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William Tell
09-20-2017, 09:45 AM
President Trump on Wednesday targeted Sen. Rand Paul (http://thehill.com/people/rand-paul) (R-Ky.) for being a "negative force" on health care.


"Rand Paul is a friend of mine but he is such a negative force when it comes to fixing healthcare. Graham-Cassidy Bill is GREAT! Ends Ocare!" he tweeted.


"I hope Republican Senators will vote for Graham-Cassidy and fulfill their promise to Repeal & Replace ObamaCare. Money direct to States!"

Rand Paul is a friend of mine but he is such a negative force when it comes to fixing healthcare. Graham-Cassidy Bill is GREAT! Ends Ocare!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 20, 2017 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/910476107287269376)
I hope Republican Senators will vote for Graham-Cassidy and fulfill their promise to Repeal & Replace ObamaCare. Money direct to States!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 20, 2017 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/910477734635286528)Paul has called the bill from Sens. Lindsey Graham (http://thehill.com/people/lindsey-graham) (R-S.C.) and Bill Cassidy (http://thehill.com/people/bill-cassidy) (R-La.) "ObamaCare lite" and said he wouldn't support it.


The Graham-Cassidy bill seeks to give more power to states by converting money currently spent on ObamaCare’s subsidies and Medicaid expansion into block grants for states.


Earlier this week, Paul expressed concern (http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/health-reform-implementation/351243-paul-worried-about-new-obamacare-repeal-bill) that the Republicans' latest attempt to repeal ObamaCare might pass.


“There's a big groundswell of people pushing for this,” Paul told reporters on Monday. “Two weeks ago, I’d have said zero [chance it’ll pass], but now I’m worried.”

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/351496-trump-rand-paul-negative-force-on-fixing-healthcare

nikcers
09-20-2017, 09:51 AM
Another president promising to "fix" healthcare thanks guys just what I always wanted.

William Tell
09-20-2017, 09:53 AM
Another president promising to "fix" healthcare thanks guys just what I always wanted.

STHU supporting Lindsey Graham over Ron Paul's son is brilliant 365D chess MAGA!

CaptUSA
09-20-2017, 10:01 AM
Seems to me, Rand is the only one working "Positively" towards anything.

The rest of them are just playing with their version of negatives. Oh well, looks like Trump and the GOP are going to own the disaster, now. How fun.

donnay
09-20-2017, 10:02 AM
I disagree with Trump here, this is Obamacare lite. I agree with Rand wholeheartedly to vote no on Graham-Cassidy Bill.

specsaregood
09-20-2017, 10:02 AM
STHU supporting Lindsey Graham over Ron Paul's son is brilliant 365D chess MAGA!

Not to mention taking the anchor of failure that is Obamacare hanging around the necks of the DNC and proudly laying it on the GOP. Its like they want to get crushed in the new few cycles just like the dems.

CaptUSA
09-20-2017, 10:07 AM
Not to mention taking the anchor of failure that is Obamacare hanging around the necks of the DNC and proudly laying it on the GOP. Its like they want to get crushed in the new few cycles just like the dems.

It's the political hot potato: to be passed to whatever party is in power>to ensure the other party gets good fundraising>to ensure they get the hot potato next>to ensure the cycle continues.

Brilliant plan... if you're a psychopath...

...or a politician.

TheCount
09-20-2017, 10:11 AM
Seems to be the opposite of what our resident Trump soothsayers said.

nikcers
09-20-2017, 10:11 AM
It's the political hot potato: to be passed to whatever party is in power>to ensure the other party gets good fundraising>to ensure they get the hot potato next>to ensure the cycle continues.

Brilliant plan... if you're a psychopath...

...or a politician.
Then this plan puts most of any political blame on the states like they do with public schools now. Which normally would be something you should blame on states but the federal policy and mandates and regulations overburden the state.

Brian4Liberty
09-20-2017, 11:23 AM
Default Trump: Rand Paul 'negative force' on fixing health care Graham-Cassidy Bill is GREAT!

That headline is one of the purposes of this bill. It's a trap. Graham and his behind the scenes advisers like Bill Kristol want to turn Rand into the bad guy, and once again, rehabilitate the reputation of McCain from his no vote on the repeal.

And if it does pass, they can claim victory, and they were the only ones who could do it. It's a win or win scenario for them.

Of course it's politics, not policy. This is a slight tweak, it's not a repeal, and it is not a replace.

Rand is thinking long term and in the best interest of the medical consumer. Trump and Graham are interested in short term political victories with no actual solutions or change.

dannno
09-20-2017, 11:27 AM
STHU supporting Lindsey Graham over Ron Paul's son is brilliant 365D chess MAGA!

Trump supporting the bill may turn out to be a good move. I can think of at least two reasons why. Anybody else?

Rand shouldn't support it, I certainly don't support it.

juleswin
09-20-2017, 11:31 AM
Come on people, we all know Trump is only going along with this tomfu*kery because the deep state is drugging the hell out of him. This is why, don't blame him, blame the deep state advisers he surrounded himself with for putting him in this position.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ18j5SYfns&t=206s

Do you guys really think Trump would support a healthcare bill written and promoted by anti Trumpers like Lindsey Graham without someone drugging him? I definitely don't think so :)

Suckers

The Northbreather
09-20-2017, 11:32 AM
The orange one has spoken.

Let it be so.

dannno
09-20-2017, 11:41 AM
Come on people, we all know Trump is only going along with this tomfu*kery because the deep state is drugging the hell out of him. This is why, don't blame him, blame the deep state advisers he surrounded himself with for putting him in this position.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ18j5SYfns&t=206s

Do you guys really think Trump would support a healthcare bill written and promoted by anti Trumpers like Lindsey Graham without someone drugging him? I definitely don't think so :)

Suckers

Ok, I guess that could be a third reason, but I can think of two other good reasons why Trump could be supporting the bill that are in our best interest.

dannno
09-20-2017, 11:43 AM
The orange one has spoken.

Let it be so.

Hint #1

When Trump wants something to happen, there is often resistance.


Hint #2

Have you EVER in your entire life heard Trump tweet out, "Me and this other guy are great friends, but he is totally screwing us over right now!" (Please cite examples)

Raginfridus
09-20-2017, 11:44 AM
Seems to me, Rand is the only one working "Positively" towards anything.

The rest of them are just playing with their version of negatives. Oh well, looks like Trump and the GOP are going to own the disaster, now. How fun.Its almost like Congress is a shell game: while the Majority keep us suspended, the Minority pinch our money.

https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohhwjMZivQkXGiMPS/giphy.gif

Raginfridus
09-20-2017, 12:08 PM
The orange one has spoken.

Let it be so.Oh my gawd, with the DUNE remake arriving in the next couple years, its time for the Orange Catholic Bible memes:

http://kindlemag.in/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/160721-trump-rapist-1050x700.png

Thou Shalt Not Make A President In The Likeness Of A Carrot

William Tell
09-20-2017, 12:22 PM
Trump supporting the bill may turn out to be a good move. I can think of at least two reasons why. Anybody else?

Rand shouldn't support it, I certainly don't support it.
And why the heck might it be good for Trump to support a bill that Rand shouldn't?:confused:

Is Trump calling Rand a negative force on healthcare also a good thing? And btw, when is Trump getting behind Rand's plan. Any updates on the obvs world of chess?

EBounding
09-20-2017, 12:30 PM
And why the heck might it be good for Trump to support a bill that Rand shouldn't?:confused:

Is Trump calling Rand a negative force on healthcare also a good thing? And btw, when is Trump getting behind Rand's plan. Any updates on the obvs world of chess?

It's good for Trump because Trump doesn't actually care about healthcare and just wants to look like an effective leader. I don't know how it's good for everyone else though.

dannno
09-20-2017, 12:32 PM
And why the heck might it be good for Trump to support a bill that Rand shouldn't?:confused:

Because the anti-Trump fervor is so high that politicians on the left are very weary of supporting anything that Trump supports.

If Trump came out against the bill, then Dems might start supporting it. By Trump supporting the bill, the Dems have to come out against it or they will look bad in front of their constituents.

So in addition to not getting Dem votes, this puts pressure on Republicans to pass the bill. If they can't, then it shows they are weak, and maybe they will get voted out in 2018 in favor of some better candidates. This is similar to my theory last time, that by supporting the bill he can fully place the blame on Paul Ryan later on and this will help get rid of Paul Ryan. My theory has not proven to be incorrect, I was hoping the timing would be sooner but if Paul Ryan can't get these bills through at some point it will be very easy to portray him as a failure.. But if Trump didn't support the bill, it would embolden Paul Ryan because he could come out and say he is fighting the President as well so it doesn't make him look as bad that it didn't pass.




Is Trump calling Rand a negative force on healthcare also a good thing? And btw, when is Trump getting behind Rand's plan. Any updates on the obvs world of chess?

I'm looking for another example of where Trump was so upset at someone who in the very same sentence he called a friend.

Sure, there are pro-Ron Paul tweets by Trump and anti-Ron Paul tweets by Trump, but those are usually years apart. It is not often when in the same sentence Trump condemns somebody while also saying what a great person they are. I just haven't seen much of a precedent for this, which should make you think that something might be up.

dannno
09-20-2017, 12:36 PM
It's good for Trump because Trump doesn't actually care about healthcare and just wants to look like an effective leader. I don't know how it's good for everyone else though.

Maybe because you are looking at it from the perspective that the first sentence you wrote is actually correct.

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09-20-2017, 12:38 PM
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NorthCarolinaLiberty
09-20-2017, 12:40 PM
Seems to be the opposite of what our resident Trump soothsayers said.

Thanks, Soros soothsayer!

Zippyjuan
09-20-2017, 12:51 PM
I disagree with Trump here, this is Obamacare lite. I agree with Rand wholeheartedly to vote no on Graham-Cassidy Bill.

Under Reconciliation rules (which is how they are trying to get it through), they can only try to change the parts of Obamacare which directly impact the budget- they can't use this tactic to get rid of the whole thing so "Obamacare Lite" is the best they can do. The other problem is that the Reconciliation Rule on Obamacare runs out on the 30th. After that, any bill will require at least 60 votes, instead of the 50 they can pass one with now. Time is running out. This is their last shot. (If they actually pass a new budget, they can try reconciliation sometime in the future again). There isn't time to get a Congressional Review of the impact the bill may have.

If only one other Senator joins Rand in voting no, nothing will be passed and Obamacare stay as it is.

TheTexan
09-20-2017, 12:54 PM
We have to pass a bill, or Republicans will lose seats in next cycle.

And we wouldnt want that, obviously.

William Tell
09-20-2017, 12:56 PM
We have to pass a bill, or Republicans will lose seats in next cycle.

And we wouldnt want that, obviously.

You sound subdued. It's not just a bill, it's a GREAT bill POTUS said so.

TheTexan
09-20-2017, 01:10 PM
You sound subdued. It's not just a bill, it's a GREAT bill POTUS said so.

Clearly you've never read Art of the Deal, every tweet is a negotiation and you have to read his tweets in that context.

This bill is just one chess move of many to get us closer to a truly Great free healthcare bill

NorthCarolinaLiberty
09-20-2017, 01:12 PM
Time is running out. This is their last shot.


LOL!

Zippyjuan
09-20-2017, 01:14 PM
LOL!

Do you think they can get 60 votes on a bill ten days or more from now when they can't get the 50 they need now?

William Tell
09-20-2017, 01:15 PM
This is their last shot.

Cut the bullshit. And look at the dates on these two articles, everybody.


Ryan: This is the last chance to repeal Obamacare


By KYLE CHENEY (http://www.politico.com/staff/kyle-cheney)
03/09/2017 12:56 PM EST


http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/paul-ryan-obamacare-repeal-last-chance-235877


Ryan: Graham-Cassidy 'best, last chance' to repeal ObamaCare

By Scott Wong (http://thehill.com/author/scott-wong) - 09/18/17 07:24 PM EDT http://thehill.com/homenews/house/351270-ryan-graham-cassidy-best-last-chance-to-repeal-obamacare

Swordsmyth
09-20-2017, 01:19 PM
Do you think they can get 60 votes on a bill ten days or more from now when they can't get the 50 they need now?

They can kill the filibuster any time they want.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
09-20-2017, 01:19 PM
Do you think they can get 60 votes on a bill ten days or more from now when they can't get the 50 they need now?

Do you think you could be any more dramatic?

Zippyjuan
09-20-2017, 01:21 PM
Cut the bull$#@!. And look at the dates on these two articles, everybody.


http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/paul-ryan-obamacare-repeal-last-chance-235877

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/351270-ryan-graham-cassidy-best-last-chance-to-repeal-obamacare

One date matters- that is September 30th, end of the fiscal year.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/deadline-for-fast-track-obamacare-repeal-bill-expires-sept-30/article/2633213


Deadline for fast track Obamacare repeal bill expires Sept. 30

Republicans have until Sept. 30 to repeal Obamacare with only 51 votes in the Senate under the current budget resolution, further complicating the GOP's attempts to try again after a failed attempt in late July.

The Senate Parliamentarian ruled on Friday that the procedural tool called reconciliation, which Republicans hoped to use to bypass a filibuster in the Senate, expires on Sept. 30. Reconciliation allows a Senate bill to be advanced with only 51 votes instead of the 60 votes that are usually needed.


The GOP passed a budget resolution back in January that sets up the instructions on how to pass a healthcare bill through reconciliation. The procedural tool has some restrictions for using the budget pathway, including that legislation must slightly reduce the deficit and include only items that impact budget and spending levels.

But that resolution and reconciliation instructions expire on Sept. 30 at the end of the federal fiscal year, which means the fast-track tool for passing Obamacare repeal also expires then.

To continue to use reconciliation past that deadline, Republicans would have to pass a new budget resolution after Sept. 30.

Zippyjuan
09-20-2017, 01:22 PM
They can kill the filibuster any time they want.

If they can get 60 votes to do so. Republicans would need ten Democrats to join them.

William Tell
09-20-2017, 01:22 PM
Do you think they can get 60 votes on a bill ten days or more from now when they can't get the 50 they need now?

That's not the question. The question is whether Graham's bill is the last and only chance to address Obamacare. The answer is clearly no. The establishment vowed they wouldn't come back to healthcare right after the last vote and here they are again already.

William Tell
09-20-2017, 01:24 PM
One date matters- that is September 30th, end of the fiscal year.




Republicans have until Sept. 30 to repeal Obamacare with only 51 votes in the Senate under the current budget resolution, further complicating the GOP's attempts to try again after a failed attempt in late July.


To continue to use reconciliation past that deadline, Republicans would have to pass a new budget resolution after Sept. 30.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/deadline-for-fast-track-obamacare-repeal-bill-expires-sept-30/article/2633213

Oh, the horror. What an impossible hurdle.

Zippyjuan
09-20-2017, 01:25 PM
That's not the question. The question is whether Graham's bill is the last and only chance to address Obamacare. The answer is clearly no. The establishment vowed they wouldn't come back to healthcare right after the last vote and here they are again already.

In theory, yes, they could pass a new bill after that. But after September 30th, they need to pick up ten Democrats to vote with them to do so. Not gonna happen. They can't get 50 votes right now. Think picking up ten more votes will be easy?

Swordsmyth
09-20-2017, 01:27 PM
If they can get 60 votes to do so. Republicans would need ten Democrats to join them.

No they wouldn't.

r3volution 3.0
09-20-2017, 01:39 PM
Regarding process, the GOP majority could at any time deploy the "nuclear option" and end the filibuster, permanently or just for a specific bill.

They don't because then they'd have to find another excuse for their conscious choice to not undertake any meaningful reforms.

The Northbreather
09-20-2017, 01:47 PM
Hint #1

When Trump wants something to happen, there is often resistance.


Hint #2

Have you EVER in your entire life heard Trump tweet out, "Me and this other guy are great friends, but he is totally screwing us over right now!" (Please cite examples)

So disparaging an honest senator for doing what's right by NOT going along with bad legislation is just some form of completely obvious rudimentary reverse psychology.

Gotcha.

Cmon broseph

dannno
09-20-2017, 01:51 PM
So disparaging an honest senator for doing what's right by NOT going along with bad legislation is just some form of completely obvious rudimentary reverse psychology.

Gotcha.

Cmon broseph

So can you answer Hint #2??

Trump tweets A LOT. About other people. ALL THE TIME.

Surely, after all those tweets, you can find Trump saying what a great friend of someone he is while talking about how they are screwing us all over, at the same time?

Otherwise, to me, this seems unprecedented and thus to judge it by it's face might not be the best way to think about it.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
09-20-2017, 01:52 PM
https://sep.yimg.com/ay/healthypetscom/crazy-dog-spinmeister-1.gif





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Zippyjuan
09-20-2017, 01:52 PM
Regarding process, the GOP majority could at any time deploy the "nuclear option" and end the filibuster, permanently or just for a specific bill.

They don't because then they'd have to find another excuse for their conscious choice to not undertake any meaningful reforms.

They are reluctant to get rid of the filibuster because they may want to have it in the future should they lose control at some point.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/331597-mcconnell-shoots-down-trumps-call-to-end-the-filibuster


McConnell shoots down Trump's call to end the filibuster

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is shooting down President Trump's push for Republicans to change the Senate's rules for blocking legislation.

Asked if Republicans would nix the 60-vote filibuster to allow legislation to pass by a simple majority, McConnell told reporters, "That will not happen."

"There is an overwhelming majority on a bipartisan basis not interested in changing the way the Senate operates on the legislative calendar" on legislation, McConnell said during a weekly press conference.

Trump tweeted on Tuesday morning that voters should either elect more Republicans or get rid of the 60-vote requirement needed for ending debate on legislation.

"The reason for the plan negotiated between the Republicans and Democrats is that we need 60 votes in the Senate which are not there! We either elect more Republican Senators in 2018 or change the rules now to 51%. Our country needs a good 'shutdown' in September to fix mess!" he wrote in a series of tweets.

But McConnell — who pledged last month to keep the filibuster — said the move would "fundamentally change the way the Senate has worked for a very long time. We're not going to do that."

Republicans currently have a 52-seat majority in the Senate, meaning under the current rules they need at least eight Democratic votes to move most legislation. If they went "nuclear" and changed the rules, they could pass legislation with 51 votes.

Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) echoed his GOP counterpart, noting that a majority of senators have backed keeping the higher 60-vote threshold.

"I think the idea of using the nuclear option for legislative stuff is pretty much dead," Schumer said.

There's been little public appetite among senators to nix the legislative filibuster in the wake of Republicans going "nuclear" to lower the threshold to a simple majority for Supreme Court nominees.

Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas), the No. 2 Senate Republican, defended the legislative filibuster after Trump's tweet.

"The rules have saved us from a lot of really bad policy. ... I know we all are into short-term gratification, but it's a real mistake, I think, from a legislative standpoint," he said.

r3volution 3.0
09-20-2017, 01:57 PM
They are reluctant to get rid of the filibuster because they may want to have it in the future should they lose control at some point.

So they say.

Swordsmyth
09-20-2017, 01:58 PM
They are reluctant to get rid of the filibuster because they may want to have it in the future should they lose control at some point.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/331597-mcconnell-shoots-down-trumps-call-to-end-the-filibuster

As if the Dems play by the rules?

Both sides love the filibuster because it gives them an excuse to sell out their voters, but the Dems break any rule they want when they really want something, the Repubs never do because they don't really want anything the Dems don't.

shakey1
09-20-2017, 02:09 PM
Graham-Cassidy... the antithesis of anything worth a $hit.

Swordsmyth
09-20-2017, 02:11 PM
Paul wasted no time in responding to Trump's accusation, and just moments later responded that "#GrahamCassidy is amnesty for Obamacare. It keeps it, it does not repeal it. I will keep working with the President for real repeal."

#GrahamCassidy (https://twitter.com/hashtag/GrahamCassidy?src=hash) is amnesty for Obamacare. It keeps it, it does not repeal it. I will keep working with the President for real repeal.
— Senator Rand Paul (@RandPaul) September 20, 2017 (https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/910478982046502912)
According to the Hill (http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/351496-trump-rand-paul-negative-force-on-fixing-healthcare), earlier this week, Paul expressed concern that the Republicans' latest attempt to repeal ObamaCare might pass.
“There's a big groundswell of people pushing for this,” Paul told Reporters on Monday. “Two weeks ago, I’d have said zero [chance it’ll pass], but now I’m worried.”
He said the bill "does not look, smell or even sound like repeal" and “I’m kind of surprised this has been resurrected because I don’t think it has been fully thought through." He also said the bill exists "mostly to take money from four Democratic states and redistribute it to Republican states."
However, just like during the last two failed attempts to repeal Obamacare, it will not be up to Paul but senators John McCain and Lisa Murkowski who will decide the fate of the Republicans latest ObamaCare repeal effort. The two were among the three Republicans, along with Sen. Susan Collins who sunk the last GOP effort to repeal ObamaCare.
With Paul saying he is voting no and Collins thought to be a likely opponent, the bill would need both McCain and Murkowski to vote yes to pass.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-20/trump-slams-rand-paul-negative-force-fixing-healthcare-paul-immediately-responds

euphemia
09-20-2017, 02:14 PM
Trump is going to deal. This is what he does.

Zippyjuan
09-20-2017, 02:15 PM
The House would also have to pass anything the Senate approves- and they would have to vote "as is"- under reconciliation rules they would be unable to change anything in it.

nikcers
09-20-2017, 02:19 PM
Hint #1

When Trump wants something to happen, there is often resistance.


Hint #2

Have you EVER in your entire life heard Trump tweet out, "Me and this other guy are great friends, but he is totally screwing us over right now!" (Please cite examples)
Great catch seems like after the Afghanistan push Trump still wants to get re elected and doesn't want to lose the Paul' vote. Ofcourse Rand Paul has been taking advantage of this by pushing liberty policies and ascribing them to "stuff he talked about with Trump in private". You ever wonder why Trump doesn't talk about liberty in public?

juleswin
09-20-2017, 02:27 PM
Trump is going to deal. This is what he does.

He is also known to scam good hearted trusting folks like you which can be seen with his Trump university scandal. This is the kind of deals he is good at, don't fall for it

r3volution 3.0
09-20-2017, 02:32 PM
Paul wasted no time in responding to Trump's accusation, and just moments later responded that "#GrahamCassidy is amnesty for Obamacare. It keeps it, it does not repeal it. I will keep working with the President for real repeal."
That's a good line. According to the Hill (http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/351496-trump-rand-paul-negative-force-on-fixing-healthcare), earlier this week, Paul expressed concern that the Republicans' latest attempt to repeal ObamaCare might pass.
“There's a big groundswell of people pushing for this,” Paul told Reporters on Monday. “Two weeks ago, I’d have said zero [chance it’ll pass], but now I’m worried.”
He said the bill "does not look, smell or even sound like repeal" and “I’m kind of surprised this has been resurrected because I don’t think it has been fully thought through." He also said the bill exists "mostly to take money from four Democratic states and redistribute it to Republican states."

Bad flashbacks of Commissar Roosevelt buying a permanent electoral majority with taxpayer money...

Other similarities: starting as vague populist, drifting gradually leftward as the economic problems he created/didn't fix got worse.


Trump is going to deal. This is what he does.

Really great, terrific, and wonderful deals, the best, I'm sure.

CaptUSA
09-20-2017, 05:54 PM
Because the anti-Trump fervor is so high that politicians on the left are very weary of supporting anything that Trump supports.

If Trump came out against the bill, then Dems might start supporting it. By Trump supporting the bill, the Dems have to come out against it or they will look bad in front of their constituents.

So in addition to not getting Dem votes, this puts pressure on Republicans to pass the bill. If they can't, then it shows they are weak, and maybe they will get voted out in 2018 in favor of some better candidates. This is similar to my theory last time, that by supporting the bill he can fully place the blame on Paul Ryan later on and this will help get rid of Paul Ryan. My theory has not proven to be incorrect, I was hoping the timing would be sooner but if Paul Ryan can't get these bills through at some point it will be very easy to portray him as a failure.. But if Trump didn't support the bill, it would embolden Paul Ryan because he could come out and say he is fighting the President as well so it doesn't make him look as bad that it didn't pass.




I'm looking for another example of where Trump was so upset at someone who in the very same sentence he called a friend.

Sure, there are pro-Ron Paul tweets by Trump and anti-Ron Paul tweets by Trump, but those are usually years apart. It is not often when in the same sentence Trump condemns somebody while also saying what a great person they are. I just haven't seen much of a precedent for this, which should make you think that something might be up.

LOL... Don't you ever get tired of this?! The mental gymnastics it takes to keep up the slobbering is impressive, I must say. Better hope you don't get lockjaw.

CaptUSA
09-20-2017, 05:55 PM
You ever wonder why Trump doesn't talk about liberty in public?

No. I never do. :(

enhanced_deficit
09-20-2017, 06:06 PM
I forgot if I had said to myself to hold criticism of Trumpster for 6 months or a year.. either way "loose canon" should not allow itself to be allied with neocons and return focus on alt-fakenews, Hillary, ISIS Founding fathers etc. DGPcare should go but Trump needs to once in a while get away from lazy analysis of complex situations.

Zippyjuan
09-20-2017, 07:03 PM
No. I never do. :(

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/16/ron-paul-calls-donald-trump-a-dangerous-authoritar/


Ron Paul calls Donald Trump a ‘dangerous’ authoritarian: ‘The opposite of a Libertarian’


Former Republican Rep. Ron Paul on Wednesday blasted GOP presidential hopeful Donald Trump as a “dangerous” authoritarian on a power trip who won’t value civil liberties the way a U.S. president should.

“I think he’s is a dangerous person,” saidMr. Paul, whose son, Sen. Rand Paul is running against Mr. Trump for the Republican presidential nomination.

“And a lot of people find him sort of funny, and love him, even Libertarian types,” Mr. Paul, who is now a registered Libertarian, lamented on Fox News Radio. “They like him because he’s so disruptive to the party system, and I enjoy that too. But I think he’s a man that if conditions deteriorate, which they can — see I work on the assumption that the world is no more stable than Greece, and if those conditions come, people want to be told what to do: ‘And I know what the answer is, and I’ll do this, and I am the man to this.’

“And [Mr. Trump] comes across this very well, and people listen to him, and I believe he may be raising white horses someplace and he’s going to ride in,” Mr. Paul continued. “Because he is almost the opposite of a Libertarian, because it’s not like ‘I want to give you your freedom and your liberty to run your life as you choose. Your civil liberties are absolutely yours, you can’t hurt anybody, it’s your own money you can spend it any way you want.’ But he sounds like the person, ‘I know the answers and I’m going to do this and I’ve done this, I’ve done this, this and this.’”

“An authoritarian?” Fox’s Alan Colmes asked.

“He’s an authoritarian and that’s the way he claims he made all his money. So I see that as dangerous,” Mr. Paul responded.

oyarde
09-20-2017, 07:12 PM
Has anyone read this fucking bill ?

Zippyjuan
09-20-2017, 07:17 PM
Has anyone read this $#@!ing bill ?

Like the last time, they are trying to rush it though without giving anybody the chance to.

EBounding
09-22-2017, 10:52 AM
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Swordsmyth
09-22-2017, 12:38 PM
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Dump is making preparations for 2020 I see.

Swordsmyth
09-22-2017, 01:04 PM
GOP health bill all but dead; McCain again deals the blow
Sen. John McCain declared his opposition Friday to the GOP's last-ditch effort to repeal and replace "Obamacare," dealing a likely death blow to the legislation and, perhaps, to the Republican Party's years of vows to kill the program."I cannot in good conscience vote for the Graham-Cassidy proposal," McCain said in a statement, referring to the bill by Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Bill Cassidy of Louisiana.

More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-lashes-gop-opponents-health-care-bill-110647029--politics.html