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Swordsmyth
10-13-2017, 05:20 PM
According to a new study from the Centers for Disease Control, 40% of Americans are now obese, a new all-time record high, and over 70% are overweight. Per NBC (https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/america-s-obesity-epidemic-reaches-record-high-new-report-says-n810231):


A troubling new report released Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows that almost 40 percent of American adults and nearly 20 percent of adolescents are obese — the highest rates ever recorded for the U.S.

"It's difficult to be optimistic at this point," said Dr. Frank Hu, chair of the Department of Nutrition at the Harvard School of Public Health. "The trend of obesity has been steadily increasing in both children and adults despite many public health efforts to improve nutrition and physical activity."

Overall, 70.7 percent of Americans are either overweight or obese, meaning that an unhealthy weight has become the norm, with normal weight Americans — a BMI of less than 25 — now in the minority.
So which states are harboring the largest Americans?
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user230519/imageroot/2017/10/13/2017.10.13%20-%20Adult%20Obesity.JPG




Perhaps even more disturbing, the CDC also found that 20% of teenagers and 10% of preschoolers are also now considered obese.



The continued weight increase in the youngest Americans is especially worrisome for long-term health. One in five adolescents, ages 12–19; one in five kids, ages 6–11, and and one in ten preschoolers, ages 2–5 are considered obese, not just overweight.

Obesity is medically defined as having a body-mass index of more than 30. The findings on obese kids in the U.S. comes on top of this week's World Health Organization report that childhood obesity is soaring around the world, increasing more than tenfold over the past four decades.

Overweight and obese children have a higher risk to stay obese and childhood obesity is linked to a higher chance of early death in adulthood.
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user230519/imageroot/2017/10/13/2017.10.13%20-%20MCD%20Kids_0.JPG
The consequences of the obesity epidemic are devastating: High blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease and stroke are not only killing millions of Americans annually — the obesity epidemic is also a humongous burden on the American health care system, making up $190 billion a year in weight-related medical bills.

More at: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-13/cdc-says-americans-are-fatter-ever-40-adults-now-considered-obese

Zippyjuan
10-13-2017, 06:33 PM
What would be a "free market" answer to the problem? Should the government encourage people to eat better and exercise more?

oyarde
10-13-2017, 07:03 PM
What would be a "free market" answer to the problem? Should the government encourage people to eat better and exercise more?

You could start by not making school mandatory and instituting a farm co op in public schools and making them self sufficient .LOL

Lamp
10-13-2017, 07:22 PM
What would be a "free market" answer to the problem? Should the government encourage people to eat better and exercise more?


I can think of several ways
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45V4fdoeMiE

HVACTech
10-13-2017, 07:24 PM
What would be a "free market" answer to the problem? Should the government encourage people to eat better and exercise more?

heh, in a "free market". it very quickly, becomes very obvious...
that the subjects of this query..
have a problem with self control.

and if they cannot control themselves... what should you put them in charge of?

possible exceptions include those with "big bones" :)

heavenlyboy34
10-13-2017, 08:13 PM
What would be a "free market" answer to the problem? Should the government encourage people to eat better and exercise more?

The regime created the food pyramid to benefit big agra. it has nothing to do with actual dietetics. One of the first things markets would do to alleviate this problem is to return responsibility for nutrition back to people where it should be. There's not much everyone has in common WRT dietary needs, so you need to figure it out with the help of someone qualified.

Zippyjuan
10-13-2017, 08:14 PM
The regime created the food pyramid to benefit big agra. it has nothing to do with actual dietetics. One of the first things markets would do to alleviate this problem is to return responsibility for nutrition back to people where it should be. There's not much everyone has in common WRT dietary needs, so you need to figure it out with the help of someone qualified.

So that is why people are obese- the food pyramid. How many people even know what the food pyramid looks like? Most people are looking for something quick and cheap to eat.

Working Poor
10-13-2017, 08:19 PM
That's because stuff is being called food that really is not food. A poor person on food stamps can buy all the coke a cola they want but they can't buy a supplement that could help them not crave coke.

navy-vet
10-13-2017, 09:15 PM
I remember JFK and his physical fitness campaign. I wonder now if it wasn't an epidemic of obesity that was the catalyst?

angelatc
10-13-2017, 09:26 PM
What would be a "free market" answer to the problem? Should the government .......

No.

The Northbreather
10-13-2017, 09:37 PM
What would be a "free market" answer to the problem? Should the government encourage people to eat better and exercise more?

Did this happen under the care of the rule of the FDA?

How did this happen? I thought they were here to protect us!

lilymc
10-13-2017, 09:49 PM
That's because stuff is being called food that really is not food.

^ This.

Plus, for some people their god is their belly. (Philippians 3:19)

navy-vet
10-13-2017, 10:19 PM
Its the damn corn syrup that the gov pushed on us for ADM!

heavenlyboy34
10-13-2017, 11:07 PM
So that is why people are obese- the food pyramid. How many people even know what the food pyramid looks like? Most people are looking for something quick and cheap to eat.

I don't believe I said that's *all*. There are plenty of other things.

timosman
10-13-2017, 11:11 PM
http://www.kraftmacandcheese.com/static/images/products/deluxe-four_cheese.png

tod evans
10-14-2017, 02:43 AM
What would be a "free market" answer to the problem? Should the government encourage people to eat better and exercise more?

No, government should stop providing "free food"...

Work for beans would end this BS...

Just look at the states that're the fattest and overlay a map of free shit recipients....

NorthCarolinaLiberty
10-14-2017, 03:38 AM
What would be a "free market" answer to the problem?

If you're fat, then that's your problem.

Weston White
10-14-2017, 06:05 AM
The government can just make fat our national currency, 1-pound of excess fat above the standard rate imposed by Congress would be equal to 1/16 troy ounce of silver and the bearer would be taxed at rate of 1/16 troy ounce of gold. Boom, problem solved. Pure genius!

navy-vet
10-14-2017, 11:50 AM
What about the offsets that obesity brings? Like heart disease and diabetes?

navy-vet
10-14-2017, 12:57 PM
Oh, I forgot! Not just the HFCS, but the growth hormones and other additives that they have put in the livestock feed to increase the animals weight. That's surely another factor in this obesity problem.
And, maybe even the unnatural GMO influences on plants and animals.

Zippyjuan
10-14-2017, 01:33 PM
No, government should stop providing "free food"...

Work for beans would end this BS...

Just look at the states that're the fattest and overlay a map of free $#@! recipients....

You are right- it does usually effect poor people more. Healthy foods are perversely more expensive. And they tend to be red states.

http://calorielab.com/news/wp-images/post-images/fattest-states-2015-big.jpg

https://www.mercatus.org/sites/default/files/vero_chart_3_image.png

Zippyjuan
10-14-2017, 01:37 PM
If you're fat, then that's your problem.

Poor health means your healthcare costs are higher- and costs are distributed over all patients so the healthy help pay to take care of the obese.

tod evans
10-14-2017, 02:52 PM
Poor health means your healthcare costs are higher- and costs are distributed over all patients so the healthy help pay to take care of the obese.

Same solution, get government the fuck out of healthcare too!

Let these "poor people" starve and die of disease.............Or get a job and take care of themselves they're not my problem.

TheTexan
10-14-2017, 03:06 PM
What's with all this fat hating? This is America, we can put any FDA approved food into our bodies that we fucking want to.

Marenco
10-14-2017, 06:28 PM
That's because stuff is being called food that really is not food. A poor person on food stamps can buy all the coke a cola they want but they can't buy a supplement that could help them not crave coke.

Also, let's not forget many people's sedentary lifestyles that plays a big part as well.

oyarde
10-14-2017, 08:30 PM
What's with all this fat hating? This is America, we can put any FDA approved food into our bodies that we fucking want to.

My state is still 60 percent lean but probably only because only 1 in 10 take the " free " govt food .

anaconda
10-14-2017, 09:40 PM
Poor health means your healthcare costs are higher- and costs are distributed over all patients so the healthy help pay to take care of the obese.

Government interference in health care means your healthcare costs are higher.

The public still fails to understand the conceptual difference between the delivery of health care services and health insurance. All else being equal, a fit lean person who consumed animal products raised on 100% on grass would be stupid to join a health insurance pool with a fat pre-diabetic who dined on sugar and grain-fed factory farmed animals. Competition should make medical services cheap, and equally cheap, across consumers. The latter group will inevitably choose to spend more on health services because of poorer health.

anaconda
10-14-2017, 10:01 PM
What's with all this fat hating? This is America, we can put any FDA approved food into our bodies that we $#@!ing want to.

Then why would Joe Scarborough quit the Republican Party? Makes no sense.

https://www.poynter.org/sites/default/files/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Scarborough.gif

TheTexan
10-15-2017, 02:26 AM
Then why would Joe Scarborough quit the Republican Party? Makes no sense.

https://www.poynter.org/sites/default/files/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Scarborough.gif

I was shocked when I heard that. Very few great musicians are Republican, so I was very saddened by this news.

Danke
10-15-2017, 02:48 AM
Texans like their burritos.

anaconda
10-15-2017, 03:49 AM
Texans like their burritos.

Many Californians like burritos.


And lots of others:

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/12/yum-brands-ceo-about-half-us-population-eats-taco-bell-every-month.html

anaconda
10-15-2017, 04:05 AM
Texans like their burritos.

Most heroin addicts started with milk. It's the gateway.

opal
10-17-2017, 10:20 AM
Want to appear thinner.. go to a fatter state

Zippyjuan
10-17-2017, 02:12 PM
Many Californians like burritos.


And lots of others:

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/12/yum-brands-ceo-about-half-us-population-eats-taco-bell-every-month.html

And they are one of the leanest states- #5 according to charts in this thread.

lilymc
10-17-2017, 03:30 PM
And they are one of the leanest states- #5 according to charts in this thread.

You took the words right out of my mouth. I guess Californians are just more into exercise?

Natural Citizen
10-17-2017, 03:52 PM
You took the words right out of my mouth. I guess Californians are just more into exercise?

I think they do Zumba. :p


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8En2vFgjp-w

lilymc
10-17-2017, 04:14 PM
I think they do Zumba. :p


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8En2vFgjp-w

lolol...Yeah, I know people who are into Zumba, including my mom.

Actually, as you know my roommate and I started doing Zumba a couple months ago… Except the song that she likes to dance to is this one: :D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jakyOJwUygE

NorthCarolinaLiberty
10-17-2017, 06:10 PM
You are right- it does usually effect poor people more. Healthy foods are perversely more expensive.

Really? How so?

I can remember prices of most everything I buy. Here is a list of what I daily and/or weekly, with rounded off prices:


apples; 99 cents per pound; 6 cents per ounce
raw kale; 99 cents per bunch; 9 cents per ounce
watermelon; 4.99 each; as low as 2 cents per ounce
bananas; 50 cents per pound; 10 cent per ounce (without peel)
raw valencia peanuts; 1.69 per pound; 11 cents per ounce
organic raw romaine; 3.99 per 3 pak; 14 cent per ounce
grapes; 1.49 per pound; 9 cents per ounce
organic raw carrots; 1.69 two pound package; 5 cents per ounce
tomatoes; 1.49 per pound; 9 cents per ounce
vidalia onions; 89 cents per pound; 6 cents per ounce
raisins; 3.49 for 24 ounce container; 14 cents per ounce
raw cabbage; 49 cents per pound; 3 cents per ounce
cucumbers; 50 cents each; 4 cents per ounce

I could list many others in the same price range. I can even feed our dog very healthy with raw organic chicken. The boneless thighs often go on sale for $2.46lb (15 cents per ounce). One quarter of his diet is raw vegetables, which makes his food even cheaper. He's 21 years old, 1996-present (okay, I am bragging a bit there :p:D).

I even get more for my money by eating the entire apple (except stem), eating watermelon seeds (protein), etc.



Among the cheapest candy I see is those peppermint wheels, which go 99 cents for 6 ounces (16 cents per ounce). Among the cheapest pastry I see is glazed donuts at Aldi for 8-9 cents per ounce. The cheapest snacks at Aldi are around 9 cents per ounce.

Most/many of the foods I eat are cheaper than the cheapest chocolate, frozen pizza, meat, cooked nuts, potato chips, and a whole shitload of other crap.


I don't want to hear how it's hard to eat healthy. It's not hard at all.

lilymc
10-17-2017, 06:28 PM
Really? How so?

I can remember prices of most everything I buy. Here is a list of what I daily and/or weekly, with rounded off prices:


apples; 99 cents per pound; 6 cents per ounce
raw kale; 99 cents per bunch; 9 cents per ounce
watermelon; 4.99 each; as low as 2 cents per ounce
bananas; 50 cents per pound; 10 cent per ounce (without peel)
raw valencia peanuts; 1.69 per pound; 11 cents per ounce
organic raw romaine; 3.99 per 3 pak; 14 cent per ounce
grapes; 1.49 per pound; 9 cents per ounce
organic raw carrots; 1.69 two pound package; 5 cents per ounce
tomatoes; 1.49 per pound; 9 cents per ounce
vidalia onions; 89 cents per pound; 6 cents per ounce
raisins; 3.49 for 24 ounce container; 14 cents per ounce
raw cabbage; 49 cents per pound; 3 cents per ounce
cucumbers; 50 cents each; 4 cents per ounce

I could list many others in the same price range. I can even feed our dog very healthy with raw organic chicken. The boneless thighs often go on sale for $2.46lb (15 cents per ounce).

I even get more for my money by eating the entire apple (except stem), eating watermelon seeds (protein), etc.



Among the cheapest candy I see is those peppermint wheels, which go 99 cents for 6 ounces (16 cents per ounce). Among the cheapest pastry I see is glazed donuts at Aldi for 8-9 cents per ounce. The cheapest snacks at Aldi are around 9 cents per ounce.

Most/many of the foods I eat are cheaper than the cheapest chocolate, frozen pizza, meat, cooked nuts, potato chips, and a whole $#@!load of other crap.


I don't want to hear how it's hard to eat healthy. It's not hard at all.

I agree. Now that I don't eat meat or dairy, and try to eat healthy, my groceries aren't really that expensive. You can't go wrong with rice and beans, veggies, fruits etc. The only thing that would be expensive for me, would be packaged vegan food... the specialty stuff, but I only get that once in a while.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
10-17-2017, 06:33 PM
I agree. Now that I don't eat meat or dairy, and try to eat healthy, my groceries aren't really that expensive. You can't go wrong with rice and beans, veggies, fruits etc. The only thing that would be expensive for me, would be packaged vegan food... the specialty stuff, but I only get that once in a while.

I think it's funny how that goes. The simplest foods are often the cheapest, even with this country's cheap food policy. There less money to be made in food than many industries. The high cost often comes with processing or dressing up something that is simple.

lilymc
10-17-2017, 06:46 PM
I think it's funny how that goes. The simplest foods are often the cheapest, even with this country's cheap food policy. There less money to be made in food than many industries. The high cost often comes with processing or dressing up something that is simple.

Yep. But it is true that many poor people eat fast food...which is unhealthy but cheap.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
10-17-2017, 06:52 PM
Yep. But it is true that many poor people eat fast food...which is unhealthy but cheap.

You know, that was always my impression, but I just looked this up. This source shows that these foods are fairly high. I would guess the chicken mcgarbage is higher, but I thought the other stuff would be lower. Is the link right? If so, then this stuff is higher than what you and I eat.


http://clark.com/deals-money-saving-advice/dollar-menu-really-best-value-mcdonalds/

lilymc
10-17-2017, 07:00 PM
You know, that was always my impression, but I just looked this up. This source shows that these foods are fairly high. I would guess the chicken mcgarbage is higher, but I thought the other stuff would be lower. Is the link right? If so, then this stuff is higher than what you and I eat.


http://clark.com/deals-money-saving-advice/dollar-menu-really-best-value-mcdonalds/

Hmm, yeah, it looks like prices went up. I live outside the US and haven't eaten that sort of thing in a long time. Definitely cheaper just to cook something at home that is simple and healthy.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
10-17-2017, 07:44 PM
Hmm, yeah, it looks like prices went up.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I never go in fast food joints unless I have to use their toilet (:cool:), so never really knew the exact prices. Look at the prices per pound on that link. A double cheeseburger is $8.11 per pound. A quarter pounder is 9.81 per pound. Their fish sandwich is $10.59 per pound. These are really, really high in my book. You can get a decent cut of meat at the grocer for cheaper than that fast food sh*t. And, the grocery meat won't literally smell like sh*t.

I now think this whole thing is a misconception based on slick marketing. There's a dollar section in one of the grocery stores we shop. The candy is a buck, but it's only about 4 ounces. That is 25 cents per ounce, or $4.00 per pound. That's really not that cheap for chocolate or for a store section (everything $1.00) that is supposed to be cheap.

I now see that this entire fast food is cheap mindset is not even remotely true! Really the opposite. I thought it was slightly higher than the grocery produce section, but it's a lot higher. What a crappy gimmick!

AZJoe
10-17-2017, 07:54 PM
Government interference in health care means your healthcare costs are higher.

The public still fails to understand the conceptual difference between the delivery of health care services and health insurance. All else being equal, a fit lean person who consumed animal products raised on 100% on grass would be stupid to join a health insurance pool with a fat pre-diabetic who dined on sugar and grain-fed factory farmed animals. Competition should make medical services cheap, and equally cheap, across consumers. The latter group will inevitably choose to spend more on health services because of poorer health.

Plus now, under Obamacare, insurance is not even allowed to offer discount for healthy lifestyle (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-17/how-obamacare-fuels-obesity-epidemic) beyond being a non-smoker. Healthy lifestyles pay higher premiums the same as unhealthy lifestyles. The law subsidizes unhealthy lifestyles. We know what happens to anything you subsidize.


"Under Obamacare, a 30-year-old male, with a BMI of 18, who works out 5-6 days a week, eats as healthy as possible, and has absolutely no health problems whatsoever, ends up paying the same amount in premiums as a 30-year-old male who is 600lbs, eats two pizzas and drinks two 2-liter sodas daily, and has been previously told by his doctor that he needs to lose weight, or be at risk for heart disease and diabetes."

AZJoe
10-17-2017, 07:56 PM
https://i0.wp.com/fmshooter.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/obesity-gif.gif?resize=626%2C421

navy-vet
10-18-2017, 07:32 PM
Yep. But it is true that many poor people eat fast food...which is unhealthy but cheap.
That and it tastes good! Fast food is absolutely delicious! Big Macs, cheeseburgers, fries, shakes.....they taste heavenly. Beats heck out of lettuce and celery and carrots....and that's one thing that makes the kids and many adults choose the bad stuff.

specsaregood
10-18-2017, 07:48 PM
I think it's funny how that goes. The simplest foods are often the cheapest, even with this country's cheap food policy. There less money to be made in food than many industries. The high cost often comes with processing or dressing up something that is simple.

grocery stores have the lowest markup/profit margin on goods in retail.

navy-vet
10-18-2017, 07:54 PM
I have heard that the grocery stores in the poor neighborhoods who can survive the theft, don't have a problem loosing veggies and the stuff that's good for you. It's the candy, some sweet fruits like cherries and grapes, cookies, pastries, donuts, fried chicken, soft drinks, and booze that gets gone. The poor folks just don't WANT the celery, carrots, and apples etc.

lilymc
10-18-2017, 08:03 PM
That and it tastes good! Fast food is absolutely delicious! Big Macs, cheeseburgers, fries, shakes.....they taste heavenly. Beats heck out of lettuce and celery and carrots....and that's one thing that makes the kids and many adults choose the bad stuff.

I don't think it's the "food" itself... But all the stuff that's added to it, like salt, sugar, fat, cheese. A lot of people don't realize this, but those things are actually addictive. Those ingredients trigger something in your brain that make you crave more greasy, salty fatty foods....which is why when you drive by a McDonald's, your mouth might start to water. But is that addiction really worth it when what you're actually doing is putting all sorts of crap into your body, clogging your arteries, causing obesity, etc?

I have a cousin who ate tons of fast food for years (in fact, he and his wife met when they both worked at a fast food place, she is obese) and ate the SAD. He suddenly died of a heart attack at age 47. It was tragic.. I know people always say this about someone who died, but he really was one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet.

Another thing that many people don't seem to realize is that healthy food is delicious... or it I should say it can be, it's all about how you prepare it. Ever since I went plant-based, I've gotten into cooking, trying all sorts of new interesting recipes, and I'm telling you, I've had so many dishes that are both healthy AND absolutely delicious. :) And I don't have to worry about getting cancer, heart disease, or getting fat... and of course no animals are harmed when you eat a plant-based diet. I've said this before, but I'll say it again… it was without a doubt one of the best life decisions I ever made. I'd say it's number two.

Natural Citizen
10-18-2017, 08:10 PM
Another thing that many people don't seem to realize is that healthy food is delicious... or it I should say it can be, it's all about how you prepare it. Ever since I went plant-based, I've gotten into cooking, trying all sorts of new interesting recipes, and I'm telling you, I've had so many dishes that are both healthy AND absolutely delicious. :)

Biscuits n gravy'll keep a feller around.

lilymc
10-18-2017, 08:22 PM
Biscuits n gravy'll keep a feller around.

Heheh. I'm all for biscuits and gravy… Well, as long as the gravy isn't from meat. I don't think I've had much Southern food… so you'll have to teach me how to make all those delicious southern dishes.:)

Natural Citizen
10-18-2017, 08:24 PM
Heheh. I'm all for biscuits and gravy… Well, as long as the gravy isn't from meat. I don't think I've had much Southern food… so you'll have to teach me how to make all those delicious southern dishes.:)

K. First thing is wear an apron. One of those checkered ones. But only an apron. One of those checkered ones. I'll keep an eye on ya, don't worry.

lilymc
10-18-2017, 08:37 PM
lololol.... I was going to say something to that, but I think I'll refrain.

Ok, back to the topic!

Natural Citizen
10-18-2017, 08:45 PM
Heh. Okay.

End the CDC!

Heck, I coud have told yuns that just by looking around. Who needs a federal agency to tell us? lol.

That is all. :)

AZJoe
11-10-2017, 03:09 PM
https://i0.wp.com/oecdinsights.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Obesity-rates-2015.jpg