegates at our National Convention.

What the LNC can do is attempt to "recruit" a presidential candidate, and while in Charleston, the LNC unanimously passed a resolution that states the following:

WHEREAS, the Libertarian National Committee encourages competition in the race for the Libertarian Party’s presidential nomination and is appreciative of all candidates who make the commitment to run;

NOW THEREFORE, in the event that Republican primary voters select a candidate other than Congressman Paul in February of 2008, the Libertarian National Committee urges Congressman Ron Paul to seek the presidential nomination of the Libertarian Party to be decided in Denver, Colorado during Memorial Day weekend of 2008.

I encourage you to read the full resolution by clicking here.

The LNC has made a respectful gesture and it's up to the good Congressman to accept or decline when he chooses to do so. And just so you know, so far, the response from Dr. Paul's campaign has been the standard: "We have no intention to seek the nomination of a third party."

Additionally, the LNC voted to allow me to pursue an effort that will allow Ron Paul supporters to contact voters in the upcoming New Hampshire Republican primary to tell them about Dr. Paul.

They will be able to do this through our resource, www.BallotBase.org, which is essentially a decentralized call center. From the comfort of your own home, you can use the system to call voters on behalf of a candidate. It's easy to use and can be incredibly effective.

In order to use Ballot Base, you have to register by providing us with your name, address, verified e-mail, etc. and then you can start calling within minutes.

Now, I need you to know that these are very controversial decisions and there are some people who are very upset.

A few are upset that we've invited Dr. Paul into our presidential race, while others are up-in-arms that we've used LNC resources to benefit a Republican. At first glance, they have an argument, so let me take a minute to FULLY DISCLOSE what this is about, how it works and what we're possibly giving up and gaining.

We plan to use the Ballot Base to affect a Republican primary. To do so, we give up the following:

* The use of a server that is not even moderately used during the political off-season.
* An independent expenditure of $2,120 to purchase the New Hampshire voter files of registered Republicans.
* Moderate use of staff time.
Now, here's what we possibly have to gain:
* We make it possible to influence a Republican primary race in the favor of liberty...just as we have done in the past with other primary races.
* We gain the ability to build a lasting relationship with a large group of pro-liberty activists.
* Most importantly, through the Ballot Base registration process, we are able to reach out to many thousands of people who share many common values with the LP.

Hopefully, one day down the road, as we continue to build our relationship, they will take the bold step of joining the Libertarian Party or supporting our efforts.

So, for a few thousand dollars, use of a server and some of our time, we are able to create a network of communication with what I hope will be thousands of hard-working and passionate lovers of liberty.

In the meantime, a soft-spoken Republican congressman named Ron Paul gets a leg up over the likes of Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney.

Sound good to you?

If so, keep reading, as I need you to do me a very big favor.

Today is December 11th. Thirty-six years ago, our Party was founded by a handful of people who wanted to stand up in defense of liberty. Yep--it's our 36th birthday!

The decisions made by the LNC this past weekend were bold, decisive and in my opinion, necessary. We can no longer stand by and do nothing when such an incredible opportunity exists for the Libertarian Party.

If you agree with these decisions, show your support by sending us a strong message in the form of a significant gift as we celebrate our 36th birthday. To donate, click here.

I appreciate your continued support and please know that together, we will always remain the Party of Principle.

For Liberty,

Shane Cory
Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee

P.S. If you are behind these efforts, please forward this message to friends and family and ask them to go to www.BallotBase.org to join the effort!

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Melissa
12-11-2007, 01:46 PM
Well all I can say is so glad to see more joining the revolution -come on with us there is plenty of room for more

torchbearer
12-11-2007, 02:00 PM
Well all I can say is so glad to see more joining the revolution -come on with us there is plenty of room for more

Um, this revolution was started by LPers back in april and may.
Know the guy that created the whole "Ron Paul Revolution" sign? Yup, LPer.

Me personally, former vice-chair libertarian party of louisiana... been helping ron since january.

We've been here since the beginning, just couldn't make it public considering Ron Paul is still a member in good standing in the Libertarian Party. Republicans would have cried foul..."See, we told you he wasn't a republican". So we've been on the DL.

So, we welcome you to the revolution. :)

Malakai0
12-11-2007, 02:03 PM
Every member of the LP should immediately change to R and vote for Ron in the primaries.


They can justify not doing it due to their pride forever, it's still wrong.

If you have the opportunity to get a real libertarian into office, abandoning your party for 1 year is a small price to pay.

torchbearer
12-11-2007, 02:05 PM
Every member of the LP should immediately change to R and vote for Ron in the primaries.


They can justify not doing it due to their pride forever, it's still wrong.

If you have the opportunity to get a real libertarian into office, abandoning your party for 1 year is a small price to pay.

Well, we still believe in free choice..so we aren't demanding anything....
I'm the former-vice chair of the LALP, I've dropped my position to become a delegate for Ron and possibly take party office in the GOP, many others are with me... we've been working on this for awhile... you were just notified publically 8 months after the fact.

There is no need to preach, if we are here... we've already done what needs to be done.

AlexAmore
12-11-2007, 02:05 PM
I can't believe there are Libertarians who are stubborn enough to not convert and support Ron Paul because he is a Republican. If there were more Ron Pauls in the Republican Party over the past 36 years then the Libertarian party would never have existed because Liberty wouldn't need to be defended to such an extent that a new party needed to be formed.

Ron Paul ran as a Libertarian and it didn't work. Benjamin Franklin said "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

I would like to know what LP member has done more for liberty than Ron Paul. Who else has gotten even close to creating a "revolution".

LP members can be just as partisan and it shocks me, because we can see they have power trips....for freedom...oxymoronic if you ask me. Maybe I am missing something? Am I not understanding why some LP members are angry?

torchbearer
12-11-2007, 02:12 PM
Am I not understanding why some LP members are angry?

How about read the history of the LP... before making ignorant statements that make you look poorly... I mean that sincerely.
You talk of things you know nothing about... but the answers are available if you really want the answers... find it yourself.

Those members are justified in their anger... I don't follow their path, but i don't blame them for not wanting to support a party who has taken part in the destruction of our country.

freestyl24
12-11-2007, 02:17 PM
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justinc.1089
12-11-2007, 02:17 PM
Um, this revolution was started by LPers back in april and may.
Know the guy that created the whole "Ron Paul Revolution" sign? Yup, LPer.

Me personally, former vice-chair libertarian party of louisiana... been helping ron since january.

We've been here since the beginning, just couldn't make it public considering Ron Paul is still a member in good standing in the Libertarian Party. Republicans would have cried foul..."See, we told you he wasn't a republican". So we've been on the DL.

So, we welcome you to the revolution. :)

Why did the Libertarians abandon ship from the Republican party? I think if they had stuck with it the republicans wouldn't be nearly as bad as they are now, which brings up my next question, why don't the Libertarians get that they need to become part of the Republican party and try to change it, and that a third party is never going to happen in America? I mean Ron Paul understands that obviously...

Don't take that the wrong way though I like the libertarian party much better than the republicans other than the libertarian stance on borders and abortion, but maybe I'm wrong on their stances on that stuff idk.

torchbearer
12-11-2007, 02:20 PM
Why did the Libertarians abandon ship from the Republican party? I think if they had stuck with it the republicans wouldn't be nearly as bad as they are now, which brings up my next question, why don't the Libertarians get that they need to become part of the Republican party and try to change it, and that a third party is never going to happen in America? I mean Ron Paul understands that obviously...

Don't take that the wrong way though I like the libertarian party much better than the republicans other than the libertarian stance on borders and abortion, but maybe I'm wrong on their stances on that stuff idk.

Your assumption is that "we" don't know we need to take over the GOP.... we do know... and we are doing it... just didn't want to PUBLICIZE the fact the we are organizing a counter-coup. Ya know?
As in, I'm the former vice-chair of the LALP, and I'm now a registered republican who will seek delegate status.. and possibly run for office for the state GOP SCC.. and run for congress as a Ron Paul republican, all my libertarian friends have joined me..

This is the frustration i get everytime... stupid questions only because you can't be told what is going on for very obvious reasons. Understand?

torchbearer
12-11-2007, 02:22 PM
Why did the Libertarians abandon ship from the Republican party?

The Libertarian Party was formed in Colorado Springs in the home of Luke Zell on December 11, 1971, after several months of debate among members of the Committee to Form a Libertarian Party, founded July 17.[11] This group included John Hospers, Edward Crane, Manuel Klausner, Murray Rothbard, R.A. Childs, Theodora (Tonie) Nathan, and Jim Dean. Prompted in part by price controls and the end of the Gold Standard implemented by President Richard Nixon, the Libertarian Party viewed the dominant Republican and Democratic parties as having diverged from what they viewed as the libertarian principles of the American Founding Fathers.

A press conference announcing the new party is held on January 31 at the party's headquarters in Westminster, Colorado. The first national convention, attracting 89 delegates from 23 states, is held in June in Denver, Colorado. According to Ron Crickenberger, former Political Director of the LP, a search of LP records showed that the LP had elected Miguel Gilson-De Lemos in a partisan local board race in New York even before the adoption of its first platform. Several others were also elected or appointed that year. LP leaders initially doubted they would even see 6 people elected or appointed by 2001, so this led to early optimism among some. However, in subsequent years the number of people in office seemed to be about 1% of its donor base: approximately 30 officeholders with 3,000 donors in 1981; 100 in office and 10,000 donors in 1991; and 600 and 60,000 in 2001.[citation needed]


and for more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_(United_States)

Real_CaGeD
12-11-2007, 02:25 PM
I noticed my dads buddy Bob Barr is Lp these days.

Bob, when you gonna stump GA for RP?

cottonmouth
12-11-2007, 02:31 PM
I don't think there is any reason why the Libertarian Party cannot nominate RP, even if he gets the Republican Party nomination. I am old enough to remember candidates at state level (New York, Minnesota) garnering the nomination of more than one party. For example: Republican AND Conservative parties; Democratic AND Liberal Parties. This used to be commonplace, even for Presidential candidates.

Real_CaGeD
12-11-2007, 02:34 PM
Well, I just called Bob and talked to his secretary. I ask when Bob is gonna stump for Ron Paul, and she said "I dont know if he is going to".

We talked politics for a few, she said she couldnt tell who was gonna be good out of the candidates, I replied "there isnt but one with a voting record, NO is a damn good vote in Washington DC". I then finished with, "tell Bob it is time to get on board".