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pcgame
10-03-2017, 02:21 PM
Las Vegas Mass Shooting Politicized

VidMe link for people who do not want to support Google: https://vid.me/nYIlr

BitChute link for people who do not want to support Google: https://www.bitchute.com/video/nkwCtwwN_p0/




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkwCtwwN_p0

PierzStyx
10-03-2017, 03:20 PM
Of course it has been politicized. Why do people act all shocked about this happening?

Things like this do demonstrate some contradictions though.

For example, how many here thing the CBS VP got what she deserved? How many of those same people thought it was terrible when Google fired that guy for contradicting their diversity policy? I bet there is more than a little overlap, and all of it hypocritical.

Which really is a great example of how corrupt politics are when put in action. Politics forces you to choose sides, making it an Us vs. Them issue, which in turn breeds contradiction and sows hypocrisy. It is how lies life the "Left v. Right" divide maintain such influence even when everyone rationally admits they're fallacious. But it is unsurprising. When you abandon principle the only result you can have is corruption.

Swordsmyth
10-03-2017, 03:41 PM
Of course it has been politicized. Why do people act all shocked about this happening?

Things like this do demonstrate some contradictions though.

For example, how many here thing the CBS VP got what she deserved? How many of those same people thought it was terrible when Google fired that guy for contradicting their diversity policy? I bet there is more than a little overlap, and all of it hypocritical.

Which really is a great example of how corrupt politics are when put in action. Politics forces you to choose sides, making it an Us vs. Them issue, which in turn breeds contradiction and sows hypocrisy. It is how lies life the "Left v. Right" divide maintain such influence even when everyone rationally admits they're fallacious. But it is unsurprising. When you abandon principle the only result you can have is corruption.

Yeah, saying that uneven representation of women in tech might arise from something more natural than deliberate discrimination is EXACTLY like saying you are glad that innocent people were murdered:rolleyes:

Raginfridus
10-03-2017, 04:21 PM
PierzStyx doesn't give place to Intuition and Emotion, for knowledge is Reason's alone. :P

Swordsmyth
10-03-2017, 04:25 PM
@PierzStyx (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=33507) doesn't give place to Intuition and Emotion, for knowledge is Reason's alone. :P

Too bad reason abandoned him long ago.

acptulsa
10-03-2017, 04:32 PM
The question is not whether they'll let this perfectly good crisis go to waste. Naturally, they will not. The question is, was it manufactured to further a political agenda?

pcgame
10-03-2017, 05:40 PM
Updated original post with VidMe and BitChute links.

VidMe link for people who do not want to support Google: https://vid.me/nYIlr

BitChute link for people who do not want to support Google: https://www.bitchute.com/video/nkwCtwwN_p0/

angelatc
10-03-2017, 05:49 PM
For example, how many here thing the CBS VP got what she deserved? n.

Uh, not me. She wasn't speaking on behalf of the network, it was her personal account.

Swordsmyth
10-04-2017, 01:14 AM
Call for ban on 'bump stocks'https://www.yahoo.com/news/call-ban-apos-bump-stocks-204251971.html

PRB
10-04-2017, 01:23 AM
Unite? I don't remember Republicans ever wanting to unite after a mass shooting.

PRB
10-04-2017, 01:25 AM
Zionist Jew wants to grab your stocks

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/915233245981057024

fedupinmo
10-04-2017, 09:11 AM
Gonna need to ban these, too... http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/smilies/eek.gif
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVfwFP_RwTQ

PierzStyx
10-04-2017, 10:59 AM
Too bad reason abandoned him long ago.

It is funny how those most blind are always the ones who insist they see everything. Enjoy the ditch.

PierzStyx
10-04-2017, 11:00 AM
Yeah, saying that uneven representation of women in tech might arise from something more natural than deliberate discrimination is EXACTLY like saying you are glad that innocent people were murdered:rolleyes:

Irrelevant. If you believed the freedom of speech applied equally you wouldn't be willing to punish one for using theirs in a way disapproved by you and reward anotehr for using theirs in a way you like. This is exactly how politics leads people into abandoning freedom for servility.

Anti Federalist
10-04-2017, 11:18 AM
Uh, not me. She wasn't speaking on behalf of the network, it was her personal account.

Raises hand as well.

I have been hollering for years about this: about how you employer does not "own" you.

Statements and activities that are not made on "company time" and do not concern company business, should have no bearing on what happens to you at work.

juleswin
10-04-2017, 11:24 AM
Uh, not me. She wasn't speaking on behalf of the network, it was her personal account.

SHe wasn't speaking on behalf of the company but seeing as it is a public media company that relies of trust from the public for patronage, firing her sent the right message to the public that the company does not stand for that kind of speech.

Completely OK with letting her go.

angelatc
10-04-2017, 11:28 AM
SHe wasn't speaking on behalf of the company but seeing as it is a public media company that relies of trust from the public for patronage, firing her sent the right message to the public that the company does not stand for that kind of speech.

Completely OK with letting her go.

She wasn't in a front-facing position. She is a corporate lawyer. Its not like CBS thinks people should like their lawyers. Don't get me wrong - I'm not losing any sleep over it, but I thought it was wrong when the Firefox guy was drummed out because he donated to an anti-gay marriage cause. I'm certainly not going to jump on the hypocrite train here.

timosman
10-04-2017, 11:31 AM
SHe wasn't speaking on behalf of the company but seeing as it is a public media company that relies of trust from the public for patronage, firing her sent the right message to the public that the company does not stand for that kind of speech.

Completely OK with letting her go.

Cue fake outrage. Maybe it would be better if the public did not trust the media and were a bit more critical about the news? Would it be too hard on the public?:cool:

Swordsmyth
10-04-2017, 12:03 PM
Irrelevant. If you believed the freedom of speech applied equally you wouldn't be willing to punish one for using theirs in a way disapproved by you and reward anotehr for using theirs in a way you like. This is exactly how politics leads people into abandoning freedom for servility.

An employer has every right to fire an employee for disgracing them by association, no one ever said Google didn't have a legal right to fire the man, they were just wrong and we have the right to criticize and boycott them, CBS would have been wrong to not fire the scum who celebrated the death of innocents and we would have been within our rights to criticize and boycott them, IT'S CALLED THE MARKET AT WORK, IT"S ALSO CALLED RIGHT AND WRONG, I know you struggle with both concepts but do try to study them before you embarrass yourself again.

Swordsmyth
10-04-2017, 12:10 PM
Raises hand as well.

I have been hollering for years about this: about how you employer does not "own" you.

Statements and activities that are not made on "company time" and do not concern company business, should have no bearing on what happens to you at work.


She wasn't in a front-facing position. She is a corporate lawyer. Its not like CBS thinks people should like their lawyers. Don't get me wrong - I'm not losing any sleep over it, but I thought it was wrong when the Firefox guy was drummed out because he donated to an anti-gay marriage cause. I'm certainly not going to jump on the hypocrite train here.

When you make a heinous enough public statement it reflects on your associates, a media company in particular is vulnerable to charges of bias, they had every right and were perfectly justified in firing her, the market would have punished them if they hadn't.

She brought this on herself by publicly exposing her evilness.

Much as I don't like the employers firing others for their innocuous opinions they also have that right, my right is to then criticize and boycott them.

Swordsmyth
10-04-2017, 12:12 PM
Cue fake outrage. Maybe it would be better if the public did not trust the media and were a bit more critical about the news? Would it be too hard on the public?:cool:

They expose themselves sooner or later, we can't expect or require them to publicly declare their allegiance to the dark side.

Ender
10-04-2017, 12:29 PM
An employer has every right to fire an employee for disgracing them by association, no one ever said Google didn't have a legal right to fire the man, they were just wrong and we have the right to criticize and boycott them, CBS would have been wrong to not fire the scum who celebrated the death of innocents and we would have been within our rights to criticize and boycott them, IT'S CALLED THE MARKET AT WORK, IT"S ALSO CALLED RIGHT AND WRONG, I know you struggle with both concepts but do try to study them before you embarrass yourself again.
PierzStyx is talking about hypocrisy on our part- not whether it is right or wrong to fire someone for their POV.

Swordsmyth
10-04-2017, 12:34 PM
@PierzStyx (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=33507) is talking about hypocrisy on our part- not whether it is right or wrong to fire someone for their POV.

And it is not hypocrisy for me to criticize the firing of someone who said something that was right and ignore or praise the firing of someone who said something heinous.

It's called right and wrong.

Ender
10-04-2017, 12:39 PM
And it is not hypocrisy for me to criticize the firing of someone who said something that was right and ignore or praise the firing of someone who said something heinous.

It's called right and wrong.

So, try to explain that POV w/o name-calling and innuendos. That is ALSO a reflection of right and wrong.

acptulsa
10-04-2017, 01:43 PM
Uh, not me. She wasn't speaking on behalf of the network, it was her personal account.

But she was flying the corporate flag on that account. If she had said, 'Legal council for a major network', that would have been different. But she had a big, fat ad for CBS on that account.

I'd have fired her for being a damned lousy lawyer, if she couldn't see how flying the corporate flag above statements like that could be a liability to the company.

enhanced_deficit
10-04-2017, 01:45 PM
It has been politicized, in some cases way more than others.

CBS Legal Exec: No Sympathy For Vegas ‘Because Country Music Fans Often Are Republican’ (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?515512-CBS-Legal-Exec-No-Sympathy-For-Vegas-%E2%80%98Because-Country-Music-Fans-Often-Are-Republican%E2%80%99&)

Swordsmyth
10-04-2017, 02:18 PM
Newt Gingrich Wants More Gun Control Laws After Las Vegas Shootinghttps://www.yahoo.com/news/even-gop-apos-newt-gingrich-191848644.html


Gov. Inslee calls for ban of firearm attachment Vegas gunman usedhttp://mynorthwest.com/773734/gov-inslee-calls-for-bump-stock-ban/

Swordsmyth
10-04-2017, 02:20 PM
Representative Bill Flores (R-Texas) also called for a ban.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/even-gop-apos-newt-gingrich-191848644.html

Swordsmyth
10-04-2017, 02:24 PM
Sen. Feinstein introducing bill to ban bump stocks after Vegas shootinghttp://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sen-feinstein-introducing-bill-ban-bump-stocks-vegas/story?id=50276506

Ender
10-04-2017, 02:29 PM
Representative Bill Flores (R-Texas) also called for a ban.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/even-gop-apos-newt-gingrich-191848644.html

Interesting how few seem to comprehend that mass shootings always take place in gun-free zones. :rolleyes:

Anti Federalist
10-04-2017, 02:34 PM
Completely OK with letting her go.

Of course you are.

And this board is rep-burning Zippy why, again, exactly?

tommyrp12
10-04-2017, 02:44 PM
I wish Reid made it on a national MSM channel.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEemOMsz5Q8

Ender
10-04-2017, 02:56 PM
And this board is rep-burning Zippy why, again, exactly?

My question, as well.

Anti Federalist
10-04-2017, 03:13 PM
Of course it's "politicized".

Government has declared itself to have the right to be involved/regulate/control/enforce in every thing we do.

Therefore, everything is political.

PierzStyx
10-04-2017, 03:41 PM
An employer has every right to fire an employee for disgracing them by association, no one ever said Google didn't have a legal right to fire the man, they were just wrong and we have the right to criticize and boycott them, CBS would have been wrong to not fire the scum who celebrated the death of innocents and we would have been within our rights to criticize and boycott them, IT'S CALLED THE MARKET AT WORK, IT"S ALSO CALLED RIGHT AND WRONG, I know you struggle with both concepts but do try to study them before you embarrass yourself again.

Someone who is unable to grasp the concept that I am not talking about whether Google's actions at all but rather am talking about the hypocrisy of people here doesn't have the intellectual credit to be taken seriously as a critic. The only person embarrassing them self is the one going on rants about something no one is talking about- which is to say you.


IT"S ALSO CALLED RIGHT AND WRONG

Spoken like a true Progressive. Everyone who dares says anything you disapprove of must be hunted down and have their life destroyed so you can enforce your universal groupthink.

Swordsmyth
10-04-2017, 03:45 PM
Someone who is unable to grasp the concept that I am not talking about whether Google's actions at all but rather am talking about the hypocrisy of people here doesn't have the intellectual credit to be taken seriously as a critic. The only person embarrassing them self is the one going on rants about something no one is talking about- which is to say you.



Spoken like a true Progressive. Everyone who dares says anything you disapprove of must be hunted down and have their life destroyed so you can enforce your universal groupthink.

Proving yet again that you have absolutely no grasp of the difference between private market action and government interference, or any understanding of hypocrisy, or the difference between saying that many women have different skill sets than men and saying you are glad innocent people were murdered.

Lamp
10-04-2017, 06:12 PM
Someone who is unable to grasp the concept that I am not talking about whether Google's actions at all but rather am talking about the hypocrisy of people here doesn't have the intellectual credit to be taken seriously as a critic. The only person embarrassing them self is the one going on rants about something no one is talking about- which is to say you.



Spoken like a true Progressive. Everyone who dares says anything you disapprove of must be hunted down and have their life destroyed so you can enforce your universal groupthink.

How would would you even regulate GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGLE IN THE FIRST PLACE?

otherone
10-04-2017, 06:27 PM
Employment is at will, by both employer and employee. You may leave employment based on the employers political views; they can fire you based on yours . It's called freedom.

Swordsmyth
10-05-2017, 12:22 AM
Sen. Feinstein introducing bill to ban bump stocks after Vegas shooting

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sen-feinstein-introducing-bill-ban-bump-stocks-vegas/story?id=50276506

Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.), the third ranking Republican in the chamber, said the bump stock issue was something (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-thune-says-i-think-well-take-a-look-at-bump-stock-device-restrictions/) worth looking atóa sentiment echoed by Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and, the following day, John Cornyn (R-TX).ďIt seems odd that itís illegal to convert a semiautomatic to an automatic, and itís illegal to buy or hold an automatic weapon without the appropriate license, that then you could just modify how many times a weapon can shoot by using something you can buy legally,Ē Cornyn told (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-04/gop-senators-ready-to-examine-limits-on-altering-semiautomatics) reporters on Wednesday.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/republicans-show-interestbut-they-stress-not-supportfor-a-bump-stock-ban-after-las-vegas-shooting?yptr=yahoo

timosman
10-05-2017, 12:39 AM
Employment is at will, by both employer and employee. You may leave employment based on the employers political views; they can fire you based on yours .

I am pretty sure they can't. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/donna-ballman/can-you-be-fired-for-your_b_9154066.html


California, Colorado, New York, North Dakota and Louisiana, say itís illegal to retaliate against an employee for their off-duty participation in politics or political campaigns. In Florida, itís a felony to ďdischarge or threaten to discharge any employee in his or her service for voting or not voting in any election, state, county, or municipal, for any candidate or measure submitted to a vote of the people.Ē