View Full Version : Trump’s UN Speech: A Neocon Dream?

09-20-2017, 07:28 PM


09-20-2017, 09:52 PM

The Rebel Poet
09-20-2017, 10:15 PM

To paraphrase Dr. Paul, neoconservatism is popular.

09-21-2017, 12:51 PM
Libertarianism isn't really popular among libertarians. Dr. Paul is speaking truth as he often has. I'm sure all the rest of the "libertarians" here will start calling him a globalist too.

The Rebel Poet
09-21-2017, 01:17 PM
Libertarianism isn't really popular among libertarians. Dr. Paul is speaking truth as he often has. I'm sure all the rest of the "libertarians" here will start calling him a globalist too.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to PierzStyx again.

09-21-2017, 05:49 PM
The MIC/Deep State machine rolls on...

09-21-2017, 06:04 PM
One theory is that Trump removed the macho incentive for KJU. Now if he launches a missile test everyone will be laughing at him ("there goes Rocket Man!..") rather than fearing him as some sort of serious, menacing provocateur.

09-21-2017, 07:15 PM
He's just doing what needs to be done to maintain the world order as it has been since the end of world war 2. I can't imagine the world any different, when I look back years ago, about pacifism and non-intervention it is fantasy. Somebody has to maintain order, and sadly, mistakes will be made, and the common problems with people in power, laziness, selfishness, and greed kick in, and creates a culture.

Trump couldn't be serious about the Atlantic treaty, he couldn't. I can see why some want a reform of the UN, or even one step further a world parliament, like a dead former Astronaut supported years ago.

Natural Citizen
09-21-2017, 08:32 PM
....or even one step further a world parliament, like a dead former Astronaut supported years ago.

Who are you talking about? Edgar Mitchell? Or someone else?

09-22-2017, 03:33 AM
Excerpts of the UN (Newspeak) Speech, [with commentary in brackets]:

And it has just been announced that we will be spending almost $700 billion on our military and defense.
Our military will soon be the strongest it has ever been. … I intend to address some of the very serious threats before us today but also the enormous potential waiting to be unleashed. …

each day also brings news of growing dangers that threaten everything we cherish and value. Terrorists and extremists have gathered strength and spread to every region of the planet. Rogue regimes [like Washington] represented in this body not only support terrorists but threaten other nations and their own people with the most destructive weapons known to humanity.

Authority and authoritarian powers seek to collapse the values, the systems, and alliances that prevented conflict and tilted the world toward freedom since World War II.

International criminal networks traffic drugs, weapons, people; force dislocation and mass migration [just like sponsoring proxy rebellion and overthrowing government and bombing nations]; threaten our borders; and new forms of aggression exploit technology to menace our citizens. …

Our success depends on a coalition of strong and independent nations that embrace their sovereignty to promote security, prosperity, and peace for themselves and for the world.
[Well Gee, wouldn’t that entail not sponsoring regime change operations, funding and arming terrorists, launching proxy wars, not invading sovereign airspace to bomb other nations, not launching drone operations, not launching economic sanction warfare, not threatening to invade and launching annual full scale mock invasion of a sovereign nation, not tapping every communication device, not designing and launching malware and putting into that malware false flag code to intentionally implication other states, not bombing weddings and houses, not propping up Wahhabis oil dictatorships, and on and on ….] …

But we do expect all nations to uphold these two core sovereign duties: to respect the interests of their own people and the rights of every other sovereign nation. [Gee that would mean not going things like trying to overthrow the government of Syria and repose its leader; not funding the overthrow of the elected government of Ukraine, not deposing the entire government of Libya after arming and funding an army of jihadists; not launching a full scale mock invasion of North Korea on an annual basis, not resorting to isolationists economic warfare and sanctions because other governments exercise their own sovereignty … ]

Strong, sovereign nations let diverse countries with different values, different cultures, and different dreams not just coexist, but work side by side on the basis of mutual respect. [Like Washington has done with Syria, Libya, Ukraine, North Korea, Russia, China, Cuba, Valenzuela, Iran, Panama, Viet Nam …]

Strong, sovereign nations let their people take ownership of the future and control their own destiny. [Unless perhaps those people are Ukraine before the Washington sponsored overthrow of the government, or people of Donbass choosing their own destiny after the Washington sponsored overthrow of the elected government] …

We are celebrating the 230th anniversary of our beloved Constitution … This timeless document has been the foundation of peace, prosperity, and freedom … [which is why Washington ignores and tramples over it on a perpetual basis, passing whatever laws it wants, and domestic spying, torture, renditions, drone assassinations, wiretapping that would make Stasi blush, launching wars in direct violation of the document. ] …

In foreign affairs, we are renewing this founding principle of sovereignty. [By trampling and running roughshod over the sovereignty of any other nation that does not cow tow to Washington’s commands]. …

But making a better life for our people also requires us to work together in close harmony and unity to create a more safe and peaceful future for all people. [Washington believes the best way to do that is for Washington to threaten, launch economic warfare and sanctions, launch drone assassinations, bomb, sponsor regime change and color revolutions, inject malware, fund and arm terrorists proxy armies, install puppet regimes, prop up terrorist sponsoring dictatorships, arm and advise and oversee Saudi Arabia’s genocide of Yemen, …] …

America's devotion is measured on the battlefields where our young men and women have fought and sacrificed alongside of our allies, from the beaches of Europe to the deserts of the Middle East to the jungles of Asia. …

That realism forces us to confront a question … Will we slide down the path of complacency, numb to the challenges, threats, and even wars that we face. Or do we have enough strength and pride to confront those dangers …

We must reject threats to sovereignty, from the Ukraine [where Washington sponsored the overthrow of Ukraine’s sovereignty] to the South China Sea. We must uphold respect for law [that we violate at will] , respect for borders [that we violate at will, bombs and drones away …] , and respect for culture, and the peaceful engagement these allow. …

The scourge of our planet today is a small group of rogue regimes [namely Washington] that violate every principle on which the United Nations is based. They respect neither their own citizens [like a total domestic surveillance state] nor the sovereign rights of their countries [like Washington’s drone invasions, or bombing campaigns, or raising proxy rebel armies or finding terrorists, or perhaps Washington’s prevention of any economic trade or relationship building of goodwill between North and South Koreas …] . …

No one has shown more contempt for other nations and for the well-being of their own people than the depraved regime in North Korea [except perhaps the regime in Washington which shows nothing but contempt for the sovereignty of other nations, or the well-being of people in NK or other nations which Washington is willing to sacrifice or displace by the millions, or impoverish with sanctions ] . …

If this is not twisted enough, now North Korea's reckless pursuit of nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles threatens [self-defense deterrent from Washington’s perpetual invasion threats – the only thing that seems to have any deterrent effect for Washington]. …

No nation on earth has an interest in seeing this band of criminals arm itself with nuclear weapons and missiles. [Except for Washington which can get NK to give up its ambition in an instant simply by giving up its massive annual mock invasion of NK, but Washington refuses to do]

The United States has great strength and [im]patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies [or perhaps a false flag or some other pretext], we will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea. [Wipe North Korea off the map. How is that for respecting the lives of the North Korean people?]. … The United States is ready, willing and able …

It is time for North Korea to realize that the denuclearization is its only acceptable future. [Unlike the Washington. Plus denuclearization removes the deterrent to this superpower using its overwhelming war machine at will – See i.e. Libya]. …

It is far past time for the nations of the world to confront another reckless regime … The Iranian government [See how much Washington respects national sovereignty] …

Rather than use its resources to improve Iranian lives, its oil profits go to fund [Al Qaeda and ISIS and other Wahhabis extremists – oops wait, that is Washington, Saudi Arabia and Israel funding those terrorists] Hezbollah … This wealth, which rightly belongs to Iran's people, also goes to shore up Bashar al-Assad's dictatorship [of course Washington does not spend any money on foreign military adventures or dictatorships or foreign aid influence], fuel Yemen's [self-defense] civil war [as opposed to Washington’s support for Saudi Arabia’s invasion, blockade, starvation and genocide of Yemen] …

We cannot let a murderous regime continue these destabilizing activities while building dangerous missiles [so, regime change for Washington?] …

The entire world understands that the good people of Iran want [Washington to stay out] change, and, other than the vast military power of the United States, that Iran's people are what their leaders fear the most. …

Oppressive regimes cannot endure forever, and the day will come when the Iranian [or perhaps American] people will face a choice. Will they continue down the path of poverty, bloodshed, and terror? Or will the Iranian [American] people return to the nation's proud roots …

In [the terrorist sponsoring, genocidal invading, dictatorship] Saudi Arabia early last year, I was greatly honored … We will stop radical Islamic terrorism [by covertly funding and arming them and propping up Salafi Arabia to do the same] …

The United States and our allies are working together throughout the Middle East [to implement regime change, install puppet regimes?] to crush [or rather arm and fund] the loser terrorists …

From now on, our security interests will dictate the length and scope of military operations, not arbitrary benchmarks and timetables set up by politicians. …
We seek the de-escalation of the Syrian conflict [by invading and bombing and arming and funding and training and advising terrorists], and [prevent] a political solution that honors the will of the Syrian people. … Bashar al-Assad, including the [false accusation pretext of] use of chemical weapons … because it’s a much better policy to have Washington simply blow them up or sponsor a proxy jihadist regime change to kill them or make them destitute]. … That is why the United States carried out a [regime change proxy revolution by arming and sponsoring extremists] missile strike on the airbase that launched the attack. …
The United States is a compassionate nation [aggressive government] and has spent billions and billions of dollars [propping up regimes and sponsoring color revolutions] ….

For the cost of resettling one refugee in the United States, we can [create 500 more through our foreign policies] …

Major portions of the world are in conflict and some, in fact, are going to hell. [thanks in large part to a good healthy dosing of Washington’s foreign policy endeavors] …

the United States has stood against the corrupt and destabilizing regime in … My administration recently announced that we will not lift sanctions on the Cuban government … We have also imposed tough, calibrated sanctions on the socialist Maduro regime in Venezuela, which has brought a once thriving nation to the brink of total collapse. [So the way to fight socialism is an isolationist policy to deprive the people of any access to capitalism]. … We are prepared to take further action …

Our respect for sovereignty is [a complete joke?] also a call for action. …

The true question for the United Nations today, for people all over the world who hope for better lives for themselves and their children, is a basic one: Are we still patriots? Do we love our nations enough to protect their sovereignty and to take ownership of their futures? Do we revere them enough to defend their interests, preserve their cultures, and ensure a peaceful world for their citizens? [If so, it means exterminating the neocon-deep state-MIC coalition infesting Washington] …

09-22-2017, 03:52 AM
Excerpts of the Chinese Government Response to Trump's "Totally destroy North Korea" speech - from the Global Times publication. The response speaks for itself:

Trump’s UN address reduces hope of peace on Korean Peninsula (http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1067322.shtml)

"US President Donald Trump vowed to “totally destroy North Korea (http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1042932.shtml)” at his UN address Tuesday. This is not what one expects from a US president. …

it’s increasingly clear that pressure alone cannot address Pyongyang’s nuclear issue and actions should be taken to alleviate tensions on the peninsula. Vowing to “destroy” North Korea, Trump’s UN remarks dampened public hopes for the US to ease the situation.

Facts prove Pyongyang won’t yield to pressure. Pushing North Korea to its limit may eventually trigger a bloody war.

Chinese and South Koreans strongly oppose war. “Totally destroying North Korea” would bring an ecological disaster unbearable to Northeast Asia, and Northeast China, Shandong peninsula and South Korea would all be engulfed by nuclear fallout. Thus the US president, instead of boasting of military strength, should try to avoid such a war. …

The US would be extremely selfish if it cannot understand Beijing’s and Seoul’s wish to peacefully address the issue.

If a nuclear war broke out, that would be a crime against Chinese and South Koreans by Pyongyang and Washington.

Eliminating potential security threats by war is crazy in the 21st century. The US may have the capability to destroy North Korea, but a peaceful solution would be the real victory.

Washington should address the North Korean conundrum in a way that conforms to the interests of all human beings, instead of pressuring and even destroying Pyongyang at the sacrifice of neighboring countries.

Confrontation between Pyongyang and Washington has escalated to a degree that we have never seen before. If Washington is worried about national security while possessing an overwhelming military advantage, then Pyongyang will only feel even more insecure. If the US President cannot calm down, how will the North Korean leader exercise restraint?

Washington is too obsessed with its strength. Its elites hold the view that as long as the US applies pressure to the full, it can crush any will that confronts the US. But the geopolitical rule tells us that some changes cannot be forced by threat of war. If the core interest of the other party is touched upon, it will mount a desperate resistance.”

09-22-2017, 07:11 AM
Just think about how awful it would've been if Hillary had given that same speech.

09-22-2017, 07:49 AM
Trump is doing what Trump does: giving a starting point for the deal. This is always his filter. He knows no other way.

09-22-2017, 12:29 PM

Is the president as ignorant of the world as he displayed in this speech? Wow. Just wow. He speaks of respecting the sovereignty and independence of other nations yet threatens to invade and overthrow the leaders of nations that have not threatened us. Iran has not invaded another country in hundreds of years and they have been completely compliant with the Nuclear deal. Hezbollah is a result of Israel's illegal invasion of Lebanon in the 1980s; they are a political party in Lebanon and even the Christian Lebanon president has stated they work directly with the Lebanese military forces and he is thankful for them. Venezuela, seriously Mr. President? You're going to invade Venezuela next? What happened to "respecting the sovereignty of other nations"? How has Cuba threatened us? More sanctions on yet another country that has not threatened us? What happened to "America First" instead of being the policeman of the world? If you are talking about invading other countries due to their human rights abuses against their own people, how about looking at the U.S. criminal justice system which treats U.S. prisoners the way they are treated in 3rd world banana republics? How about looking at our ""allies"" in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Turkey whose rights abuses against their own populations far exceed Venezuela? Do you blame the North Korean government for clinging onto nuclear weapons after Gaddafi got rid of his weapons & yet was murdered by U.S. backed jihadists? No, Mr. President, there is no proof Assad used sarin gas against his own people, but there's plenty proof the U.S. military used white phosphorus and depleted uranium against the Syrians and Iraqis -- neither of which was any threat to the U.S. at all. What about the U.S. backed genocide against the Yemeni people? A country that has never threatened us, the humanitarian crisis there is larger by far than any country on earth right now due to the U.S. military backed war against the indigenous Houthi's who simply want political representation in a U.S. puppet state. What an arrogant buffoon you are Mr. President.

09-24-2017, 09:09 PM
"Respect National Sovereignty" Washington bombed Afghanistan 500 times (http://www.hangthebankers.com/president-trump-bombs-afghanistan-over-500-times/) last month:

"In the month of August, the US Air Force dropped more than 500 bombs in Afghanistan (http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/09/12/air-forces-monthly-bombing-campaign-afghanistan-5-year-high.html), which officials were quick to note was the single highest month of bombs dropped in five years, going all the way back to 2012."

09-24-2017, 09:12 PM
"Contempt for Other nations":

US Bombing Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria at Record Pace (http://news.antiwar.com/2017/09/19/us-bombing-iraq-afghanistan-and-syria-at-record-pace/)

"US airstrikes in Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan are all at multi-year highs, with the former two seeing their highest level of strikes in the ISIS war, and Afghanistan at its highest since 2012 (http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/09/18/u-s-bombs-falling-in-record-numbers-in-three-countries/). … "