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Mordan
09-29-2017, 09:52 AM
Hello,

Has anyone a copy of that debate in winter 2008? I have been looking for years... Asking again here. It was deleted everywhere...

It was Obama vs Hillary vs Ron Paul vs Huckabee.

Obama was the worst and I guess he made sure the video was deleted.

Raginfridus
09-29-2017, 10:05 AM
I've found references to it, its a February debate, but not the video itself.

Mordan
09-30-2017, 03:14 AM
I've found references to it, its a February debate, but not the video itself.

that video is worth gold... cannot find it. The debate format was canned because people could react in real time about what politicians said. Obama was a total loser without a teleprompter.

Is there a thread on this forum about it?

Found it

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?94-MTV-MySpace-Presidential-Dialogue

Wooden Indian
09-30-2017, 10:39 AM
These videos are all deleted ...



Just finished uploading all the youtubes:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o5dNXeE2FE
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlYig6RpH6M
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABoO4ThpMYE
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-AtJBG8XIM

timosman
09-30-2017, 11:17 AM
The wayback machine still has snapshots w/comments but no video - https://web.archive.org/web/20080208034008/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o5dNXeE2FE

acptulsa
09-30-2017, 11:49 AM
When looking for something the search engines want to surpress, you'll never get anywhere by using the wrong terms. Like, for example, typing facebook instead of myspace. If google wants it buried, you can't even misspell anything and expect results.

2/3 of the way down the page.

http://www.ronpaulforpresident2008.com/news_archive/february08.html

timosman
09-30-2017, 11:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUs1FAaMNDA

timosman
09-30-2017, 12:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knaxH_wYCVs

timosman
09-30-2017, 01:04 PM
No Obama however. Even the Wayback machine does not have any snapshots of the videos. :confused:

acptulsa
09-30-2017, 02:35 PM
No Obama however. Even the Wayback machine does not have any snapshots of the videos. :confused:

Memory Holed.

Raginfridus
09-30-2017, 07:46 PM
I tried searching outside site:youtube, and I got nothing. I tried Scholar.google, still nothing. I tried searching inside a multitude of vid hosts, and I got nothing. Once youtube wipes their servers, then the vids seem good as gone - unless anybody knows about a youtube converter that actually keeps cached vids?

timosman
09-30-2017, 09:11 PM
I tried searching outside site:youtube, and I got nothing. I tried Scholar.google, still nothing. I tried searching inside a multitude of vid hosts, and I got nothing. Once youtube wipes their servers, then the vids seem good as gone - unless anybody knows about a youtube converter that actually keeps cached vids?

There are links to mtv.com on reddit which is where the videos were posted originally - https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/67hj3/ron_paul_finally_treated_respectfully_by_mtv_no/?limit=500

It might be as simple as contacting them. Using FOIA might work too. Candidate Obama etc .....

Raginfridus
09-30-2017, 09:15 PM
I guess we can't say they've technically been wiped, until we've asked MTV for copies.

Yes, asking for the sake of Obama is a good spin. Maybe that's the way to go.

timosman
09-30-2017, 09:32 PM
There is also CPD - http://www.debates.org/ , FEC - https://www.fec.gov/, EFF -https://www.eff.org/ and Ron Paul campaign might have a copy too.

Mordan
10-01-2017, 03:58 AM
When looking for something the search engines want to surpress, you'll never get anywhere by using the wrong terms. Like, for example, typing facebook instead of myspace. If google wants it buried, you can't even misspell anything and expect results.

2/3 of the way down the page.

http://www.ronpaulforpresident2008.com/news_archive/february08.html

yea my bad. in my mind it was facebook. Hopefully a forum member corrected me in this thread.

it was an very good format.. Hillary did actually well compared to Obama.

Obama is a liberal god and no fan site saved the video? must have very bad performance!

The Rebel Poet
10-01-2017, 10:21 PM
https://youtu.be/CUs1FAaMNDA

milgram
10-01-2017, 11:18 PM
Found some using Bing's video search

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?sp=-1&pq=mtv+closing+arguments+2008&sc=0-26&sk=&cvid=790BBEC4FE33463F887C30208AEBFE54&q=mtv+closing+arguments+2008&qft=+filterui:msite-mtv.com&FORM=VRFLTR

1 - http://www.mtv.com/video-clips/pgnnfe/1-of-10-countdown-to-the-super-dialogue
2 - ?
3 - http://www.mtv.com/video-clips/ul79tv/3-of-10-huckabee-addresses-the-economy
4 - http://www.mtv.com/video-clips/iw1xbp/4-of-10-the-republican-party-deserves-to-be-punished
5 - http://www.mtv.com/video-clips/a3oypa/5-of-10-what-keeps-ron-paul-in-the-race
6 - ?
7 - http://www.mtv.com/video-clips/ocyvss/7-of-10-gay-marriage-vs-civil-unions
8 - http://www.mtv.com/video-clips/616o7c/8-of-10-undecided-no-more
9 - ?
10 - http://www.mtv.com/video-clips/ykpwai/10-of-10-does-clinton-regret-voting-for-war

Obama is part 7 and probably part 6. The missing parts may be on MTV's site somewhere.

timosman
10-01-2017, 11:25 PM
2 - http://www.mtv.com/video-clips/9cf8wk/2-of-10-pastor-turned-president
6 - http://www.mtv.com/video-clips/z1rw4u/6-of-10-the-military-is-just-one-way-to-serve
9 - http://www.mtv.com/video-clips/zv4ksv/9-of-10-clinton-s-electability

timosman
10-02-2017, 09:36 AM
Hello,

Has anyone a copy of that debate in winter 2008? I have been looking for years... Asking again here. It was deleted everywhere...

It was Obama vs Hillary vs Ron Paul vs Huckabee.

Obama was the worst and I guess he made sure the video was deleted.

OK, the videos have been found. What are we looking for?:confused:

Mordan
10-02-2017, 11:29 AM
OK, the videos have been found. What are we looking for?:confused:

have they? wow :)

all of it, except Huckabee lol..

well i especially want Obama.

EDIT: ok i see them.. going to download them first then will look into it.

EDIT: i hacked the site but can't download the feed.. that's rare.

EDIT 3: i tried chrome with flash video downloader and it downloads an empty video ... :confused::rolleyes:

timosman
10-02-2017, 07:49 PM
have they? wow :)

all of it, except Huckabee lol..

well i especially want Obama.

EDIT: ok i see them.. going to download them first then will look into it.

EDIT: i hacked the site but can't download the feed.. that's rare.

EDIT 3: i tried chrome with flash video downloader and it downloads an empty video ... :confused::rolleyes:

Maybe you should locate your head first?:confused: